Conversation 248-016

TapeTape 248StartWednesday, April 14, 1971 at 4:20 PMEndWednesday, April 14, 1971 at 5:10 PMTape start time00:22:34Tape end time01:12:33ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Kissinger, Henry A.;  Ziegler, Ronald L.Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On April 14, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:20 pm to 5:10 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 248-016 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 248-16

Date: April 14, 1971
Time: 4:20 pm - 5:10 pm

Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger

     Kissinger’s meeting with [Arnold] Eric Sevareid
          -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
          -Howard K. Smith’s views
          -State Department
          -President’s public statements
          -Vietnam
                -Political considerations
                -Effect on 1972 elections
                      -Hubert H. Humphrey and Edmund S. Muskie
                -President’s policies

     Cambodia
         -1970 election
         -Possible effect on 1972 elections
         -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
         -Media coverage
         -PRC
         -General Alexander M. Haig, Jr.
              -Clark MacGregor
         -Media reaction to President’s speech
              -Washington Star
              -Press coverage

     PRC negotiations
         -North Vietnam
         -North Korea
         -Embargo on US fuel oil
         -Visa requirements
         -Currency restrictions
         -Export licenses
         -Coordinating committee
         -Topics
              -Under Secretary of State
         -Chou En-lai’s statement
         -US-PRC relations

     Prisoners of War [POWs]

           -Americans visiting Paris
                -Possible discussions with North Vietnam
           -US policy
           -Negotiations

     Kissinger’s meeting with Sevareid
          -Time-Life reaction
          -Development of President’s PRC policy
                -Public statements
                -President’s article
                -Visit to Romania
                -Highlights
                      -Taiwan
                      -PRC
          -Press relations
                -Possible “Bill of Rights”
          -President’s visit to Yugoslavia
          -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
          -Political considerations
          -Liberals
                -PRC
                -Vietnam
                -Laos and Cambodia

     PRC
           -State Department
           -Recognition issue
                 -Possible effect
           -President’s policies
           -USSR

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[National Security]
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     People’s Republic of China [PRC]

          -United Soviet Socialist Republic [USSR]

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     People’s Republic of China [PRC]
          -United Soviet Socialist Republic [USSR]
               -Possible action
               -US-USSR relations
                     -Unknown Soviet diplomat
                     -Middle East

[Ronald L. Ziegler talked with the President between 4:33 and 4:36 pm]

[Conversation No. 248-16A]

[See Conversation No. 42-38]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Muskie’s statement on Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
         -Surveillance of Earth Day
         -Donald H. Rumsfeld
         -Possible candidacy
         -Richard M. Helms
         -1972 elections
               -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy and Humphrey

     Vietnam
          -Campaign issue
          -USSR
              -Possible summit meeting

     Foreign relations
          -Vietnam

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[National Security]
[248-016-w003]
[Duration: 16s]

     Foreign relations
          -Vietnam
                -Intelligence

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     Foreign relations
          -Vietnam
                -Paris Peace Talks
                -Cease fire
          -Middle East

     Kissinger’s relations with the press
          -Meeting with Sevareid
          -Administration critics
          -Sevareid
          -San Clemente
          -Laos
          -Vietnam
                -Sevareid’s views
                -Negotiations

     USSR
         -US-USSR negotiations

     PRC
           -Taiwan
           -US relations

     Vietnam
          -Unknown man’s reaction
          -President’s speech on Southeast Asia
          -Joseph W. and Stewart J. O. Alsop
          -Robert S. McNamara
          -Pierre E. Trudeau
          -Cambodia

                -President’s policies
                -Timing
           -Laotian incursion
           -Cambodia
                -President’s conversation with Victor Lasky

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     Vietnam
          -Jordan and Cuba
               -The President’s opinion

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     Vietnam
          -Kissinger’s conversation with Sevareid
          -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT] negotiations

     US-USSR relations
         -SALT negotiations
         -Summit meeting
         -Lyndon B. Johnson
              -Glassboro Summit
              -Bombing halt
         -J. William Fulbright
              -Senate delegation
         -Johnson’s bombing halt
         -PRC-US relations
              -Chou

