Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 255-028
Date: Wednesday, June 9, 1971 at 8:25 AM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary; Sanchez, Manolo; White House operator; Acker, Marjorie P.; Kissinger, Henry A.
Recording device: Old Executive Office Building
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/255-028

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[0:08] It's a little about the case that had to take a business image that had to be built by himself.
[0:25] You let us know that you had a child.
[0:28] Yeah, I got it.
[0:29] It took, you heard of it, and yours are so beautiful.
[0:31] Well, mine isn't cursed.
[0:33] They don't have her address in it.
[0:35] Okay.
[0:35] But I don't know.
[0:36] They may have written her.
[0:38] That's what we're checking.
[0:39] I don't want to check to see if it was making a difference.
[0:42] I've written the letter in a way.
[0:45] Then read it again.
[0:46] I know.
[0:46] I realize that.
[0:46] So I just send it.
[0:47] That's all.
[0:47] I got an overriding.
[0:49] They're not very well organized.
[0:50] They're not trying to get it organized.
[0:52] I got an overriding.
[0:53] I said, in the future, whenever they send a note there to indicate it hasn't been replied to, it has not been replied to.
[0:59] I thought they did when they sent it.
[1:01] They don't.
[1:02] They don't.
[1:02] They just send it out and they go and I don't know how to get rid of them or not.
[1:07] We're telling them to call something else.
[1:11] Now what they have to do is send a letter to me.
[1:17] That's what we were doing, getting answers to put on council.
[1:23] We do have a letter that can go.
[1:29] I'm just kidding.
[1:31] Let me give you a couple of other things.
[1:41] I think various people that they're having problems and so forth.
[1:44] And I think that would be a good one to have an expert in this field on this idea.
[1:49] It's not a bad idea, actually.
[1:51] I just haven't got the time now to sit down and talk about it.
[1:56] But I would like to be involved in crime.
[1:58] I'm sure that's a pretty good thought.
[2:15] Who's idea is the good one here?
[2:19] I like the idea, and I will, I'll have it, I'll have it mine.
[2:33] Tell him that.
[2:35] You had me call him to tell him that.
[2:40] What?
[2:40] That he was going to be sick.
[2:44] He doesn't get it.
[2:45] It was good, but you had to tie it.
[2:47] Well, you already told me.
[2:49] Yeah, you would try to do it, but you would prefer it to be those things.
[2:53] Yeah, that's right.
[2:55] But I can tell you, you don't have to do it.
[2:56] Yeah, so we had to find, he didn't probe around to see what we did.
[3:01] I just don't want to put something out that's just solely for somebody else.
[3:07] So I called them and told them that.
[3:12] I know.
[3:12] You had it for the other day, and then you had to go on with that meeting.
[3:17] Henry Jackson is a trust material.
[3:19] Okay.
[3:19] Well, that's on the way.
[3:22] Berners used to buy it.
[3:25] Yeah.
[3:26] Berners?
[3:26] Yeah.
[3:27] We're not buying any members of the House or Senate.
[3:33] But Trisha did work for him, and Bob Hope and all that crowd, you know,
[3:41] I suggest that you ask Patrick, you know, on a credit card, where a couple of other computers are going to be equal.
[3:48] You can call George and say, where are we?
[3:50] We don't know what we're getting into.
[3:52] We're heading to the White House.
[3:54] We're going to be here for the rest of the afternoon.
[3:56] We're going to be here for the rest of the afternoon.
[3:59] We're going to be here for the rest of the afternoon.
[4:08] I say that because she has a few friends, like Bob Odle.
[4:13] Oh, those are her people.
[4:15] Okay, you mean the ones here?
[4:16] Our family people, Patricia had Bob Odle, and that kid from UCLA, she's been with all of them.
[4:22] They all go out together.
[4:24] I know.
[4:24] That's a different group.
[4:25] I know, I know, but I mean, they're White House people.
[4:29] That's right, that's all right.
[4:30] They're her friends.
[4:32] No, the only White House people are Joseph and Flanagan.
[4:36] There's all the systems on them.
[4:38] I cut everybody else off.
[4:41] And John Davies is the only one I guess who's not.
[4:47] Who's not the best?
[4:47] Davies.
[4:48] I listed all of them at the time.
[4:51] Well, I know of a group.
[4:52] We had so damn many on there that we had to take some more.
[4:55] No, no.
[4:55] I just put it down.
[4:56] We ran down there all over.
[4:58] It was the Davies and Jack Sherwood.
[5:02] I can't remember who else marked them, and we can regret it, but then, um, Tricia, as she should, added a few more people, and you added those publishers, and so... No, she didn't pick them.
[5:15] Oh, yes, she did.
[5:16] Thirteen people.
[5:17] Right.
[5:19] Thirteen people were added.
[5:21] Tricia called out a social office when they were added.
