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I can't clear it.

I talked to Tim and not me, we were reaching out just to get his hand up.

And Bill said that Ellinger had been good on the war and soft on Russia, you know.

But he's been pretty well with us on the war and he thought it was being very good.

But he thinks you ought to have him in all of them.

You ought to make up the big six and include him.

But we always have Russell, so let's invite him.

on the basis of pro tem, which would preclude having to have Mayon.

Well, President pro tem, he's the same rank as Speaker.

President pro tem is an important line of command through the country.

President Dye, the Vice President Dye, is speaking next to President pro tem this time.

Tell Timmons to go ahead and add Senator Allender, the President wants, to the 7 o'clock meeting.

Okay.

I'm sorry.

Henry, if you're waiting for anybody in there, Henry, just keep reading the press.

I'm going to go on.

I heard a goth dance on our way to the cabin.

It was all very interesting.

It was nice working with you all.

It was great to see you all.

It was so hard.

Totally.

It was anything.

It was about your body.

Fish.

I mean, Robsfeld, he was saying, you know, fish are cool.

You care.

I don't really know where to go.

You guys in here, you know, so, you know, everything.

I mean,

I bet if you think they'd call you or something and they'd say, just call the president if you wish him well.

The one thing I want to tell you, though, is there's a reason, and I just don't know.

I haven't had any conversation with him.

They may have called him.

Well, it gets back to the fact that...

First, I want to organize the hardcore House and Senate guys so we've got a few guys that are going to cheer and not just whine and bitch and say what they want to do.

The second point is that on the cabinet and on the Congress tonight, there's just not going to be any call from Congress.

Congress in the current state is eight.

There's often, when you think about that sort of thing, you don't get any message on it.

Well, I should recall the Congress back anyway.

I mean, I'm not going through it.

I don't like this business of these people that jump on.

Maybe they're the only ones that they think the thing is going on.

People that couldn't stand up for our government, they think we're going to do that much without the truth.

We may not make it.

I don't blame anybody for this.

It's just the kind of men we've got, the fucking goddamn weak, selfish bastards.

I don't know why the hell we have to find Democrats.

They'll speak up.

But the rest are weak.

I saw Stans last night.

You know, Stans and stuff.

He's a strong man.

I can't think of anything except what the hell's going to happen to the parts of Congress.

I do not think, let me put it this way, I don't think we're going to get any kind of a spirit from Governor O'Neill when I've got Matt Cameron.

Basically, we pick Conley for one, and we go with him.

And actually, make sure we know that he doesn't have to call us.

Arrest Scrooge.

I mean, let them all do their jobs.

Roger does his job.

Larry does his job.

Christian does his job.

And all the rest.

Roger does before he was in here today, but normally before a speech, before a press conference, and always afterwards, he'll call over to me and I generally go to him.

Well, he was thoughtful.

He never wants to bother you.

He knows hard.

Good luck.

Yeah, for sure.

Well, maybe he's one, but Henry's point was, he said, you know, of course, Henry was referring to no businessman, no, he had been over to see me, and he said, oh, my God, I'm always on this.

Oh, my God, he's right.

He's right in the business community.

All these assholes have been done things wrong here and now.

You know, we just don't know.

We don't know.

We just, other than volunteers,

My point is that, I think that Adam raised the point, and his point was that where are we going to get the Spirit?

He says you always have to wait until you do something in the name of God.

Are we up against, you know, if we want to fight and make you drive and make you overreact?

If you do this, that's just cold turkey.

I'm not going to talk to anybody.

I'm just going to go with it.

And I'm sort of up for it.

I don't want to do it.

You know, I don't think maybe the contact you said is really tough.

They were all making themselves short of themselves.

You know what I'm saying?

That's how it is.

No, not now.

It's whether you're right or wrong.

That's what it really is.

I don't mean dumb oil.

I mean smart oil.

A guy that's smart and says, by God, I want to stick with him because he's the man.

Now, that's a hell of an important thing, isn't it?

They are so good.

It's hard to just keep looking at it.

Your words are so lovely.

Everybody's got his words.

So, all of them.

As I work, you've got three big men in the captain.

Mitchell's a big man.

Conway's a big man.

