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Edgar, how are you?

Good to see you.

I read about your party with Mark.

Good job there.

He was an MLS chaperone.

God, I tell you, you better be.

That was great.

You know the last line that came up when she came here, and she came with, I think it was the Forest Book woman.

She said that... Oh, yeah, in the Forest Book, it was all the people.

Man, I'm sorry.

She said that Tom was the most amazing person in the hell, and all the government could ever... You almost thought it was Chad Ratchett.

If you could hold another chair.

I think you should be over here.

Let me tell you why I asked you to come over.

There's a lot of stuff to talk about today.

And I know you're all concerned about this.

Everybody else is concerned about this.

I understand.

I want to check with all of you.

And you can talk about this.

God damn it, we've got to do something.

We've got to do something.

Other than just talk about this.

This is John's voice.

I understand, never, in 13 years, never shot a gun, and he bowls and goes to church.

How many bowls does he go to church?

One only shot, I think, six times.

The point is, the first is a question of the issue.

If you want to handle this with respect, you've got to have

Oh, we've got to have respect for that.

Worship the Lord.

It's one of the reasons that I feel it's so important for the Bureau not to be allowed to move on, and I need to turn that around with you, John.

I don't think that's right.

Well, I mean, basically, for us, I mean, you know, we all need to have a system in place.

You know, what I meant is, he's gone for a certain amount of time.

Yeah, well, Muskegon said that he meant me.

And I don't think that's so involved.

It's a good development statement.

He didn't make a statement.

Now though, what really is at fault is that it was the freedom fighters who destroyed the armed forces after the wreckage.

Now, the same actors who were directing the service right, the police force, that's right, have always preceded every country where there's been a revolution.

That's right.

Now, the problem today is enormously compounded by the growth problem.

The damn drug problem is something we never had before.

We didn't have it the night you and I were fighting the damn convicts, right?

Well, I don't think we did, but we didn't have it then.

But when these troops came back to Vietnam, it was before you came back.

Oh, yeah, they're in terrible shape.

You've got a jerk secretary of the Army.

He was on drugs himself.

What I'm getting at is that

I feel we have a second act here I think.

We've got a problem with this.

If there was ever an administration that was more strong than that,

I'm not saying there aren't a lot of people in the office department that have much confidence, but nevertheless,

John has been great.

Whenever I've had an opportunity, when they give me a chance, I try to do it.

On the other hand, I have lived in a bunch of country homes.

You know, I did a thing yesterday.

I was in Alabama.

I was a full deal.

I never missed a chance to walk over there.

I was proud of it.

I should have been.

We've got to get more of them out there.

We've got to get them out there so that they really know what we do.

You stand this way.

John, please, I think you know the place.

Do they?

Yes, sir.

You can see that the opening of this new character house at the end of this year, we'll have a follow-up of 2,000 writers a year.

We only have 200 writers a year.

We won't have them.

I want to move this chair.

We had 1,000 members of the Forest Service between lunch and dinner.

And every member of that Forest Service was a full professional on the business.

They changed the commerce and all the rest of it.

You know, to see it in the national press, to see it in the television, you know, I was thinking there was some way that we were tackling it.

I had brought research in.

But anyway.

Thank you.

That's pretty good.

That's correct.

No, I don't think so.

and have John McDonough show that we care about him.

I think we ought to make a very positive statement.

It's true that in every one of these instances, we once advised the local police department the full facilities of the FBI, its laboratory, its fingerprint division, and the running out of all out-of-town leads.

You see, you can't take someone in a state, for instance, John McDonough did it by some punk in the town, or any out-of-town leads where the man may flee.

or tried to go over to Jersey and New York after a property dispute on the two of them.

In any of those instances, the FBI, all weapons of the disorder, need to be available.

And in this regard, you have a police officer killed yesterday, and by this daughter of the woman there, such a person.

I felt a sense of sorry for the mayor, the kid.

Well, he's got a boy, which he is.

Yes, he has.

He's the kid you saw on here.

And this girl is absolutely no good.

She was thrown out of a college in California.

And living with this bearded man is horrible.

We've been living together in one of these communes.

Well, why don't we, well, we could, yeah, we could do that.

But you see, we've said that before.

It's always there to be honored and honored, sir.

Do you think there's any place, any area,

Let me tell you, it's an interesting thing about the Congress.

The Congress reacts, of course, to something else, but reacts strangely enough to something else in New York.

