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I think it's inflationary, so... Well, it must be a thing of looking forward if you're tolerating the shock.

I mean, if you're going to fly out on a...

Oh, you have to make a stop.

but I just think that's just great.

I just don't think it'll be as done in class, but I find I think another way of doing it is keeping it one of the different styles.

I was just, the, I began listening to this when I was in the president's office, and I wanted to know, speaking of that actually,

And I said to him that he should, that the audience should know the Chinese.

You know what I'm saying?

You can't just about everything you say.

You know where you got this from.

You can't just about everything you say.

You know where you got this from.

Every day, if I'm trying to tell you something, I said, you know, it's hard.

It's hard.

Nothing to do with the Chinese, except the question is, do you think there's any sense in negotiating this deal?

Even if I'm the president, do we trust one person?

That's it, always.

That's what I'm saying.

That's all I'm saying.

You would promise me that you would resign right away.

The only thing is, if I don't take that deal, I'm going to do it.

Is that it?

See how we can front about bureaucracies if we want to deal, we can.

So the negotiations started in the context of the negotiation.

And because I told him, I said, look, if you don't sign the letter, do that back in Vienna, which is where we want to put you anyway.

The letter says that you should negotiate it in Vienna with the presidential congressman.

I don't see how you will in a presidential race, Mr. President.

The debate is going to be in a little bit of detail now.

I don't know what you think, though, Mr. President.

Those friends of mine, they're very thoughtful.

In return, they're keeping what they've already got.

And then we have to build one more.

And build one more thing.

I think we're better off if that, if we decide on that imbalance.

Because I didn't even know each other since I talked to you the other day.

I love you.

That's my way to read a game.

if that is the case on the moderate APM.

I should set up an agreement on their part to agree to clearly follow up on all that's been said.

Even though we did hear from them, it's worth it.

Undoubtedly.

And here it is worth it.

Real.

But I mean, it's worth it.

You could testify.

That's my point.

Here they are.

They're ahead.

If you were a chief politician,

It's a move now.

I think it will help you in the long run.

It is expecting you more.

It takes me to the Pakistan Basin for this.

It's a traffic hunt now.

And you realize you're sitting in a spot.

And I expect it.

And I know you don't underestimate the significance of this.

And I say nicely that I've spent this sleepless night

to try and see how I could help you.

Now, this view is a tea man.

Oh, yeah.

He says, I don't know where he got that.

He said, large and custom.

He said, rules has the disadvantage of these environments.

It's a very nice one.

He said, I should go.

All right.

Sure.

uh, my whole current view is, if you're not in success, so, then it would be an argument against you, like, uh, I would, my answer would be, if you're not in success, so, then it would be an argument against you, like, uh, I would, my answer would be, if you're not in success, so, then it would be an argument against you, like, uh,

Advantage is high visibility.

One step away from the government.

Nobody can really say they grumble and deem the bench, but nevertheless, they have to control the visibility.

Negotiate.

That's what it all is.

That's what it is.

You just won't probably know to negotiate, rather than...

There's one problem with the Rockefeller hands.

You may not really hear it, but...

Oh, I can't play him.

I don't get to send him anyway.

I mean, the guy here, like you said, is home.

But the way you can do that is...

on the ground.

What is it?

See, for the best sake, what we shouldn't have is known about it.

I have also announced that it shouldn't be the work of other businessmen.

I have the purpose to have an emissary to discuss problems.

And out of that, the visit should come as a sensation.

I think they're going to bomb.

I'm sorry, but we've got to deal with the Russians.

The Russians are almost too damn much trouble.

As far as Saul is concerned, his dad, the Russians, let us suppose that they come back and kill his son.

It's impossible.

I did the brain and race on it today.

I just did brain and race on it.

I said, you know, let's see.

I just can't help going right out and out there, you know.

So, that's my voice.

My voice is just better than what we've been talking about in the past, you know.

It's the best I've done.

