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Nixon & Griner on Welfare reform and Labor unions

Wednesday, May 5, 1971 · 1:16 PM–3:00 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 1 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); White House operator; Griner, John F.Conversation252-044 on Tape 252 (tape position 02:03:29–02:04:57)StartWednesday, May 5, 1971 at 1:16 PMEndWednesday, May 5, 1971 at 3:00 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 252-044 ↗

President Nixon met with American Federation of Government Employees president John F. Griner to express gratitude for the union's support regarding administration welfare reform initiatives. Nixon emphasized the necessity of strict work requirements, insisting that able-bodied recipients perform manual labor to transition off welfare rolls. The discussion served to solidify the alliance between the administration and the union leadership on these policy goals despite potential internal political friction.

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I want you to know that I took note of the fact that you published quite a few papers that the number of the great majority of federal employees all came to work on.
They're a great credit by any part of them, a great part of those of you and their leadership over there.
I'm most grateful for you.
I think we did the right thing.
I think our police and others did pretty well to round them up.
I appreciate it.
I will remember.
Thank you.

On May 5, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, White House operator, and John F. Griner met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 1:16 pm and 3:00 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 252-044 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 252-44

Date: May 5, 1971
Time: Unknown between 1:16 pm and 3:00 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The White House operator talked with the President

[See Conversation No. 42-99]

The President talked with John F. Griner at an unknown time between 1:16 pm and 3:00 pm

[Conversation No. 252-44A]

[See Conversation No. 42-99A]
  • 042-087 1:16 PM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:16 pm and 3:00 pm.
  • 042-088 1:16 PM · 55 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Peter M. Flanigan talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:16 pm and 3:00 pm.
  • 042-089 1:16 PM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:16 pm and 3:00 pm.
  • 042-090 1:16 PM · 50 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:16 pm and 3:00 pm.
  • 042-091 1:16 PM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:16 pm and 3:00 pm.
  • 042-092 1:16 PM · 42 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:16 pm and 3:00 pm.
  • 042-093 1:16 PM · 51 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Alvin Snyder talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:16 pm and 3:00 pm.
  • 042-094 1:16 PM · 21 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 1:16 pm and 3:00 pm.

Conversation 252-044, May 5, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/252-044 (accessed October 3, 2026).