     PRC
           -US relations
           -Chou

USSR
    -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
    -SALT
          -Timing
          -State Department
    -Possible summit meeting
    -SALT
    -Paris negotiations
          -Timing
    -Kissinger’s conversations with Dobrynin
          -North Vietnam
          -Negotiations
          -Laos

Vietnam
     -MacGregor
     -Congress
          -Robert P. Griffin and the Michigan editors
     -MacGregor and Haig

Polls
        -Results
        -President’s Vietnam speech
        -Press
        -Laos
        -President’s speech on Vietnam, November 3, 1969
        -Anti-intellectuals
        -McNamara’s address to Democratic group

Vietnam negotiations
     -Kissinger’s conversation with McGeorge Bundy
     -President’s policies
     -Timing
     -Korea
     -George S. McGovern and Humphrey
     -Troop withdrawals
     -President’s options
           -Second team
     -Possible settlement
     -PRC
     -Troop levels

           -Possible North Vietnamese position
           -POWs
           -General Nguyen Van Thieu
           -South Vietnam
           -Cease fire
           -President’s conversation with John B. Connally, April 13, 1971
           -Timing
           -Timing
           -Wilbur D. Mills
           -Possible effects on 1972 campaign
           -South Vietnam
           -Possible US options
           -MacGregor and William P. Rogers

     PRC
           -Significance
           -Reporters’ meeting with President
           -Ping-pong team
           -Reporters’ meeting with President