It's like Mickey Mantle, if he played in Minnesota, would have not been the greatest Indian star, you know, he'd have the same average, but if he'd already said he'd get some title.

Now, basically, I think there's gonna be a hell of an interest in this.

There were 45 states, in fact, you know, that I talked to, that the security had, I don't understand, 45 states that came to that kind of job.

And I don't know how far blacks came to that.

That was good, yes.

If somebody had to be killed, that's how long you're going to kill them.

Yeah, and more emotionally.

The current witness that they thought that these two men were officers in front of some kind of housing inspection, looking for gold.

And that these two persons who killed them, the gold beaters and the Negroes who killed them, shot them, not because they were necessarily police officers, but were agents of some narcotics squad of the New York Police Department.

Doesn't make no difference to having the business to be shooting any officer down.

But whether that's true or not, I don't know.

That's what the first impression is going to be on the police.

Mr. President, I can refresh your recollection of when we came up here last September.

You know, I met one of the international chief police representatives.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

And at that time, Schweiger had a young man, and some of them were talking about him and others, and some of the people from the police then of the association were up in Congress making noise.

But the chiefs of police, right, that this was just a facade because the bills related to interstate travel didn't hurt us.

We definitely had a problem with the crime.

We definitely had a problem.

That is right.

I got an idea.

Let me do this, John.

Uh...

It would be reasonable, or against our revenue sharing, to have LEAA have some sort of a fund.

I think there's about $65,000 in those field guides.

And then when a poor policeman gets killed, leaving three or four kids, there ought to be some way to... Well, let me give you a little background on that.

Kennedy has had a national service insurance bill for a long time, which most of the police department, which most of the people have been opposed to.

Because normally these institutions take care of the pension funds that the police and the firemen have.

And of course, if you're in the guard lane, and you're in substantial funds, they take care of them for their life and their children.

I'm sure there are other states that don't have such a protection for the police.

And here, they're right that they belong in the nature of a developing country.

for the national floor, the national floor to take care of his family and children.

The time is of the essence.

All right, now how would you do that?

How would you have that?

We can do that exactly the way we did on H.R.

1.

You establish a federal norm, and then the states make it, or the localities make it, in addition to that, as their option.

That's much better.

It needs a little more.

And you had these insurance funds around the government.

This was one of the critiques that we had, that the candidates, you know, there wasn't any sense of setting up an entire new level of insurance here.

We have with us benefits under Social Security, but these fellows probably are not eligible for Social Security because they're under these global independent pension banks.

If we could amend the Social Security Act, and we could tap the existing trust funds for that, we'll move on something to find a way to do something that is quite...

quite meaningful in their life.

And actually, that is what I'm saying.

In Chicago, New York, Los Angeles, the big city, but it could mean a whole lot of other stuff.

Yes, well, I see.

Because if all their benefits go on top, well, this goes on top.

You see, it is adjusted.

You get a local option.

This gives them more supplementation, you see.

I see.

See, in our service, each man in the Bureau contributes $10.

And there's a $10,000 paid from the contributions of all men, plus what the government provides for us.

That would be $65,000.

This is another thing to let us think about, John, if your federal law enforcement is done.

Yes.

You have to give them exactly the same kind of money.

I think this is good.

I think you're saying you've already done it.

and then this obsession, this violence is now, rather than taking the farm and burning the city, it's now taking the farm and killing the police.

What do you say to that?

I'd break down the military and the law enforcement, but I think there's gonna be more.

I think there's a question of course, God.

I just couldn't believe it when they bring those anchors and Bobby Sealy and the rest of them.

But you know, when the president, I don't know, he puts out the wires and says, you know, if you're going to send this wire, you have to pass it over to the police.

And they shouldn't have.

To show that we're having an experience with this, I guess, and then we can get that point out.

I don't know if we can ever get that point out.

That would be easy.

The plan that pushes some things to that man that I hear about.

They're wired in that way, right?

There's some orphanages that we probably never want to see all the time.

Most of it is that we can't possibly want.

But we can pass it to the local orphanage.

And then they have these state houses ready for them.

Because they have this bank that has to do with it.

There's two offices in that bank.

And when these robbers came in, this girl set up a car.

Now, where they rob, of course, they're robbing for money to buy those.

It costs about $5,500 a day to live on heroin.

At least 50 is the minimum.

Now you can't get that by mugging somebody.

You get that by going to a bank and getting 100,000 or 50,000.

What we have in most of these banks all over the country is big money.

