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But you see, these guys,

And they live for their clients.

That's why I want you to see if they'll like something I've done.

And I've done it for just a mile.

And you know, I have hope.

And, uh, but it'll, I'll bet you, it'll, uh, you know, you'll know that.

But, you know, they'll be sold.

And they're nice folks, so.

And I, I've known him for a long time, so I, I don't know him.

So I said, you know, I said, Tom, before we get out of here, I just want to sleep.

Come on.

I said, sir, I'm waiting for you.

I don't want to wake you.

Just so that you know that I don't want to wake you.

So, I said, sir, I'm waiting for you.

I'm waiting for you.

And that's the greatest thing that we've done in our lives.

I think one way or the other, it's been very cool.

I mean, it's been a pleasure.

And we're going to have to be careful.

I think the chance of us

I always told, I told her the last time I was there, that things were very bad, and that people, I only told her the last time I was there, that things were very bad, and she needs to die.

After that, we cut away from the wall, rocked out of it.

Today, there's no movement at all.

They're shaking, aren't they?

They're shaking, yes.

All the time.

Even those people know it.

That's the attack.

They're moved, really.

I think they will change with the stage.

This thing just is an excuse.

But you can admit that they will change with the stage.

I think you can.

I agree with you.

Well, we'll just set these on a different time.

I know.

Oh, yes.

Definitely.

We don't know how to answer the questions.

But we've got a quarter of a year, and we can answer that question, and we can solve the questions.

You know, really, the press, though, the Kennedy press conferences were jokes, because they just threw them so close.

I mean, they didn't mean any harm to us.

And, uh...

Our restaurant, which is basically our adversary for scenes, each one of the press is coming in to see if we can get them on the front line.

And, uh, but, uh, go down to Buchanan's office and get the copy of the, uh, you know, if you want a copy of the, uh, Kilpatrick column.

It's in the mail.

Well, you're calling from Harvard.

Well, it's a call from Harvard today, and three letters from Yale and Texas, and a piece of the fastest...

Which I haven't heard from before, or late.

Well, you know...

Except with this insured worker.

I heard the opposite.

They sent me a letter signed by 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,

The move of Isaac to speak to the church in China gives him an excuse to accept him also.

If you had come the other way along the bridge, then China would have accepted you.

I thought he was being strong.

Nowadays, he's famous as being a Jew company priest.

Sax would be sitting here.

He's been out there, but I want you to see him on the ground.

He's a very intelligent man.

I know him.

If that's what I had at your guest talk, I'd like to get his...

his son was against him, now his son is for him.

But he says, Laos, no.

He's just been out there.

I think this, I think this, I think Laos, I think Laos, I think Laos,

Another bit track is all different.

200 stretcher cases.

Another one said 190 wounded at the 25th of March.

Uh, seven new medical examiners, 150 wounded.

Bistrack 31B, 150 wounded.

A U.S. officer said there's 2,000 who are dead.

And then on the 30th of March, the pre-insurgency government, Bistrack 32, he called this one, the San Francisco one.

12 vehicles full of wounded personnel in the 40,000 feet area.

This is the latest, this time 41.

And 66 wounded.

The medical section has been treated in the emergency room.

It still has 411 wounded in the stadium, waiting to be moved.

9th of April, 17th medical battalion, over 350 wounded.

8th of April, 272 wounded.

10th of April,

You know, I was glad.

I want you to call Helms and tell him I was glad he needed to speak

I thought it was because he stepped up and said, you know, you don't shoot.

You just call it and say that I'm the president.

It's a very good thing.

It's a damn good speech.

It's time for the intelligence agencies to stand up and quit being kicked around.

Andrew Hubbard, for example, when I thought he was going to say, you know, I thought that he said, well, you honestly think about the president.

But I thought, well, I'm going to show him what I did.

I said, I don't think you're a Jew.

I think you're reporting the truth.

But he had a plan.

He had a plan where you don't report the truth.

But the other time, he said, you know, that's true.

He said, now you know that's what I'm going to say.

And that shows that the organization has worked.

It was done all by the people.

