Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 250-005
Date: Friday, April 16, 1971 at 9:40 AM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.; Sanchez, Manolo
Recording device: Old Executive Office Building
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/250-005

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[0:01] But you see, these guys,
[0:29] And they live for their clients.
[0:31] That's why I want you to see if they'll like something I've done.
[0:33] And I've done it for just a mile.
[0:35] And you know, I have hope.
[0:36] And, uh, but it'll, I'll bet you, it'll, uh, you know, you'll know that.
[0:39] But, you know, they'll be sold.
[0:40] And they're nice folks, so.
[0:56] And I, I've known him for a long time, so I, I don't know him.
[0:59] So I said, you know, I said, Tom, before we get out of here, I just want to sleep.
[1:02] Come on.
[1:02] I said, sir, I'm waiting for you.
[1:04] I don't want to wake you.
[1:05] Just so that you know that I don't want to wake you.
[1:08] So, I said, sir, I'm waiting for you.
[1:09] I'm waiting for you.
[1:10] I'm waiting for you.
[1:11] I'm waiting for you.
[1:12] I'm waiting for you.
[1:26] And that's the greatest thing that we've done in our lives.
[1:28] I think one way or the other, it's been very cool.
[1:30] I mean, it's been a pleasure.
[1:31] And we're going to have to be careful.
[1:32] I think the chance of us
[1:57] I always told, I told her the last time I was there, that things were very bad, and that people, I only told her the last time I was there, that things were very bad, and she needs to die.
[2:29] After that, we cut away from the wall, rocked out of it.
[2:30] Today, there's no movement at all.
[2:31] They're shaking, aren't they?
[2:32] They're shaking, yes.
[2:32] All the time.
[2:33] All the time.
[2:33] Even those people know it.
[2:34] That's the attack.
[2:35] They're moved, really.
[2:57] I think they will change with the stage.
[3:00] This thing just is an excuse.
[3:02] But you can admit that they will change with the stage.
[3:05] I think you can.
[3:06] I agree with you.
[3:07] Well, we'll just set these on a different time.
[3:09] I know.
[3:10] Oh, yes.
[3:10] Definitely.
[3:27] We don't know how to answer the questions.
[3:30] But we've got a quarter of a year, and we can answer that question, and we can solve the questions.
[3:36] You know, really, the press, though, the Kennedy press conferences were jokes, because they just threw them so close.
[3:42] I mean, they didn't mean any harm to us.
[3:44] And, uh...
[3:53] Our restaurant, which is basically our adversary for scenes, each one of the press is coming in to see if we can get them on the front line.
[3:56] And, uh, but, uh, go down to Buchanan's office and get the copy of the, uh, you know, if you want a copy of the, uh, Kilpatrick column.
[3:59] It's in the mail.
[4:00] It's in the mail.
[4:00] It's in the mail.
[4:00] It's in the mail.
[4:01] It's in the mail.
[4:01] It's in the mail.
[4:02] It's in the mail.
[4:21] Well, you're calling from Harvard.
[4:22] Well, it's a call from Harvard today, and three letters from Yale and Texas, and a piece of the fastest...
[4:24] Which I haven't heard from before, or late.
[4:25] Well, you know...
[4:25] Except with this insured worker.
[4:26] I heard the opposite.
[4:26] They sent me a letter signed by 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
[4:50] The move of Isaac to speak to the church in China gives him an excuse to accept him also.
[4:57] If you had come the other way along the bridge, then China would have accepted you.
[5:01] If you had come the other way along the bridge, then China would have accepted you.
[5:13] I thought he was being strong.
[5:16] Nowadays, he's famous as being a Jew company priest.
[5:19] Sax would be sitting here.
[5:20] He's been out there, but I want you to see him on the ground.
[5:24] He's a very intelligent man.
[5:25] I know him.
[5:25] If that's what I had at your guest talk, I'd like to get his...
[5:46] his son was against him, now his son is for him.
[5:49] But he says, Laos, no.
[5:51] He's just been out there.