Kissinger left at 5:10 pm

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Do you remember the free trip network?
Guys, Howard spent his tooth.
What, Howard Smith?
He'd been in China.
Not a lover.
But Howard Smith believes we should, uh, well, let's separate if you thought he'd actually been in China.
And I, I told him to put it in for me, and I, I said, I said, that's what I meant.
I hope we don't.
I hope we don't.
They've got a big lot of slack here about us, the White House trying to collect.
We did a state of those, but I suppose that wasn't the motto of the state.
The state's already laid the groundwork for that, and we've got to defend ourselves, huh?
Well, I just said, I said, they did better than us.
They probably asked that question anyway.
They did.
They spent a month at that, but it was very carefully prepared.
And I went through all the public statements you had made.
I would be slowly able to make a list.
So now he's reduced.
Basically, he was wailing again.
Why can't we have the war with the United People?
Why does the President want to hold the political stratosphere to war?
Now, what the hell was that?
That wasn't their worry last week.
They wanted to speak to you.
The political creditor.
What are they talking about?
They think you're going to do it.
They're afraid we might negotiate.
And then the monkeys and the hunters and the rest will be out there in a row.
What do you think?
Is that it?
That's it.
The whole time we're trying to get it political, right?
I told you that.
I told you that.
And that's the one thing I think we should be very clear about.
Our decisions on Vietnam are not in any way concerned about the election.
I told you that.
I told you that.
We want it to end as soon as it can.
I told you that.
I told you that.
I told you that.
I told you that.
I told you that.
every possibility of .
Now, it was an easy way to get him, but that's .
When they are on a trip in trouble, that's their line, and they talk unity.
And if they say I got you on their army, it's like last October.
Now, he's talking unity.
Oh, I had a really fun time on China.
You know, I'm very close to you, but I'd like you to tell me some of the things that you said.
What have I said?
Were you able to make any of the call lines to get to my date?
Yes.
I had to inject him because I wanted to build him up a little bit.
Well, that's true.
And that's very great.
Well, they were...
They didn't have heart attacks about doing things.
The president, I didn't hear a word from him.
I was asked to speak about his speech.
One of them was called over to see whether they could tell if it was restricted or if it was the only thing that happened.
If Norton had told him, Norton had to tell him.
You know, it really is funny.
Ironically.
I don't think that the leaves hurt particularly.
I don't know if you've seen it.
I don't know if you've seen it.
No matter who it is, it's not a problem.
We're going to be working on ships.
We've picked these items.
We're putting one guard down.
They are about ships, Chinese ships.
Other than those going to North Korea and some other places we can buy American fuel.
That's so unlikely.
But we still have the right to refuse to lease us all the majors that they can now apply for before they were all managed to be rejected.
What's the third one?
A system of currency restriction.
Because they have no exports, so they... Then it would be all this area.
Then we have asked for a list of the 30 days of months to be licensed for export.
Then we have... That's what I'm saying.
Yes.
Well, that's from who we asked.
We found anti-Asian to steal it.
There is a committee that deals with these kinds of issues.
We have a smoker's pool of items, Mr. President.
We have to pick up the undersecretaries and they send us a huge smoker's pool.
We put them into three groups.
This group is to get out of this one.
And we have another group, which is going to be on the third floor, so we can do four, like, bigger four months.
If you want to, that depends a bit on how you're doing.
So, you know, we've got a lot of work.
But you were invited to make that statement to the Americans.
It is the beginning of friendship.
They haven't said that in all of the Chinese people.
No, he hasn't.
No, he hasn't.
That's what I have to talk to him.
He says this is the beginning of friendship between China and the United States.
And this will have to support the majority of our people on both sides.
He's a buddy of mine.
Mr. President, today, for example, there's a group of people that arrived in Paris to talk about POWs in North Virginia.
to request an appointment.
And five minutes later, they can't.
It usually takes two weeks.
And it's a good thing.
It's a good thing, I think, for people to make it something other than, I don't know, everything.
And if we don't, either we don't, we do, or we don't.
But, I mean, we make it something that's not usually my style.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Now I feel fairly confident to, uh...
I wanted the demonstrations to be the contest, but...
Demonstrations, I don't know, but I think I got back to, uh...
If there's any, uh... No mood of separation, but...
You mean to really get away with it?
The same line of time, life, or poison, as you said, you used that line with the two of them.
Why doesn't he join with us?
But that's always the defense is true.
They did that in October, you're right.
When they have you and they think they have you in trouble, you don't give a word about it.
But the deadline you just mentioned in a very good way.
Well, I told him this.
I told him that there'd be several times we'd have to do that.
We'd have to do all this with great care and preparation.
And I said, well, that would be a perfect statement.
You would do an article.
Then you would visit.
You would make a visit.
I expect you know they don't have one.
Yeah, but still, he doesn't know that they're not in these meetings.
