On April 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), Stephen B. Bull, Henry A. Kissinger, and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 8:59 am to 10:45 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 249-006 of the White House Tapes.
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I want to be sure that on the governor's day, I don't want more than, I don't want to read them too long, 1,500 words.
I want to read them too long.
I'm a little off the cuff.
In other words, 10 minutes, basically.
1,400 words, that's, let's get it right for that.
I don't want to read them too long.
And I don't want any different price for her through PUCS.
I called PUCS and they wanted her back.
I'm sorry, I don't know if that was true.
Yeah, thank you.
If you had a chance to look at that VAR map, it's what I said.
Oh, that's the one you're talking about?
Yeah, that was about $3,500 worth.
You said it was too long, but it is.
It should be 1,802 words on 2,000.
It would already become your style to do about 1,500 words with a little bit of off-the-cuff.
What do you always do at 1,000?
2,000.
Most of those, the 10 minutes is enough.
Well, Ms. Kell tries to, and I'm total 1,800 to 2,000.
I'm totally 1,500 words outside.
Fair enough?
Yeah.
It's a struggle, but I like it.
Well, that was more of a speech than a meeting.
Private Chamber 2009.
Believe it or not, they had an infection in there.
Do you?
No, I haven't been back out there.
That's all that's mine.
I remember this.
I had a mother-in-law once, even the daughters once.
I curated it, and he said, I said, it's 33 years, but all of us have receded from her.
They were there against the bomb building and so forth.
And they were right in their area.
And they're a good family.
You know what I mean?
They don't think so much of it.
They lose somebody's pleasure.
They don't like to be reminded that they're in a truck.
And, you know, and so, I mean, I know they just did it.
Andrew did it.
But it wasn't taking it.
I would also state, unequivocally, I'm listening to this, I would also state, unequivocally, my confidence in the patriotism, the good faith, and the honest convictions of the great majority of those thousands of citizens who were expected to gather in Washington in the second half of the Congress and meet their desire for a speedy conclusion to the Vietnam War.
You know, that would be the lead.
I've gotten down to the bottom.
This group didn't understand.
That's just, I don't know.
That's a lead.
Zicker would probably want it.
Mortar would like it.
They're all satisfied.
That's utter dynamite.
And secondly, it is not true.
It is not true.
Those people that are money bearers, people that are organizing authority are coordinated by the Northeastern Affairs.
Coordinated by that.
And it's not the next Senate.
Next Senate endorses moratorium.
That's exactly what Aaron Lee wants.
The phrase is patriotism or harshism.
Patriotism or harshism.
He never puts that in one of the goddamn hard hats you're wearing right now.
They don't even want me to even meet them in my office.
I've never met them.
You've never met them yet?
I've never met them.
That's as sure as it is at all.
You know, you think that I may be a little bit rough on some of these liberals, but by God, no, no, no.
I've got to watch who's out there.
You sure you want something like that?
You've got to watch the bench.
You've got to watch Remington.
You've got to watch Salt.
You've got to watch, of course, Price.
And, of course, they don't even believe that.
And, of course, I don't, technically.
The great majority of those people who are out there are patriotic.
The problem is that they're being had by a very substantial minority of people who are... Well, one thing I want to say is that I was very proud of our leader.
And it wasn't him, I must say.
He pointed out that I didn't know him.
And what do they know of somebody else?
Rene Davis was on that class.
Well, so was that other guy that received just as badly.
Oh, I don't know who he is, huh?
The other guy was .
Davis is a .
Oh, yes.
Yeah.
I mean, another thing, how much has surveillance been prevailing?
You kind of have an excellent job on this, really, but it doesn't get them.
In other words, the surveillance that we, I think we completely cut off the Army surveillance.
I mean, the FBI had their, well, I don't know.
And it would just get me some, get more and more to understand what I'm trying to get at.
You just don't, you just don't make a statement
We have greatly curtailed this or that.
That means that if you say we have curtailed the contract.
Remember when I said that the truck tractors could have cut 55%?
That bites.
The way Kissinger prepared truck tractors has been greatly cut.
That doesn't bite at all.
I mean, I need, I need hard specific things.
It's hard to get and go out with that.
If there's any, if they don't have the facts, I don't want to make a memorandum saying why they don't have it.
But I do need it.
I understand, Bob.
Let's suppose, now let's suppose for a moment that they already have that.
Just say, sir, play that line.
We shouldn't go to them just protesting that surveillance is mandatory.
They don't even want surveillance.
I don't know what I want to do.
I'm speaking to the goddamn editors.
And they're going to ask a question.
And I'm going to say, now look here, this administration is very careful about this.
We're concerned about these drugs.
And we're going to have, I need a better Q&A on the surveillance.
I don't think it's well done.
And there's about 18 answers.
And there's too much of it.
And then I brought him.
I brought him.
He said, oh, must be through with this Earth Day thing the same day we had the China thing.
That Earth Day was a letdown.
We got them.
That Earth Day was a letdown.
This is what the FBI heard for surveillance.
In the first place, that isn't surveillance for Christ's sake.
That was a mass public thing.
You aren't spying on people when you attend a public rally, for God's sake.
You're spying on people when you come into their private lives.
Well, Griffin's answer was exactly right.
Griffin named the point exactly who it should have been.
They weren't spying on Muskie.
They were spying.
They were observing.
They weren't spying on anybody because they were all on public.
And if Muskie objects to somebody observing his public performances, he's not.
He shouldn't be a public figure.
Yeah, well, look, I say, whenever I am, whenever I am,
Travelling, there are huge, wherever I go, there are great numbers engaging in surveillance.
For instance, when I go to a rally, not only to seek research, but the FBI, due to the fact that there are possibilities of violence, you could find out that the FBI is criticized for not knowing about all his walls, picking him up before he shot Kennedy.
He went blank.
Every meeting I attend, there's surveillance.
Every meeting I attend.
I think, you know, we need to report surveillance.
They are on that here, not for spying.
I think wiretapping still is something that bothers me, and I don't know if I can see why.
I was wiretapped in the building.
It was here.
Accomplished by an equal catapulted me.
You can't expect to be taught neither.
I told you again and again that I'm a vomit.
I've never heard of this theory.
I've done so many vomits.
People have been killed and they've been destroyed.
You already know that.
I don't know how old I am.
Sure.
I might have.
I might have been 30.
I want to use sedative for any editors that are worth seeing.
I don't just, I'm not just going to move on to Bob, I'm going to have to involve him in the end.
I don't want to aim to remind him, I'm going to say to Bob and Trevor, he's been writing good things about us.
I want to get him some time.
I'm going to see him in 15 minutes.
Go ahead and thank him.
Um, Coastal Lonella.
Do you ever see the stuff they do somewhere?
No.
Nobody paid attention to their own business.
They're not an original guy.
Somebody said that, no.
Well, they had to figure out that somebody said that.
Joe Patrick had a big call at the end of the day.
Probably because of his last night.
His father had a big call.
Bill Patrick said a lot of good comments.
He had a very strong comment, especially on his speech.
There's not a few of us they've talked about.
The speech and the whole point of what the President's doing.
I noticed in here that they picked up the small increases in industrial production.
on the basis that, we don't know who did that, but that's not the point, we're going on just exactly the opposite twist, and we're having Chilton read today, not McCracken or somebody, but if he put out the money, if McCracken put out the money, we're not sure, they don't know, but if this came up to me, it's one of those things.
But you understand, first, industrial production is not an indicator that indicates where you're going, it always catches up in the person now.
They know that, do they?
Yeah.
I know that, for example, the figures for retail sales can also come out here today.
I don't think so.
Why don't somebody pick those up?
I think they come out today.
Okay.
They're set for moving the economic stuff today.
They want to move it possibly, and I want to get in with those editors.
The Canada stuff was totally inadequate on that, because, again, you've got the McCracken, and there was a lot of general statements about...
on retail sales were bad, for example.
But when you guys say, blah, blah, blah, 84%, so what?
8%.
I've already told him, so don't worry.
He said that a few years ago.
But on that, in that production thing, I thought you'd hear on it, but NBC was the one that picked it up.
And they're the worst on this, all of them.
on the economy.
