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Oh, good, good.

Right, good, good.

Well, all right, finally, we've got off the campaign trail.

Well, we've been on and done.

We've done a board on it, to be fair, to keep that version of it on there.

No, we had 300, one in Delray Beach, and one in... All day long.

Delray.

With God Almighty, not able to make it today, and over in the midday, you see.

Yeah, right.

We've got a little summer today.

I got the John Google fundraiser.

Yeah.

He was there.

Hey, there.

I had a meeting with Chicago last night.

Listen to that one.

Yeah.

San Francisco and Houston.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can go.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

They don't want you to go there.

They're going to be careful of us.

They don't want you to go there.

Well, I don't think that, who doesn't mean that?

An old lady started to pray, something might happen.

Make it happen.

I sure can see that as a problem.

Yeah.

They might just deliberately try to make the hours look bad because they're very smart.

But they have to heal.

They've all got to play that game, but there's not no reason we've got to play our own.

Oh, no, Mr. Cole's under the rule of the United States.

But again, because a place like Kansas City is where I am.

It doesn't look at all the same.

Yeah, thank you.

We'll get together in July.

That's what I'm saying.

I think you're right.

You should get them all a nice little hearing.

And if I don't, we're going to do a little kind of convention.

I mean, it's very important for us to not do it in a conventional way.

It's horrible to rank and all that kind of stuff.

This needs to be published.

Right after Labor Day.

Labor Day.

And then go right into the campaign.

Well, maybe.

Maybe.

We're not sure that you want to campaign that long.

If you don't go campaign.

But the campaign.

The campaign can start.

And then right after Labor Day.

You can take a good time and go on.

It's been between Labor Day and when school starts.

TV audience is about twice as big as it is in Auburn.

TV audience is horrible.

All the people in Summertime here don't want to come.

They go half as big in Summertime.

This should be a TV event.

I just keep that strictly under your hat.

That'll knock out some of your cities.

Right after Labor Day, when we got a little bit of time to figure out Labor Day, it was before we got to Labor Day.

So it doesn't have that.

You know, if you don't have a, well, I told you, we're trying to get started.

We always, we had an offer on the list of putting, I don't know, so I talked to Henry Kitts, and he said,

and kind of follow this kind of experience and use the legislation to support the growing objectives and start talking about technology that is very good and necessary to get in on some of these other things.

So my conclusion is very, very sure.

We've got to take the advantage of it.

It's one thing if people come to you after eating and say, oh, that's fine, if you want to come to work,

It sounds good.

I simply do it in terms of whatever you need to have a reasonable support.

I'm talking about Congress.

I have to be careful.

Another way to do it would be, what I suggest, to call it a letter.

A letter that's written.

I don't know how a lot of people sign letters.

He had one that wasn't too bad.

We talked about nine months after the prison.

He asked how long, he asked Laird logistically, how long it would take, if you decided today to get out, how long would it take to get all your troops out?

Laird said six months or nine.

So he said, okay, let's have a resolution that we will withdraw all U.S. forces within a nine-month date, within nine months after the date that all U.S. prisoners are released.

It's a pretty safe resolution.

They're going to release the prisoners, so, well...

The great point you see is very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,

It's moving very fast.

The question is, let's suppose, for example, let's suppose we get it back to the model center.

Okay.

Let's suppose we pay that off.

First of all, we were out of time.

And then in July, we had to take it on.

But we're coming to just over 11 and a half years, I think.

Well, that's another thing, this kind of resolution would be very helpful there.

You mentioned that both other things may happen, may happen here.

I can just assure you that through this proposal, and if there's, there ain't no time for anything in the middle.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The thing really is, if you're in that field, I mean, I know, I know.

The Y don't matter with us, or it's like Swain, you know, now they're upset he's been here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They came out with a good statement the other day that we are, we are one of the wisest groups of young people.

But let me say this, that on the wisest end, we can only say that that is the, that is the top priority that we've got.

I mean, if you look at the parents and many other young people, a whole hell of a lot of other things.

Just don't feel, don't be too damn sure that they've learned anything.

Put yourself in the mercy of God.

There's a figure that I didn't have.

to tell you that it's really pretty interesting, which is that in asking if they, you know, since the proposal has been made to Congress to require the U.S. government to bring home all U.S. troops before the end of this year, would you favor the withdrawal of all U.S. troops by the end of 1971, even if it meant a communist takeover of South Vietnam?

57% no, 27% yes, 63%.

There's the issue.

Not of the people, but a common stakeholder.

The point is, we've got to put that one people on the back of the Democrats.

They got us.

