{"conversationCode":"243-012","tapeNumber":243,"conversationNumber":12,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-243-012","startDateTime":"1973-02-24T23:10:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-24T23:16:00.000Z","startDate":"24-Feb-1973","startTime":"6:10 PM","endDate":"24-Feb-1973","endTime":"6:16 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On February 24, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Aspen Lodge study at Camp David from 6:10 pm to 6:16 pm. 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(President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"243-011","nextCode":"243-013","transcript":[{"start":2.41,"end":10.08,"text":"In New York?"},{"start":19.59,"end":23.55,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":23.57,"end":28.07,"text":"Well, how do you find things up there?"},{"start":28.09,"end":31.02,"text":"Well, I was really so, frankly..."},{"start":32.03,"end":49.57,"text":"It was great, but I mean, at times to do that, you know, by this old Hirsch is a son of a bitch."},{"start":49.81,"end":53.25,"text":"You know, he's probably a communist agent."},{"start":54.75,"end":58.68,"text":"And I just thought it was shocking that New York Times would run that."},{"start":58.7,"end":59.32,"text":"What do you think?"},{"start":59.34,"end":59.64,"text":"I mean..."},{"start":60.12,"end":64.01,"text":"He was beating it, having it right out of the full cloth."},{"start":65.83,"end":68.51,"text":"But didn't you really think the POWs did well?"},{"start":69.07,"end":75.86,"text":"They smashed it, didn't they?"},{"start":77.41,"end":81.21,"text":"Perfect."},{"start":86.14,"end":88.46,"text":"Bill Hurst had told me about it, I saw him yesterday."},{"start":92.47,"end":99.33,"text":"Tell me about China."},{"start":100.37,"end":102.71,"text":"Well, we'll take it in together."},{"start":103.49,"end":111.01,"text":"What a situation with regard to, I think, our Laos camp."},{"start":111.03,"end":112.91,"text":"The strike seemed to have been quite effective, wasn't it?"},{"start":126.46,"end":130.4,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":130.42,"end":130.86,"text":"That's good."},{"start":132.47,"end":136.75,"text":"Well, I'll tell you, that's the only thing that we, you know, I'll be how it is."},{"start":136.77,"end":139.28,"text":"We, we, and it's not, we get away with these."},{"start":139.29,"end":144,"text":"I mean, it's the network people try to whine and bitch around or a bit, but nobody cares."},{"start":144.8,"end":145.6,"text":"I don't give one damn."},{"start":147.81,"end":151.31,"text":"But if you know one of those executives, you, you, they don't care."},{"start":151.37,"end":151.79,"text":"They don't care."},{"start":152.33,"end":174.9,"text":"because really the last time they all basically got off the land, we saw it all."},{"start":174.92,"end":175.96,"text":"Now this time they're rather wandering off the land."},{"start":175.98,"end":176.14,"text":"Oh, yes."},{"start":176.16,"end":176.92,"text":"Oh, good, good."},{"start":193.2,"end":212.91,"text":"Well, we can... You're going to meet tomorrow, and I'll always be polite."},{"start":212.93,"end":215.19,"text":"You don't know what went on with their meeting in Staten Island."},{"start":215.21,"end":217.31,"text":"Well, their line couldn't possibly be harder than the Israelis' line."},{"start":217.33,"end":220.88,"text":"I mean, the Israelis, Henry, you've got to realize, haven't budged even a third of an inch."},{"start":221.4,"end":236.37,"text":"These people at least have said they'll recognize, you know, they'll make a peace treaty."},{"start":236.39,"end":237.17,"text":"Yeah, I know, I know."},{"start":237.37,"end":241.65,"text":"But being objective, the Israelis haven't moved."},{"start":241.67,"end":244.3,"text":"And they're being objective."},{"start":244.32,"end":250.44,"text":"I mean, the way they've handled this airplane thing is just, I mean, it's worse than the way Laird handled the bombing of that goddamn French embassy."},{"start":250.91,"end":251.79,"text":"Unbelievable."},{"start":264.27,"end":265.11,"text":"I know."},{"start":267.01,"end":272.22,"text":"Well, that's right."},{"start":272.24,"end":272.34,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":272.36,"end":274.01,"text":"All right, I understand."},{"start":274.03,"end":279.11,"text":"Well, that's their deal this year, and then it's next year ours, but this is our year to really do something, so..."},{"start":280.02,"end":286.55,"text":"Okay, well, hope you enjoy it."},{"start":286.57,"end":304.83,"text":"What are you going to say tonight?"},{"start":304.85,"end":305.19,"text":"Is it a good one?"},{"start":305.21,"end":305.61,"text":"That would be good."},{"start":305.63,"end":305.94,"text":"Okay."},{"start":305.95,"end":306.36,"text":"Okay, great."},{"start":306.38,"end":308.22,"text":"Give her our best, will you?"},{"start":308.24,"end":308.34,"text":"Okay."},{"start":308.36,"end":308.46,"text":"Okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger met to discuss current press coverage and ongoing geopolitical tensions. The two men reviewed the positive reception of returning American POWs, noted the effectiveness of recent military strikes in Laos, and expressed frustration with critical media reports. 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