And they just have done it themselves, as they've done that.
A lot of it before we checked in.
Well, AP had somewhat the same, I believe, too.
But NVC and AP didn't use the NVC program.
NVC, Bob, on the economy, is a burden.
It has been for a long time.
And I think you've got to start, Colson's group, you've just got to start working on it.
And maybe have their economic people down to talk.
to, uh, god damn, here's really, well, maybe to, uh, I'll tell you what we haven't talked about.
We haven't talked about Connelly.
He's at least positive.
You know, it wasn't a new thing, you know.
Arthur Burns is this great man you would see in Connelly.
Of course, it was also rather shocking.
Here's Arthur Burns, who was in it.
Why the hell he didn't mention it once before himself?
Why didn't he say it?
But he said he is the first captain to say something about the president.
There's something really wrong with the father.
We can talk all we want about it.
And I think the reason is that we just don't have enough money.
And now we're acting as if they're doing us a favor.
And we have to get in the boat.
We have to get in David.
We've got to have another cabinet meeting.
We've got to get a pen.
We've got to pat him on the ass and all that sort of thing.
Because I don't know how we've done anything for him.
But I know him.
I've worked with him.
But I know he's earned it now.
He's come in and worked for us.
He started with us on the medicine.
Yeah, yeah.
We're all talking to ourselves.
It's an offset.
It's a tough work.
He goes, he plows right into it.
He rolls up his sleeves.
He goes right and does what he's done.
I want you to pass me an hour and a quarter of a second.
I don't want Connelly to stop doing that.
If I want to see him anymore, I'm going to send him.
He said, I heard her.
And he spoke so highly of him.
He said that, you know, that he was the first Captain Austin.
And I didn't want him to know that I was grateful.
And I thought, you know, that I heard her.
You know, you're a child.
You've got to keep coming back.
You see, Connelly doesn't do it just to help himself.
First of all, I think he believes it, to be honest.
He thinks we're getting the bad out of him.
And second, he believes, God damn, this is his job.
That's right.
Right.
That's exactly right.
And I think our others just don't see it that way.
They don't, uh...
I don't know if this is the first time you've seen it.
The third?
Yeah, of course.
Of course, he hasn't heard them all.
Somebody probably should have said something about it.
But we know Ron is saying things and that Volpe always has that Volpe never quite believed.
He says it to his duty.
It's very millennial.
Let me go to Volpe for a second.
Volpe says it about everybody.
Yeah.
He says everybody.
He says the greatest cabinet officer, the greatest judge, the greatest senator, the greatest this, the greatest that.
That's why he wants to have an interview with Volpe.
I know why Volpe doesn't get across things.
Connolly, that's goddamn precise.
That's the crazy part about him.
Registration.
The war.
The war on Russia.
He has a clear view.
The President is the President, and I think there's a little difference.
He understands it better than the rest of the people.
I thought he was superior to the market.
He's cracked that Los Angeles crowd.
He's cracked the New York crowd.
Every time he gets a lawsuit right through,
The sapphire idea of writing a letter on the wall, you know, I thought I would reject that and I don't want to be in that.
It's a little silly.
What I was thinking of was something like this, that the Wall Street crowd may be on it.
What do you think of that?
Or just come down and get your group of moneylaskers and equipment here and then you come back.
And then they figure out some sort of a little gimmick.
Maybe they give me a bull.
I don't mean a real, you know what I mean?
I mean the greatest bull market in history.
Brass bulls and such, right?
The greatest bull market in history.
Or maybe they give me a certificate to be the best analyst, the best predictor.
You see what I mean?
That's what they ought to work on and get rid of and last year and close and get all of me and some of our friends and just leave.
The rest, they just come down and say, well, here it is.
I really feel about that that is a bigger story
than you and I ever even realized.
And I tell all the stories.
I think we can make it.
It's a 50% increase in the market.
It's the biggest, as I said, it's the biggest in the history.
The first quarter is the biggest one.
I predicted it, and I did it, and people thought, well, we've got that pool.
I think it's an idea that when you come to the enterprise, you also reflect on our own confidence.
Or what do you think?
You agree or not?
Yes.
Or other people maybe don't think StarCraft is that important.
No, they do.
Oh, no, no.
StarCraft is that important.
What other people think so or not is...
The one thing that is reported on the news, on every newscast, every night, every radio newscast, it's on a...
Most papers have little rocks on them on a page that say, I don't know who did it.
People are...
I'm just subconsciously aware of it, even when the market's up again.
I mean, this is the point of passing the inaugural point.
Of course, that one isn't as good a point.
The other point is a much better one.
The inaugural point is satisfying to us, but all that reading sense is that we have to revert.
The guy who was in Starmark, when he came in, is no worse off today than he was then.
But he's had an over two years in the meantime.
But the other side of it is that the really, the good story, the best story is the greatest pull-up I've ever written.
I think you sort of want to write it while it's good.
It ain't going to stay the way it is.
It's going to stay every day, up and up and up.
You don't know if it catches its breath now.
It has to settle.
Financial records are catching on a hell of a time.
They say when the market will drop back, the market will drop back, the market drops a little.
Or it pauses for a week, a couple of weeks, and then it goes up again.
And they don't know what they're going to do with it.
They don't know what they're going to do with it.
They don't know what they're going to do with it.
They don't know what they're going to do with it.
Now it has greater confidence.
Now it has greater confidence.
This 920, the 930, obviously a hell of a lot more healthy than the 930.
So where did the record put itself back then?
Well, there's another 10 years down the line.
And the inflation at that time was on the way up.
The inflation at this time is at least on the way down.
You know what I mean?
When we came in, it was only at 4 or 4% on the way up, whereas inflation at our time was at least checking, maybe, on the way down, which means that therefore profits this year were better, whereas profits in 69 and 70 had to go down.
So, I was thinking last time, particularly in the historian's analysis, go back to Machiavelli's points, or anybody else's,
I look at this as being a classic exercise in a suit of political management.
You come in, the stock market goes down steadily in the first year, year and a half, and then starts back up.
The economy, you bring all the stuff out of it and then start building it back on a solid base.
The war problem, which was a key emotional issue,
You do your crankshaft, you take your launch, you do your camphor, you do your launch, you take the stuff, you ride through the rioting on the streets and all that, several times around.
We've done it three times.
This is probably the last cycle of that.
You go through the cooling off of the burning of the cities.
Although that thing, if you quietly move into the integration of the South, there's a lot of requires you to do.
You need to throw all these things in the first two years.
And you get yourself, in a sense, knocked down.
As far as you can get yourself knocked down without going over the edge.
Or being knocked down so that there's no way to come back.
Then you start building back up and play.
If it works, it'll be an absolutely classic exercise.
It's an amazing foreign policy to run around the world, opening your doors and establishing your bases so that you can pull those strings one by one and you can go along them.
You can build a lot of mystery out of all that too.
And this is what we're setting up today.
Have you agreed to follow down?
Oh, I was going to say that, but we think about it.
You know how it goes.
It goes back and forth.
I'm not so sure that I want you to check it with O.R.
I get this feeling, whether it's a letter from some guy down there, is that everybody on this staff is going to want to change their mind.
I can't do it.
I don't want to.
I'm not going to try to do it.
I just don't believe in getting out into any room.
I believe that there is.
It is important to get across from that.
I don't believe you can do it.
You can get lost in it.
Yeah, I saw that.
Yeah, I saw it.
I read it.
I know what you mean.
It wasn't that.
It's all right.
I read it.
But don't you agree that if you start talking around Bob, you're going to get everybody in, particularly with a new fellow like Scaliant.
You just don't know yet what he's going to talk.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
He's got to be gut man.
Sure, I just don't want anything to leak out.
I know it's a little miscarriage.
That's what I'm saying.
I just don't know, Bob, whether it's good or bad.
That's what it has to be comfortable about it.
He can't change, but his point is he isn't going to change his personality, his roles, his career, his education in America.
That's it.
That's it.
I think what we are not doing is we're not putting Trump down.
The only one thing I would say is this, that I was a little concerned about the idea that colleagues I had reflected also on that, that guy who was
that maybe I am too controlled and pressed onto these appearances.