[5:52] I think this, I think this, I think Laos, I think Laos, I think Laos,
[6:14] Another bit track is all different.
[6:40] 200 stretcher cases.
[6:41] Another one said 190 wounded at the 25th of March.
[6:44] Uh, seven new medical examiners, 150 wounded.
[6:45] Bistrack 31B, 150 wounded.
[6:46] A U.S. officer said there's 2,000 who are dead.
[6:47] And then on the 30th of March, the pre-insurgency government, Bistrack 32, he called this one, the San Francisco one.
[7:09] 12 vehicles full of wounded personnel in the 40,000 feet area.
[7:10] This is the latest, this time 41.
[7:11] And 66 wounded.
[7:29] The medical section has been treated in the emergency room.
[7:31] It still has 411 wounded in the stadium, waiting to be moved.
[7:32] 9th of April, 17th medical battalion, over 350 wounded.
[7:34] 8th of April, 272 wounded.
[7:34] 10th of April,
[7:58] You know, I was glad.
[7:59] I want you to call Helms and tell him I was glad he needed to speak
[8:26] I thought it was because he stepped up and said, you know, you don't shoot.
[8:28] You just call it and say that I'm the president.
[8:29] It's a very good thing.
[8:30] It's a damn good speech.
[8:30] It's time for the intelligence agencies to stand up and quit being kicked around.
[8:32] Andrew Hubbard, for example, when I thought he was going to say, you know, I thought that he said, well, you honestly think about the president.
[8:36] But I thought, well, I'm going to show him what I did.
[8:56] I said, I don't think you're a Jew.
[8:57] I think you're reporting the truth.
[8:58] But he had a plan.
[8:58] He had a plan where you don't report the truth.
[9:00] But the other time, he said, you know, that's true.
[9:01] He said, now you know that's what I'm going to say.
[9:02] And that shows that the organization has worked.
[9:04] It was done all by the people.
[9:24] I said, well, I don't think they ever put in any good charges.
[9:26] He said, oh, well, but still, it was all ground action.
[9:27] I didn't even know what he was talking about.
[9:28] He said, you know, basically, they held off three Northeastern Christians, the South Eastern Christians, five or six, and now it was admitted that they were all South Eastern Christians.
[9:33] Well, yesterday they reported that they had not trusted the truth, and now they're calling in the South Eastern Christians.
[9:54] That's a big picture.
[9:54] This is an isolated area.
[9:55] He's our friend.
[9:56] He's our friend.
[9:56] He's our friend.
[11:01] The main part is to realize what you're doing.
[11:02] Realize what you're saying.
[11:03] If this failed, it hasn't failed.
[11:04] It may still fail, but if that failed,
[11:32] Of course, I do think this, and I think it's like everything coming together.
[11:35] The China thing, without the speech, would have gotten a half a ride.
[11:37] And it would have looked after them.
[11:39] A good speech would have looked efficient.
[11:41] Because it goes so contrary to the liberal ideology that we should have sent the Chinese off and the Russians.
[12:03] And the Russians have less of that, actually.
[12:05] Take your chances, but especially with Joe and I. I don't think that's that much of a problem.
[12:08] I know it may be just so tough that they won't give you anything.
[12:10] That's my hope.
[12:46] That's a remarkable message.
[12:47] Vietnam, and that's what we saw.
[12:48] Vietnam, we handled directly.
[12:50] Oh, I won't do anything.
[12:50] But I mean, regardless of what you said, the way you said it was a lot more valuable to go directly to the moment you see it.
[12:55] I don't even know whether it's worth waiting for an acceptance of your changes.
[12:58] And what we did check, what we did know, what we did thank you about there.
[13:01] Yeah.
[13:01] What they're all thinking.
[13:15] You may find they're thinking about something and you can't tell them if you're lying to them.
[13:20] But my deal is, as soon as you send them, then I think you make your call.
[13:24] But I don't think you are.
[13:26] I don't want to fool around with them.
[13:29] I don't want to take too long.
[13:30] I kind of heard about the move.
[13:32] Wait a second.
