{"conversationCode":"251-024","tapeNumber":251,"conversationNumber":24,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-251-024","startDateTime":"1971-04-29T13:50:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-04-29T14:24:00.000Z","startDate":"29-Apr-1971","startTime":"9:50 AM","endDate":"29-Apr-1971","endTime":"10:24 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On April 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 9:50 am and 10:24 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 251-024 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 251-24\n\nDate: April 29, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 9:50 am and 10:24 am\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with an H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n\n     Unknown man’s location\n\n     Paris peace talks\n           -Dr. David K. E. Bruce\n                 -Statement on refugees\n           -John A. Scali\n     News story\n           -Television\n           -Charles W. Colson\n           -Raymond K. Price, Jr.\n\n     Preparation for President’s forthcoming visit to US Marines at Camp Pendleton, California,\n          April 30, 1971\n          -Unknown man and Scali\n          -Location\n\n     President’s schedule\n          -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo\n          -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis\n\n     News\n         -John B. Connally\n              -Internal Revenue Service [appointment for commissioner]\n\n     Connally\n\n     Staff\n\n     Foreign relations\n          -Charles W. Bray, III statement\n          -President’s meeting with editors [American Society of Newspaper Editors]\n          -Instructions for William P. Rogers\n          -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]\n                -Use of word “dividend”\n                -People’s Republic of China [PRC] relations\n          -PRC initiative\n\n[A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under court order from\nDecember 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access [SA] 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al. v.\nJames M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records Administration\nproduced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]\n\n[End of transcript]\n     Instructions for Haldeman to have Clark MacGregor call unknown person [George D.\n           Aiken]","filename":["251-024.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:22:30","tapeEnd":"02:28:01","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"251-023","nextCode":"251-025","transcript":[{"start":0.13,"end":2.85,"text":"He's still up there."},{"start":2.87,"end":2.97,"text":"I'll..."},{"start":2.99,"end":9.18,"text":"I'll get him on the phone and have him give the call, will you please?"},{"start":11.23,"end":16.31,"text":"I see there's something on that Bruce is going to do on refugees in Paris today."},{"start":16.91,"end":23.79,"text":"Now, have you done anything to tell Scali about this so that you'll try to get it arrived to?"},{"start":23.85,"end":24.05,"text":"Not yet."},{"start":24.15,"end":24.67,"text":"It's the 29th."},{"start":24.69,"end":28.16,"text":"I don't hear anything on the radio about it yet."},{"start":28.18,"end":33.04,"text":"So I just want to be sure that our people know that this is not just to be popped in there for nothing."},{"start":34.08,"end":35.1,"text":"Scali is in charge."},{"start":35.32,"end":36.6,"text":"He has responsibility, right?"},{"start":39.23,"end":43.34,"text":"See, he can try to see how he can get this stuff in the road, like a ride."},{"start":43.36,"end":45.76,"text":"He's a coward, man."},{"start":45.78,"end":47.06,"text":"He's a coward."},{"start":47.08,"end":48.86,"text":"Well, I know he's a comedian."},{"start":48.88,"end":49.98,"text":"He's a character, you know."},{"start":50.51,"end":53.13,"text":"Well, he's a little bit like a crazy son of a bitch."},{"start":53.15,"end":54.53,"text":"You know what I'm saying?"},{"start":54.61,"end":55.09,"text":"He's all crazy."},{"start":55.23,"end":57.93,"text":"You know what I'm saying?"},{"start":57.95,"end":58.76,"text":"And he pulls it, right?"},{"start":60.02,"end":68.77,"text":"You don't have any thought that I should do that to you?"},{"start":73.34,"end":73.62,"text":"Fine."},{"start":73.64,"end":77.12,"text":"Let me just understand whether you, Scali, or anybody else have any idea I should do that."},{"start":77.18,"end":81.4,"text":"If they expect to make the speech, then I've got to start preparing one."},{"start":81.48,"end":87,"text":"In my view, I walk in the division and I have to do it in five minutes or less."},{"start":87.08,"end":88.32,"text":"You understand?"