Then the reference of the People's Republic of China, which the Secretary of the World would acknowledge, if the test was closed, the last test, the people who would report everything, you know, things like that.
Then the Secretary of the State, who was deadly enough to attempt a press conference with what she said,
He knows damn well.
He said, well, you
Are you accusing us of being untruthful?
Well, in our reporting, I said, I'm not accusing you of being untruthful.
I'm just going to keep going.
Good.
I think I want the true letter, Mr. Hanselman.
Now, I'm going to show you his move.
He says, why don't you agree to work out a civil right?
If you vote for the deal, you won't attack us.
We will give you a fair break.
I'm going to come back to my area.
But, uh, shut up.
Interesting.
The whole move was different than I read.
Oh, I was sure of that.
You're right.
You're right.
So I gave you my analysis of why I thought that Sylvia's fall might have plagued you with the idea of having to get involved in events.
Well, you've got to remember it's basically political, and they will try to find some way to stick to it.
They, uh...
This idea was basically, Mr. President, that they had last week, who was just, who was just reading for a little more time.
That's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just, that's just,
Six weeks ago was the China, all we had achieved was to bring China into the inter-China war.
We remember for weeks they had an article on how our Laos operation had brought China in.
Anything to feed it up.
I think one of the tips that all the Chinese might have, or what is about to be done, I think they ought to have in mind that you've been present for a long time.
Thank you very much.
The communists, the liberals, not the extremists, but the communists have a correct explanation.
The liberals, they don't understand the communists.
They think they're crazy and good.
The liberals just don't understand.
In this day and age, I was having an orgasm.
because of the atmosphere of goodwill that's being created.
The reason you got involved, you didn't come to China, is because you played a hard, purposeful, patrols game.
The fact is that you were not doing it for us.
And if we didn't, for example, right after that meeting, where they all came in there and said, let's recognize Constitution, I would have not recognized what it did.
If we'd announced that then, the Chinese would have, would have tried that.
And we're not going to do it now.
I think one of your greatest strengths is that time and again,
I just don't see how what else to do.
Except they can send you some special support in Chinese.
I'll tell you what that means.
Then we'll sabotage any chance that the government sends you.
We can do that, Mr. Hawthorne.
I can.
It's the only chance they've got.
They know that?
Oh, yes.
Now, this fellow will fight it, too.
Well, I could turn...
I mean, I could use a smart cell.
Well, if you had such a smart cell, this policy would go there, I'm sure.
He said, I don't want any closet that people just throw in front of him, please, because he can get debris down on the ground.
He can get enough of them because they're working to bring it to us down.
So they can't just make any crockers in the area.
They've got to have them.
They confront us in the Middle East, but let's wait and see.
If they want to confront us, let's wait and see, but I'm not sure.
Can you say it again?
I'd say that.
That's right.
That's right.
You have to go on.
Well, as long as you can.
I think that that must be, now he's squealing about the FBI conducting surveillance on last year's birthday.
Now what in the name of God was that?
I don't think, frankly, I think most of the people in the FBI should survey on last year's birthday.
President, my impression of that fund last night was that they're cheating.
David's life must even have a better chance than to lead his day.
His day?
Yeah.
Even the two people who said that he'd get it on the basis that he's the best compromise candidate.
Nobody said he's well qualified.
Helms was there, too.
He said that he's the worst candidate before him.
He is.
And I don't know.
There may be a race that I gave you.
It has to work.
Well, let's just take that in stride.
Let's get these others to have a few big wins.
And the problem is, we'll be met with a couple of problems.
Coming to the other point, I mean, some writers have heard the indication that you should use the Soviet culture in Washington.
I'm not crazy.
Craig will give me insurance.
He's there.
He knows God damn well he is.
And since there, but he was, he wasn't on the offensive at this time.
He wasn't.
I mean, the difference between sampling, the press always treats me disrespectful, but I can't.
No, they want you.
They want to talk to you again.
And also, I do have this, I think it's typical of the press.
But in San Clemente, I was made to say, when I was speaking to him in Laos last week, I was doing it, you know, with emotion, with convincing him for the sake of the country, and we had to stick together.
This week, the State House of the United States, they're blaming why they had turned out.
Oh, he said he didn't want us to listen to him?
We've got this thing now.
It's very well.
We could just speed up if we can.
I don't know how we can speed it up unless they're going to have it.
We've got to speed it up.
We need to come off of the burnouts.
We've got to do that.
We've got to do that.
We've got to do that.
We've got to do that.
We've got to do that.
Well, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
You have lost enough authority, the Chinese, to not have played with you, particularly the Chinese.
The thing is, the Chinese understand you a hell of a lot better.
They understand who you are, where you are, however you calculate.
They don't understand that undermining of the authority of the church is a disaster for the country.
But I had the impression that it's much less than that.
