{"conversationCode":"253-030","tapeNumber":253,"conversationNumber":30,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-253-030","startDateTime":"1971-05-26T22:33:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-05-26T22:42:00.000Z","startDate":"26-May-1971","startTime":"6:33 PM","endDate":"26-May-1971","endTime":"6:42 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On May 26, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 6:33 pm and 6:42 pm. 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(President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"253-029","nextCode":"253-031","transcript":[{"start":2.53,"end":2.87,"text":"Anything men."},{"start":2.91,"end":5.09,"text":"Yeah, yeah, I know."},{"start":5.15,"end":5.89,"text":"I knew you would."},{"start":5.93,"end":17.08,"text":"And at a later time, when you do meet him sometime, you'll just understand that, you know, you can tell he just has an understanding of the Chinese that's so deep."},{"start":17.1,"end":25.62,"text":"You know, when he said, look, you know, whatever happens in China is going to affect"},{"start":26.45,"end":29.03,"text":"until all of Asia, one way or another."},{"start":29.33,"end":37.97,"text":"He's really thinking in terms of, so many of our people don't even understand, they're looking for the whole place, or whether you recognize this one or that event."},{"start":38.41,"end":45.41,"text":"And he's thinking long range terms, and he's thinking, you know, that's right."},{"start":45.53,"end":49.51,"text":"Which may be an indication of what we're up against with that, too."},{"start":50.09,"end":52.61,"text":"They are not nearly as tactical as we have found them, aren't you?"},{"start":52.63,"end":56.13,"text":"The Russians, I've heard of you taking all the cheap shots of the Russians, too."},{"start":56.57,"end":70.24,"text":"And then when you, actually, if you do make the trip, you should, I mean, you want to stop someplace in the way that you might stop there for a day and take a day off."},{"start":70.52,"end":78.66,"text":"Because the reason to stop is you sort of get over there and go, and everybody does it."},{"start":81.33,"end":81.85,"text":"Tell me about it."},{"start":85.35,"end":88.55,"text":"It's like a cat."},{"start":90.08,"end":90.36,"text":"It's a cat."},{"start":90.38,"end":92.06,"text":"And then the word must be out."},{"start":93.76,"end":95.72,"text":"But can you hold it for one moment?"},{"start":95.84,"end":96.56,"text":"I think it's hoovering."},{"start":98.42,"end":101.15,"text":"And I'll call you right back."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discuss the strategic importance of U.S. relations with the People's Republic of China, emphasizing the Chinese leadership's long-range geopolitical thinking. Nixon contrasts this perspective with the more tactical approach of the Soviet Union while advising Kissinger on logistical arrangements for his potential upcoming trip to Asia. 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