Ray's a big man.

Any other big men in the captain.

He just has the capability of it, but he's not as small.

The bad thing is, he's great.

He has the brains.

and he doesn't really have the guts, I mean, he doesn't.

He's got to be for someone else, but he had to make a decision.

He had the basis of what would go best for John.

And Mitchell doesn't have the, the public isn't enough of a public man.

You never know.

What's he gonna resign for?

and see if he resigns because he's sick or tired of the job or decides to do something else or decides to own a television network and so forth.

That would be great if you could get somebody to buy a CBS and have Agnew run it.

If you wanted Agnew to resign.

First of all, he would be perfectly happy to.

Secondly, I think he's got the opportunity

One time, for instance, with Bob Hope, and going to the television area, and Hope's playing in that cable TV business and all that, so you could pay to get people into that area.

So, going to the cable TV business.

And I'll change my view about it, and I told him, you see, you wouldn't hurt a lot of people.

I got people to come down on their side, and it's all helpful.

And let's try to take more people over to help Hope, if they're not helping.

That's what the business model was in with Hope.

I want you to see, here's the way, the only way we're doing the right thing is to get the common law on the vice president to do it in the factory way, which is the vice president's vice president.

I'm the law.

Eggman resigned as his vice president.

I, as president, am the law upon the vice president.

What's the vice president?

Check the, uh, check the, uh, uh, check the new, uh,

That's the way the law was written.

You had to find someone to find anybody present.

President appoints him.

How the hell else are you going to get him?

And then the Congress approves him.

Jesus, if he's on there, if he's a part of his body, if he's a part of his body, if he's a part of his body, if he's a part of his body, if he's a part of his body, if he's a part of his body,

I think that's, I mean, you see, if you dump him and then try to get him to nominate a Democrat, first it's hard to come, but if I appointed him, and then after I appointed him, yeah.

John, did that constitutional amendment on presidential succession, that's the path, I mean, it's now in the law, isn't it?

Yeah.

Would you, what is the situation, because I had to, on my daughter's paper, and I wanted to find out, is the, in the case of the, I know what happens in the case of the president, but in the case of the, in the case of the vice president dies, does the president appoint and approve of the conference?

That's who I'm,

Why don't you go check the memo and call me back?

I want to know what happens in the event the Vice President either is incapacitated or resigned.

I mean, that's a really good question.

It would be interesting to know whether that's my recollection or not.

I just don't hear this.

that the president appoints, because I recall when they asked me what ought to be done, remember, I was, of course, a party secretary, so this thing was all directed.

I said, I couldn't see any way to do it, but the president, the vice president, had to be the president's man.

See, remember, they had bids with him at the Congress elections, and I said, no, no, the president's got to appoint him.

Fine, call me back.

So, he's in his big trill for the month.

That's it.

That's that.

I think he's got some ideas of his own.

I think he would find him a very willing to co-conspirators.

I have to give him the court.

I have to promise him the court.

You would be able to keep the tournament, that's my promise.

Very much in favor of you keeping the tournament.

It would raise Poland's power in the country, of course.

He recognized that was one of those.

He wouldn't want to go through the departure of his vice president.

I think he has found that he likes, and I'm sure this is true, that Bryce says that he likes Bob Nowding, the Frank Sinatra, Bob Hope, the big one, the big money.

He likes it.

The fast crowd and the golf course and the pretty houses.

Yeah.

I intend to have no problem moving into that because we didn't, you know, move out and into a, you know, if you wanted to call it a law practice or if you wanted to go into a corporate thing of some kind, you could make yourself a damn good bundle.

Stay public in attacking the media, which you'd like to do.

If you had it all for us, we'd have a figure out there to present.

There would be no question that you could have speeches with you or anything at all.

The only problem is, the only problem is we're going to get an audience.

Well, they say you would, but I just wondered.

I just wondered.

You can get a sound for anything like it.

Let me tell you that.

I thought you were going to have to go through that.

Let me tell you what I think is the problem.

We've got to get Hoover out before he's forced out.

Now, with Agnew, we need to goddamn bloody a battle.

Some people say, well, have a bloody battle about him, not about yourself.

But it'll reflect on us.

