{"conversationCode":"254-019","tapeNumber":254,"conversationNumber":19,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-254-019","startDateTime":"1971-05-31T22:20:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-05-31T22:30:00.000Z","startDate":"31-May-1971","startTime":"6:20 PM","endDate":"31-May-1971","endTime":"6:30 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On May 31, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 6:20 pm and 6:30 pm. 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(President)","Haig, Alexander M., Jr."],"prevCode":"254-018","nextCode":"254-020","transcript":[{"start":2.49,"end":5.35,"text":"I think it is."},{"start":5.49,"end":13.96,"text":"For me, when some people are committing it all, it's like parodying it all the time."},{"start":14.6,"end":19.82,"text":"They say, specifically, concerned about how it fits them."},{"start":20.27,"end":26.39,"text":"They might play it to afford it, but I don't think they're going to do it as long as we don't."},{"start":26.51,"end":28.45,"text":"I think we still want to hear it."},{"start":28.49,"end":30.63,"text":"The difficulty is how it is going to be the next year."},{"start":31.53,"end":36.64,"text":"If it's the right thing to do, do it."},{"start":36.7,"end":39.5,"text":"Take those things and change them."},{"start":62.23,"end":63.79,"text":"It never, it doesn't change the Russians."},{"start":63.81,"end":64.87,"text":"It didn't change the Chinese."},{"start":64.89,"end":67.23,"text":"I don't think I've changed these people."},{"start":67.27,"end":71.49,"text":"What I'm really concerned about is that these guys really are playing us for suckers."},{"start":71.57,"end":74.43,"text":"They're getting into the deal simply because they're a foreign country."},{"start":74.59,"end":76.49,"text":"You know, they're changing."},{"start":76.53,"end":79.35,"text":"Hell, the atmosphere doesn't make any difference."},{"start":79.43,"end":82.28,"text":"I'm much more skeptical about this."},{"start":82.3,"end":82.72,"text":"I know that."},{"start":82.82,"end":85.68,"text":"I'm much more skeptical than Henry is."},{"start":85.78,"end":86,"text":"I know."},{"start":86.08,"end":86.78,"text":"I read that."},{"start":86.8,"end":87.92,"text":"I just re-read all of those things."},{"start":88.02,"end":89.34,"text":"It happened before."},{"start":89.38,"end":89.86,"text":"I'm not really..."},{"start":91.71,"end":94.55,"text":"But I'm sure in this case,"},{"start":120.59,"end":128.21,"text":"Right now, right now, I think it's the best chance, I would agree, to have the right minds."},{"start":128.23,"end":140.64,"text":"This is the time that you negotiate, particularly when also they must have in mind that we're talking to both the Russians and the Chinese."},{"start":140.66,"end":142.86,"text":"Trust me, go on."},{"start":143.04,"end":144.48,"text":"I agree."},{"start":144.54,"end":149.52,"text":"But I think, I think that we must not allow our military to see"},{"start":150.39,"end":160.42,"text":"I mean, you know, in the last few months, you know, those 31 guys, you know, in the last couple of days, we're not seeing anything."},{"start":160.5,"end":168.76,"text":"I mean, they've been very effective in the post-pandemic, you know, being in a position where all these people are proud."},{"start":168.82,"end":169.64,"text":"That's the point."},{"start":169.74,"end":171.76,"text":"You say, well, you know, it's true."},{"start":172.08,"end":172.56,"text":"It's true."},{"start":172.66,"end":173.12,"text":"It's true."},{"start":173.46,"end":174.21,"text":"It's true."},{"start":174.38,"end":174.76,"text":"It's true."},{"start":174.84,"end":175.31,"text":"It's true."},{"start":179.7,"end":181.54,"text":"inhibit our actions, which is wrong."},{"start":181.6,"end":186.1,"text":"We should never be inhibited by talking."},{"start":186.82,"end":189.22,"text":"If they don't stop, that's the other thing."},{"start":189.26,"end":193.19,"text":"You see, that's the point that we don't understand on our side."},{"start":193.33,"end":193.99,"text":"We should stop."},{"start":194.81,"end":196.13,"text":"That makes sense."},{"start":196.15,"end":197.59,"text":"Otherwise, they may quit talking."},{"start":197.67,"end":200.37,"text":"For Christ's sake, do they stop?"},{"start":200.71,"end":206.31,"text":"They bomb the hell out of us, you know, they lock all these shells in right when they know what talk's going on, right?"},{"start":206.35,"end":208.66,"text":"Do you miss them?"},{"start":210.13,"end":211.19,"text":"The next one doesn't count."},{"start":211.74,"end":212.16,"text":"Black?"},{"start":213.48,"end":214.68,"text":"All right, 845 counts."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Alexander Haig discuss the administration's skepticism regarding ongoing international negotiations and the potential for foreign powers to exploit U.S. diplomatic overtures. Nixon emphasizes that ongoing talks with the Soviet Union and China should not inhibit necessary American military actions in Vietnam. 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