So the money that's given to the bank lobby is already listed as the numbers in cereals.

So we can immediately pick it up if it's circulated to the banks.

as it has to be, as far as I know, for the person with so many banks.

We had a case today, I don't think it's up to my mind, we arrested 26 people in New York City on the matter of scamming.

We had one wiretap off for one day on an order of course.

We had 5,000 calls placing bets totaling $1,300,000 in one day this last week.

I wasn't wrong holding the two of them together.

Policemen's lives are saved in situations where man coverage is discovered or something of that kind, and you hear that on the telephone.

Now what is the situation?

The reaction of the president in the paper I saw was a number of lawyers and judges in the country who are critical of this action in connection.

They thought that they ought to be called to trial again

Otherwise, you admit that your so-called judicial system is no good.

The judge, of course, is the judge of all trials.

And the state's attorney is announcing not to bring him to trial.

Now, the man who defended, who tried the case in Los Angeles of the estate of the man, he said there had to have been a disagreement in that case.

He would have tried him again.

And I'm going to hear what the judge must say.

I saw that there was a sign yesterday.

The one sign that held that figure down.

He said, Nixon and Angela House.

How in the hell can anybody defend Angela Davis?

Huh?

Well, you can get a lawyer, I understand.

But my God, I mean, this is a, this idea that Angela Davis, I mean, of course, that's what Patrick said.

She ran off.

She, they had worked this up in the paper.

This crowd, this Barragan crowd, they've got a 10-punch thing.

There, they've always been putting out all kinds of propaganda.

Now, the government can't make releases every day as to what their case is.

What excellent, I think it is.

I think it's a very good piece.

But the defendant's letter, yes, came out in some indictment.

That has caused a great turmoil amongst the followers of Philip, and, of course, they believe that he was a sincere priest.

He had nothing to do with this thing at all.

He had no romance with the snout of their next of kin.

They think that he double-crossed them.

Oh, they think he is, though.

They think it's given because the letters show that he was not one to have an affair.

And also, the letters show of the talking about getting the dynamite and making the examination of the capital and so forth.

That release of that correspondence is more good, I think, than the letter.

Now, of course, they've come and they've been criticized for it, for trying to take the paper, but they won't try, because they follow the people.

Don't worry about that.

The interesting part about that is that guideline, the attachment of that letter, was put under the General General's Handbook, Letter of Answer Card.

That's right.

He doesn't care about the document.

He has a story at the end of the day that the greatest amount of lies I've ever listened to that he makes about the water tapping when he was the attorney general.

And it was done when he had no idea what he was lying for.

I have the written apology.

Don't ever, let me say it, don't ever hesitate for one minute to have whatever you need.

And we'll back it right there.

They go, I know this problem.

I know this problem as well as anybody.

They asked me about it when I was in California.

I said, no, it's not this problem.

It's a public state problem.

What the hell are they talking about?

God, I didn't do this for you.

You can walk around.

You can't stand by a shrub.

Well, it's not even what we have.

It's less than that.

I don't care.

I hope you have a hell of a lot more here to talk about.

Now, all this police thing, though, is there anything more that either of you would think of that we could do?

At first, I think the insurance, I mean, I think it's minimum for people that are widows.

I actually can't.

That's not a good comment to ask.

Second, in terms of the prosecution, we really have to believe that we are asking.

You don't think Schweikert or anything?

No, I don't.

The local police chief has a prior way to catch his own perpetrator behind.

But we could say again, and we'll refer back to the director last year, why don't we do this?

I'm getting out of our state.

I think we should say that the director is a real discussion

He's in such trouble with that benevolent association that he hardly did it.

I must say.

But on that, would you, would you call that on?

I'll take care of it.

Tell them, tell them, tell them your, your direction and so forth.

Would you also, do you have your own judge to press on with, with, with, with how, what my interest is in the attorney council?

I would just say a very strong...

Isn't that a little unforeseen thing that may be happening at the cost of a year?

Well, I got passed.

You know, I got passed.

You know, I almost did this.

He really had this.

Yeah, we did a broadcast.

Oh, a lot of it.

That's one major.

I'm going on for it.

There was a proposal to recognize the D.C. Police Department.

Bring them in for a review, very much like your son-in-law reviewed.

And the family's coming.

and where I have a commendation ceremony or a whole unit.

It's like the head of the military.

Exactly.

Well, that might get a few in a relationship with the others.

It could be applied on a national basis, a law enforcement day.