I think another thing, you could be a law firm in the Korean party.

You could say, look here, they got us into this war, and Nixon's getting us out.

They got us into the Korean war, and Eisenhower got us out.

They got us into this war.

We're using your clothes.

You're having to account for the people.

That's right.

You know what?

The jury opposed those who got us into the war.

Very good.

The other one on the same thing was, would you favor the withdrawal of U.S. troops by the end of 71, even if the threat to the lives and safety of U.S. POWs started in North Vietnam?

71% no and 12% yes.

So it's six to one.

Opposed?

We're going to start putting in the record of their deeds.

And that was when the war was being escalated.

That was everything.

And incidentally,

I knew this time, too, that you laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up, laid up

Not that they can't lay this on the Johnson.

We didn't send anybody.

And I think it's a hell of a strong, strong pitch.

I see you're kind of silly when you see it.

And when Mark went to NBC, he got to see one of the big ones.

NBC.

One of the big ones.

NBC ran the time, too.

Now, they wrote a nasty letter with a bit of text that Hanson was going to show in the last movie.

He was showing a movie.

And he was playing Chuck E. Sheehan in that.

Who did write the letter to you?

Bush.

Yeah, he said it.

Mm-hmm.

What kind of a picture do you call it when you put the two together?

Composite?

Composite.

It wasn't any composite.

No, no, no.

It was just all that I knew.

Yes.

I watched the party.

It went on for six hours.

It was pretty rough.

It was rough.

In fact, we came back to the bridge and took the interstate and put them on film.

And they should be open now.

They're going to have to be open.

I mean, it's on Sunday on Sunday in the Pentagon.

We don't think so.

They just took that as a part of the position, you know, so that the DPS is trying to get a hand over the Fulbright.

No, no.

They have a marshal, you know, the Captain James on there.

Yeah.

Yeah, great.

Great.

That is damn good for the Captain James.

That's what the officers are selling.

I don't know.

That's damn right.

Put a prime general on there.

Kick him.

But I think what she's trying to do now is...

Yes, that's it.

Does that go out?

Well, that's how I've already got that around, too.

Well, the ORC's going to put out a release, as I understand it, tomorrow, and then as soon as they put out a release, we can get the prosecutor to make a statement.

And they're going to make a statement and get a statement.

The main point is all the congressmen, all the senators, you see, and congressmen and senators, I've heard of them, I've heard of them, I've heard of them, and they know that they are not going to cooperate, you know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying?

Thank you very much.

and we can get our prisoners back, and we get all the Americans out.

We are in total American withdrawal.

We want all our prisoners returned, and we want that withdrawal accomplished just as soon as South Vietnam can avoid one another.

And not one American boy will be there one day longer than I find it necessary to accomplish anything.

And I think the real crisis is we get down to zero casualties, you know, in the numbers in Vietnam, where zero casualties are near zero.

We can't say what they are.

I don't want you to know what they are.

I don't want you to investigate.

These guys, we've got them right where we want them.

We've got Husky out there, we've got Humphrey out there, we've got Cade out there, and we've got all that school, and we've got our Republicans out there, and we've got our schools, because we've got to take it all on, because we've got to be non-partisan, taking on our critics once again, because in the end, we've got to be winning every son of a bitch, you understand?

Including Republicans.

Your colleague, Hanson, he just said, I want to hear, he said, you know, it's going to work out all right.

And the replication of it, where are they going to go?

They're deadlining.

They're deadlining every week?

I think everybody wants a deadline.

We can't even set a deadline.

We can't even adjourn a Senate at a fixed time.

They want you to go to the war on the 15th of April.

We can't go to the war on the 15th of April.

I don't know if that's the case.

I just wonder if we're having some success with the conservatives.

Given tough speeches, not trying to insult the Democrats, pushing the tough, and then you get some response, and you take all the lists of those who go to the Declaration of War.

And now it turns on the other way, because people forget.

Take a look at the young daughter.

My daughter, remember, she's 16.

She's there after the Candidate Center third time that year.

And so we sit down and ask all these questions as soon as we can forget.

That's good.

Take them off of you.

And we've got them off, and we're bringing them out.

Who the hell's bringing them out?

Whose country has you?

We've got 300 a week.

This week, it's 41.

I don't know how much money is coming out.

It'll come down to how you reach this summer, and we'll...

It doesn't matter if the body is a such thing as it might be pushing too hard, it's already pushing, it's already pushing, you know, that must be enough to be able to, you know, to overhelp people, right?

I don't think we were able to do that, but I'm, I have my respect for, I mean, every, almost every speaker you get is a pretty tough speech, you know, or even the Vietnam War, which I think is, you know, the slang thing now.