I said, well, I don't think they ever put in any good charges.

He said, oh, well, but still, it was all ground action.

I didn't even know what he was talking about.

He said, you know, basically, they held off three Northeastern Christians, the South Eastern Christians, five or six, and now it was admitted that they were all South Eastern Christians.

Well, yesterday they reported that they had not trusted the truth, and now they're calling in the South Eastern Christians.

That's a big picture.

This is an isolated area.

He's our friend.

The main part is to realize what you're doing.

Realize what you're saying.

If this failed, it hasn't failed.

It may still fail, but if that failed,

Of course, I do think this, and I think it's like everything coming together.

The China thing, without the speech, would have gotten a half a ride.

And it would have looked after them.

A good speech would have looked efficient.

Because it goes so contrary to the liberal ideology that we should have sent the Chinese off and the Russians.

And the Russians have less of that, actually.

Take your chances, but especially with Joe and I. I don't think that's that much of a problem.

I know it may be just so tough that they won't give you anything.

That's my hope.

That's a remarkable message.

Vietnam, and that's what we saw.

Vietnam, we handled directly.

Oh, I won't do anything.

But I mean, regardless of what you said, the way you said it was a lot more valuable to go directly to the moment you see it.

I don't even know whether it's worth waiting for an acceptance of your changes.

And what we did check, what we did know, what we did thank you about there.

Yeah.

What they're all thinking.

You may find they're thinking about something and you can't tell them if you're lying to them.

But my deal is, as soon as you send them, then I think you make your call.

But I don't think you are.

I don't want to fool around with them.

I don't want to take too long.

I kind of heard about the move.

Wait a second.

I'm not here.

Huh?

We're not here.

Sorry, not here.

We've been talking.

We've been guessing around.

I heard it's going to be in Paris in about 10 days.

An inspection will take place.

Otherwise, they'll screw around for a while.

I don't know, but I said to me, it's an experience that we all do.

We have to hope that they come back.

They've never come back past it.

Also, it wouldn't be.

China has more of a preference for English.

Some of them are very shy.

I think it does right now.

Our goal is .

Leave it open.

And I think the light is essential when we have a photograph.

There's a photographer all the time.

They say it's a goal.

At least for the truth, for one or two minutes, we need this idea.

Artists, what do you say?

Thank you.

It's a pleasure having a couple of thoughts in my head.

I think that, you know, as a young man, I was going to be charged with regret, too.

Lee Hillis, yeah, he's a nice fellow.

He's a nice fellow.

He's a great, great, great, great friend of Jack Knox.

He's a great friend of Jack Knox.

He's all right.

He's a great friend of mine.

Lee Hillis has always been, he's made a great friend of mine.

He's always supported me.

He's always made a great friend of mine.

He's all right.

He's a great friend of mine.

Now, this will not be for characters.

If they ask, I would.

I'm just going to say, well, I have nothing to say.

I think it will.

No, I didn't.

Well, no, I just understand.

I'll say this.

I said it was our position.

And it is the Soviet position until we have something to discuss.

I'm going to take the Soviet position until we have something to discuss.

Just leave it out there.

I don't want to lie to you.

Oh, there won't be any speculation.

I'm just saying, gentlemen, I really have nothing to report here.

So they have all the discussions here.

Well-prepared.

Except the question is not likely.

See, Eric doesn't come that way.

He'll ask the way he has to do.

I think the question will come from the commissioner.

I'm here to say what about the proposal that was agreed with 8 p.m.?

I'll say the last day of my position.

I'm not a positionary commissioner, but I'm here on an issue that we're very, very comprehensive on the issue of the current second.

This is a comprehensive position.

We're willing to have any kind of an issue that's less than comprehensive.

Now, it seems to me that we ought to take the POW plan.

You know, I think we should be saving the person.

I mean, it's an impersonal thing.

One, you know, we've got a lot of minor priorities going on every day.

The field doesn't have all of them.

It's an action.

It's an impersonal thing.

It's an action.

It's all of them.

It's an action.

But I, uh, I would say, you know, the highest priority now is in Paris, but then every other community channel we have.