You, as president, make a TV appearance and pick up some of these atrocious things that have happened.

And I'll do what I think we might do.

We might pick up the... We might...

It's a very good group now.

We've got a good president.

We've got a good vice president.

We've got a very bad director of operations here.

But he doesn't have the power.

This man's hand.

But they've got an excellent president, and they do succeed because of it.

We're quite certain.

We've got an excellent president.

And they serve on many committees that we have on the NCIC operations field.

That's very helpful for them.

We must find a job for you.

What really counts, what really counts even more in this speech, I think,

I don't want to appear to exploit it.

I don't want to exploit it.

On the other hand, we have to remember that we've got to bring

We've got to bring the public awareness of this administration's, not just John Mitchell's, but my commitment, which is very strong and very deep, in support of law enforcement people, not an ally, not the military, not the law enforcement.

We've got these clowns, Muskie and Humphrey and Kennedy and the whole damn bunch,

They never miss an opportunity to give them a kick in the pants, except for when elections come up.

Right?

That's true.

We have done what we've done.

I'm a hardliner.

I'm a drug thing.

I mean, it's called Brown over here, or the GW.

I'll never come up next week while marijuana is the same as a traffic ticket.

You should pay no attention to it.

And all of them.

Put him in the club.

Put him in the institute of television.

That is it.

That I am basically extremely, I am frankly more of a police officer, more hardline in this field than perhaps anybody that sat around here.

And I feel that now, if we're gonna tilt it any way, we're gonna be tilted in that direction.

Have you given some thought to tilted in that direction?

Opposites of the IACP and the National Association of Chiefs of Police, come in and meet with you in the White House.

I can tell you, within 48 hours, they moved.

And they're all excellent men.

How many men?

Well, there would be probably, let's see, there's six.

How many did they want?

I couldn't manage to warn them.

Where did they have the room?

Actually, we couldn't do anything.

Where did they have the room?

There came some small, large cities and other states.

Well, we had a meeting, and we had some part of that meeting.

that you haven't come out of one of those cases.

I mean, actually, we may have another state insurance report that ought to be done, but we ought to take time to read it.

See, this is what it's... Friday's pretty bad.

Monday's a holiday.

Tuesday, I don't have a restaurant.

So we can do it next Wednesday.

But you went to the other side.

You can come.

I can come, sir.

Turn the camera off and come.

All right.

I think it's not the right thing to do.

Yes, you're right.

No, I like that.

You know, I like that.

You can go over this bill and consult with them and tell them what it is and then go out and spread the word over to them.

You know, we hit back and down to the point where the police recognized George's report and then when we got to the general public to write that one, they weren't worried for the fact that Manny Silver is the chairman of the Judiciary Committee in the House.

It's great to have a few great members of the Senate in the House of Judiciary

Well,

Maybe it's better, we could see, we could see, we could have, but I think you want to get about bigger in size to get, and have them so they can all rent there, get about 10 percent of you guys.

And, you know, good, strong people.

I'd like to get them out of the fight, if we could, out of major states, other than, you know, Hollywood, California, Illinois, the president is from Pennsylvania, and Florida.

and where we're all going to go back.

We'll be here for some time.

Yeah, that's right.

Let's get a few right out there from the heart of the land.

Out there.

We're going to go to Florida versus South and get one from Missouri.

That's what we're going to do.

We're going to do it.

We're going to do it all quickly.

I think you better limit it to the offices.

The offices, that's right.

So they're probably pretty representative.

They're very representative and very kind and good.

And they can come in and we can say, now, however, would they come in and lobby for the Schweitzer?

That's our problem.

If you could handle that, you see.

And then between now and then, maybe we can figure out a few models to follow up.

Think of anything else.

John, you put your people in there.

There may be something.

Protecting techniques, preventing techniques.

If there's anything more that we as a federal government can do.

Now, the idea, I think the second idea, your idea of

Why don't we have annual police recognition day?

When Mayor David Weiner, remember, he said to me going back for Chicago's police recognition day, he said, why not?

Why don't we have it across this country?

I thought, I think we should.

And they say, we're for police brutality.

You're damn right, sir.

If that's what they call it, that's necessary to make a law on it.

And it is.

If you want us to leave our job, that's the only issue that has been for years.

But I don't think there isn't something.

Would you think about that?

There are a lot of proposals up for special weeks, special days.

Yeah.

But I think if we could get something where we took the president's calls for, I believe that this nation should have an annual church.

then I can use that as a springboard for a brief talk on my radio project.