In fact, we broke it for me, the Chinese, and then, you know, it wasn't for me.

It was basically for any, you know, any, uh,

I really think he could do it.

I mean, I really think if we could get them to take him, then we could do it.

He could do it.

That isn't the worst problem.

The worst problem is joining the Vietnam Invasion.

It was.

That's why the artist's page was in the desert.

All these pages were in the desert.

He said, you're looking for John to be a constructive member.

He told me, he said it was a way.

That says that the people there couldn't imagine what's about to come.

What about what?

Well, the price for us is worth it for everybody.

The price is worth one thing if you do it, because you are a tough play.

They all know that.

um is

And then we had another guy that was kind of, that he liked.

He was pretty funny.

But he read about what you call a tunnel in China.

And he said, I don't know about it, I suppose, but around China or something.

And he read China a lot.

And he said, I read a few things about it.

And I tried to apply it to the story.

And the way it goes, the boat goes to China, but it doesn't go all the way.

It goes to one side or the other.

That's a perfect position.

Must be a

I'm not going to sell you one.

I'm not going to sell you any more than that.

That's not good.

You sell off cheap.

I'm not going to, but I'm trying to look for you.

Listen, I'm trying to look for you.

I accept the one thing that they ask about Tom, and I'm simply going to brush it off by saying that we, of course, we will make an agreement.

I don't think I'll go on and go into a lot of chattel pie on that even in the United Nations and all that stuff.

We will keep our view as far as to speculate about all those problems.

I think that's the best thing to say.

Because we're not used to

They know damn well we've got to save that punch in the Chinese government.

And that bullshit is a bargain on social security when they maintain our security.

We're not going to talk about any China policy.

We're going to talk about the U.N. policy.

We're going to share it.

And we're going to share it.

I will not talk about that one because it's getting to the second level.

And we have two of them that are on our list.

The China policy is pretty much more than that.

So that we are better at planning our activities.

And you have to get into active action.

The China policy is going to have us in a confrontation with China every year.

We're going to see that happen.

That's the goal.

More market value to stick with our policy.

We could have it.

That would change.

That would be a game-changer.

That's what's going to go on right now.

I'm sure that you'll see if you take good time.

Well, I mean, I may have to go all the way.

But you have to realize that we let ourselves get a little longer.

It's a very important question.

You always consider that.

And that is you.

And you have to make the move.

We just move ahead and then we'll come back.

My recommendation, incidentally, is that it's the way to work out the technical benefits.

If we have to communicate with travel, then you always have to look outside.

But that's my understanding.

You don't get it.

I really prefer Bruce in many forms of view, but the only disadvantage is I don't know whether they take him.

But if they don't take him, it would take four weeks.

And if they have a debate about it, it would be best not to do something that they think is tricky.

If Bruce were in retirement, it would be the ideal.

Bruce was such an ass.

It's unthinkable.

He's some senior guy that we can't control.

Really, he's the best man.

He's a must-have.

He never understands the big game.

Frivolous.

He played both sides.

Even on the track, I checked.

He laughed back at everything.

It's just, I don't know.

That didn't matter to me.

I checked, of course.

Of course.

I, uh, I don't know.

I don't know.

The only one who really has the character to do it.

All of them, all of them, all of them, all of them, all of them, all of them, all of them, all of them, all of them, all of them, all of them,

You make problems with the best in the world, and everybody says, you're a brawler, you're serious, and you're all about China.

Listen, I love China.

They are the best.

They're the best.

And they've become certain on everybody I know.

Now, Nelson.

I love Nelson.

Nelson, you're welcome.

Nelson, do you have a program?

I'm just not sure.

Well, one session, do you have a program?

I'll see if it gets over there.

He's not going to have a conversation with them, then all of a sudden I'm not getting help.

He's trying to put us in touch with the Vietnamese.

They look at it, they talk about it, and then after six weeks they say yes, but after four weeks they say no.

