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Edgar"],"prevCode":"253-034","nextCode":"253-036","transcript":[{"start":7174.53,"end":7175.27,"text":"Angela Davis, huh?"},{"start":7175.45,"end":7177.99,"text":"Well, you can get a lawyer, I understand."},{"start":7178.05,"end":7185.06,"text":"But my God, I mean, this is a, this idea that Angela Davis, I mean, of course, it's really funny, that's what Patrick said."},{"start":7185.12,"end":7186.02,"text":"She ran off."},{"start":7186.1,"end":7190.22,"text":"She, they, they, they, this crowd, this Barragan crowd, they've got to be in Pennsylvania."},{"start":7190.26,"end":7193.93,"text":"They're, they're, all of a sudden, they're putting out all kinds of propaganda."},{"start":7193.95,"end":7198.25,"text":"I think how they can't, they release it every day as to what their case is."},{"start":7198.29,"end":7202.45,"text":"What an excellent, I think, I think it's a very good thing."},{"start":7203.7,"end":7209.95,"text":"But the defendant's letter came out in the second indictment."},{"start":7211.06,"end":7214.26,"text":"That has caused a great turmoil amongst the followers of Philip XVI."},{"start":7214.32,"end":7217.26,"text":"And, of course, they believe that he was a sincere priest."},{"start":7217.3,"end":7220.5,"text":"He had nothing to do with this thing at all."},{"start":7220.96,"end":7224.66,"text":"He had to look for a romance with the sonata they had made for this."},{"start":7224.68,"end":7226.6,"text":"They think that he double-crossed them all."},{"start":7226.68,"end":7230.36,"text":"They think he had killed them, because the letter showed that he was not one to have an affair."},{"start":7230.44,"end":7239.13,"text":"And also, the letter showed about the talking about getting down at night and making the examination of the countenance."},{"start":7240.28,"end":7242.44,"text":"That release of that car is more good, I think, than any other."},{"start":7242.64,"end":7247.77,"text":"Now, of course, the government has been criticized for trying to keep the pavement."},{"start":7248.01,"end":7250.79,"text":"They went, they won't try, and they call up the people."},{"start":7250.85,"end":7251.73,"text":"Don't worry about that."},{"start":7251.79,"end":7260.08,"text":"The interesting part about that is the guideline for the attachment of that rudder was put into the County General's handbook for the Ramsey Park."},{"start":7260.72,"end":7261.2,"text":"That's right."},{"start":7262.2,"end":7264.2,"text":"He doesn't care what the doctor says."},{"start":7264.24,"end":7272.67,"text":"He has a story at the end of the day that he creates a lot of lies out of this, that he makes a lot of, that he's a junkie gentleman."},{"start":7272.75,"end":7276.53,"text":"And it was done when he had a new idea of life."},{"start":7276.65,"end":7279.81,"text":"Well, I haven't written the book."},{"start":7280.88,"end":7283.16,"text":"Don't ever, let me say it."},{"start":7285.12,"end":7287.36,"text":"Don't ever hesitate for one minute."},{"start":7290.42,"end":7297.75,"text":"They asked me about it when I was in California."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and J. Edgar Hoover discussed strategies for strengthening public support for law enforcement and the military amidst ongoing anti-war protests and civil unrest. The President emphasized the need for a national narrative that frames service and law enforcement as pillars of societal stability, contrasting this with the negative portrayal of such institutions by media and protest movements. 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