We take them off.

I would speak constantly if I started what the president is doing to bring us more than that.

We reduce the cash use that we're bringing.

We're implementing a plan that is ending the power of involvement and at the same time

that's what they care about.

You're still in that conversation.

If you ask a person, Nicole, do you favor a communist state over South Vietnam, they'll say no.

But we make a mistake, we keep fighting on their ground.

They keep putting it, we're talking about defeat in Vietnam.

That's not, the point is not defeat in Vietnam.

The point is a communist takeover, which is a totally different thing.

We're not trying to get big.

It will be in the end, years ahead.

The very main thing is if you can constantly hammer home that idea that these people

The president is ending this war in a way that will avoid a communist state of order.

These are critics.

They would end the war.

But then they would take the responsibility of a communist state of order.

I don't think we can.

I don't think they'll put it out there.

A whole series of questions.

Yeah.

But the main thing is, too, it's really not better for our own information.

It's better for us to know.

It's a damn good thing for us to know.

You can't figure these things out for yourself.

For yourself.

But you see the reason.

If you put it out, then these bastards will climb off of that.

They'll climb right away.

If they don't, oh, I want that one.

But Gallup was never pulled.

Gallup was never pulled.

Now Harrison was pulled.

They always pose just the simple question, do you favor a pull out of Vietnam?

That's right.

Anybody.

You can put it under any conditions.

It's a problem if you don't mind.

I don't mind whether that happens.

You said you favor a pull out of Vietnam.

I say, yeah.

But if you say you favor a pull out of Vietnam, it's a risk for our prisoners.

They say, no.

You know, if you go to favor a pull out of Vietnam, it will result in a communist takeover.

I say, no, this is so true.

That is the key point.

Well, I don't know.

I don't know.

We've got to do that now.

I don't know.

Let's look for something we can do.

We've got Hughes, Poulsen, Ali, Botts.

And Chapman King, of course, is very good.

Lynn Osagre had a second edition on the series as well.

There's something like Sun Giving, don't you think?

All right.

Anything like that.

Give us again.

Let's look at each.

Maybe there's something else there.

You might send it to Keith.

Yeah, right.

I don't know if we're still pushing it.

That's our advantage on the mallet is you're not more involved.

I think Bob's right in writing the war issue, probably, from his viewpoint, because you can't write the economy thing yet.

You've got to give it a little more time.

It's coming along, the economy thing.

You've got to give it.

You're going to ask me about it.

The figures are pretty good for the first quarter.

Retail sales, automobiles, housing.

First quarter, this is the first quarter, biggest stock market gain.

And it breaks it down.

The economy is going to be good, period.

We're on the way.

I think on the war issue, here we are.

Here is the party that got us in the war.

And now they're calling for an American.

They're very, very, very trying to.

They have on the first place only one commander-in-chief in the war.

We were out and we supported, you know, we didn't, we didn't fly a second.

We didn't wipe away Johnson because that's a goddamn thing, which, you know, we were out running around, cutting on and on and on, and we supported it.

And it wasn't a matter of, as I told these Democratic leaders, I said, no, I won't take responsibility.

And in the war, getting into prison, and avoiding Congress, too.

But if you take responsibility, wait, by resolution or otherwise,

that you have to take the blame to get .

Okay, once you see, I think that is, that is pretty goddamn cold turkey, what they already said.

They take the blame, they take the responsibility.

And, put it this way, blame, whatever you use, you use this on Stevenson,

How can we trust those who got us into war to get us out of war?

That's what he looks at.

We didn't get a thing.

We're actually getting out.

We're getting out of the war.

We cannot trust those who got us into the war to get us out of the war.

It's not the truth, but it's got to be true.

I mean, I make a lot of, the kind of, I can't call it an SOB, but I'll have to get him on.

And really, the way it was structured, I'll give you a question.

You imagine a man, the president, says to the president, like you would say in the 1960s,

I agreed against it, but Johnson wouldn't let me do it.

And that's, and so he wouldn't let me do it.

And Muskie said, well, I agreed against the war all the time, but I didn't send you something.

So we called in, we called in, but then Michael had slept through the war, and that's how he had it.

Muskie slept through the war, he was fast, and he read against it in 65, so he would have slept through it.

Do you remember our inspectors in Philadelphia, the young Jewish, they came by this evening,

He wants to do that, and he can.

Pennsylvania.

He's in our campaign.

He's ready to go.

He's a better one for me.

I think he is good.

He's a better one for the governor.

He's directed.

He's a Jewish guy.