You know, you just don't.
He would have come to the television and told himself.
And that's very wrong.
That's wrong.
But as it turned out, I think that they just said to me, and I think they, I think the very fact that none of that was true.
Also, something else that's embarrassing to me, embarrassing to me, let's see if this is correct.
What is it?
It was always up to yourself to say, would I do that?
Remember when I called out a couple of canons?
Trudeau always, when he was in trouble, later told some people, I don't know, that I was involved.
And these people, they listen.
They'll treat them with respect.
That's why if they fly out of the dome, give them a damn inch.
I think, Mr. President, the mistake you made in October was all due respect, not disrespect, but not disrespect.
Absolutely.
Too many of them worked their way back, and all the candidates, and all the candidates.
And here they say, certainly, they're trying to kill you and kill the country and drop it.
Totally wrong.
Yeah, two weeks ago.
So, you know, we were all in an awkward position.
See, that saved us both.
Yeah, well, you know, you didn't expect it.
We haven't moved there for other reasons, and I think we're totally elated.
We have July 1st, and that's Washington.
We've got July 1st.
Frankly, the October thing was not necessary.
We just wanted to try to get whatever we could draw up until they realized that they knocked us all hard in.
So that's the way we should be.
which is in the present public mind.
Whatever we want to say about it, we know it's not available.
But the television needed to be.
It needed to be.
It had a dramatic effect.
And also going into Laos, you know, not going to Laos, because the people there.
That's what I think.
But I think they hope this also in the future.
Just like Cambodia.
I told her, I told her last year, you know, it's not going to work.
It's not going to work.
Definitely.
Never.
I mean, can't buy anything.
And I said, I sent a quote, and I said, it's going to blow.
Actually, children was a beautiful operation for the children.
It was a very good operation.
And so was people.
It was a good operation.
We won't get credit until we can lay it right.
But the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh,
No one gave this fly history an idea.
I said, now, I don't tell you, but I better look at it.
We had moved to the position of all those that were the most extreme, 32, 68.
And all that gets us is a little fly study further ahead.
But he had no real fly history.
If we get one more success,
They're going to treat me as I'm against the way they did, and then they're not going to just disappear from the ground.
They're going to kill me.
And that's because that's not the way it is.
And it's taking a lot to be done.
And I think they're going to have a good time with that.
It's all about what they should be.
And it gets over and it's something.
And it's all going to come.
And it's all going to come together.
Actually, I mean, well, it's all going to come together.
for example, they're going to try if you can.
Another thing that they're going to try without any question is that full-prime will say, take a long summer vacation.
Never.
We're not there to negotiate.
That's the point.
If anything comes up, we are not willing to negotiate the treaty.
Well, you should go with a very small group.
A small group can't help Congress for some reason.
I thought it was everything for some reason.
Well, why the hell should they go?
They say, well, because of the election coming up and this and that, we should go.
Did they ever invite me?
Did Johnson invite you to come over here and negotiate the bombing all day long?
They didn't have anybody.
I mean, they didn't invite anybody.
But they didn't write about any of that.
Let's talk about the bombing halt.
The bombing halt on the last day of his term wasn't a bombing camp.
He had warned us of it.
But he didn't do a goddamn thing.
He had not a goddamn thing to say about it.
I don't even know.
I was against the bombing halt.
You see what I mean?
I will read them.
If there ever comes a time when we have a chance.
If you think things are quivering around here, I'm not sure they're quivering.
I don't know.
I don't think so either.
Because they did it.
I mean, this, the fact that we have these, these trade things today is a true and lying thing.
It's not just coming out of their minds.
And the Chinese are paying a price.
Spain has the apostle of revolutionary vision.
Yes, their cause, and of revolutionary purity.
Now, when true and lying care being about friendship with the United States a week before a public demonstration in the United States, what the hell are the Maoists here going to do?
and they wouldn't have, the Chinese wouldn't have done that if they told you what it is.
They just wouldn't have built it in Vietnam.
That's what the people in Vietnam do.
There's one magic place over there, I don't know if there's a place there.
Clayford Bridge and stuff.
I don't know anything about this place.
Now when we find out, I'm hoping we'll find out.
President, I'm not going to let him fiddle with me.
I have played a hard game with him.
I'm going to tell him that it's a good thing.
I'm going to give him a good thing.
Then I'm going to say, we cannot send him a change of letters.
I'm sold.
He's a great gentleman.
I'm going to give him a good thing.
He has to do it.
And I will, uh, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,
We get that.
Well, we may have to go to the summit, but that's all.
I think we will.
Oh, yes.
I think we should.
Yeah.
I think we ought to try for two weeks to get sold.
Yeah.
If we can't get it by the end of this month, then I think we should go within 100 years.
Yeah.
Now, I'm trying to figure it out.
If anything, we should break with regard to get that thing going for the next 10 days.
As soon as you get an answer on that, you should go to Paris.
Oh, yes.
I think you should go to Paris the moment you get an answer and open the check.