That's what motorists do.

How about pulling groups out of Paris?

No, no, no.

They just don't get enough time.

It's the best time.

So that we can talk to people

Yeah, it was big and stupid.

No, it's, uh, it's a, it's a, it's a thing about, uh, really, Christ's sake, I can get back 20 years of your life and make 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,

Nelson May, I just don't know whether he's got the, you know what I mean, there's so much writing on it.

He's over and screwed up.

That would have an enormous impact.

What worries me, he might do it if he could write a script for it.

If he had to write that, he's got that very quick, sure.

That's the best man in the whole world.

Nelson May.

the opportunity to rush around and kiss Chinese feet.

Now that's, that's the conclusion.

That I'm not worried about.

What worries me is supposing they, supposing they pick up, supposing they throw him a hooker, and it sounds reasonable to them, but he doesn't want any of the other negotiators.

He can't turn the facts around.

If that's not the strategy, they all can't do that.

It turns out that that's something that's been around for hundreds of years.

Throwing a hooker is not negotiable.

I don't want you to rule out the possibility.

I know that it seems impossible.

It seems impossible.

It's a greater risk.

It's impossible to rule out the possibility.

The possibility of having a preliminary order else.

and then having me go.

Just, you know what I mean?

Just set up the timetable and all that sort of thing.

But it's, uh, there's no problem.

We've been there in meeting without publicity or business.

You know?

Obviously, we wanted plenty of publicity.

Oh, we were better off without all of the understanding.

Which is what I'm trying to say.

That I'm going to go.

My point is that, you see, the thing... Well, that may be a way to tell them, Bruce.

We could tell them.

I mean, we could tell them, Bruce.

There are some displaces of saying...

The president was wrong.

No.

We could say, Bruce.

We can't say, Bruce.

There are two people whom we are prepared to let talk to.

Kissinger, who cannot go to P.K.

for many years.

But he was willing to meet any person who designated him.

...secretly in any... ...mutually... ...in any... ...in any... ...in any... ...in any... ...in any... ...in any... ...in any... ...in any...

That would be a rather good group.

He would also be empowered to discuss the language of the magical group that groups can choose.

We can play it in terms of you offering him the legal one, which is what you said earlier.

You could offer him a private visit, a private where you would sit down with her and discuss

the official modalities of a presidential visit.

But with a hiring person.

And he would go to what?

He would go around Indiana.

I think that's a nice thing to be doing.

I guess it's harder in Carolina, too.

Oh, yeah.

For me to do that, you'd have to send me to Vietnam.

And then you'd go on the way back, stopping Delhi, all those people there.

And it would work out.

But then the way to phrase it would be to say, this way to settle these issues for the President, the President has to require that the territory which the President, whichever he seeks,

which the President of the United States will not be able to convey, usually for people like Jack.

For example, I will pin Jack, or any other person, on other people.

And if they are prepared to send a secret emissary to them, the public emissary in the Senate, to keep him, have the best man we have as rules, but they will not mention to the President of the United States.

And they get either me secretly, the President of the public, or those public emissaries,

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I hear you.

No, I see your point.

Yeah, my visit would have to come next spring.

I agree.

So that is the problem, and that is the problem, and that is that we then do not use this occasion for the big flood.

We do not use it for the occasion of stopping the goddamn war.

Oh, yes, we do.

You do it in a private meeting.

I would tell the former minister, the president of the town, I must hang on to this thing.

Yes, the president will be prepared to discuss it.

I want to do a general statement.

My idea comes to the attention of the country.

The country wants to give me support in 17,000 taxes.

And we must get it settled.

That's why we wanted to meet with you today.

And I hope that you will get the chance to support me in that way.

Thank you.

Another advantage of my meeting with them anywhere is that I could have covered which politicians they must be seeing.

These guys, they have a much greater advantage.

These guys are crows, you know that, even on the bush and that.

I don't think the public, I don't think they're all going to understand.