},{"start":88.34,"end":92.02,"text":"In there in the sun, it's going to be hotter than hell."},{"start":92.04,"end":94.16,"text":"I don't have any other following."},{"start":95.38,"end":96.46,"text":"The point is, it's outside."},{"start":97.94,"end":98.8,"text":"Or am I wrong?"},{"start":98.9,"end":103.71,"text":"Isn't it an outside affair of they're all standing at attention?"},{"start":103.73,"end":105.85,"text":"As you, I'm studying for a restaurant off of Harrison."},{"start":107.77,"end":108.11,"text":"You know?"},{"start":109.31,"end":111.28,"text":"Or is that still standing there?"},{"start":112.65,"end":116.61,"text":"I'll work that out in the morning."},{"start":116.64,"end":118.58,"text":"That would be good."},{"start":118.7,"end":125,"text":"You've got to hold it back and off of those people."},{"start":125.1,"end":127.12,"text":"Sorry."},{"start":127.17,"end":130.01,"text":"They're going to come up and go out with you."},{"start":130.03,"end":133.77,"text":"They're out there."},{"start":135.06,"end":140.04,"text":"I think anything else in terms of your ."},{"start":159.27,"end":166.17,"text":"I said, go, tell me about that, because I want him to be aware about it."},{"start":166.19,"end":172.2,"text":"I said, Eric, that's pretty good description of common, isn't it?"},{"start":172.24,"end":173.56,"text":"Never uncertain."},{"start":173.7,"end":175.76,"text":"But, you know, how we train him, he is."},{"start":176.42,"end":185.97,"text":"You said most of our people sit around, they're, well, they can't be uncertain, but they sound uncertain because they're so goddamn unorganized."},{"start":186,"end":188.37,"text":"You know, those that don't speak up."},{"start":188.39,"end":188.81,"text":"I said, Eric,"},{"start":189.87,"end":193.37,"text":"You know what I mean?"},{"start":193.43,"end":194.25,"text":"Right."},{"start":194.77,"end":196.19,"text":"Right."},{"start":196.29,"end":196.91,"text":"On and on."},{"start":215.52,"end":216.22,"text":"Just say nothing."},{"start":217,"end":222.16,"text":"They often say, God damn it, I covered it, the editor's saying, the president covered it, and that's it."},{"start":222.18,"end":228.93,"text":"But that's what I want you to tell Bill, that I'm going to say the same thing, and I'm going to be very tough on that."},{"start":228.95,"end":232.57,"text":"I covered this situation, and that's all we're going to say right now."},{"start":232.63,"end":240.43,"text":"It may hurt his soul, or maybe it may hurt his disaster, his assassination."},{"start":240.47,"end":242.01,"text":"And not the law, but sharpening it."},{"start":242.61,"end":244.05,"text":"Not just because of the talking."},{"start":244.13,"end":244.94,"text":"Not because of what we do."},{"start":245,"end":245.8,"text":"They all respect what we do."},{"start":245.84,"end":249.8,"text":"But the dividend should not have been said."},{"start":249.82,"end":251.06,"text":"It's a bad word."},{"start":252.12,"end":255.37,"text":"It lends itself to that interpretation, though."},{"start":255.39,"end":258.65,"text":"Using the word dividend means we would welcome it."},{"start":258.67,"end":259.47,"text":"We don't want to say it."},{"start":260.35,"end":262.31,"text":"That's not our intent."},{"start":262.35,"end":263.77,"text":"We want the relations of both."},{"start":263.87,"end":268.6,"text":"We want them to have good relations with each other, period."},{"start":268.64,"end":271.82,"text":"Everything else he said was just from his mind."},{"start":271.84,"end":279.44,"text":"I guess I could put it more in terms of trying to get others to follow exactly what I say and lay off for a while."},{"start":281.12,"end":288.73,"text":"Regarding that, regarding the demonstrators and so forth, there's nothing further on that that I need to know."},{"start":289.11,"end":290.63,"text":"That's it."},{"start":291.31,"end":294.56,"text":"What else do we have?"},{"start":297.04,"end":298.86,"text":"We never know what's going on, where we've been hit."},{"start":299.72,"end":300.78,"text":"We went right out of sight."},{"start":300.8,"end":303.72,"text":"It's not helpful."},{"start":304.28,"end":306.26,"text":"We can't call the police."},{"start":306.3,"end":310.12,"text":"Our policy is to call the police."},{"start":310.14,"end":311.85,"text":"Maybe let McGregor call them."},{"start":311.88,"end":314.15,"text":"Maybe McGregor needs to call them."},{"start":314.51,"end":316.21,"text":"That's better."},{"start":316.45,"end":317.87,"text":"That's better."},{"start":317.91,"end":318.59,"text":"That's better."},{"start":319.31,"end":319.79,"text":"That's better."},{"start":319.93,"end":320.77,"text":"That's better."},{"start":323.19,"end":324.27,"text":"That's better."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. 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