Second, that our goals, as far as we're concerned, we will see the difficulty of the scenario.

That question will undoubtedly come to an end when we have an overall response and answer to it.

We have stated that we have long discussed the development of the summer.

We have long discussed the development of the overall summer.

We have no reaction to that at the moment.

And we will continue to pursue that.

No sudden, they call it control and withdrawal, but our goal of control and withdrawal cannot be achieved unless it's filled with some sort of motivation.

But beyond that, I'm satisfied with the result.

Well, we can say that we offered to exchange 10 for 1.

We've offered 10 for 1.

We've offered to give a lot, and we have given up unilaterally.

Without any exchange, we've already given up groups with no...

In regard to timetables, .

I'm afraid to go back to that October 7th.

I don't know.

Well, that's fine, yes, but I mean, they were really, you know, really, you know, if that ever is, if we get Peter, well, I'm just saying, if we get the song, if we get the song.

I just don't see the direction of it.

I just think for the president, it would be such a spectacular.

They are, they are, I'm sure, they look, they do see themselves as a little bit.

If you have an American president in the United States, that's to them to find the greatest capital of our country.

And if you think that Tito would go to NASA to do that, well, then, for these communists, it's just as good a friend as a friend.

I'm going to go.

I will not go.

I'll stay down.

I've got to do a couple of things.

I think they couldn't afford it.

I was fighting them.

They controlled Moscow.

I'll be very, very proud of what we've done.

We've done a very, very big risk.

And, oh, it's embarrassing.

There was absolutely nothing.

Spurs lost.

They'll control them.

Moscow will be cold as ice.

They won't do it.

They'll want to do it.

Respectfully.

They'll want to do it.

I forget.

If you go to Moscow, you're out of Moscow.

You're out of California.

I know what happened here.

It's not good.

The same will happen.

I know, I know.

Russia was quite a receptionist.

It was born in Ukraine.

If we could ever, if we had Ukraine in the place of our lives, we did anyway.

But I can assure you, I know Russia, I've been there too many times.

That damn place out of Moscow, those Russians, they love Americans.

You'll see the American president come out of the military prison and shut them.

Thank you.

Losing an office, you know, that's what I want.

You know, you should always be nice to me.

They still do.

No, there's more going on here, but the old adjuncts of the other nations, all the young people, intellectuals and communists who were against communism and all the intellectuals are really important.

That's the great commentary of our time.

On this matter of timetables, I'm just simply going to say that I know what you're going to do.

I'm interested in what goes.

You're disgusting.

I will say that.

Listen, I'm not going to discuss it.

I think that's the best thing to say.

And that I, the gentleman and I, I think also, you know one thing that I put in, I'm glad I did, I know Kenneth didn't want it in, because it was very important to us.

Where I said, I expect it to be held accountable.

That is an enormous investment.

I think that was a good thing.

I hope I'm not giving any away.

You'll be held accountable.

In the election, you're held accountable.

In history, you're held accountable.

So what's that all about?

Let's see what you are.

Mm-hmm.

I don't know if that's what matters to you.

That's a good idea.

I can tell him that I'm closer today, but I can do it from breakfast to the morning.

I think that's an excellent idea.

He can do it from breakfast to the morning.

I can do it from breakfast to the morning.

Well, I can do it from breakfast to the morning.

But I'll see what I can do.

Don't change your approach again.

You've got to look back and look back at the back of your head.

And I'll tell you now if you're like, I'm going to die.

Because really, we might want to go to the Shia.

Huh?

You shouldn't go to the Shia.

No, no, no.

Well, tell him, call him and say that we're checking it out and that I'll have a message for him in the morning.

I'll tell him that we've got the message and that we're checking it out.

And that he had breakfast in the morning and that he could have a message.

Fair enough.

I don't want to see him today.

I've got to keep him on the phone.

You can keep him on the phone.

That's a half of it.

And that I, but also hold on to the fact, other than the president, that I thought the first thing, I thought the statement was exactly right.

So it's just so much that the world is changing immediately.

But I think if we appear too anxious, the Chinese will draw back.