[5:27] Some of them are coming, some can't come.
[5:30] One is going home.
[5:31] Mike told us that there are hospitals that have operations.
[5:37] That's where it ends.
[5:40] That's where it ends.
[5:42] But the number is so that you can do marketing, to do a couple of things.
[5:50] Even though we don't know it, we don't have it.
[5:54] We don't have it.
[5:56] And the ones, all of like Schultz, um, Rumsfeld, Finch, the ones with Kevin Finch.
[6:06] Oh, Manny?
[6:06] Of course not.
[6:07] Manny and Kevin.
[6:08] Early?
[6:09] Manny and early Miss Halden.
[6:12] Okay.
[6:12] Was everybody else consistent?
[6:14] Well, but they were put on again because they shouldn't have.
[6:19] And Harry Clyde.
[6:21] Clyde and Harry Clyde.
[6:24] Ray Pryor.
[6:25] Ray Pryor.
[6:26] Well, that's... As you can.
[6:27] That's got to be right, because...
[6:30] But they're not heading halfway through the line all the way to Staten Island.
[6:34] That's right.
[6:35] That's right.
[6:36] He's not.
[6:36] He isn't the same guy.
[6:37] That's right.
[6:38] What do you find?
[6:40] Well, that's the problem.
[6:43] We can't run that through that list.
[6:46] That's right.
[6:47] We can't run that through that list.
[6:51] Well, there's no way to, you know, there's no way to have everything.
[6:54] I think, I think Dr. Whitehouse, I think it was very... John H.?
[6:58] Well, maybe, I suppose he should, but when you look at some of the other people around him, who have known him longer than John H.?
[7:07] Well... You can't put all... John H. is the one that... ...worked with all that crowd over there.
[7:18] Yeah, he does.
[7:19] I think John Davis should.
[7:20] I think Jack Sherwood should be.
[7:23] He was the first Secret Service man.
[7:25] He carried other kids around with him.
[7:29] Plus, we'd never be here.
[7:30] Yeah, but that won't matter.
[7:31] Rex is, because we've got Rex as a thing, too.
[7:33] Rex should be out in the showroom, too.
[7:52] I didn't call him.
[7:53] Before you gave him the ushers, Pat was going to have me call.
[8:01] I mean the publisher.
[8:05] I think she had Pat Dunbar.
[8:12] Patricia was kind of fighting Rock now, and his wife, yes.
[8:15] Who's Rock?
[8:16] The little pal who was the author of these things.
[8:19] He's the one who sort of ran through his wedding.
[8:21] Now he's around Patricia.
[8:25] He's the third.
[8:27] The last three.
[8:27] Those three.
[8:29] Those three calls.
[8:30] And Frank Jarvis, but we did not call him.
[8:32] I don't know if you've heard of him yet.
[8:36] Can I ask you about on the Finch party, which is Saturday night?
[8:41] Yes.
[8:43] Have you asked them if they have that at your table house or something?
[8:46] They have a table house.
[8:48] All right.
[8:48] I didn't.
[8:49] And I'll tell you what else I thought, because when I talked to him yesterday, he was going to call Jack, or Elaine, and tell Jack that we'd like them to be a third co-host in the background, to keep people who came in front of him.
[9:06] And that way, he'd be sure to get them out of the way.
[9:12] Because Helene answered when they went to a bicycle, was, well, you know, my children want things to see everything from the very end or something, which means she thinks it would be the last person on the White House.
[9:24] And so Bob thought, if I haven't something, maybe telling them anyway, they're back, I hope.
[9:31] We told Bob, now, there's no problem on his back.
[9:36] That's great.
[9:37] And I'll take that out of the text.
[9:39] Thank you.
[9:42] Did you, uh, did Billy bring the money?
[9:45] No.
[9:45] No, I've never talked to him, sir.
[9:48] He is very attached, because I've got to call him.
[9:50] I've got a list of money.
[9:51] Right, I've got to call him.
[9:52] Can I have a chance to bring that over?
[9:54] It'll only take you a minute.
[9:56] I've got to call him about, you know, I have to call him about, uh, you know, the honor of America Day.
[10:02] I don't know.
[10:03] Would you like to go back and call him, please?
[10:07] Back.
[10:08] You know, the original, there is, I cannot remember.
[10:10] I just got to go.
[10:13] Can't call it now.
[10:17] It's too late.
[10:18] Good night, Lars.
[10:19] It's a great opportunity to meet with you.
[10:22] See what I thought of it.
[10:26] I really don't think we can beat this.
[10:32] Look at L.A., when the pitch is there, they'll all want to play you through everything.
[10:36] L.A. can send you through everything.
[10:38] Then they should do what's due when I'm supposed to leave.
[10:41] Somebody's got to leave sometime.
[10:42] Well, isn't everybody supposed to leave when the bride leaves?