[13:32] I'm not here.
[13:33] Huh?
[13:34] We're not here.
[13:34] Sorry, not here.
[13:35] We've been talking.
[13:36] We've been guessing around.
[13:38] I heard it's going to be in Paris in about 10 days.
[13:41] An inspection will take place.
[13:42] Otherwise, they'll screw around for a while.
[13:45] I don't know, but I said to me, it's an experience that we all do.
[13:48] We have to hope that they come back.
[13:50] They've never come back past it.
[14:19] Also, it wouldn't be.
[14:20] China has more of a preference for English.
[14:21] Some of them are very shy.
[14:49] I think it does right now.
[15:23] Our goal is .
[15:24] Leave it open.
[15:47] And I think the light is essential when we have a photograph.
[15:49] There's a photographer all the time.
[15:50] They say it's a goal.
[15:50] At least for the truth, for one or two minutes, we need this idea.
[15:52] Artists, what do you say?
[16:19] Thank you.
[16:19] Thank you.
[17:00] It's a pleasure having a couple of thoughts in my head.
[17:03] I think that, you know, as a young man, I was going to be charged with regret, too.
[17:25] Lee Hillis, yeah, he's a nice fellow.
[17:26] He's a nice fellow.
[17:27] He's a great, great, great, great friend of Jack Knox.
[17:28] He's a great friend of Jack Knox.
[17:30] He's all right.
[17:30] He's a great friend of mine.
[17:31] Lee Hillis has always been, he's made a great friend of mine.
[17:32] He's always supported me.
[17:33] He's always made a great friend of mine.
[17:35] He's all right.
[17:35] He's a great friend of mine.
[17:49] Now, this will not be for characters.
[18:09] If they ask, I would.
[18:10] I'm just going to say, well, I have nothing to say.
[18:13] I think it will.
[18:14] No, I didn't.
[18:14] Well, no, I just understand.
[18:16] I'll say this.
[18:17] I said it was our position.
[18:36] And it is the Soviet position until we have something to discuss.
[18:39] I'm going to take the Soviet position until we have something to discuss.
[18:41] Just leave it out there.
[18:42] I don't want to lie to you.
[18:43] Oh, there won't be any speculation.
[18:44] I'm just saying, gentlemen, I really have nothing to report here.
[19:06] So they have all the discussions here.
[19:07] Well-prepared.
[19:07] Well-prepared.
[19:29] Except the question is not likely.
[19:30] See, Eric doesn't come that way.
[19:31] He'll ask the way he has to do.
[19:58] I think the question will come from the commissioner.
[20:00] I'm here to say what about the proposal that was agreed with 8 p.m.?
[20:01] I'll say the last day of my position.
[20:02] I'm not a positionary commissioner, but I'm here on an issue that we're very, very comprehensive on the issue of the current second.
[20:05] This is a comprehensive position.
[20:06] We're willing to have any kind of an issue that's less than comprehensive.
[20:28] Now, it seems to me that we ought to take the POW plan.
[20:58] You know, I think we should be saving the person.
[21:00] I mean, it's an impersonal thing.
[21:01] One, you know, we've got a lot of minor priorities going on every day.
[21:03] The field doesn't have all of them.
[21:04] It's an action.
[21:05] It's an impersonal thing.
[21:05] It's an action.
[21:06] It's all of them.
[21:06] It's an action.
[21:07] But I, uh, I would say, you know, the highest priority now is in Paris, but then every other community channel we have.
[21:29] Second, that our goals, as far as we're concerned, we will see the difficulty of the scenario.
[21:34] That question will undoubtedly come to an end when we have an overall response and answer to it.
[21:38] We have stated that we have long discussed the development of the summer.
[21:41] We have long discussed the development of the overall summer.
[21:56] We have no reaction to that at the moment.
[22:01] And we will continue to pursue that.
[22:07] No sudden, they call it control and withdrawal, but our goal of control and withdrawal cannot be achieved unless it's filled with some sort of motivation.
[22:22] But beyond that, I'm satisfied with the result.