But I know this.
I know what happens when you get a little uncontrolled.
There's two goddamn names in the country.
And I think that there's enough, I think that we just haven't got a press that puts out the fact that, look, look at our reactors in the restaurant.
They're a uniform one.
We've pulled them time and time again.
Have they ever been in it otherwise?
What do they call it in the back?
Everybody says, and more, right?
I wonder, or do you think you should check it out?
I thought that one-by-one talk was not on the basis of a test or anything else.
Just get into, you know, the whole pattern of things.
Whether there's, whether we're...
I know the system will say no.
I know the speeches are lost.
That's for sure.
Basically because they're too cold and intellectual.
That should be warmed up.
I shouldn't have to warm up every speech.
They should be thinking of a warning.
Like Cook put it in Nebraska.
Get a woman.
Like Buchanan put it in J.C.'s book.
Remember that?
Buchanan had that one.
Cook had that in Nebraska.
Those were good.
That's what I wanted.
And it is there.
Not that I'm just talking about reading some books.
Read good books.
Just keep reading and reading and reading and all of a sudden it will come to you in the middle of the night.
about so much in speech.
But the point is that, remember what you said?
We live in the day, too, but remember Bobby Kennedy, you know, sort of hesitating around and all the time, because he loved the people, and I believed him, and he never said a goddamn thing.
People like him, that's the way.
This is the one thing I realized that I may have to do.
I think kids, let's face it, you know what, you know how kids are?
Kids see pictures of god damn uneducated.
But they, they like to hear people talk to emotional characters and music out there in that part.
Yeah.
And they want to say, I'm sincere.
I can be sincere.
I believe this.
You know, I believe this, but I don't believe it.
I never, I just say it, and that's it.
And the kids want you to say, well, I'm sincere.
I sincerely believe this and that.
It's a horrible thing for me to do.
I don't think I can make it believable.
You can't go very far that way.
There are...
But don't you agree that what the kids want to hear, where he's saying, I'm sincere, that you can't do that.
In so many words, say, I am concerned about this, you know, you and I, you know, this and that.
I don't know.
Yeah, but she's done it.
You know, she talked about that we can have the clean air and clean water, but it won't be good if we don't have good spirit.
Yeah.
How many times have you done it tonight?
I've done it a ton of times.
I've just gotten out and the staff doesn't get it out.
That's part of the problem.
The staff is never going to get that kind of thing out.
You can't rule it out.
Not much that can do.
The coverage of what you're doing.
And that's, see, that's one of the problems with the television thing.
It gets too good a picture directly.
And so strong a one that there's not a hell of a lot you can do beyond that.
We can keep putting the action, getting the story out.
I think that's what Connie was saying to me in terms of what the tactics are.
I don't think she feels right about it.
Mary.
Mary.
Mary.
Mary.
I thought she was going to leave today, or what?
In New England or something?
No, I thought that she, remember when I'm trying to get her to take a vacation to California, she said she was planning to take a trip to New England.
She said she's going to turn again to California.
So you have that part of her, right?
You're off my head, but I don't have it.
Sorry.
It's better to send it back to you than maybe...
Send it back and say, but you might still want to make the phone call.
Well, I don't have a physical phone, so I'll just have to share it.
Henry, the...
The system, the CP agrees that we have M.O.
Commons, but we can see that we should credit the letter.
Well... Or maybe get the letter.
We have a copy of it.
He's talking about a letter from a mayor in Florida who said that he's all with the president and everything.
He said that he isn't getting enough of a motion in person with what he says.
They made the same point to him, that he's got to get more passion and emotion into it, like in press conferences.
And his answer is in press conferences, he's got to be, you know, proud a little, and that he's got to build more
I think there's a cool, efficient mix in this book on truth and the best comics, rather than the passionate, caring, concerned man himself.
I think there's an idea that we're playing to.
On the other hand, you know, one of the interesting things to me about that child is that
Well, it's good for the pedigree itself.
That's right.
And he can't be just anyone.
Correct.
He's an original American politician, so he can't be just anyone.
Correct.
And that's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
That's right.
If we set in once and the person muted me and I cut it back, then I act out and send back in again.
It wasn't, uh, in fact, because this is not a corridor.
So if we cut it back, then we'll go over to you.
This is not what we expected to work out, huh?
The laptop is cool.
Careful, it's going to turn out that three men in this accident will be disjointed on three-star performance.
In 72, I've let them cry all over the place.
And he's the guy who kept this course, who didn't lie.
Now, this doesn't mean they were okay in the end.
You can reward some, or end some.
That's right.
That's a question I agree.
But I will not lose to Nixon's race, or to which I'm proud.
They come and try to be cool.
I was telling Bob what makes you interesting over a long period of time.
He said, you're an original.
And I told him, he said, if anybody likes you.
Now, that doesn't come across to anyone.
No one else.
The only television thing I've said is that it does come across over a period of time.
I think if, for example, next year Humphrey should be here as well, then I think these are definitely going to be on the editor's side of things.
And let him try...
I think I said the same thing.
Must be.
Editor's side of things.
Maybe editor's side of things.
That's a good question.
Letting him mow it all over the place.
By next year, if some of these things work out, we will have to leave the man to the test.
In all the schools, and while that doesn't sell a hell of a lot, necessarily many monetize it by that time when they have to choose what they really want.
I think this is one of your treatment disasters.
That doesn't mean that you couldn't put a little more emotion into this, but that answers your question.
That's my question.
Are you going to consider it?
Either class has to be working you over, or you might have another class be working you over that you would have to catch.
And that is the end of all of this.
Well, Carly, next, let me say, talk to you at home.
It's been a good impression.
And part of this, of course, is that our captain, Scott, had to call us.
That was the correct call, but of course, we had to just pull him around.
Never show any passion for anything.
That is bad.
It doesn't leave you.
It doesn't calm you down.
It gets up very vigorously and dramatically.
That's bad.
and so forth, and the point is that, uh, probably next year or so, he might make sure he not falls more.
He'd have, he'd like to be a candidate when I'm on the press conference.
in a conversation, he said, well, get out of here.
He said, I'm from a country like you're talking about, Chile.
There's some expropriations going on.
They're weird.
He said, I'm from a country like you're talking about.
They're weird.
He said, I'm from a country like you're talking about.
They're weird.
He said, I'm from a country like you're talking about.
They're weird.
He said, I'm from a country like you're talking about.
They're weird.
He said, I'm from a country like you're talking about.
They're weird.
He said, I'm from a country like you're talking about.
And this guy says, I cannot help but feel, Mr. President, that in your efforts to keep that in your car, I'm going to let you agree to it.
That reflects pretty much what I've been talking to myself.
What would you say?
What would you say?
You think I should?
Oh, sure.
No, no, please, no.
Why not?
No, I don't think I should.
Come on.
Well, the only thing, a good answer is to make a nasty question.
You make a sort of test because you know everything.
Can you answer for me?
That's, you know, Kennedy did that once in a while.
I was interested in watching this thing.
They were, they were, you know, pushing on something.
He said, what would you have us do?
What would you have us do that we're not doing?
Yeah, but, but...
But I don't think you want to do that.
But that looks like you know what the hell you're... Sure.
I'll take that one.
I'll take that one.
Yeah.
He kept saying, all right, what would you do?
What would you do?
That's right.
And he came on.
So that drove the newsman...
Well, it wasn't all that big for Christ.
It was the wrong thing for John to do.
The whole theme of this is this whole craft that we get from most of our staff.
I think, good will you have to be yourself.
Oh, I can be very, oh, I know, but I can tell them, well, Conway's point is this, he says, you've looked, he says, I heard you again in the meeting, and I heard you another time, he says, he says, I think it's good for you to speak that way sometimes.
Tell them off.
Give them a kick in the ass.
I think the most I would do, what I sometimes would consider doing, is to show the inspiration of the issues I've heard you make, like the one you did to the military people, not necessarily, but something that really puts you on... Well, you can't do that to the President.
No, I don't think he meant the President.
What it really means is that
You know, what if you start thinking about some issue and it reacts to you, and then later it reacts.
And it can be a minor issue.