And then we'll have a hell of a battle about Agnew and the vice president and all that sort of thing.

He still runs at 50% approval or something.

I know he does.

I know he does, but his opposition

The hatred of me is strong.

The hatred of him is violent.

Now that's just the difference, if you see my point.

And the hatred of me is not, I'm quite aware of it.

Even if I got the war over with, the hatred of him, if I said, look, and I don't give a damn, but people aren't going to hate me.

If we get the war over with, they're still going to hate his guts.

Because he doesn't, you know, the dislike of you is by people we can't get over no matter what.

The hatred of Agnes is partially winnable.

Winnable by me, right?

Yeah.

A lot of people who will not vote for you, I honestly believe now, will not vote for you if actually you're vice president.

I think so too.

The poll may not show that up either.

But I think by the time they make the record, because they go, just like Stevenson tried to do to Eisenhower.

They'd go all out on that.

But you see, they didn't work it with me.

Because basically, I was too done and clever for him.

And also, if I was not, I was not that much of a life changer.

And frankly, let's put it, most of the stuff on me was made up, basically, with anger.

He's asked for some of it.

I agree with him 80% of the time.

Goddamn the other 20% of the time, I know that.

And also, if you're in a second term situation, people do think of a possible death of a president.

A lot of presidents have died when they're 61, 62, 63.

That's a unique, at the age where people are committed, I'd quite call it, the IDR has targeted them in 64.

They'll look at the man, no matter what your health record is, and they know that the bitchy job is this, and they know what a man's been through, and they're going to set him.

The actuarials, the rest, well, you know, they all know what the rest rule is.

And there's always that possibility.

I came to where the idea of the economy, of course, is that he would be able to hold on to most of the people who would be disturbed by the dumping.

And he would make a hell of a lot of money.

And he would hold all the sound.

Except if you're Republican.

But Conway's gaining a lot.

Every kind of Conway goes out.

It's about if you get him to meet the press or not, if that works.

I actually want to go to some point.

Well, Roger still may do it.

I do the paperwork.

But where it might be now is not to have him go on.

It's a waste of time.

We've got time.

client on one of them, they had Scott on another, and the head of Blue Cross is scheduled to be on Meet the Crest, and it seems to me that's exactly what you want on a group, and they're being on competition.

And it's Easter Sunday, they're going to be in the audience anyway.

And all he's doing is making a little list for the Monday paper and her and you can do that and look better.

I didn't want to put, you know, if the government was going on or something, I'd be worth trying to preempt it and not be able to perform it.

But it's better off not to have anyone get into it.

So it's like a good cross-battle.

How many?

Three for today?

You're welcome.

Yeah, 576, 22 million shares.

That's good.

That's the high I get.

I'm sure it was when we started discussing this last week.

Any profits, huh?

I guess I probably would, because we've got a discount.

I think there's not many discounts.

The point is, there's many of them.

They read eight.

Yeah.

And they'll be disappointed.

Yep.

Yeah.

Hello.

Yeah, John.

I'm good, I guess, John.

Thank you.

That was exactly right.

I know it takes a majority, or both houses of Congress.

It's a majority.

Hey, you've got to see what I mean.

That's the way to handle it, man.

The hell of a bombshell.

But about, as I go through this situation, the only thing that can be done if we're out.

Let's say you have the summit the first part of September.

You've got a lot of stuff, right?

You want to travel.

Well, let's say you do.

Then you come back somewhere in early October or something.

The vice president comes over at the end of the year.

You're in on this matter a good time.

Cool.

on December 33rd, or as of January 20th, is an awkward day.

I understand for, uh, in order to avoid any infusion and embarrassment on the sub-county, and because he is moving into another field that he wants to get into now, and because he wants to serve you in your campaign for re-election as a private citizen.

I think he, I don't think he'd work this, you know, together for himself.

The way it would have to be done in Samoa, like in Parkinson's, you'd want to sit down with him, and, you know, go through the battle, and you want to, you know, press him through, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then

What he has been through to date will be nothing compared to what they have been through before this convention.

I don't believe it.

That's one heartbeat from the presidency.

Your man is 60, he's 59, there will be people who will be 60 when he starts the term.