I think the best way to do it is to say, look, we're going to have a presidential visit.

We'd like to have a, I'll send my top man, but to arrange that visit, don't talk all about the time, but to arrange that visit that I compared to send Dr. Kissinger, right?

They should send a man of equal rank, with full power, to discuss the problems.

and that they meet when you're prepared to meet in the raw pending.

Now, incidentally, then the logic would have to do that.

If you go from, go to Midway, no, you don't need to wait to do that.

You just go right on around with, right after you go to Paris, you just might flip all over the raw pending, go to Vietnam, go around the world.

It wouldn't happen before the end of the war.

Then go to Midway Village, and then you and Haig go on off.

Well, it's easy to do, Mr. President.

We don't have to worry about that.

But also avoid all the bureaucratic... Now, what is the disadvantage, you see, of a personal MSR?

going public is that we're on the hell of a spot.

It might fail.

Or as a private emissary.

I don't, I don't.

Henry, Henry, let me say, there is a risk.

Yeah, yeah.

They're scared of the Russians.

It's got to be it.

The Russians

The way they put it to them was loud.

They knew that it was.

And they're afraid of the fact that another great man has nothing to do with publication.

That until you visit is announced, you can do leashes and thighs and jacks.

No, actually, that's the most insidious way of doing it.

There he is.

And actually, I don't want to prove my own fault, but I happen to be the only one who knows all the negotiations.

Okay, well, fine.

I know that.

Nobody else can really handle it.

Bruce could, if he had time for training.

But in your case, I think that the idea of a secret meeting, that you think the meeting should be done at Broward County, but the idea being, but the way I would do it, in order to freeze it, is to wait too long in the answer.

And we might get it in a week.

so that we get this thing rolling.

Physically possible.

I'll answer to that.

If we think, we think of the way.

In other words, Henry, let's not let time waste too long.

No, no, no.

Now that we've got the formula, we can give it to them.

We just mustn't do it all that fast.

No, no, no.

But you could do it next week.

As soon as you're back, when you'll be back.

It depends whether we get it right or not.

Yeah, all right.

Here's what I was thinking.

Oh, you could do it.

I think this is clearly the answer.

You see, look, you can't get amateurs in a game of disappointment.

That's the trouble with Rockefeller.

Goddamn it.

He's got his money, but he's an amateur.

You know, if you do strike back and wrap Rockefeller around like that, you'll never know him.

You know it, too.

He just isn't in the game.

He's fine.

He's tough and all that.

But if he didn't have that billion dollars, you know,

He wouldn't be much more than a person.

He's a good leader, but he doesn't have this... Well, the point is that he doesn't have this subtlety of moving around.

He's a kind of a guy also who wants to make a quick shot.

Dramatic, you know, let's do something bold.

Now, God damn it, we want to do something bold, but we don't want to fall down on doing it.

You can do it.

The best thing, the best thing to do, really, is this.

We set up a secret association.

But the way I would start a telegram was I said,

The President is considerate and he would like to arrange a visit to D.K.

He believes that he would like to come to D.K.

He thinks, however, the best way to arrange it must be arranged at the highest level.

The agenda, the modalities, etc.

should be arranged by Dr. Kissinger and whatever.

And the circumstances to make it possible.

And the circumstances

there must be certain circumstances that must do, and he would suggest a meeting, and so on and so forth.

After that meeting, the time of the visit could be agreed, and also the agenda, et cetera, et cetera.

In other words, talk about agenda and that sort of thing.

I think, actually, with that, I think what we ought to say is

It gives the importance of this kind of time on the country.

Yeah.

And the complexity of the issue, it is important that it be settled at the highest level.

That's what he struggled with.

Yeah.

The president is prepared to come to see him.

However, because of the importance of the relationship with him.

He does not believe that it should be public, that we should send an F. He doesn't believe this can be handled at the emissary level.

You realize the announcement of the announcement is all that we could bring in, doesn't it?