That's the key to it, it seems to me, is that the place to do it is on a relatively minor type, not on a, on a, on a first jigger, but... Like, if you just buy it on the Texas hay, you just say, I'm worried as the techniques about putting the hay in in Texas, and I feel like people will get down there and be like, there's a bureaucrat, and other things.
And you can say, I'm sick and tired of the way the bureaucracy sits around on its tail and never gets things done until the hay's brought in.
This time, we're not going to let that happen.
And that's what we're doing.
All the people that are harvesting their hay have done a drain test to find out if there's a decent presence in the weeds on our hay.
I think that's more what he's talking about than he is explaining the fact that there's a rest on the land.
I think the presence function is the issue.
You know, it's not something that a lot of people are aware of, right?
Well, I think that's the last thing I'd like to know.
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by virtually nobody, as far as the mass of America is concerned, seen by nobody.
1% of what you do is seen by over half the people in this country when you do it.
That's the press conference, or the Vietnam speech, or any other thing where you command all three networks at the same time, which is all conversations, press conferences, on those things.
a half to two-thirds of the people see you.
That's where they get the impression.
That's where people get the impression.
That's where they get a different impression than we think you are on television.
They always say it looks so much better.
They say that about everybody.
I think you put your finger on the real problem you do not have in your official country.
This will come.
People going out.
We have what appears to be a good, cold, efficient, mechanical, loyal to anybody group.
That's what we have.
You need, I can't emphasize, we need some Nixon men in the House.
We need some Nixon men in the Senate.
And we need two or three Nixon men in the Cabinet.
That's what you need.
I really think that's very hard.
You've got to let them go.
It is important.
That's Colin's point in his pitch, which is the drumbeat by the other people, but the level at which that has an effect is very little.
Except that it builds them in once people begin to talk about certain things and they believe certain things.
Let's come to something else.
There was no more cold, austere, unemotional, totally intellectual man.
And yet, amid emotion, passion, et cetera, was created by the loss.
Correct Henry?
He didn't create it.
What about that that he did?
I was curious when they called the press conference.
Well, then they did the backdrop of the emotional tilt that they were talking about.
Well, he did a little bit of it, but it was totally a little tilt.
But he did it here.
It was a sensation.
Secondly, he did okay.
I have to say, because he gave...
very beautiful pictures about what France meant.
I look at France as a beautiful track that you all have endless lettering and stuff that you don't have with our people, our writers, our people.
And it would be hard if you couldn't bring that up because... You couldn't do it in America anymore.
You couldn't do it in America anymore.
If somebody tried it in France today,
He could do it because in 1940, he had arrived in England and said, I'm trying to throw it off.
That's got to be what he is in his time.
Yeah, yeah.
But the fight is, the fight that we really get down to is whether or not...
You want to tell them what we're talking about?
I don't know what you have to do.
Right now, we're going to change the captain's lousy, and so far as communication is concerned, it's a very, very diligent thing.
So, that's that.
Any time you've got to tell them.
What's the crisis we do?
Well, I think that's still considered maintenance.
You can't change the man, but you can't change the individual in the way he is.
I don't think we can.
I don't think I should change the captain.
Well, that's my fault.
I don't believe it.
The captain changes before the third gear.
He says, no, you can't go with him.
Thank you.
Incidentally, we've got one new ambassador.
He's got a new job.
He's got a new job.
He's got a new job.
He's got a new job.
He's got a new job.
He's got a new job.
He's got a new job.
He's got a new job.
He did no harm.
No, we didn't see him.
There's no walker.
Let's get you the hell down out of the street.
That's the place to wait.
He fought an Australian.
I know.
He's a great... You ever see him?
He's a great, big, handsome guy.
He's a man.
I know.
He led the men out of the town.
He's a hell of a guy.
Great war hero.
Great war hero.
Physical.
Great physical type and all that.
That's right.
He's much more beautiful, much more appealing in Australia than he could be in Australia.
And you know, he doesn't speak very well in Australia.
Just like in Australia.
They love him.
They love him.
I would go and talk to him.
Well, it's quite hard to see if he would.
God damn it, he's loyal.
We've got a commission.
We should put him on a commission.
Yeah, we should put him on a commission, a part-time commission.
Why not full-time?
Why?
Well, what's your view, Henry?
Well, my view is that on occasion, like when you spoke about the procedure of doing this, it's effective in making the community step up 20%.
Yeah, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't go very far because a lot of what he's sort of said is that the man just wants to hold ground quickly, he's got to go above everybody else.
Also, part of it is that this is an intelligent man who listens to television and the press and all the rest, and it's fine to eat you away.
And he'd say, Bob, you say that only one percent
that the cabinet can only do well, let's put it that way, 5%.
Don't underestimate what the cabinet and the staff can do.
Goddamn it, what the cabinet and staff can do.
They can do a goddamn thing.
And he was actually a pretty cold guy, Mr. Kennedy.
That's what I told Bob.
Kennedy was cold, impersonal.
He treated his staff like dogs.
He had no rub.
He was not a lead man.
He didn't read.
All set of things.
And his staff created the impression of warm, sweet and nice to people.
Didn't read lots of the rub.
The philosopher and all that stuff.
That was a pure creative mythology.
We have created no mythology.
The one thing on our part that I think Bob has not gotten across, and I come back to it again,
Can we get something across now?
For Christ's sake, can we get across the courage line?
Courage, boldness, guts.
God damn it.
That is the thing.
See, like, finally he was in here.
He said, now the other thing he said was just so unfair.
He said, whatever you need to do is so important.
Now, God damn it, that is not true.
Now, what the hell is the matter with our staff?
What is the matter with our campus?
Can't they, remember I told you to put down four points and one second, let me talk about these points.
Does Ziegler understand this?
Does Klein understand this?
Does Moore understand this?
Does Sapphire?
Do you know what I mean?
Not the little olds, I mean, what is the most important single factor that you should come across out of this first year?
Guts.
Absolute guts.
Do you agree with me?
Intelligence, maybe, but every president is expected to be intelligent.
Well, complexity.
Well, complexity.
But a president is expected to be intelligent, so watch that out.
I mean, I may have a little more of those than much of them, but on the other hand, just sheer, unadulterated guts and boldness to stand alone.
And cool the sun for five.
I've got that.
Can't we just try to get one point across the bottom?
That's all I can suggest.
What do you think, Henry?
No, I think that that should get across.
And the guy on 650, for the glory of, think of this beach last day.
Actually, most of this,
Colonel, it's been reported that this piece was a courageous idea chosen to be printed.
Correct.
We do have some special handicap for the press.
I was thinking today, it doesn't make any difference to what you post or report.
They had to find something to slam.
So?
So they said, they don't understand why you said that the trade, that they think the trade was good.
Well, he's in different China.
Why is it you had to say this was planned a long time ago?
Would it be much better if you had said this was a response to the ping pong?
Oh, shit.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh, God.
They didn't put it exactly that way.
What they did was take a cheap shot.
They said it was a good thing to have done.
But they couldn't understand why you were so concerned with making the point that they had then decided before the ping pong.
Because you don't make a major revision of your policy.
Because of the ping-pong team.
Because of the ping-pong team, it makes you look trivial.
Because you don't want to scare the person's out of their mind.
No, no, but that joke that Dr. Dick Kennedy had brought to China probably did a tenth of the way to this point.
They'd be throwing bouquets in the air, all of that much coming so well in the face of the first World War II.
The overall thing out of there is hopeful.
What bothers them is they don't like the fact that Nixon's going to get credit for all that.
I mean, if I get something else for the crop,
the D.A.R.
suggestions to what I should say.
I would also state unequivocally, my confidence, I would also state unequivocally, this is after talking about patriotism in this context with Carl Taylor.
I think Carl Taylor was a leader.
I would also state unequivocally,
icons, and the patriots, the good faith, the honest convictions, and the great majority of those thousands of citizens who are expected to gather in Washington this Saturday, and to impress upon the Congress and meet their desire for a speedy conclusion of the Vietnam War.
I respect your opinions.
I will listen to you.
But I may not want to pay for you to whatever position you speak.
You may have this presidency.
President, I am answerable only in my own development.
which, while it may be hidden in the streets, can never be divined in, but I am accessible to any paper that is in my hands.