We don't even need an opinion on that.
As soon as I open the check, we all do.
Yes.
I think you should go to Paris knowing what the situation is.
And to bring them on a couple of occasions, as you say, is they were... Oh, they have told us that they wanted to... That the Soviets had...
The Soviets had sent them all the messages.
They brought me, he brought me two formal messages from them all.
I gave them this thinking out loud idea that they didn't spell out the proposal they were going to make, but I said...
I said, if we can separate the military from the political issues, we might be able then to arrange deadlines and so forth.
And I said, what I can't understand is why they have never talked to me any different from what they talked in public.
Here I have direct access to the president.
They can't talk to me.
Who am I talking to?
The answer was, they're willing to talk again.
I didn't think I should do it.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no, no.
yeah yeah yeah
We'll see whether there will be more, if they're not impressed.
Plus, we're talking about positive people.
People on Tuesdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays, on Thursdays,
There, of course, we watched on our own.
We were on the side of the boat once.
And I think what we did was publish things that had an effect on others.
It had a different effect.
It had an effect.
It had a different effect on the nation.
I'm surprised.
The November 3rd speech caused such an emotional wave that we hate it.
And this speech, when people started thinking about it, they are proud of their president, who stands for something.
The American people, his mother, the people of Louisville.
And the fact that he was good for you, that he didn't yield.
And the intellectuals, because they are such godlike people.
He's a much greater respecter.
When McNamara can say, before the Democratic group, he will get elected, of course, more than he deserves to get elected.
He says he deserves it.
Yeah.
That was a shock.
Well, here is old Kennedy.
He didn't say why he deserves it.
Well, because he's definitely a member of the Democratic Party.
I think he's encouraging you a lot.
He was the one that said it.
I told you this.
I don't have any date in mind.
The date moves.
The date will depend upon what the situation is next.
If we can cool this off, I think we have the best chance we've ever had of mining in the first half.
It shows that they like the ocean.
Yes, absolutely.
Gladly less than 50-50, but that's Korea.
It is Korea.
I don't see what's in it for them, because supposing they hold out until McGovern gets elected.
Or they can get four hundred.
Four hundred.
Let's say they wait to get elected.
By that time, you'll be down to $40,000.
What the hell can they have for us for two more years?
What can they have for 40,000 troops?
It's a deal they're not present in our service.
There's no telling what you'll do to them.
They may set foes by hanging on.
Remember, that is the one K.F.
I've always put in.
He said he had never been conscious of not wanting to be in his office.
That's true.
He's the prisoner of the day.
They are scared to death of what I would do in a second.
It's no goddamn well.
Mr. President, that's why I tell you to turn that around and say that's what they've got to say.
If you get a summit, and if you get a breakthrough in China, if the economy is up, you can have 40,000 troops in the economy.
That won't be easy.
40,000 things you'll run into.
I don't care.
Nobody yesterday at that table said, let us go.
Let us suppose they make this offer.
The way I see that scenario, I didn't do it, but I'd say, look, 319, 72.
and the immediate return of all our prisoners.
And, of course, if you want to talk about the other infiltrations, if you will, about that group that you came up with.
Now, let us suppose that now said, oh, no, we won't do that.
We'll do it, provided we withdraw our children.
All right.
All right.
That, I just, let me tell you, probably made a funny question.
It's very practical.
Why would we wait?
What I'm saying to you is this.
They have this hanging in there.
July is a pretty bad, what we've done and they've done.
Try to make a deal now in May.
I say July 1st.
I bargain with them.
Fall 1st, December, January 1st, the 3rd of July 1st, that's not a bad deal.
Then, if they turn that way,
That is my view, that in the record, we haven't announced, no, but we have to announce the vote of Donald and stuff.
Otherwise, it would be, it would be better not to be giving them a deadline.
They refuse to, they want to attack our people, but we've got to, we've got to.
How would you say it?
We've got to announce the vote of Donald.
Yes, now then, if we do it unilaterally, you know, the two of them stand about the same number, because we won't get much, but something will be related to that.
Well, first of all, I'm going to ask you to do a little intervention.
I'm going to ask you to do a little intervention.
I'm going to ask you to do a little intervention.
I'm going to ask you to do a little intervention.
I don't think, I think the decision of how we play the end game from November on, we can wait until we see where we are.
I'm telling you that, oh, I understand that.
I'm just saying to you, let's not, you know, think in our own minds of the moment of truth really for us.
I mean, I don't want, I don't want that hanging over in the primary period and everything else.
I don't want that, you know, they don't want that on the timeline.
So that it's in it, so that it is, so that we've got rid of it before the political year began.
I'm trying to get them to talk about it.
I'm trying to get them to talk about it.
I think so.
I think so.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
See, but not the main part.
They are not getting anybody else.
I agree.
Definitely not.
That's all.
That must certainly be the dramatic way.
That's the funny story.