I would call the press conference, I'd ask, and I'd say, I'd walk in, and I'd say, walk out, and

No, I wouldn't let this be handled, you know.

That's one thing where some alerted me.

Why didn't you do a press conference?

Oh, the hell with the press conference.

Why let them piss all over me?

Yeah, I just talked to, I just talked to Burwell Colson.

He's perjured me.

So he's worked with a college brother for the last, I believe, six or seven years.

He said he's just been, he's got to go to New York.

He's got to go to New York.

I think though that we have a better, that is the better scheme.

Now, they may come back and say that they would, I don't know, they may come back and say they want a public business.

You're not giving any timing for all they know you may be doing to come in office.

That's right.

They don't want you in office.

No, but I mean, you don't have any time.

They're so scared of the Russians that they're having a lot better of having you visit next May or April.

And keeping it hanging and daring the Russians to attack them with a presidential visit, you know.

That's what I think they want.

I do not believe they want you now.

It would be too quick a turn around for us.

I just said to you in the back, that once you've been asked to get this one, I believe it's all yours.

Nobody can screw you up.

But if you could still do that, you see, the advantage of my doing is to tell them, I've told them, tell them there may be a rush.

So that no one can get a draft of it.

All right.

I think that's the better scheme.

I think that's the way it ought to be handled.

And also we can advise the beauty of these guys is they may not do it.

But I could just tell them, God damn it, no Manfield, no Scott, no nobody goes to China.

The only thing is, the only thing is whether or not they would send anybody to Rawlton.

They could discuss something.

These guys, if they do it, it will be top-notch.

No doubt about it.

I would do it, I would do it.

You might be sitting in Rawlton anyway.

I would do it.

I don't know if we should or will.

Will we?

I mean, it don't have to do with that.

I don't think that'd be the point.

That warrant should say, no, that the convert and seeker present, not seeker, not at the highest level.

You didn't say anything about that.

Tell Kendrick.

All right.

Work that out, Henry, but I'm only suggesting this.

He's got to have done many things.

I'm only suggesting that to him.

I mean, yeah.

Yeah, of course.

I suggest this and you can go and catch the airplane, but I've got a suggestion.

I'd owe the time.

We know what we want to do.

Let's don't fool around.

I'll do it.

It'll take that long before they get it.

I think we may have that problem on our hands.

If they're frightened, they're going to take Mansfield and all the other clowns.

If they may take him and give him a tour of China, I don't think it's very important.

So, Mr. President, if you get us on with the meeting, we can do it.

Thank you.

What we are praying for basically is a Chinese summit.

That's my point with me.

That is the big play.

Now, that's only, but that's half of all.

The other part of the play is to do something about this war.

That's the other half of it.

With that, I think these guys, it's 50 for what they needed peace, and they settled the reason on that.

They need peace now.

It's got to affect the North.

It's the one advantage of a public emissary.

Don't come around.

We've decided it anyway.

No, no.

I think this is better because after I've met with them, we can announce it within a month.

Well, if they want a public emissary after that, you can make it up.

You can send one.

Yeah, we can do it.

For cosmetics.

We can send a big package of that.

Yeah.

You can say this, that we ought to have the first meeting should be...

I'll tell you, I've got a better idea.

I mean...

The first meeting should be if you would like to meet with the President of the United States, and so forth.

Also, we can also discuss whether or not there should be another envoy prior to the presidential election on a public basis, and to work that out at the same time in the event they also want that.

Fair enough?

In other words, give them the whole bag and take them.

The point being that our answer is to do that discussion.

But tell them, sure, don't turn down their proposition.

Say, that's fine.

We're willing to consider both the presidential visit and the end point.

But this is a matter that you want to discuss, that you'll be involved in.

And that you say that you cannot come to be king at this time.

Okay, goodbye.

Have a good time.

Go then.

that Pakistan ambassador said he had no other possibility.