What do you think?
That's a good suggestion from the A.R.
I couldn't believe it.
I could not believe it.
I think it's an obvious thing to say to anyone, but it's just an obvious thing.
The lead of the ARL, let's put it that way, walked out of the hall.
That is supposed to be said in the Chamber of Commerce.
That is supposed I said it to.
Well, it's to any group.
Well, there are still scholars.
Scholars?
What do you mean scholars?
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
First of all, we're not talking about the majority.
The people that lead this are left-wing sons of bitches.
Sure, they're not a nice little unpaid for that, but they're not haters, and I'll lay you money.
And that group that's down here, you won't find one out of a hundred who've ever served Vietnam.
Not one out of a hundred.
The little bastards are draft governors, country haters, or don't-cares.
I have no rights to have a present with them.
You go right down the line and ask them, now what?
Did you serve Vietnam?
That's right.
They won't admit it.
They won't admit it.
There'll be accusers.
There's that ratty bunch.
Oh, sure.
There are some bad guys who went to Vietnam.
The one I'm talking about is, you talk about patriotism.
To put those in the same
speech with Carl Taylor.
God damn it.
That's blasphemy.
It is blasphemy.
I'm shocked.
I know.
Price will defend it to the end.
They go to the best of intentions.
They think we'll get a good newspaper story.
You're goddamn right.
Nixon and Muskie defend demonstrators.
Jesus Christ.
The same shit, Henry.
anything before November 3rd.
Remember all that bullshit?
I don't know.
I don't either.
But you remember.
Yeah, you wanted to go to the synagogue.
Yeah.
You know, I already know the synagogue.
The synagogues weren't in that one.
But believe me.
Believe me.
You remember.
You remember.
There was the church.
There was the meet with this group.
There was the do that.
There was the do something.
Show some compassion.
The soul of your living.
Pray in the center.
Tag the doves.
Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do.
Now, God damn it, there comes a time when you've got to fight him.
Here's where we have no argument with Connolly, by the way.
Connolly would fight more often, incidentally.
Agnew would fight too often, and Connolly might fight maybe a little too often.
A little too often.
Until he's around a lot.
But on the other hand, this is difficult.
of what really we get out of our crush crowd.
What's that right?
Had they learned after two years?
No.
No.
Hell no.
Because they keep thinking, you know, some words that make some difference.
A demonstrator would despise you.
Okay.
If you did this, it wouldn't get you anything.
I paid no attention to it.
It's a goddamn bit of my time.
Middle America would want it.
There's, uh,
You're sick of missing people.
What you do by doing that, by saying something like that, is pretty good.
It's kind of like making marijuana legal.
You're sanctioning something.
And also building it up, the thousands who will be coming here.
How do I know how many thousands are going to come?
Why do I want to build it up?
No, I'm not saying anything about the funds.
But isn't that a lot of them that are coming aren't back to come for a picnic or whatever, but you should encourage them to participate in this.
They should be doing something constructive instead.
But incidentally, this is not what the Gallant Village ambassador came here for.
But the Russian ambassador came to him and said he'd never seen a horse so upset.
How was the, how would you say, the general, I read the news, the general play on that?
Oh, the announcement was good.
Very good.
This was you for the first time.
Even the Washington Post missed the point.
The Washington Post missed the point.
The Washington Post missed the point.
The Washington Post missed the point.
The Washington Post missed the point.
The Washington Post missed the point.
The Washington Post missed the point.
The Washington Post missed the point.
Well, I think that's what we knocked down.
What is that?
Hold on, hold on.
Oh, the understepper, I...
I think it moves over.
It's a marred account.
Now, that's got to...
The state feels the startling improvement as a result of state's initiative.
The state also feels that Chinese actions show the efficacy and correctness of the administration's policy with relative anonymity and special... No, that's...
That is good.
The state incidentally is pushing on this, on the Vietnam thing.
They're with us now.
They see it's working, apparently, or something.
At the middle levels, they've got a thing going on.
What are they doing?
Well, they've got a thing going on.
When?
It scares the hell out of me, but they'll tell you tonight where they're going to go out and sell the administration's Vietnam policy at the demonstration, through the demonstration period.
I'm telling you.
Well, they actually do it repeat.
It's got to be the first time they've ever done something we were trying to do.
But, uh, but anyway, I think that's the place we intend to, that's the place Julie's moving.
And, uh, four or five minutes on all three networks.
We can store it.
It must be served.
You know why they're there, of course.
And the FBI had this.
Tranny Davis was on the platform.
And there's other communists.
The other guy is the big bad guy.
He's the bomb thrower.
They asked the FBI.
You know, the FBI is always present when I make a speech.
Always.
They have to do it.
You know, Oswald Sean Kennedy, remember?
Yes.
And the guys at the FBI called and said, why aren't you there?
Well, hell, they're out there.
They were there to protect the son of a big muskie.
I said, no, I think that must be dropping out of sight, the only disadvantage.
San Diego.
San Diego, they asked him about it.
He said, I don't give a shit about that stuff.
They get, you know, they're pretty FBI.
They're pretty cool.
And he brought it.
I assume he did.
Yeah, he did.
Let me say, on the China thing, that the state had this little bit of a call and so forth, that's Marshall Green.
It's not coming through.
That was on yesterday morning, too.
By the time I did it all, it's not coming through.
It's coming through before you would announce the initiative.
That was before you had announced that it was coming through.
It was coming through in the next minute.
And it was a long term thing.
And I see ventures.
I think I should... You should see ventures in another public.
Because I've got it.
I've got my staff pulling together all the public statements that have been made.
That's right.
And say now we've missed nothing.
And them now say we're not doing this now for the first time.
You just didn't pay any attention to it at the time.
I think you ought to go back and look at it.
And but pick up starting with the 4th, the 4th of February.
That is a significant thing.
There's an interest on Times-Miles to say if you go through your files, the person's not saying anything.
I called, uh, there wasn't any info I got that was potentially helpful.
if you want to credit it except that at the end it said some presidential assistant I don't know where he got that from I think it may be the Russian president because that's not a good thing to have it written so it's probably not the good thing they said the other side too they also said it sounded weird that it may have been the Russian president that's right it was a very opposite but I hope I think that you said it's used before for us so I guess that's what you know that's what I'll say
There's another speculation that money can live on any of it.
It's in our view.
We are brave, we are active, of course.
But this is a totally independent thing.
We just tell it to the people.
I just used that as an excuse to try this is what this is what they're doing they don't know you play both sides
We've got to be able to be motivated about our good faith and good intentions, and to be able to move towards the good things.
The only cool act is not to be open to this kind of thing.
If we don't make it to the public, we must not open to this kind of thing.
Well, I've tried to come without that staff member, but they're not to say anything.
That's what drives down the trail.
Are we sure of Scallion?
Does Scallion know this?
Scali, you see, isn't too sophisticated.
You better talk to Scali.
I talked to him.
Tell him that the most important thing here is not to indicate that it's going to drive the Russians up the wall, or that it's for that purpose.
You better tell Skelly that again.
It's a terribly important statement.
That be the line and that this is not an irration vote under any circumstances.
He had a meeting in Vienna.
All in all, in this thing, at least the first thing, you know, there was a second story in that British Bureau.
Meyer made six.
That's it.
Actually, that's very good news.
They lost about 2,500 men over the three weeks period.
They went for the F-1 and they pulled back.
That's just me.
Don't look at the goddamn enemy.
I read it.
It indicated that our fire has been in deep trouble, and the guard has been fighting...
They know what the hell it is.
They'd say that if the goddamn enemy were surrendering.
You know that?
They're surrendering because they want to hurt us.
They only had one minute.
To me, the interesting thing is that if China thought they had you on the ground, they would not have had enormous presence themselves.
They would not have been able to lead people down the stretch in the country.
Oswald Fleet came back for the first session today at 6 p.m. and said he was going to train some things to break the ice.
Maybe he's going to put us on the spot one day.
We've got to get a better answer.
Justin, Justin, I've got to get that down to the very short end.
Well, then I wrote these answers that I'm sending James over the last month.
I just can't say that he's going to sit there and wait for me.