[22:25] Well, we can say that we offered to exchange 10 for 1.
[22:28] We've offered 10 for 1.
[22:29] We've offered to give a lot, and we have given up unilaterally.
[22:31] Without any exchange, we've already given up groups with no...
[23:48] In regard to timetables, .
[24:15] I'm afraid to go back to that October 7th.
[25:12] I don't know.
[25:13] I don't know.
[25:13] I don't know.
[25:14] I don't know.
[25:41] Well, that's fine, yes, but I mean, they were really, you know, really, you know, if that ever is, if we get Peter, well, I'm just saying, if we get the song, if we get the song.
[25:45] I just don't see the direction of it.
[25:45] I just think for the president, it would be such a spectacular.
[25:47] They are, they are, I'm sure, they look, they do see themselves as a little bit.
[26:09] If you have an American president in the United States, that's to them to find the greatest capital of our country.
[26:16] And if you think that Tito would go to NASA to do that, well, then, for these communists, it's just as good a friend as a friend.
[26:23] I'm going to go.
[26:24] I'm going to go.
[26:25] I'm going to go.
[26:35] I will not go.
[26:35] I'll stay down.
[26:36] I've got to do a couple of things.
[26:37] I think they couldn't afford it.
[26:38] I was fighting them.
[26:39] They controlled Moscow.
[26:39] I'll be very, very proud of what we've done.
[26:41] We've done a very, very big risk.
[26:42] And, oh, it's embarrassing.
[26:42] There was absolutely nothing.
[27:01] Spurs lost.
[27:01] They'll control them.
[27:02] Moscow will be cold as ice.
[27:04] They won't do it.
[27:05] They'll want to do it.
[27:07] Respectfully.
[27:08] They'll want to do it.
[27:09] They'll want to do it.
[27:10] I forget.
[27:10] If you go to Moscow, you're out of Moscow.
[27:13] You're out of California.
[27:15] I know what happened here.
[27:17] It's not good.
[27:18] The same will happen.
[27:31] I know, I know.
[27:32] Russia was quite a receptionist.
[27:34] It was born in Ukraine.
[27:35] If we could ever, if we had Ukraine in the place of our lives, we did anyway.
[27:38] But I can assure you, I know Russia, I've been there too many times.
[27:42] That damn place out of Moscow, those Russians, they love Americans.
[27:45] You'll see the American president come out of the military prison and shut them.
[27:49] Thank you.
[27:49] Losing an office, you know, that's what I want.
[27:51] You know, you should always be nice to me.
[28:01] They still do.
[28:27] No, there's more going on here, but the old adjuncts of the other nations, all the young people, intellectuals and communists who were against communism and all the intellectuals are really important.
[28:35] That's the great commentary of our time.
[28:36] On this matter of timetables, I'm just simply going to say that I know what you're going to do.
[28:40] I'm interested in what goes.
[28:41] You're disgusting.
[28:41] I will say that.
[28:42] Listen, I'm not going to discuss it.
[28:43] I think that's the best thing to say.
[28:56] And that I, the gentleman and I, I think also, you know one thing that I put in, I'm glad I did, I know Kenneth didn't want it in, because it was very important to us.
[29:00] Where I said, I expect it to be held accountable.
[29:02] That is an enormous investment.
[29:03] I think that was a good thing.
[29:20] I hope I'm not giving any away.
[29:22] You'll be held accountable.
[29:24] In the election, you're held accountable.
[29:27] In history, you're held accountable.
[29:29] So what's that all about?
[29:31] Let's see what you are.
[29:32] Mm-hmm.
[29:32] I don't know if that's what matters to you.
[30:20] That's a good idea.
[30:20] I can tell him that I'm closer today, but I can do it from breakfast to the morning.
[30:23] I think that's an excellent idea.
[30:24] He can do it from breakfast to the morning.
[30:26] I can do it from breakfast to the morning.
[30:27] Well, I can do it from breakfast to the morning.
[30:29] But I'll see what I can do.
[30:30] Don't change your approach again.