And he also said I could go.

I thought I'd be the best man who could go simultaneously because the disadvantage of it is it's almost like the president going to the door and shouting through the door rather than going all the way in.

And it's too dramatic.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Henry, it's a hell of a lot more, believe me,

It's a bigger bang for you to go than for Rogers to go.

Don't you know that?

Jesus Christ.

I mean, sure, it's a lot of cosmetics, but they know where the power is.

And that's why you can't go.

You can't go if you can't.

Unless we have decided that that's what we want to do.

I think it's important.

Frankly, I think it's important that I talk to them because I'm the only one who knows.

We know that.

But I think the secret dog is ideal.

Then we can set up any eye watch we want.

We can send rules to Murphy or anybody after that if they want a public plan.

In degree.

But that depends how it would go.

They may not agree to settle the Vietnam War.

But they may nevertheless settle it.

Well, let me say, before I get there, say the war is pretty well settled.

I guess I can say that we can't come there until we have some idea that there must be, the fact must be known in the United States that the war is settled.

I can't come to China before that.

I'll admit and say how you're going to answer.

We'll find ways.

It means having gotten to this point, Mr. President, that I'm going to

The Russians didn't get the manicure.

Of course, you want to... That's right.

You want to... We're going to get some of the Russians who were wrong.

So, you know, we're going to get...

I'm sure you're not stuck on that.

Believe me.

I'm not so sure if you want it or not.

That's right.

My instinct tells me they're going to get dissolved in the summit.

Look at their choices.

What bit of it are they going to go?

You're here to work, isn't it?

You're going to get us the, you know, draft fees after July 1st, maybe.

And you're trying like hell to get the, we'll have a little statement on prisoners of war that Bruce will make tomorrow.

You're making that good.

All right.

I'll go on.

I'll be talking to you about it.

Unless you've got something else.

This press conference is kind of

Basically just wondering if the answer to the question is the same one we're going to have at the end.

Except demonstration.

I'm going to downplay everything.

I'm going to downplay the demonstrator in Chinese.

I'm not even going to come out against homosexuals, no.

I need them all.

I need a chairman.

Well, especially if you get this exercise all the way, I think you've got to make a change.

I just can't do it.

I think you've got to make the change.

You've got to put Elliot Richardson in.

You can't screw around with Nelson Rockefeller or anybody else.

You've got to have a pure mechanic in there who will run the department the way you want to run it.

I don't think so.

Well, I'm sure you can, but I'm not sure you want to.

He's good where he is.

He's good where he is, and if you're going to make the other employee sure as hell go, how do you handle the Rogers thing?

Yep.

Henry and so forth.

All this delicate balancing thing.

It's clear that there can't be two equals who want to build up here.

Henry is essentially the state.

I think you've got to downplay Richardson a little bit.

to build up Rodgers' ego.

He can't have a tough, you know, front.

I don't know how he's got Rodgers' league without horrible errors and so forth.

That's the problem.

He has to do it on his initiative.

He does it on the basis that he's preserved peace in the Middle East and he thinks things are going to go fine there and he's now got negotiations going and he's got everything going with Russia and he's accomplished what he really set out to do at the State Department.

He told you all along that

and that he would be able to stay beyond the first term and that he needs to get back to private practice.

He's always just denied that he was dead.

There's been some that he indicated apparently arresting him, but he didn't.

He didn't astonish me.

I think he likes money too well.

Well, except he may have enough.

He may have only what he's got enough.

Pretty corporate feedback from all of it.

He likes Warren Burr very much.

He's a good man.

He's a good guy.

That would be the neatest thing.

Ernie Goldberg went to Tennessee and announced he was going to launch the TVA.

St. Peter's Group is saying he's going to get rid of Social Security.

I wonder if any of the press took him online.

Yeah.

They were, you know, the Mark and Cal guys were commenting on him.

Basically, it was rather odd that the CEO was just formed to meet the menace of China.