Oh, I strike that out myself.
Don't worry.
You know, don't worry.
It's just, you know, the same.
It doesn't make any sense.
You know, that's right.
some initiative on prisoners, something.
That's a purely cosmetic sentence.
A lot of you, there's an ad boy there, anything, anything.
He was saying, send an official anniversary to Hanoi to discuss face-to-face the prisoner exchange.
The rest of the American Red Cross or something like that.
I just think that's very interesting to do this.
And when they suggested a unilateral return of all the POWs in South Vietnam.
Well now, I thought maybe you did that.
You always say that they've returned.
How many?
Well, let's do it again.
Have they been returned?
No, because they didn't accept.
Why don't you just return them courting?
Say, here's your person.
We've gotten rid of our person.
Now what are you going to do?
Let's do this, another, let's make a, let's just do a program.
In other words, to call them and tell them to go to North Vietnam and report back in the month.
Can we cool it for a month?
No.
They're afraid, I'll tell you what, they're making the point that if EOW wants a vote, got them under control, they're at the tinderbox stage, and there's a chance of a bunch of reversing their support that he doesn't represent.
That would be very, that would create a problem of enormous, you don't see the public relations problem.
The field of your lives came out for doing a lateral withdrawal and the same for gripping the feet because we're unsure if we want to keep this one.
We don't want to make it to be terrible.
That's the point.
That's why you're clever and strong.
You're not trying to be sure.
You're trying to hold it in.
It's tough as hell.
Well, he's only arguing for us of cause that it was not a drug.
Well, that may suggest that we can't release some prisoners.
We've got to release some prisoners.
Why don't we release, take a figure, about twice as many prisoners as there is.
They're only, what, 460 of ours.
The drugs are holding a lot of stuff here.
Okay, but let's just release a thousand.
Release a thousand and say that's what's taken about us.
We've drunk a lot.
How do you want to get the hell out of there?
Let's do something on the prisoners.
That's all.
I think we should.
We've got to do it.
We've got to do it.
Just to get the dialogue changed.
At the same time we do it, we send Frank Foreman right over to release our prisoner guys.
I may be
that long, but I just sense that they're getting ready to move.
I know, I know.
I don't want to do anything to the military.
I don't want to do anything to the military.
I know that.
But they won't move if the prisoners, let's suppose the prisoners' wives come out with a big declaration.
Let us suppose then that you get the Senate in a high-class over-resolution.
I don't make too damn sure.
I mean, that's the thing, the first thing to do is see how... No, but we can do a few cosmetic stuff, like releasing some crystals and stuff.
Dope.
We own the boy.
One thing that I found interesting is how he now plays.
And he's been responsible, actually, for many projects.
You know, we spoke, and then he gave us an 18-month piece for...
Now, I wouldn't make that decision, that's exactly what I told the Supreme in January.
I told the Supreme, please, we might consider a deadline.
I didn't put in a deadline.
I'd be happy if you should have let me know what you're saying.
I feel sorry to say.
And I put it in a very cold place.
And, you know, I don't know what, whether he's making it up or not.
And I'm beginning to think that now the way things are moving is that I ought to send a message to the Sophie and the next lady to say that I'm ready to meet them with an important message.
What I'm concerned about is the
First of all, I mean, we've got to get people to know that.
Don't be too confident that those women are going to stand up and receive one or two of those things.
There are several organizations.
Let's check them out.
Is this a threat?
Let's find out.
We've got to keep that under control.
That's where Clifford and McGovern are both working on those purposes.
They, I would say, Clifford and McGovern are two.
Yes, he has two.
McGovern, I think, is a group I've met with who's about 30 years old.
I think I've got a journal from McGovern, but they are hysterical.
I think we've got to get it down.
I think we've got to get the kids through some holding.
They have to hold up.
You see, you can't just say, look, don't give up everything you're hunting for.
There's a lot more.
There's nobody else.
Not now.
I have found, I can only take my experience.
Yeah, and I don't say it because they haven't noticed it either.
I always tell them, I give them samples, but I'm not too specific about it.
But all I can think about is the kinds I've talked to them about.
They must be positive, they have a lot of things they can't deal with, that's very important.
You've got to look at the crisis and you know very well that
If something doesn't happen, we've got to do something then.
So what the hell?
Why not get them?
We don't want them to trigger us to do something before we need to.
We've got to buy some time.
We've got to buy about three months.
So we're looking at it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And we understand, you know, first of all, they look at us and they listen to these sons of bitches on the other side and they tell them, look, all the holdings back and this crazy thing.
And that's, of course, you know, our oath that we've got a resolution and that we will withdraw all of our forces in nine months after they release all the prisoners.
Well, I'm trying to say, is that based on that or something?
Well, we can't do that.
I'm supposed to release all the prisoners today.
And he really intended, intended, intended that we would withdraw our troops by January of next year.
Jesus Christ.
South Vietnam, but down the drain.
Just like that.
We've got to get through this goddamn infection.
We've got to get through a little more than that.
We've got to get, we've got to have some people in that damn place until about July, if you well know.
No, no.
You've got to have it.
That's the deadline.
We need the best possible time.
There's a date for Facebook.
There's a date for Facebook.
That's why we have that.
Well, anyway, I'm just saying, do the prison fitness speak.
Bob, you get huge.
you cultured and you talk to them and say now where are we going to move on to the first amendment and let's see let's see what we can do and i really want that this is worth more than seeing 150 dollars they are they are really the ones
It's an emotional issue.
You know what people want and so forth.
That is the one thing that hurts.
You can fight a lot of them.
You can fight the date.
You can fight everything else.
The personal thing is, I know that's the case.
We have a poll, for instance, that shows that people would oppose pulling out of Vietnam by the end of this year if it meant economies take over from South Vietnam by 57 to 27.
People would oppose pulling out by the end of this year if it would threaten the lives or safety of US POWs by 81 to 17.
On the other hand, people would favor pulling out if it meant getting a deal done just back.
We just say, would you favor pulling out by the end of this year at 63.20?
63.20.
Well, 63.27.
63.27.
Really?
There's our problem.
The depression is the greatest emotional issue we've got.
Therefore, it shouldn't be that way, but it's the way that they should see the light.
They should realize that this long haul, there's only questions a few months one way or another after they've been there five years, but they don't see it that way.
I just think that's, I just don't think you're getting the other information on that.
Oh, you've got to check it.
I would check it, but... No, but I want to check...
I don't want to...
I want to check with... Get the devil's advocate, sir.
Now, Hughes talks to all the groups, doesn't he?
You know, does he?
But he's trying to... Let's get the people that... Let's poke it on the side that they think is about to blow up.
All right?
By that, I'm going to get the congressional people.
All right.
See, who... What prisoners are out there talking to us?
They've been working with us on that side.
Yeah.
See, we've got to see...
There's various groups out there.
No, no, no.
I've seen whatever the group is that has no group.
I've had to be meeting with everybody, with the government.
There was 30 wives that we met, and I met with them twice, and they had, hey, been tears when he talked to them first time.
So this is not an easy group.
But I've talked with them twice now, and I think we can hope that I could get on.
I think the mistake that's been made is that there have been too many promises made to them.
Apparently they have kept telling that they claim, I don't know if that's true, that it's six months and a year, and now they have to do it.
So I have found it better not to promise him anything specific.
Well, I mean, the...
I'm not saying...
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I mean, are you...
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not very good at promises, Earl.
I'm not
Now, by God, I want something done cosmetically on the prisoner issue.
Every week now.
Now is the time to do it.
The prisoner issue is the main thing to do.
It really is.
Because I think we can hold the rest of them, the hell of a lot of the Senate and the other things.
But if we're on this one, they hit the country with it at that point in time.
The main thing now is not to press our luck.
Don't try to oversell.
Don't argue about who gets credit, who did this and that.
Leave that all out.
We've got all the magazines now doing cover stories and things like that.
They can't say they've done everything with an eye on control over the dead body.
And that's when it's, it's late.
It's good as hell to be depressed because they can't let the one-eyed flame do what I've called it.
One party down this road, but in the other, you're putting in their hands.
If you want to take that, there's something you can do.