He has a high cholesterol, he'll have to make up all those bullshit, you know what I mean?

He's fighting for Trump quite hopefully.

But you know what I mean, we're Democrats.

They'll say, is this, do you want this man?

They'll run against that.

You're sure as hell.

If I look good, they'll run against that man.

See my point?

And they don't pull us.

No dragons.

They did that with Eisenhower.

Nothing could have done that, but the point was that I was so... Another thing, too, is if I am more closely identified with Eisenhower than Agnew is with Nixon, I look good.

You know what I mean?

And everybody thinks that he's sort of off on his own anyway, that he would be different.

Right?

Whereas in my case, I was hardly already full of Eisenhower.

You know, younger, a guy who's all kinds of precedent, especially with strong presidents, for changing vice presidents.

And then after a good time, after he's been in a while, well, he'd have to make the decision for himself.

After a while, he'd say, yes, I feel like I deserve to be a Republican.

He probably doesn't, but I should be a leader in the administration of the Republican Party.

and a whole lot of bird Democrats, and that's pretty political, and I'm sure all of us are drowning in them, and I know you're doing reasonably well.

I don't expect it ever to be that way.

It's just going to be always a good fighting chance.

But if it's only a fighting chance, you've got to come back and fight it through.

It's kind of a little foot.

You're going to have some foot somewhere.

You're going to have to fight it after.

Well, that's just because of this grand old cold that you took.

It was really a surprise to me.

I thought we would go up.

My guess was that I wasn't going to tell you what I thought.

I already picked a number.

I thought we would go 41.

I thought we would go up, but I was figuring, I decided how it would break out.

I didn't, I thought the colds would stay at 36.

No, 36.

And maybe go up a couple of points.

But I thought that we would go up about six points.

48, 38 was the number I put down.

That's what I expected.

Now this thing, it would have been quite a blow.

Quite a blow up.

I didn't think we'd go back to 51.

or 50, or wherever we were.

Oh, another thing we haven't had in my thought, nothing in my mind, 31 also included the last weekend of mouse.

There's nothing else we've had.

See, we didn't poll after the last weekend of mouse.

We called it.

Gallup poll was stated.

His 50-37 was the weekend.

And four of them, right?

So the 41, the drop from 51, our 51 also, was taken two weeks before the last weekend in law.

It was taken two weeks, a week before Gallup, right?

So we were 51-36 in our poll.

In between, we had the band weekend in law.

We only had the Cali thing, which dropped us to 41.

So I assume that the bad weekend in Laos probably knocked us down three or four points in any event.

I thought the Cali probably knocked us the rest of the way.

The Cali would serve us up some.

The Cali thing, I thought their four problems may have been...

It just has to have an office.

In fact, that's all there is to it.

Because it washed out the last weekend in Laos.

You get my point?

Peter.

Yeah?

Yeah.

He did.

You write that down?

Of course you have.

53, 32.

My back doesn't have any written in it.

Because of the law.

Because of what?

I think it must have been the way they asked the question.

If they asked the question, you approved the county, then you approved the president.

That's a bad way to hit it.

If they asked the question, oh, you approved that, that's a good shit.

What was the number?

53.

Well, there'd be more than one.

I have a hundred others.

Every part of the week.

Three days.

Yeah.

I remember tonight, this is probably going to be no call.

I don't know.

Yeah.

But the rest of you just take the calls and be nice to them.

Not too damn nice to the captain, if you don't mind.

What time is the first meeting tomorrow morning?

K7.

Yeah.

Cancel in the women's briefing.

That's in the women's briefing?

Yeah.

And that's over at the house, so you can just stay over there.

Okay, well I will not see you then tomorrow morning.

Okay, good luck.

Bye, good luck.

Yeah, be a good one.

I think you've got, you've got that, that close, I think it's just gonna be about to do now.

All right.

The commentators are going to bang it by the fact that it wasn't much.

It was disappointing.

That's what all the Democrats are going to say and some Republicans are going to say.

So our guys, we've got any guys left, but we have a few.

And I've got to get up and say, right, we're delaying the presidency.

Right, we'll speed back the presidency.

That's all.

Right?

Yes, sir.

Will do.