It's an indication of whether it was the right thing to do or the wrong thing to do.

Of course, he wasn't going to do it without anybody knowing him.

And on that one, by the gosh, Bill Rogers knows very well where it all started.

I started getting him along.

He started shooting.

Joe Schultz, does it support the scene on the minimum wage question?

After you see Dr. Biden.

No, I can't see him today.

Because he's got a decision he has, but it's a decision, I don't understand how.

I asked Patrick to answer.

No, no, well, I don't, listen, I don't want to answer.

I'm not going to answer.

What I meant is that I don't want to hang around George about what the president said on the minimum wage question.

I mean, it's a decision they have to do tomorrow.

How does he testify?

I don't know.

In fact, he's busy with it now.

He wouldn't be ready himself for half an hour.

I won't be ready at all, so that's too bad.

He doesn't need me.

He could be tied up after the doctor leaves.

I am tied up.

I am my brief.

Is this about the main?

You are to find out whether or not the purpose of this is to tell somebody that that's the case, then of course I am to see.

But he wants to yak with me about the minimum wage.

I'm not going to make a minimum wage decision because I've got a press conference.

I'll dodge it.

Sir, this is what happens here.

I asked Buchanan for the answer to this.

Buchanan called Chelsea to discuss it with them, and Chelsea said, I know, I know.

Well, that's the way it always works, and they don't have to do that.

They ought to just give Buchanan the facts, and he can make up a hell of a lot better answer than Jordan Hiller.

I understand.

That's not the way.

Just say...

Why don't you tell him no strain?

If it's for the purpose of the press conference, all I want to know is if he wants a dodgy answer or what, that's all.

My only deal with it is to delay it and say, well, I won't have anything on that tonight.

I need to settle that tonight.

That's going to be discussed tomorrow.

That's a matter we're going to leave.

That's a matter under consideration.

The matter is under consideration.

The Secretary of Labor will testify.

That's what I think is the right thing to say.

will testify as the administration's position, or will present the administration's position on the issue.

That will be put out of consideration.

Tell him that's the way I think it ought to be answered, and I think it ought to be answered that way yesterday and today, but maybe Hudson will see us off on it.

Now, you can call me back on it once you find out.

I think on the Rogers thing, do you think Laird would vote him?

He can't vote, and I think he can control Laird.

In a lot of ways, much better than Ken Rogers.

But I don't know.

Laird has less problems anyway in his area.

I think I have a much better book on Laird because he must, presumably, must go back and run for governor.

Governor.

That's the story now.

And that's his way to the top of the line.

But if that's what he wants to do, he's got to play along.

He can't get across the line.

You've got to have the true limit again.

Where if Rogers wants to just go back to private practice, you've got no true limit at all.

I think he thinks he's doing the right thing.

He rationalizes all these things out for himself.

But it always serves him.

And it's all the way he serves us, in my opinion.

I should agree.

And all these kind of folks, when he comes back, he always, he's a damn smart lawyer.

He always has a good answer, but then you can always get around and find out, you know, and you can do it with that answer.

I told Colson off, I said, don't get too excited about all this damn news.

Talk to him after the show.

You know, the rest of that, he didn't allow us to.

And all the rest, I said, I'm just going to let you know about all this.

So, you know, he's watching.

He's watching.

I'd say we called around the country and said, well, maybe I should have seen you around the country.

People are not as disturbed as I am.

They are at all.

He did a pretty good check around the country and got exactly the reading that everybody else gets from around the country.

There's nobody who knows, who cares about identity.

Except for the veterans that he got going.

Some, some.

I'd say it was Bob.

I really think the network was just impossible.

I think all we can do is try to get on on ourselves.

One, two, three.

Get on and screw them every time we can.

I think for that reason, one thing we do, we've got to get Agnew, keep Agnew off of those.

That's where I knew he was going.

But every time he's got attacks of saying the media are bad, that's right.