Oh, on this, no more rocking.
I'm not going to have, I'm not going to give him any time.
Basically, because I'm not going to give him any time.
I'm not going to give him any time, too.
But I'm going to have two meetings out of one.
I think what we'd like to do is to get rid of that and then postpone.
Well, that's what we want.
Well, that's great.
That's what I'm doing.
Let's just say, look, we can postpone it to the fall.
He has, he has enough.
It doesn't matter.
All right.
Laraki, the prime minister, has to make the decision.
The only drawback is that it could be played as an Arab revolt about Middle East politics.
So I let him take the initiative.
And so there are three possibilities that he could present.
One is postpone the state visit for a month.
The other is to make a private visit to another.
A private visit is no different from the state visit.
Or to do a visit to a private visit.
They won't do any of them.
You see, the private visit makes no difference in it.
If you're going to get the private visit, it's going to get the same as far as I'm concerned.
And it's the same disability as being gone without mobile.
You mean without a dinner and that sort of thing?
Well, without public stay.
I would say he would be good at that, but there are no obstacles on our side to have that.
He's great at getting into that, but you're going to abide by him, not just his preference.
I don't want anything to do with all of this.
From our standpoint, you need to know we're not interested in any of this.
The less we can have, the better.
It's better if it all comes up in the state.
I don't want anything to do at all with this.
They want you to do two things, both of which are one.
They want you to write a letter.
I will not write a letter.
This is an informal approach by the ambassador, I know.
That's wrong.
And secondly, I don't think in an election year you want to have this beautiful bastard or enthusiast.
He's not coming over.
It's too late, Captain.
I'm just not going to have any brother or sister in the United States next year because I don't want to.
And I agree with you.
We need to stay safe and present.
I want that to be known, present, scheduled, and actually accepted in the still.
And then we will break it down to the extent that we find it useful.
And so there will be God never that I can see.
Maybe he comes back.
I can't know something private.
You should, next year you should see only those people.
That help us?
That success is guaranteed.
Also that help us, because the state visits are generally not helpful to us.
They have nothing to say, no, no, no.
So just tell them, so don't go through that long list again.
I just want the state to know that I ain't got to talk to them.
How is that book treated?
He was kept in late for dinner and then acted like a goddamn fool.
He's not going to come at all.
I'll never have him.
Believe me.
And also, when I was in Kenya, you could see me.
I mean, a zombie.
Screw him.
And I just told him, I had that little noose on him that you told us.
I will not write the letter, and I will not invite you.
Let them squirm a little more.
Don't you agree?
I do.
I think it's suicidal.
Yes, it is.
I think we, maybe that's what we think that the last rule was.
We shouldn't call it a non-rule.
That's a private, private rule.
That's a pretty good rule.
Well, it may be a good rule in Latin America.
I'm not sure it's a good rule here.
The people that they kept us around, why don't we have a song on their chair?
I'm thinking about it.
I think it would be more of an election pollination rather than a rule in Latin America.
It's definitely strong.
But I just stopped planning any visits next year, so it's kind of a big mess right now.
No, no, Dan, thank you.
For us, each will be a good one, and I hope you'll be watching us on it.
Good visit.
Now, they're tiny, but they're covered out anyway.
They're such fun.
Next year, we're going to play other games.
We'll have that shit bogged down.
God, no.
I mean, I do own the Mexicans.
But I've said it in my head a long, long, long time.
No, I don't know if he had owned it from the Mexicans.
It doesn't help.
It doesn't help.
I'd never agree and never thought that the Mexicans in the United States cared one thing about Mexico.
They care about the United States.
They hate Mexico.
Well, that's not true.
I think what we do, we're going to play this one extremely tough, and I'm just not going to buy a little grand prize.
Get them out of the way.
You know, the European summit, maybe.
Or the return Soviet visit, maybe.
But let's just play the big ones, and let's play the ones that are going to make us.
Well, you could have them do it, too.
I know.
I think we should.
It's actually definitely...
It's not...
It's not... Not at all.
And all of them are floundering around trying to make AI or whatever they want to do.
And whack!
They're trying to make a movie.
It must have driven the goddamn television people up the wall.
They must have hated it.
Oh, yeah.
Well, actually, several of them had a very good time.
They were talking about this shit, you know.
I don't know.
No, they all knew that.
And Hayes had a definition that was his.
What's the person he was talking about?
Fulbright was talking.
Fulbright was?
Not that you will stick with us for more than a week.
Yeah, but still, that's...
If the Perseids say that it changed, what's the answer to that?
Peace, peace, peace, peace.
It's the long race.
They want peace and enterprise.
And we don't.
We know what they're doing.
We're dealing with a bunch of thugs and bandits and bastards.
And we're doing this for a reason.
And I remember I kept talking to him, I kept saying to him, there's all this orange draft of speeches, there's all the emotions.
Kennedy never calculates what I've done, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through, what I've been through,
the Chinese who have no sense of what's going on in China.
I hope you get that across.
If you get Bill White in, the one that this thing deserves, he deserves the special attention.
because he spent so long with him, and he's the Johnson man, and I, every time he would throw off on Kennedy, on Kennedy's ass, he'd say, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you.
I can still get back to them, but except for the goddamn hip-hop, you know, this story would have been on payday again.
Relaxation.
Go in.
Okay.
Like a little performance, yeah.
So when I saw she was calling my advice, she said, you know, I'm sorry, but they haven't come because I don't think the action is good enough for them.
But they don't want to appear in her building or they don't want to go through the thing with, you know, what I don't see is what I see in my life.
You know, I say, I'm a man, but you say, it's nothing to do with the Russians.
It's nothing to do with the Russians.
I probably doubt the state of the motion because they know that it might be.
That was at one time.
That came out of the common office for a year and a half.
If you want to hear anything about the evidence and all that, I think it's very possible that she was tested.
I mean, I did tell her that I was going to make another connection, and she didn't mention one of that.
But we made this deal, and it's been running on for 20 months.
And that shouldn't be the main concern.
If we could only have one more, that's all we need.
And he said, one will be able to solve it.
He said, you've got to, you've got to, you've got to, you've got to, you've got to move.
So, you've got to move.
So they didn't say it's such a hot deal, it's just that there's no new power, there's no new change, either side of the decision.
The only reason why I had to worry that it might not happen was
Either because of the validity of their own public report they've got to stay, or I had thought that she was so big now that I had to go.
If she went out there, I'd have to deal with it.
Neither of these things.
He bought me these shoes, too happy with my car, and married the best man in my family.
And when I met her in China, her heart was in a cold place.
We met there and dreamed of both.
And I...
Jackson might come out against me, the only one I can think of on the ground.
I don't care what they say.
They are in trouble, and so are the leaders of some of these moratoriums.
What are they going to do?
Why would they carry it?
Because to them, China is the example of what they're going to do.
I see your point.
They carry the sayings of Mao around.
How can they be born in China?
And Zhou Enlai could have used it.
He used this as the cape, as the Russians' officer.
They kicked the hell out of me.
He didn't say that.
He didn't say that on the day of this report.
Oh, I'm not sure.
He said that he was your brother.
No, he could have had to think about it.
He could have said that he was going to do it.
He was going to do it.
He could have put your name on it.
He could have put your name on it.
He could have said, the only thing that snaps in the way is American presence.
America sets a deadline for withdrawal.
He may still say it, but I don't think it's a very big thing.
I have to do it every time he says it.
I don't think he's going to let me speak.
Maybe.
Maybe he's there.
You know, it's the old story, you know, our Italian friends always come in and say there's a race between a lot of Paris and Moscow.
We erased the monster on the 18th of March.
But if that is, you did it.
Of course, that's all for my making, that's all.
Why do the dogs of mine, all of the bureaucracy of mine, the dogs staying the way you can't do it?
You can bleed all over them.
You can bleed all over them.
They can't live free.
Or they can't.
I won't admit it.
You ask any of them, if you say that a year after Cambodia and Laos, this is less than a year after Cambodia, you could have such a speech with two in line.
All the wise guys in town were telling us Laos could make a Chinese military confrontation.
And it's really much set by the end of nature.