I think the key to having these officers in would be that you want to consult with them about this bill and also we could ask them on a daily basis to be sure that they accept it.

And what I really need, what we really need is a national function.

I can get back to my point.

It isn't just the police department.

It's every sheriff in this country.

It's every court guy that's working part-time in this field.

It's every guy that's in law enforcement.

And frankly, it's everybody in the United States.

Everybody in the positions of government these days is thought to be a rat or a wormhead.

And we've got to take it all.

And all the pigs.

Pigs?

And that is, I mean, of course, as we know, this drug problem is a terrible problem.

I don't know what we're going to do about it, but I think that the start of the proposition bureaus, I would expect, they're strong on top of the Senate.

I think particularly as we enter the summer, where the

I think the president of the Sheriff's Association is a very good man.

I was wondering about bringing some of those in.

I was just hearing that he's bringing in the first vice president of the Sheriff's Association.

I think the International Association of Chiefs of Police, then you have the whole representation.

And all of them are good men.

Excellent.

Is that your general?

No.

I bring in your man, Jerry Wilson.

Is that your general?

I guess not.

Who's that we're getting in?

No.

I think you're enough.

You're enough.

I think the Attorney General and Edgar's not going to want to get too many other faces around.

Let's have the others.

Fair enough.

Those animals were very explosive.

I don't find them.

And we've got to get to the city.

What kind of individual happened to me?

You've got to have a guy who will go out and make it at all in the head of the Chief of the International Chiefs.

And he has to get to go out there and get on the crew.

And we'll find him.

We'll find him.

Yeah, he's the one that had the kids with the carrot shotguns.

He's got the version.

Yes, he has.

But he's a tough guy to sit down and say that.

I'm sure he's going to like it.

I didn't feel like it.

They could have found themselves otherwise.

It would all be shocking.

He's a fireman.

All right.

I understand him.

He's put a unit of policemen in each one of the housing project units, along with an equal number of housing project employees.

And they're a permanent party there.

They don't live there, but they're stationed there.

And they get to know the troublemakers in the area, and they keep an eye on them.

And when there is trouble in the area, they can move right in on it.

That's one possibility.

Another would be simply for the Bureau, with its expertise, to advise police departments

of the measures to take to avoid these kinds of assassinations that are the typical massive patterns that are involved in the assassinations and sorts of things that in the way of training that every police department needs.

How about having a natural setting in your academy?

How about bringing in, you know, your academy graduates?

Could you bring in, could you have a conference of bringing a hell of a lot of chiefs and say, well, here's the one thing.

days of training and so forth.

I could do that very soon.

I think I might have a point.

I mean, you've got, you've got, you know, little technicians, right?

And you have these guys in a major city of this country.

I could say, I'll have a look at them.

I could get them to the first class and actually see if you could, you could do it.

But what I was thinking about that, they came in, you know, who did that?

and then get behind that to Michael and just drop by.

I think it's a great idea, the director.

And you'll be there, John.

How many did you get?

How many did you get, 100 cities?

Yes, 100 cities.

See, I think the idea, John, the point is, a hell of a lot of these guys, as good as they are, just don't know how to handle the situation.

And there are detectives.

These are much more, because they're less predictable, worse.

You never can tell what they're going to do.

It's only through the intelligence that we learn things that are brilliant.

We have another graduate class coming up on silently.

It's late.

One after that will be a small one.

That'll be coming in two thousand years.

I'll take care of it.

We've got the legislation ready to go on that.

And even at that time, then you might bring the offer to that group.

And they maybe have a come out of that.

That they say, let's have a conference of 100 of our people come in here.

here over a three day session.

Something like that.

That would make a good recommendation.

There is a way that we can have a name on

What I'd like to do is to get a, get a way, either, I'll write a different thing for you.

Maybe you'd like to have the Congress sit around a bit and have a hearing on it and so forth.

to get the same kick out of my indication.

And then making the statement at that time, which I could do.

I could do it very easily.

I said, I'm sending this down to the United States.

It's time for all Americans to, on this critical issue, whatever we may be, whatever our political differences, whatever our race, and so forth, recognize that we're not gonna be safe in our homes,

in our streets, in our schools, in the places of work, unless we do have respect for law and respect for those that have the force of law.

Also, at this meeting we have on next Wednesday, it would be well if you could have the theater of the Senate in the House.

No, I don't mind.

Someone's different.