[10:46] When the bride leaves, that's when the reception's over.
[10:51] And the thing is that I think, when you unpack all the pigeons, don't be sure you didn't get a pig.
[10:55] Well, if Christ had done that, I think it was kind of natural.
[10:59] He's a pigeon.
[11:01] You have to go after Patricia and Pat, and Julie, and I would say that's it.
[11:06] I don't think she even asked me to come.
[11:12] Oh, Christ.
[11:13] I don't know her.
[11:14] Even the end of the house, she turned around and said something about there was weather.
[11:19] She'd weathered where that rally went.
[11:23] Well, I might have to go.
[11:26] You might have to, but you don't have to go beyond that.
[11:29] No friends, because once now, if you start, you don't stand a chance.
[11:33] She's too dumb.
[11:34] But she's rather than blind, believe me.
[11:38] Oh, I know, I know, but she doesn't do it.
[11:40] I mean, I just say, question and agree.
[11:43] I know.
[11:43] She's better than a lot of the others.
[11:46] But if I do her, then I've got to use all the Ryan chips.
[11:49] That's right.
[11:50] And, uh... And, uh... Well, I'm not going to do it.
[11:52] I am not going to do it.
[11:54] She is.
[11:56] I don't think so.
[11:57] She is such a witch.
[11:58] Well, I'll tell you what I was just going to say to you.
[12:01] I don't want us.
[12:02] I've thought more about it.
[12:04] I don't think we're bad or anybody.
[12:06] We saw her in others.
[12:11] Oh, no, you can't do that.
[12:13] The thing that I can do is look away.
[12:15] You've got to handle it in a way that she doesn't come around to you.
[12:21] If you say they get in tonight, you don't want to come.
[12:26] They arrive in Ellicott on the 5th of July, about 5 o'clock.
[12:29] Can anybody advise them to get in tonight?
[12:33] That is the problem tonight.
[12:35] And the two boys, they surely won't arrive with the boys who have not been around here at all.
[12:41] And, and not leave them.
[12:43] But you see, um, it's a great thing tonight.
[12:56] Oh, yes, I can.
[12:57] Very grand.
[12:57] If I had them, I'd have a friend.
[13:01] You know, sure, of course, because he doesn't like him.
[13:07] I can't do it.
[13:08] I can't do it.
[13:11] Yeah, I don't mind if you do it because of me.
[13:14] Oh, sure you do.
[13:16] Fair enough.
[13:17] It's a thing that you can't get here, but young, new, white guy can't do it.
[13:23] What?
[13:25] What?
[13:26] What?
[13:26] What?
[13:59] What?
[14:00] What?
[14:02] What?
[14:02] What?
[14:35] One, two, three, four.
[15:02] Well, on this thing tonight, I guess there's nothing, you know, you need to do then.
[15:12] He'll come tonight.
[15:14] But I think we've just got to let it go, Rose.
[15:19] I agree.
[15:19] He does feel strong, as I told you.
[15:27] Yeah.
[15:27] On this though, so how do we handle this?
[15:54] I'm afraid we left a call.
[15:56] If we kept the call, we're off.
[15:59] Yeah, sure.
[15:59] I'm worried.
[16:00] Given the tent, yes, we will.
[16:03] And I just don't want to have a tent.
[16:06] I don't want to have a tent.
[16:08] Well, we'll do the best we can.
[16:10] But now, wait a minute.
[16:12] At least we've got her set for Thursday.
[16:15] She doesn't want her Thursday.
[16:18] She was invited.
[16:19] Well, she's gone.
[16:22] Friday night is your year.
[16:25] Well, she's coming for that.
[16:27] We'll see her there.
[16:29] What about Thursday night?
[16:30] I'll see her there.
[16:31] I don't know if I invited her to the party, but I'll see her there.
[16:41] That's good.
[16:42] Where are you going?
[16:42] You just have to be clear with me.
[16:44] You have to.
[16:45] Tonight Trish is having her maid of honor and all those things.
[16:48] Trish is not inviting a lady tonight.
[16:50] She is not inviting a lady tonight.
[16:53] And I couldn't swear to anything, you know.
[16:55] I'm not going to say anything.
[16:57] I don't even know who all is going to be there.
[17:01] I'm not doing anything for you.
[17:03] It's crazy to get into this business.
[17:08] Trish is going to call.
[17:11] She'll be here.
[17:13] I'll let you know when she's there tonight.
[17:17] That's how they get income.
[17:18] Will you check to see whether the square is available tonight?
[17:21] It is available, I can tell you that, because he held it.
[17:25] I talked to him yesterday on the internet, I said he has to come.
[17:27] Campbell said he just put a hold on it for the whole week.
[17:31] Thinking that, you know, you mentioned the paper, Trisha and Edmund want to go tonight.
[17:37] And also the paper, you want to go on Instagram.