[30:31] You've got to look back and look back at the back of your head.
[30:33] And I'll tell you now if you're like, I'm going to die.
[30:35] Because really, we might want to go to the Shia.
[30:37] Huh?
[30:38] You shouldn't go to the Shia.
[30:39] No, no, no.
[30:49] Well, tell him, call him and say that we're checking it out and that I'll have a message for him in the morning.
[30:54] I'll tell him that we've got the message and that we're checking it out.
[30:57] And that he had breakfast in the morning and that he could have a message.
[30:59] Fair enough.
[31:00] I don't want to see him today.
[31:01] I've got to keep him on the phone.
[31:02] You can keep him on the phone.
[31:20] That's a half of it.
[31:20] And that I, but also hold on to the fact, other than the president, that I thought the first thing, I thought the statement was exactly right.
[31:30] So it's just so much that the world is changing immediately.
[31:34] But I think if we appear too anxious, the Chinese will draw back.
[31:38] I don't want to appear too anxious.
[31:50] that I have very much in mind.
[31:52] The idea of sometimes the exchange that is very much in mind.
[31:54] But it's a question of time.
[31:54] It's a question of time.
[31:55] And I do not, but I think it should be under the, it should be under our auspices.
[31:58] It'll help more rather than cheating from us.
[31:59] Well, I'd like to.
[32:27] I like my meeting.
[32:54] But I don't want you to feel you can't see me.
[32:56] But you can give me breakfast tomorrow if it's useful.
[32:58] After all, I have a free breakfast.
[32:59] You can come in tomorrow.
[33:01] I love Monday.
[33:01] We'll come in.
[33:02] Again, tell it to me.
[33:02] You can come in tomorrow.
[33:03] Anytime tomorrow.
[33:04] Tell them that I approve.
[33:04] That I have a full schedule.
[33:05] That I'm good.
[33:06] That you can come in around 12 o'clock tomorrow.
[33:07] That I would welcome the change to 12 o'clock.
[33:23] in confidence about this thing you and I can see together.
[33:26] Come in and look, if you're tired of this stuff, then I can help you out.
[33:29] We have some ideas, and we'd like to explore them.
[33:31] You see, Mansfield has done a beautiful position here.
[33:33] We kept talking about them all along.
[33:34] I said, Mike, something's going on in China.
[33:37] Every one of those practices, and everyone knows what it is there.
[33:39] So now,
[33:50] you should start the conversation first with the president.
[33:52] You were what knew that something was happening to girls here in this state.
[33:54] Second, if you find your state very responsible, and that's exactly the way to play, we want to get them to come here.
[33:57] That is, if we appear too agonistic, it will drive them away.
[33:58] And also, it will not be helpful in other games we play.
[33:59] It will appear like an indirect, and I assume it will come back to play.
[34:21] The third thing is that, however, that this may be moving, it may be factored in with that.
[34:25] And we, I have in mind, the angle that we talked about, but that is the time approaches.
[34:29] But I think that at the end of the day, it's the right time and it could well come quite soon.
[34:49] because they were waiting past the election.
[34:50] But I think that the I think would be a bad, long auspices .
[34:51] Well, before we call it that, I'd like to go over to the other question, Mr. Ferguson.
[34:53] Well, I can't call it right away.
[35:14] On the private timetable, the residual force is a little air-powered.
[35:19] Well, now we have a very high air power, about 50%.
[35:22] And fixed-wing surges in the government are almost 30%.
[35:25] And here it is.
[35:26] I'm afraid this is pretty disgraceful to the local board and press.
[35:44] any questions on matters of that, you know, just to be, you know, not damn it, they are highly nervous, and I don't know if I know what hurts the country.
[35:56] It moves really any flexibility.
[35:59] We've been very good about that, you know, kept flexibility and great stress now for a few years.
[36:04] It's better than this.
[36:06] Goddamn, we better move now.
[36:07] This thing pulls off.
[36:08] This is trying to look like a diplomatic masterpiece, you know.
[36:15] in the long, long stretch of history of China.