Oh, sure.

You'll say yes, sir.

I have managed, sir.

Would you?

Right, and I think if you,

Well, maybe you'd like to say what we were meeting about.

Reinforced, in fact, the very thing that we just discussed, that we were heroes.

And I don't know if that was one of the correct ones.

But now, what I meant is that there's probably nothing for us in Harvard.

There isn't anybody writing it.

And it's fortunate that a Negro officer was killed.

Yes, I know.

Because basically, apparently, on the other hand, it is fortunate, too, that this poor man was killed by a couple of white hippies.

That's what it is.

A couple of white hippies.

This puts another light on the Washington, D.C., police department.

It's very fortunate because it takes it out of the context of demonstrations and the separation of the demonstrators and all that kind of stuff.

And right in terms of public safety, the question of action on the property and so on.

And it casts the DC Police Department as a way we'd like to have .

I think you ought to have him here .

Well, he's not a .

I think he .

Well, I think it's heavy, but I think the being is a matter of courtesy.

Yes, yes.

But not that murder.

That son of a bitch is not murder.

There's no danger of that.

All right.

I don't think anybody around here is confused.

You were probably handy for that job.

Ha ha ha, you should have heard him.

Woo!

You know, that's what Stephanie Green said one day.

In bed with him?

No, in bed.

We could have been that way.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

I meant something else.

The U.S. Attorney from Minneapolis was down.

He attended the U.S. Attorney's Conference, and he was around turning down his office a great deal.

When he went back to Minneapolis, he told my man, George Brown, that while he was around, plans were being developed to have this great demonstration at Atlantic City in behalf of Jack Kennedy, and then to follow up with the nomination of Bobby and steal the nomination from Lyndon.

Well, I didn't charge Roche, or any way about it, because I didn't know Lyndon.

and I thought it was out of the law to him, I had to tell him.

So anyhow, I was over here, and I showed him this letter, and he, as you've read it, was supposed to explode it.

I don't know what kind of damage that was.

I knew that all this disloyalty was involved.

And I said to him, I said, no, Mr. President, don't tell anybody about that.

I said, you and Joel Mefferts, how are you going to handle it?

Don't tell anybody.

Because he had his face packed with that.

Oh, John Olmstead, all those other entities.

He should have hired Olmstead.

He told me that he couldn't run the government without Edgar Hoover.

So he said, I couldn't have been president without Edgar Hoover.

He said, I hope you don't let those sons of bitches kill you.

So by the way, he went downstairs right away and told this to O'Donnell.

And O'Donnell flew right over to the department of justice and told Bobby.

That was the beginning of the breach.

About five months later, Bobby, that he had resigned.

But he had it all made to steal that nomination away from them, which he had done so.

except for the fact that I didn't lend an officer, and who didn't like him anyway.

And Lyndon called me from down in Austin, I guess it was last week it was, and said there was something in one of these, in one of these damn New York cars, to the effect that Lyndon jumped and had said that he would rather have me on the inside of his house, and not have Dashie been pissing out, instead of on the outside pissing in.

And Lyndon said, I'm so goddamn mad that I never made that statement to anybody, never had that thought about anybody.

Lady Bird would never have allowed me to take a change.

He said, I'm going to tell President Nixon when he comes down here about that story.

And he was just raving.

I told the President Johnson, I said, well, I said, you've got to, you've gone through this thing a lot of tough hard, and I said, I just have to do the final thing.

I said, I have all I can do to hold my tongue, but I can't be free.

It's pretty costly, but I want to take it.

And I said, I decided not to ignore it.

I don't think the restaurant actually was scum.

So he made me throw it.

He put it in his purse, and I thought, that's the same.

I thought, this fellow, Anderson, he set up this garbage thing in my jacket.

Yeah, Anderson.

And had to have these scavengers go through all of the areas.

And go through all the garbage and trash.

Good to see you.

Yes, sir.

You can join us for a dance.

All right, sir.

It goes to all the cash and profits and under the law you have to put your dollar in there once you're in.

And he found, and he printed his column, he found, and that didn't ensure Jack Daniels or Jackie National for dinner, and he found an empty bottle of Scottish mist, which is a cordial, which I don't drink, but I certainly guess, and he found an empty box of jelly syrup, which is for acidity, as well.

That's the line about acidity in my life.

I see.

I wonder what that was all about.

Well, he said that I had a heartburn and acidity by reason of this judge's tale.

I don't, I don't see the judge's tale.