[17:40] Well, Pat will be busy, I don't think.
[17:43] Tomorrow night I'm all set, obviously.
[17:46] Hopefully.
[17:46] You're a Mrs. Brown, but Haley is not, and I don't think she would do that.
[17:53] Okay.
[17:53] I told Julie and Sam, I talked to them.
[17:54] Why did I watch Julie?
[17:56] I said, I think, you know, I said, Julie, one time I think you will be well on the members.
[18:00] Elaine, it's not as good for your mother as you think, because you're not around her now, she's there.
[18:08] I think that must be some, and I'm sure that's that, because I think Julie has encouraged it, thinking it was all a good, good path.
[18:15] That does it.
[18:16] It tells us all that.
[18:18] I don't know if that's true.
[18:20] I don't know if that's true.
[18:22] I don't know if that's true.
[18:25] But what I'm saying, I didn't like it.
[18:28] I didn't like it myself.
[18:30] I didn't like it.
[18:31] I don't know if that's true.
[18:35] I'm going to make a point not to get trapped in that, and they shouldn't be coming today, or what in the hell if they come with their kids?
[18:43] They are, their kids are coming.
[18:45] Yeah, but they're coming the next day.
[18:46] No, the daughter and her husband are coming the next day.
[18:51] Larry and Bruce are coming with them tonight.
[18:55] Oh, well, that's good.
[18:57] Bruce wants people to think she's back here, even if she doesn't depend on him, she wants everyone to see her.
[19:03] I guess she does some goddamn folktales now, huh?
[19:06] Oh, oh, I know her from hearing the other people.
[19:08] I had some of the articles that she gives out.
[19:10] She gave out about some kind of thing.
[19:13] That way, as far as you know.
[19:15] You can vote every night next week in case you want to do that.
[19:19] I had the idea that you might go out on them.
[19:24] And my owner said yesterday, if she moves in on Sunday, I think you ought to take...
[19:29] I'll go on.
[19:30] If they hear it in one of the cabins or with any of them, I'll just go on and just stay on.
[19:36] Yeah.
[19:40] You're too, I really mean it.
[19:41] You are too important to this country.
[19:42] I know.
[19:43] That's true.
[19:43] That's true.
[19:44] It's really a little less nice.
[19:45] You know, I've got a, I've got a very important service.
[19:49] I've got a lot of money.
[19:52] I've got a lot of money.
[19:53] I've got a lot of money.
[19:55] I've got a lot of money.
[19:56] I've got a lot of money.
[19:57] I've got a lot of money.
[20:00] I've got a lot of money.
[20:05] One night off, I can see her.
[20:19] I don't think she'll bring Jack and all the kids today if it's Monday night because they're in a hotel room.
[20:32] She wouldn't think they could all come and pick her up.
[20:36] I don't think Jack and the kids will go back on Monday morning.
[20:44] Is that how long their hotel room is?
[20:55] But they do care.
[20:58] They care deeply.
[20:59] They're the ones who called.
[21:06] They did.
[25:58] But we can't learn to get them together with you around.
[26:00] Because then the two of them sort of badger at you, or are negative about you.
[26:06] And that's what we can't have.
[26:09] So let Elaine and Jack, let them drive past crazy for a while.
[26:15] Later, I'll tell you, that weekend at Camp David, and she got rid of it the next morning.
[26:19] She told Elaine she was busy.
[26:21] Oh, we couldn't leave her.
[26:22] So that's the only answer I have.
[26:27] Hello, I bring you back.
[26:29] Yeah, yeah, are you free now?
[26:32] All right.
[26:34] Well, let's do it then.
[26:35] But I decided, though, that next year, I'm not going to allow it.
[26:38] Remember, next year, I'm not going to allow anything to interfere.
[26:43] I'm going to be ruthless.
[26:47] I'm going through the wedding thing because I have to, you know.
[26:50] Oh, of course.
[26:51] And I go home every night, and I do everything I can, and I get everybody, you know, and I... Once you're through this wedding thing, then once you're through this wedding thing, you've got to just date for 18 months from now.
[27:01] You're exactly right.
[27:03] I've got to do less than that for 15 months.
[27:05] That's right.
[27:05] My point is, I've just got to do it.
[27:09] I've got to get everybody to start helping me.
[27:12] There's no busy buttering around here, you know.
[27:17] Well, I'm going to, if we get out of California, or if I go anywhere from now, when I have a chance to talk, at the right moment, I'll go out there.
[27:25] I think you can handle the children pretty well, and I understand that completely.
[27:29] After all, I understand the deep dedication of those who, you know, like your tradition.
[27:44] Well, I don't think they can call the minute they got in.
[28:09] Yeah.
[28:10] Yeah.
[28:13] Yeah.
[28:14] Yeah.
[28:15] Yeah.
[28:40] Say that again, will you, Daddy?