[36:42] because rushing can't make it through.
[36:44] Rushing can't make it through time.
[36:49] That's the way it's going to be.
[36:52] The United States did come this way.
[36:54] This is the big question.
[36:55] Some of those guys see that, don't they?
[36:57] Oh, they see that now.
[36:58] The point that I can make is that if the nation is done, we could have a big play out of this.
[37:04] That's the other question you said.
[37:06] I can't remember what you said.
[37:13] I'd say, what about the vision of the United Nations and our recognition of Vietnam?
[37:19] We have had and heard a great group in terms of .
[37:23] And we've also made announcements that the United Nations is very consistent with other announcements we've made over a period of time.
[37:43] This is a step.
[37:44] However, it would not be helpful in terms of our long-range goal to talk more about other steps in the future.
[37:49] It's premature.
[37:50] In fact, the way I would put it is this.
[37:53] The long-range goal, as I have always stated,
[38:13] normalization of relations, and the end of the isolation of 800 Chinese from the world community.
[38:21] However, the means of achieving that goal, what diplomatics and other steps have taken, that's a question of time.
[38:28] It's premature to talk about that issue.
[38:31] It's premature to talk about that issue.
[38:39] But how about saying the long range goal is normalization?
[38:44] Normalization.
[38:45] Long range goal.
[38:46] It's all right.
[38:47] See, I don't want you to say normalization is our goal.
[38:52] Then you're dead.
[38:53] Then you want to recognize our long range goal.
[38:56] It's pretty unsure about this.
[38:58] The first step toward normalization, toward encapsulation of China is increasing trade.
[39:07] And then perhaps others should actually come on, but it must be step by step.
[39:11] Wow.
[39:11] Is that all right?
[39:12] You can also get the idea that what's happening now is a result of too many patients.
[39:17] You shouldn't put too much on that 10 to 2 right now.
[39:20] You don't want to put on that 10 to 2.
[40:08] The most significant commentary on the other 19 days of the American press, and through that, was the blitz.
[40:35] And two months later, he's down to where he was, at Willard.
[40:39] Now, the point that I made is that that shows you that a lot of these people are for a great many.
[40:44] We're in a world where there's supposed to be an instant solution to everything.
[41:05] I know, I'm just very comfortable with it.
[41:07] Not yet.
[41:08] Unless it works, huh?
[41:09] But if it should work, Mr. President, then we can start another one.
[41:11] I suppose.
[41:12] All right.
[41:12] But you had given a great speech on China.
[41:15] Well, I've stayed prepared, you know.
[41:17] I mean, suppose I made that good for some of these people.
[41:32] I thought if you had known the whole package, all this 25, 60, you could do this in one package.
[41:37] Spectacular.
[41:38] Nobody believed that it would turn you down.
[41:41] In these 20 months, we've never given them anything that would turn them down.
[41:45] They talk about relations, but they don't want to show up on the discussion.
[41:49] They don't want to show up on the discussion.
[41:51] They don't want to show up on the discussion.
[41:53] They don't want to show up on the discussion.
[41:56] They don't want to show up on the discussion.
[41:58] They don't want to show up on the discussion.
[42:01] If you hold firm against over-confidence, just as you did last week against over-pessimism, if you hold back, then you don't plan too much.
[42:10] Because they are in such a state of euphoria that they'll think it's modest if they won't think it's good.
[42:17] I'll take that.
[42:18] I'll say, now listen to this guy.
[42:20] I said, now I want to go out and do this now.
[42:25] Well, I'm going to take that.
[42:27] I think there are a lot of people out there.
[42:31] What's the world going to look like?
[42:33] Oh, yeah.
[42:34] The United States, Western Europe, the Soviet Union, China, Japan.
[42:37] Those will be great partners.
[42:38] And it's essential that we have great support.
[42:40] And I know there's a generation of these.
[42:42] Oh, yes.
[42:42] That kind of stuff.
[42:43] I mean, I don't know.
[42:44] It's very, very difficult.