I don't want to appear too anxious.

that I have very much in mind.

The idea of sometimes the exchange that is very much in mind.

But it's a question of time.

It's a question of time.

And I do not, but I think it should be under the, it should be under our auspices.

It'll help more rather than cheating from us.

Well, I'd like to.

I like my meeting.

But I don't want you to feel you can't see me.

But you can give me breakfast tomorrow if it's useful.

After all, I have a free breakfast.

You can come in tomorrow.

I love Monday.

We'll come in.

Again, tell it to me.

You can come in tomorrow.

Anytime tomorrow.

Tell them that I approve.

That I have a full schedule.

That I'm good.

That you can come in around 12 o'clock tomorrow.

That I would welcome the change to 12 o'clock.

in confidence about this thing you and I can see together.

Come in and look, if you're tired of this stuff, then I can help you out.

We have some ideas, and we'd like to explore them.

You see, Mansfield has done a beautiful position here.

We kept talking about them all along.

I said, Mike, something's going on in China.

Every one of those practices, and everyone knows what it is there.

So now,

you should start the conversation first with the president.

You were what knew that something was happening to girls here in this state.

Second, if you find your state very responsible, and that's exactly the way to play, we want to get them to come here.

That is, if we appear too agonistic, it will drive them away.

And also, it will not be helpful in other games we play.

It will appear like an indirect, and I assume it will come back to play.

The third thing is that, however, that this may be moving, it may be factored in with that.

And we, I have in mind, the angle that we talked about, but that is the time approaches.

But I think that at the end of the day, it's the right time and it could well come quite soon.

because they were waiting past the election.

But I think that the I think would be a bad, long auspices .

Well, before we call it that, I'd like to go over to the other question, Mr. Ferguson.

Well, I can't call it right away.

On the private timetable, the residual force is a little air-powered.

Well, now we have a very high air power, about 50%.

And fixed-wing surges in the government are almost 30%.

And here it is.

I'm afraid this is pretty disgraceful to the local board and press.

any questions on matters of that, you know, just to be, you know, not damn it, they are highly nervous, and I don't know if I know what hurts the country.

It moves really any flexibility.

We've been very good about that, you know, kept flexibility and great stress now for a few years.

It's better than this.

Goddamn, we better move now.

This thing pulls off.

This is trying to look like a diplomatic masterpiece, you know.

in the long, long stretch of history of China.

because rushing can't make it through.

Rushing can't make it through time.

That's the way it's going to be.

The United States did come this way.

This is the big question.

Some of those guys see that, don't they?

Oh, they see that now.

The point that I can make is that if the nation is done, we could have a big play out of this.

That's the other question you said.

I can't remember what you said.

I'd say, what about the vision of the United Nations and our recognition of Vietnam?

We have had and heard a great group in terms of .

And we've also made announcements that the United Nations is very consistent with other announcements we've made over a period of time.

This is a step.

However, it would not be helpful in terms of our long-range goal to talk more about other steps in the future.

It's premature.

In fact, the way I would put it is this.

The long-range goal, as I have always stated,

normalization of relations, and the end of the isolation of 800 Chinese from the world community.

However, the means of achieving that goal, what diplomatics and other steps have taken, that's a question of time.

It's premature to talk about that issue.

But how about saying the long range goal is normalization?

Normalization.

Long range goal.

It's all right.

See, I don't want you to say normalization is our goal.

Then you're dead.

Then you want to recognize our long range goal.

It's pretty unsure about this.

The first step toward normalization, toward encapsulation of China is increasing trade.

And then perhaps others should actually come on, but it must be step by step.

Wow.

Is that all right?

You can also get the idea that what's happening now is a result of too many patients.

You shouldn't put too much on that 10 to 2 right now.

You don't want to put on that 10 to 2.

The most significant commentary on the other 19 days of the American press, and through that, was the blitz.

And two months later, he's down to where he was, at Willard.

Now, the point that I made is that that shows you that a lot of these people are for a great many.

We're in a world where there's supposed to be an instant solution to everything.

I know, I'm just very comfortable with it.