When I said Monday night when I was making a report, I don't want to show these things to the press.

I said I do not suffer from heartburn or gastric acidity except when I read a certain syndicated columnist's column.

And if you've got one, that's the kind of the boys leave.

That guy's all out of the picture.

They apparently know Anderson well.

He's just a rat.

The rat.

You associate the rat.

You become like a rat.

Yes, exactly.

He looks like a rat.

That's true.

Anderson was the worst rat.

Well, I've often said about him, Mr. President, that he probably died because I knew the good Lord wouldn't take him, the devil wouldn't have him.

But he did die.

And people say about Anderson, I don't think he ever died.

Incidentally, we'll leave it that way.

You need to let me know the date, because I want to talk to you, President.

Will it get you in any trouble?

I don't mean that it gets you in any trouble with your...

I'm having a, I believe we had to put it on in a hurry because you're right here.

I'm doing it on my own because it's so good.

People wouldn't have to go there.

You don't buy it.

I don't want to push it.

He was here during the pandemic.

I'm very happy.

I'm very happy that you're being invited to come and have such an invitation.

Don't have to come unless you've got something else to do.

We had to do it all.

One o'clock tomorrow.

My name is one o'clock.

Yeah, I'm meeting you.

I want to show him respect.

He's one guy in the committee for us.

He's very intelligent.

He's naturally like everybody else out there.

He's anti-Israel.

On the other hand,

He's an awful nice guy.

Speaking of the Barnes, we've had wonderful success in this expansion of the Barnes liaison.

We approved it.

It was a very long time, about 400 years.

After I gave it to you in September, I didn't get a clearance until the last part of December.

And I ended up kissing her.

I spoke to her about her children and me.

I got her now.

Our man in Tel Aviv is on personal, social contact.

several members of the captain played golf together during, and in Spain, Prince Carlos, and I'll leave it at that.

He played golf every afternoon together.

Of course, we gave him a tremendous amount of money, but he didn't want to go to jail.

Listen, let me ask you this.

On the drug thing, before I leave the drug thing, and I hope it's not the purpose of this discussion, but on the drug thing, I just want to be sure, John, that I, as a son of a scientist, am so strong, and I know that

I do not want the HMW or the National Institute of Mental Health to have a leaning forward stand.

Is that being heard?

We are down to the cruncher of what type of medicine is put together to bring in the blood to head it up and get rid of our National Institute of Mental Health.

Here's my concern.

Every time I pick up a paper from the

I tell you, I didn't.

I didn't.

You may be wrong, but I'm absolutely, as you know, I'm absolutely against legalizing marijuana.

Absolutely.

I said it in the press conference.

I'll say it again.

I will not hear anything to the contrary on it.

I don't let anybody in the government who disagrees with it get the hell out.

But mainly on this point, I think this deal you set up, and I'll have to admit, listen, Elliot Richardson's got enough to do

without getting into this drug problem.

That's the only one.

And we are thinking about setting up a new unit, a new agency, that would use some of the existing agencies, but this one would have the responsibility for allocating money, it would have evaluation responsibilities, and it could be held accountable for drug prevention and rehabilitation.

And most importantly...

Whom is this agency then reporting to?

You.

You would be an independent agency.

Good.

And what I will do is...

John, there's the, now.

No sir, it's not in the audit, but you've got to make it.

We have an appointment with you tomorrow.

Now, second point I want to address, I want to, I think there's one area, you've got to kick Laird in the ass about this.

I think Laird has been made aware of it, but not enough.

But what I mean is,

Do they have, in the Defense Department, anybody at the Assistant Secretary level who has this as his sole responsibility?

Shouldn't they have?

And we go there today, shouldn't they?

We have a draft right now, and they give it to Larry, telling him to do certain specific things.

And that would be to have a man crying on the end of the Department of Defense that he can run.

All right.

This one is good.

Maybe we better get Larry in, and I'll get a whole kitchen to the lake.

He'll follow him up, and he'll kill him.

Tomorrow, we'd like to get you in agreement on this pattern.

Then, as a follow-up to that, there will be a series of memoranda that will go to the various secretaries directing them to... We've got to pull this drug thing the hell out of HEW.

to get it in the place where we get it from the top.

I think it's a terrible problem.

We're not talking about enforcement here because John will have total enforcement responsibility.

I'm for that.

This is everything else to do with drugs except enforcement.

This is a good format, Mr. President, because it's the only way you're going to get a new problem quickly.