[42:58] I'm not going to say that you're reassessing our position in the UN.
[43:00] I'm not going to say that.
[43:01] You agree?
[43:02] And I'm not going to say we're reassessing our policy.
[43:04] Now, all that matters is we have to at least have some fair parts where we know we can or can't do it.
[43:09] Well, we can't do that.
[43:09] We can't do that.
[43:25] I know, but we do.
[43:27] We do, for some reason.
[43:28] But we have agreed to put a one-time treatment for military arms, but that has been over.
[43:33] That's true.
[43:34] But that has gone through you because of the finance.
[43:38] Okay.
[43:38] Anyway, I'll just say that we have...
[43:42] The Russians have pulled back now again, and they're getting back to the West Bank.
[43:48] The West Bank, sir?
[43:50] They began being a little pretty quick now.
[43:52] You know why?
[43:56] Hell, yes.
[43:57] Jesus Christ, I'll tell you.
[43:58] Don't you believe it?
[43:59] Oh, yeah.
[44:00] That's right.
[44:01] Oh, yeah.
[44:01] I think it'd be great for them to do it.
[44:04] Oh, I'm going to say now, over the United States, I think, too, one thing about these isolations and all these crowds, you know, and all the isolation, I'll say we just simply shouldn't get involved in everything that has to come.
[44:15] We're not going to get involved in this.
[44:17] Exactly.
[44:23] And we can get involved.
[44:25] We were asked to get involved and so on.
[44:27] We did not.
[44:28] That wasn't an issue.
[44:30] We didn't.
[44:30] All right, fine.
[44:31] We'll leave it out.
[44:33] We can say that in this case, this is a very, very tragic part of the world, the conflict between India and Pakistan, the problem of the India-Pakistan relationship with Pakistan.
[44:45] No good would be served if the United States would get involved in this.
[44:53] Stay right there.
[44:55] And, uh, Justice, and then I might want to come along if I get a chance.
[45:01] I'm sure that's the effort.
[45:04] That's what he said faster than one person.
[45:08] Artillery?
[45:08] All these, uh, borrowers, they would say, well, part of them wanted us to be involved.
[45:17] That's why we wanted to be involved.
[45:21] But the state is now on the side of the rebels, on the side of the country.
[45:28] I think it'd be a tragedy.
[45:29] There may be a resistance going on there for a while, but I don't think the East Bank counties can win quickly.
[45:39] Probably they'll get defeated.
[45:43] If they do become independent, they're going to become... We have no great...
[45:50] The Bengalis are the most volatile.
[45:53] And the Indians are willing to release the people of Pakistan.
[45:58] And because they're scared to death, they think that they're on their own.
[46:03] The long-term result is that the people, the superiority of the Indians, the people who have really redeemed us from this are the Indians.
[46:12] Because once the principle is recognized, they're different from the Indians.
[46:19] That applies much more to India than it does to Pakistan.
[46:23] Yeah, Pakistan is much more .
[46:25] Yeah.
[46:26] But it was just .
[46:27] Yeah.
[46:28] But for us to get involved in any of those quarrels .
[46:47] Well, I'm not going to say we're going to reassess them for a while.
[46:52] When the programs come up, we'll just look at them as we always do.
[46:56] We'll evaluate those when the program comes up.
[46:59] And if it is not yet directed well, that would not be the end of these things.
[47:17] Everybody I meet was nice to me.
[47:18] They're the worst.
[47:19] You better look for him.
[47:20] I don't know how to do it.
[47:21] I don't know how to do it.
[47:22] We'll try to keep him.
[47:23] I'll keep him under control.
[47:24] I'll keep him under control.
[47:25] I'll keep him under control.
[47:26] And also, tell him.
[47:45] I appreciate the fact that he kept the product.
[47:48] You and I have just, tell him just after you got your call, you've just come from a meeting.
[47:53] You and I have a meeting.
[47:55] And I broke off.
[47:57] And here's the message.
[47:58] We meet at 12 tomorrow.
[48:00] How's that?
[48:01] It'll be good to have you in anyway.