Not yet.

Unless it works, huh?

But if it should work, Mr. President, then we can start another one.

I suppose.

All right.

But you had given a great speech on China.

Well, I've stayed prepared, you know.

I mean, suppose I made that good for some of these people.

I thought if you had known the whole package, all this 25, 60, you could do this in one package.

Spectacular.

Nobody believed that it would turn you down.

In these 20 months, we've never given them anything that would turn them down.

They talk about relations, but they don't want to show up on the discussion.

They don't want to show up on the discussion.

If you hold firm against over-confidence, just as you did last week against over-pessimism, if you hold back, then you don't plan too much.

Because they are in such a state of euphoria that they'll think it's modest if they won't think it's good.

I'll take that.

I'll say, now listen to this guy.

I said, now I want to go out and do this now.

Well, I'm going to take that.

I think there are a lot of people out there.

What's the world going to look like?

Oh, yeah.

The United States, Western Europe, the Soviet Union, China, Japan.

Those will be great partners.

And it's essential that we have great support.

And I know there's a generation of these.

Oh, yes.

That kind of stuff.

I mean, I don't know.

It's very, very difficult.

I'm not going to say that you're reassessing our position in the UN.

I'm not going to say that.

You agree?

And I'm not going to say we're reassessing our policy.

Now, all that matters is we have to at least have some fair parts where we know we can or can't do it.

Well, we can't do that.

We can't do that.

I know, but we do.

We do, for some reason.

But we have agreed to put a one-time treatment for military arms, but that has been over.

That's true.

But that has gone through you because of the finance.

Okay.

Anyway, I'll just say that we have...

The Russians have pulled back now again, and they're getting back to the West Bank.

The West Bank, sir?

They began being a little pretty quick now.

You know why?

Hell, yes.

Jesus Christ, I'll tell you.

Don't you believe it?

Oh, yeah.

That's right.

Oh, yeah.

I think it'd be great for them to do it.

Oh, I'm going to say now, over the United States, I think, too, one thing about these isolations and all these crowds, you know, and all the isolation, I'll say we just simply shouldn't get involved in everything that has to come.

We're not going to get involved in this.

Exactly.

And we can get involved.

We were asked to get involved and so on.

We did not.

That wasn't an issue.

We didn't.

All right, fine.

We'll leave it out.

We can say that in this case, this is a very, very tragic part of the world, the conflict between India and Pakistan, the problem of the India-Pakistan relationship with Pakistan.

No good would be served if the United States would get involved in this.

Stay right there.

And, uh, Justice, and then I might want to come along if I get a chance.

I'm sure that's the effort.

That's what he said faster than one person.

Artillery?

All these, uh, borrowers, they would say, well, part of them wanted us to be involved.

That's why we wanted to be involved.

But the state is now on the side of the rebels, on the side of the country.

I think it'd be a tragedy.

There may be a resistance going on there for a while, but I don't think the East Bank counties can win quickly.

Probably they'll get defeated.

If they do become independent, they're going to become... We have no great...

The Bengalis are the most volatile.

And the Indians are willing to release the people of Pakistan.

And because they're scared to death, they think that they're on their own.

The long-term result is that the people, the superiority of the Indians, the people who have really redeemed us from this are the Indians.

Because once the principle is recognized, they're different from the Indians.

That applies much more to India than it does to Pakistan.

Yeah, Pakistan is much more .

Yeah.

But it was just .

Yeah.

But for us to get involved in any of those quarrels .

Well, I'm not going to say we're going to reassess them for a while.

When the programs come up, we'll just look at them as we always do.

We'll evaluate those when the program comes up.

And if it is not yet directed well, that would not be the end of these things.

Everybody I meet was nice to me.

They're the worst.

You better look for him.

I don't know how to do it.

We'll try to keep him.

I'll keep him under control.

And also, tell him.

I appreciate the fact that he kept the product.

You and I have just, tell him just after you got your call, you've just come from a meeting.

You and I have a meeting.

And I broke off.

And here's the message.

We meet at 12 tomorrow.

How's that?

It'll be good to have you in anyway.