That's right.

And he wants to go.

Well, now let's get going.

This is our little spectrum.

I understand.

And he says he will.

The detective comes from out of the hometown.

And he says that he will do anything he can for me.

That's a very good line.

So if you ever have five minutes to see our inspector, do you want to bring him in?

Bring him in.

We're going to make him line up.

And so they can just stay where we can get him to come around.

Right.

And he's got to agree.

Exactly.

And if we turn, if we get some help, we'll go to help.

If we turn the war around.

Of course you will.

The war, I think, it'll be turned into war.

Period.

You know that.

That's what they fear.

That's why they're jumping out here.

But for Christ's sake, they know what's going to happen.

That's why they're jumping out here.

They're trying to get some credit.

Right.

It doesn't bring you down to say we made it through.

No, that's what it does.

It doesn't have a foundation.

That's why we've got to stay firm and strong.

I think you've got to say it stood up, stood up firm and strong and courageous against the government.

It's very important they don't get a little further than 30.

I mean, this is just following the political wind and turning the pressure.

Well, that's what I can say, you know.

Well, that

He's not so happy about the fire program.

He's thinking about the war.

He's thinking about television.

It irritates me.

It frustrates me.

It's been eight years.

There's no use talking about the other stuff.

He's talking about the issue at number one, and it's the war.

And hit it hard.

The greatest thing that he's done this has been straight up started in the womb.

But I would then go on, take him on the mountaintop, and look at the firm that he's doing regarding the Chinese.

He's looking way ahead.

He's thinking about it, don't you?

He's saying he's a bad boy, and he doesn't want him to be fighting in the world of China.

That's why he's building a peaceful generation in China.

That's why the president's having a communication facility.

He's building a real peace, a peaceful generation.

Very important.

Say, we are going to end this work.

What is most important?

We've got a president that's thinking long, well, about the young people and talking about those kids and how we feel about those kids.

That's a very important thing.

Maybe do that.

I designed a GOP for Generation Peace.

Very good.

If you can get that Generation Peace and also

The generation of peace has the prosperity of peace.

The Democrats have never had prosperity in the last 20 years without war.

Look at the decade in the 60s.

Unemployment over five, average over five and a half percent except in the war years.

God damn it, what do they know about their own prosperity?

You can say we're gonna have prosperity without war.

We're gonna have prosperity without war.

What should we do about it?

But Kimberly asked, I just did the prosperity issue that way.

We're now whining about the war.

Yeah, we have unemployment, not because we're getting people out of it, out of the war.

You know, too big a lot of the armed services.

It costs us a little bit of a lot, but it's worth it.

Did we state the LSST and say, well, let the people go to tax until we find them?

Do we have to have two?

I would love to cite it anyway if we tried.

I know.

I suggested last week that we can always let people go to tax.

We can bill one for the termination crime.

Oh, for Christ's sake, what are we doing?

Well, at least we're looking at it.

I don't know what we need to do.

And I hope that they were exploring about everything there because I feel very strong that it's got us in great error to understand parts of the track.

I just think it's a great error for this country to bug out of the airplane business.

We will have to attend these letters in the records.

We got them all the way to DPSST.

I think it's encouraging maybe just to build one.

I don't think all they want to do is coordinate it.

And you're developing a little team of guys up there to fight with.

You still need speech, I hope.

Bill Rock's going to be a good team.

Rock, of course.

I don't think he would.

What about any other ?

Well, I don't want to get into the standings.

How about that?

Are you doing it?

Yes, yes, I am.

All right.

May I get mine on the calendar?

On the calendar, yes.

All right.

It's very important.

Next up, Mr. Sherrill.

Now, the main thing to say is that we've got a secret date and all that kind of stuff.

There is no secret date at all.

No matter.

Actually, when I'm over with you, when I take the next announcement,

I'll look at it then.

But my point is, they have an absolute assurance, total American withdrawal, all the persons involved.

And, those are our goals, and they're achieving them, and our plan will, as it is, work.

You realize that we'll be back.

We'll be back with our contracts.

I'll be out of town.

The ground wouldn't even go to the numbers.

In my view, it is so much less than that.

You've got to put in $184,000 with a provisioned slice of $1,000 in the airport, right?

We're having to kind of get it out of the competition.

And then they do.

We just got it out.

I think that's the depth out.

Just the zero cash.

Yeah, that people aren't really worried about people over there.

Zero cash, we can do a grant call.

We can get that next year nicely.

Yeah, we've got to save him.

We've got to walk over to him.

Yeah, that's the way those leaguers came off.

Yeah, yeah.