There's a better chance of negotiations with the Chinese in a war, if they wouldn't scream and text every day, yeah?
So every house does.
Well, the thing is, you know, getting back to this whole business of, uh, making chameleons and so on, the thing that I really don't hate is that you're gonna take Bob's money and make it yourself, and it's gonna be, uh,
They're pragmatic, no-nonsense.
They're a cool customer.
What is needed, Henry, is that you've got to get more of these people to see the vision, and they go out, and they've got to talk to their own cousins, and they've got to have courage, and they've got to have guts, and so forth, and so on.
They've got to do it together.
Schultz has got to do that.
Erlichman has got to do that.
Peterson's got to do that.
clients better than that.
That's what needed to be done.
You see, this is what they wanted, this is what people, I mean, not like Valenti, not that, like, oh, no, he's not a person.
Yes, sir, he loses his temper, he'll cuss the hell out of us, but by and large, that's when it counts.
And if you're in a fight, you never really meet with the other guy.
If you want him in a foxhole, which is something like that, that's the kind of stuff that ought to get out.
That is what we haven't gotten across.
That is not getting across.
Maybe a little up on this last piece, I guess, which says, on the second page, that Jesus, frankly, had to do for himself to sort of die before the seal, you know.
You've been doing it.
I mean, you have had to sell yourself in central Congress.
I saw Schreiber, I saw Schreiber after the Congress.
Yeah.
And they were just charged up, and they figured anybody who can inspire...
I had like a cabinet member, and his man was probably the speaker, so they must do something.
Now another one, for example, there were two of them, there were a bunch of them, but not very true men, very dumb men, very crazy, very incredible.
What the hell are they?
They run around, basically, there's one over here, a few men over there.
I'll go to Europe, and have a good time, and arrive, and all that sort of thing.
I don't know.
Bob was one of them.
I don't know.
Bob was definitely, he really was a step right up to it, you know.
If you get a chance, you just, I think you might say that.
Say what Arthur Byrne, that I think Arthur Byrne said.
It's interesting.
His old architect said, you know, he said, he's walking.
Oh, yeah.
He's walking.
He's difficult, but he's walking.
I have to say.
The main person.
No, I have to say, if they had a positive, it would seem to be out of the picture.
Yeah.
Throughout the 60s, Arthur was going out to New York State, and much better than any of the other countries, because, you know, that's being strong.
Yeah.
But Arthur came in, and he said, you know, you know, you're president.
He says, I...
I've heard comments now.
What good is this?
It's something many do over two years.
I've never heard another member of your cabinet.
He could have said what he said last night.
I've never heard it.
Both of them all young.
He spoke.
He didn't just think about the job he was doing, his administration's programs and all that good.
He spoke about you.
Correct.
He was proud to be in the administration.
The courage, you know, the personal quality.
He said, what's the matter that your cabinet doesn't do it?
John was sitting there.
He's what he was.
John said, well, isn't it?
We haven't told you.
They haven't told you.
Look at him, a bunch of clowns.
Volpe tries it, but he's not going to.
Because Volpe says everybody is a great man.
Well, I'm going to ask you personally, but nobody will leave you alone.
He stands.
He doesn't have any hump.
Richardson believes it, but can't say it.
Mitchell believes it, but can't say it.
Rodgers and Larry Paul say it.
What the hell are they going to do to him?
Rodgers saved more than Lennon, because Rodgers saved for his own purposes.
Larry don't ever say it.
Never.
Never.
Never.
That's all right.
But what I'm getting at is that you ought to tell the point that I'm making.
Here's what Arthur Burns said about the colony.
You want to tell Finch and Rumsfeld, why don't you say, why don't you just say Arthur Burns told us that?
Can you do that?
Just put it on the basis of Arthur Burns.
Can you make this point?
And then it'll irritate the shit out of both of them.
Because both of them know very well that they aren't good.
And they'll say, well, we don't want to sound like Jack Mulaney.
That's what they'll say.
And that isn't what we're asking them to do.
That Mulaney thing was horrible.
That's not the way to do it anyway.
No.
You can do it in a better way.
That's right.
You can give examples.
The difficulty is, the difficulty with these problems is that
They basically, on the three big decisions of the administration, the November 3rd, the Cambodia, and the Laos, and the April 7th speech, were on the other side.
Now, God damn it.
That, however, should make it more credible.
They could say, by God, we were wondering.
We were worried.
There's the problem with you as a matter of fact.
But you said it.
people tend to discount them to a certain extent because they know god damn well that you were with them.
It makes it far more believable when a congressman, now Schultz believes it, and Schultz in his own way is beginning to say, but I've actually gone to the press,
Uh, and they respect you more, uh, well, they respect you more if you stay close to them than if you try to take them.
Anyway, I don't think it's not righteous or bad or any good, but it's bad.
That's right.
It's a personal thing, absolutely.
Oh, okay.
Do they agree?
I don't know.
Maybe not.
And it doesn't help you, of course, either, that they're right with you, but they're not helping themselves.
One thing, now, this is obvious.
Or I didn't think anybody else would say, I'm just going to be scared.
If you would ask, you know what I'm saying.
I just told her, I'm sorry, I kept that message back fast, you know, for a month.
Oh, yeah, the last month.
Because Michael, you hit it strong and hard.
Why don't you tell him that?
I wish you would talk to him.
The president wants him to say, you know, this is very important.
But it is.
You should ask Hope.
I have a speech for myself.
See, I don't want that to happen.
We want to screw the Chinese.
And you know that.
That's right.
The Chinese are not going to be any good friends.
In our time, Henry...
to deal with you and so on and so forth.
I'd go to visit my high-priority children.
And later, we would have to go to visit the high-priority children.
I paid no attention to the column.
I said, there's no attention.
I said, yeah, try to keep the lid on.
I frankly can't tell you which of this level fellow talks to him.
It's a no-brainer.
We have done it.
It is not our view.
It is not the president's view.
They know us.
When I do this, they're going to detect you.
I don't ever speak to them.
I'll hit it hard if they ask me in the press room.
And I mean it.
Obviously, I have asked.
I hope the president is not the president.
Right.
Good.
Did you?
Well, that's good.
Just say one other time.
Can I also suggest this?
I'm sure you've got the scallop.
I've got the scallop.
We've got this little important line here to keep our fish fried when it's so good.
You're not going to go over this thing.
I'm not going to say that this is, you know, this is some plot or something.
Obviously, it has a lot to do with it.
Don't say it.
Don't talk about it.
Let the action speak for itself.
Let it ride where it is.
Just lay it in hard.
We'll do that.
Later on, we'll make a plan.
Not now.
Just don't get... Just don't get so...
Okay.
You'll go get... Just don't get so... You didn't...
This...
This drive...
Absolutely... You really think so?
I don't know.
I don't know whether they, maybe they, they've got this word discussed.
Because they may think more is going on.
That's what they think.
That's what they think.
That's what they think.
That's what they think.
That's what they think.
That's what they think.
I think the ID is tough, and I think the Chinese ID is tough.
On both counts, they're right.
Now, the other thing is that, however, we've just seen this with them, with the Americans and the Chinese.
Well, after all, that's been, it's in their hands.
They can now, they've been completely, in a sense, let them, that's been a solid announcement that we've had, and that's been a sign that we'll be after that, and we'll be after that.
And let me say, I'd rather, I wouldn't worry about, I wouldn't worry about spacing.
If we could get it solved.
And if they're really going to get this on an announcement as quickly as we can.
You know what, I'll tell you why.
I just don't want all sorts of things that can happen here to be screwed up.
Once we have the summit announced, then we really ride into that.
You could go to the president's wife and say, the president's wife.
The president's wife.
What would you tell him?
You've got to dig on everything.
You see, now the president is going to be the highest priority in this issue of the Soviet Union at the summit.
Do you like my point?
I think by, by, that's as quickly as we can get at the summit.
I see Scali today, this morning, and I play it very cool.
We don't brag about anything.
Let the state brag.
They'll brag all over the place.
They say they did it.
We don't give a damn.
They know it's not true, don't they?
They're sort of sheepish about the fact that this whole initiative, we've got the record on that.
Okay.
I'll be over there.
No, I'm going to be over there.