If he wants to hit specific lives, that's fine.

CBS is selling the Pentagon.

Sure, hit that.

If it was bad, they want a bad one because it was a good one to hit.

Not just to say the media does everything wrong.

Because they don't do everything wrong.

They don't post everything wrong.

You know, and like the way I handled the editors, more in sorrow than anger.

Everybody knew that I felt they were lousy bunch of bastards.

But I said it nicely.

Remember, I laughed at all.

I said, well, I expressed my views about you in 62, and I'm not done with it yet.

And there it is.

Right.

There it is.

You get it.

That's your answer.

That's the other problem, right?

That's the problem, right?

What do you think he's going to do?

I have no problem with Connery or with the trolls, because basically he's so smart and tough and frankly honest, that already he is an honest man, huh?

He isn't as devious as Robert.

Bill will go around with him.

And God damn it, with Tom, he'll come in, he'll blow his hell, you know.

He'll say, I don't think you did that well, or this well, or I like this, he didn't like that, and so forth.

That's all right.

I can do that with somebody who's basically an equal, there's no problem.

I should have built with others.

And you can't do that, because otherwise you're going to have every little boy around this shop here running in saying, well, I didn't spread it on Coleman's hair.

You just don't do that.

It's good to have a guy like Connie that we can't deal with.

He's just fine.

See, in this China thing, it's ridiculous for me to be worried about whether it just goes over there.

Maybe it's the best time to go.

God, how many of you want to go?

Well, that's good.

Henry says, if Elliot were secretary of state, all he'd do is call up Elliot and say, I'm going to send Henry over to Elliot and say, fine, I'll go out and announce it.

Then he'd go out on the TV and say, I've suggested to the president to send Dr. Kistler over to work this out.

The doctor is better.

I'd rather have a private team than a public emissary at all.

The public emissary is going to take a lot of the cream off the game, right?

The first bang for the wall is going to be the guy who gets there.

He's going to get enormous publicity.

The second one is that it ought to be private.

And then I have told him that I'm still not going to feel as anonymous as he does.

But you wait until the spring.

And he goes, sir.

He's ready to go.

Well, if they've been to the water, well, or co-opted, co-opted, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, for this reason, I say they're, they would, they haven't mentioned Vietnam in those messages.

That's the opposite.

So it means, well, the opposite.

I'm not putting that as a condition.

I'm not putting that as a concern.

Like I say, Vietnam is our condition.

Taiwan is our condition.

They were going to rattle on it, but I wouldn't put it that way.

Well, I'll be back.

No, we'll be back in a few, four years.

It's, uh, come on.

I mean, it's quite clear from their message that they want to visit.

Just to go over all the marbles, the brass ring, I go on.

You know, what the hell?

Why don't somebody else go and let's, you know, are you sure you won't let Nancy over there?

Yes.

Bob, Andrew doesn't seem to bother.

He says, well, they'll just take him on a tour.

He won't meet with the leaders.

Who the hell cares?

Any political figure goes in there, doesn't matter if he doesn't see anybody.

He's walking in the gate.

Yeah, okay.

He says he hasn't testified.

I'm not sure.

Maybe he could do this on the telephone.

If it is on the testimony, probably better.

Well, I have to go to see Riley.

All right, where is he going to be?

Where am I?

Why don't you just call him?

All right.

Well, I mean, does he have to have the call right away?

That's my point.

He says he has to know tonight.

He will be standing by himself.

I'm telling him that I'll be, I'm telling him that I am out, that you can't reach me, or does he know yet that I'm in?

He knows that you're over here.

He knows you're right.

I'm tied up right now.

I'm telling him that you'll be able to reach me in about 45 minutes.

I'll try to reach you sometime between 6.30

Yeah, between 6.30 and 7.

I'll call it.

Yeah.

Sir, I've been up there a few before by the papers.

I bring to you, Mr. Alderman, a book.

Yes, sir.

Here you go, sir.