{"conversationCode":"248-010","tapeNumber":248,"conversationNumber":10,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-248-010","startDateTime":"1971-04-14T20:07:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-14T21:20:00.000Z","startDate":"14-Apr-1971","startTime":"3:07 PM","endDate":"14-Apr-1971","endTime":"4:20 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On April 14, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:07 pm and 4:20 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 248-010 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 248-10\n\nDate: April 14, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 3:07 pm and 4:20 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with an unknown person [Ronald L. Ziegler?]\n\n       Polls\n           -Approval of Vietnam War policy\n                -Timing\n                -George H. Gallup\n           -Lieutenant William L. Calley, Jr.\n                -Trial\n           -Approval of war policy","filename":["248-010.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:08:05","tapeEnd":"00:09:50","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"248-009","nextCode":"248-011","transcript":[{"start":0.21,"end":8.16,"text":"I'd like to see the approval of the war."},{"start":8.56,"end":15.38,"text":"I'd like to see the approval of the war."},{"start":18.49,"end":25.05,"text":"I'd like to see the approval of the war."},{"start":27.9,"end":31.72,"text":"And they, uh, when they're gone, I think they're not here."},{"start":31.82,"end":32.58,"text":"They're from March."},{"start":32.6,"end":35.3,"text":"They're going to say these are April crimes."},{"start":35.38,"end":38.54,"text":"That's perfectly all right."},{"start":38.56,"end":43.18,"text":"It doesn't, what I meant is, uh, to repeat the story that we're going around."},{"start":43.24,"end":51.46,"text":"I see, I just think that, uh, not always, you know, not, just the war we're in is probably where it's going to be."},{"start":51.5,"end":57.2,"text":"Um, and, uh, we don't need to do that anymore."},{"start":57.92,"end":66.03,"text":"Jeff, I think, given what we haven't worked up, maybe we should work something up for the government, which covers the trial fees."},{"start":66.13,"end":73.39,"text":"And this latest, this one, the revival and approval of the war, apparently, I don't know if that would be a good idea."},{"start":73.43,"end":75.81,"text":"I don't know if Bill could handle that."},{"start":75.95,"end":79.56,"text":"I don't know if those guys would share the conscious goals."},{"start":79.64,"end":82.08,"text":"I don't know if Bill could share those."},{"start":87.18,"end":90.32,"text":"One, two, three, four."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler discuss the political fallout and public perception surrounding the Vietnam War policy and the recent trial of Lieutenant William L. Calley, Jr. The President expresses interest in analyzing polling data, particularly Gallup results, to gauge public approval of the war. They further deliberate on the logistics of releasing polling information and address potential administrative support regarding legal costs related to the Calley trial.","topics":["Vietnam War","William L. Calley Jr.","Public opinion polls","George Gallup","War policy","Legal fees"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T11:36:58.258Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam-war","william-l-calley-jr","public-opinion-polls","george-gallup","war-policy","legal-fees"],"audioDurationSec":91,"audioFiles":[{"file":"248-010.mp3","bytes":3627549,"durationSec":90.55,"bitrate":320479,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.695Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:10.770Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/248-010.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/248-010","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/248/conversation-248-010","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}