And your greatest problems are in the military.

Number one.

And secondly, get some of the methadone programs on the line, which they're fighting over at the NIMH.

Identify these people while they're still in the service.

Hang them.

Make sure they get treatment.

Make sure that they don't get away from us and get out of the society where they're going to be discussed.

We're seeing the way the military is pushing them out.

Is that a problem?

I mean, to me, just somebody in the defense department give his whole time to this building.

The Attorney General says they can't get rid of it fast enough.

Well, we've got to have them.

I mean, they're pushing them out of the service.

Yes, sir.

And with this article, I'm not necessarily saying that they're brushing over the question of identifying.

But this article is the fume that they catch.

Yep.

That is a letter to the CDC.

BCDs, a lot of them get BCDs, and a lot of them get out and die.

Well, if they get out with BCDs, you'll see the poor bastards then can't get a job, and they go out to get the drugs.

And they get no treatment from the VA either.

That's got to stop.

We've got to get at this, and I think we've got to bring Blair in.

with the three service secretaries, and they were at the dam.

Well, we've only got two now, and one of them is pretty good, and the other one is coming to see us.

He's not the one I was thinking of.

I was thinking of J.B. You think Siemens is pretty good?

No, I say, I think he's just so... Oh, I think Siemens is terrible.

He's from that Matt and the Prayer Group.

J.B. had to be at the dam.

J.B. was a little cracked.

And maybe we'll do what we say.

That's what I'm talking about.

Secretary's office.

It's only reason.

You see why you have somebody in the secretary's office?

Because this cuts across the street.

How about Roger's place?

They're cooperating now, aren't they?

I'm sure he's doing these other things.

Just me.

Nobody's very excited.

The problem here is that everybody says, let's not lock the boat down.

We don't want to get anybody upset.

And we've got to upset people a hell of a lot in this city.

That's what we're asking the church.

Mr. President, I would like you to have a few minutes to look at that.

You saw him coming back out of the party where he is to live.

But when he gets out from the embassy, he's out there with a problem.

I don't think it's a high-priority matter to have figures for attention here.

All right.

Now, shouldn't we bring Rogers into this thing?

Yes, now, here's the thing that I want to do, Mr. President.

If you call Secretary Perry and say, I want you to do this, he'll say, yes, sir, Mr. President, I'm right with you.

But, of course, we have some wonderful programs underway, and you'll get an enormous snow job.

And so that's what you're watching.

And, you see, what I need is one tough son of a bitch directly accountable to the President so that I can come in and ring his ass and he doesn't do something.

That's exactly, all of you folks will help me.

You're not a man, let's give you the name.

I'm not a man.

We have a few nominees, and we could use more, but what he needs is your written, and that he can follow up on a day-to-day basis.

You see, rather than just pointing to the main reason, for example, the main reason that Kissinger is affected, and feels that he is, you're affected by something, and feels that you'd be like this, the way we handle that segregation, without having to know who you are.

And Bill John's pretty important.

Well, I haven't had a bus in a long time.

To be honest, I mean, I've worked at it, but they had it all night.

But the reason that it works, you know, is that they know you've got a problem with the, you know, contact.

for two reasons.

I'd rather think we've got to get some heat.

What is happening on our leaders?

I gave that to you in September, and I've got to get word in.

So, Dr. Bishop and Romeo, you thought you were going to get word every week.

Dr. Bishop came over one day and said, you'd asked him about it.

Let me ask you this.

I'd like you to study, and you could not have this as your colleague.

As a matter of fact, maybe ask him what you want to see.

I want you to look around and see if there are a few other cities

I think we could do something.

I'll tell you why.

Let me tell you, John.

I traveled abroad during the 60s.

When I traveled abroad, and this is about as true, there were places where you had to go into these damn places.

Of course, I was a private citizen.

There were some places where every guy who came up to me, they always introduced me.

They never let me know, I mean, he was always part of the NCCA.

He was the guy that usually I found, I could always count on, I couldn't fucking count on, sometimes the foreign service guys would come up to me very good.

In many cases, we were weak.

And we'd leave those guys to him.

He needed key cities around this world where we've got some trouble.

The sheriff was going to have that on that part of your trip.

He's your man.

Oh, he said that?

He's extraordinarily good.

And a very important person.

Very important.

Reminds me of a guy I don't know.

He said, where do you think the hills stand on this?

of the video yeah i think a little missionary work has got to be done to live in there uh