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Hello?

Billy?

I just wanted to be sure you were all set for the wedding.

Yeah.

Looks like you sound as if you've been running.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I'm just fine, just fine, just fine.

Yeah, where did I get you?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, you're on.

Oh, that's right.

Oh, my goodness.

They want to do the laughing.

Well, that's just, isn't that nice?

Well-looking people.

Just like that bunch that came here to Washington.

They ship those all over the country now.

You heard them down there even at the Johnson Library.

There were only three or four hundred, but they shipped those people in.

A lot of those people were horrible.

They were ready.

Yeah, but I'll tell you, get your folks in good practice because we may have to use them next year.

Yeah, yeah.

You've got some good strong team guys.

These people are cowards, too.

They're cowards.

You must have cracked them.

Well, you know, in Chicago, you've got a much better press than you have in New York.

New York has all the papers there.

That's mid-america.

Those are good people.

I'm glad you're there.

It was great.

Well, we've got to...

Yes, we have her and Pearl Bailey.

We don't have many of our friends of that type, you know, but we can advise that they're old friends.

I think that would be good.

You're bringing up a lot of good news.

You did a great job.

Well, we take good care of you.

See you there.

Oh, well, we'll drink, you know, one of them.

One of them.

Anyway, you take care of yourself, and we look forward to seeing you.

And I'm glad you're glad that it's going so well.

How many days have you been there?

I need to go.

Right, right.

You don't feel that there's a turning.

You begin to feel that some of the young people are turning the other way.

When I was in Tulsa, I saw quite a few of those people.

You know, you talked about, what is it, they called themselves the gear people.

They were there.

And in Alabama, my friends, they were out there.

They were from Venice.

Or in Oklahoma and Alabama, of course, that's on you.

We were there.

That is still a good country.

Yeah.

You?

What do you mean?

You think they are?

Yeah.

Yes, yes.

Like that book I told you, the Oliver book, that really shook me when I read that to show us what they've been doing.

But we have a feeling, you know, after my press conference a week or two weeks ago, I had a week when they polled, there was a poll taken by a fiction researcher,

And they asked, they said, you know, remember, the president was always trying to get at you, whether we should have arrested you, demonstrated.

And I had taken a strong line.

They said the president supported the police.

And I said, who's the president?

71%.

And as a matter of fact, more of them really believed we should have been talking to them.

It's an amazing thing that people are, now understand, they don't want to hurt anybody, but they do not like this kind of, they're getting sick of this.

Of course, Lindsay is a disaster.

And New York is now, you know, the sewage men are on strike.

They're letting the place live.

What is it?

Yeah.

And what is, and one of the other problems, of course, is that it is, well, it's not an emergency, but it is the problem also that it is the fountainhead, too, of the median.

And one of those, the network, one of those people in Chicago had to be helped.

But, yeah.

Well, we're weak.

Well...

They were really mad.

They were really after me.

I was talking to a group of FEC executives.

I said, I was talking to them.

They said, look, you don't really get mad.

I said, you're talking crap.

I said, you're all executives.

I said, well, now look, I said, you never heard me take them off.

I said, well, I'm honest.

I said, of course they're lying.

I said, they don't agree with my position.

I said, you heard me.

I understand that.

I don't complain about it.

But on the other hand, if you're very sure that when they raise their questions, I've got to answer them.

Hey, you know, that's pretty shibboleth.

Shibboleth, because we just cannot.

I think it's time for some of our people to start speaking up again.

Matt's a nice man, you know, he's a kind man.

He's a kind man, but what he has is a bunch of real left-wing writers, and that's the way he is.

You know, the whole thing is Jewish truth.

Do you think I should have been a rapper on the press?

Somebody, one of my fellow white, you know,

When Bill, when William S. White, you know, who's Johnson's great friend and a columnist, he writes very, very effectively and very, but he wrote me a letter.

He said he felt that I was very, you know, considerate, but he said that he really felt that after they asked the question, the same question a fourth time, he said, now look here, you've got time now,

I've covered that question, and people are entitled to ask other questions.

There is, you know, stuff on Twitter.

We don't agree with it.

And you actually take action with it pretty much.

Some.

But I remember you talking about it before.

All right, just keep hitting the same line.

That's the line.

Well, anyway, you take care.

We'll see you in a second.

Bye.

Uh, talking to the far right, Billy Graham.

Uh, he had 30,000 there last night.

Somebody hit him.

He was trying to come in, and he said, uh, Jesus, you motherfucker.

They're shouting that out now.

I'm telling you, that pissed about eight.

Mid-America turned on a lefty.

Can you imagine such a thing as that?

Oh, these horrible people.

Yeah.

Graham thinks, uh, he thinks, uh, he really thinks Henry did the good.

Hello?

Ron?

Hi, how are you?

I'm just sitting here talking to Henry Kissinger, he just walked in, but I wanted to tell you two things.

One, a little bit of good news, and a second to thank you or something.

We've, you may have heard this,

We have a very large federal shipbuilding program, you know, which has been approved.

And we've been trying to look for a good place to put a contractor.

And we're gonna, we're gonna stroke a big one into San Diego.

Now, what I would like, what I'm thinking of doing, it has to be done before June, is probably to invite back a handful of people to just maybe, you know, push it to the side and so on.

I don't have, I'll be, if we do it here.

Either that or, see, I can't go to California in the latter part of June because I'm not able to do an announcement there.

If we do do it, I was thinking it would be in touch with you if you could come and talk to me about it.

Because it will show that the administration, we've got some other plans too, you know, saving water and a few other things.

We're going to Orange County in San Diego.

But this shipbuilding is a good contract.

It will start creating jobs almost immediately.

So we'll be in touch with you, and we'll be in touch with you that day.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Well, yeah.

Let me suggest this.

If we can't, if I can't do it that way, if I can't get the right people here, then what I will do is to have stands go out and go to San Diego.

But I think you ought to go down because, you know, San Diego is a good spot for us and they have time on it because of that aerospace thing.

And so we'll put them in there.

The second thing I want to do is to thank you for that really brilliant letter you wrote to the young Americans for freedom.

That was really, really far beyond what you needed to do, but I do want to appreciate it.

I'll let Henry say hello to you, if you haven't had a reason.

I was going to say, if it does work out, if you could come, then I'd be happy to get another phone call if you can hear it.

All right.

Well, I've got nothing.

I may see you on Sunday, but I may go out there with that.

All right.

We have a number of bedroom developments now.

Yeah.

Actually, there's a lot more going on right now.

That's what we need to look at.

So actually, there's a lot more going on than meets the eye.

And I think we definitely need to do more.

Right.

We've got a chance there now, too, but we'd like to prove it and see how it develops.

Casualties have been in the world since the 19th, or at least since October 1965.

In case of the trend of things, it's confusing.

You've got to remember, uh, uh, just, uh, read that letter.

Yeah, yeah, you know, it came out, asking the Russian president, saying they came out against us on the announcement.

You've got to remember, that's, you know, that's the point.

You've got to, you've got to, you've got to read, you've got to remember exactly what you're talking about.

I, uh, talked to the, uh, married couple.

Well, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the

I talked to George, and George said that he wanted to get together and talk about the budget so that we could get some thinking with regard to the bills and so forth.

And John, Bob, all of them had the idea that we wanted to be ready for a week or so.

So I have a different question.

George, are we ready to have a bunch of talk?

He isn't talking about the July meeting.

That's something else.

He's talking about the end meeting.

That's something else.

Along this, though, but would you want to have this bull-dredger deal with this before the 10th of May?

Yeah.

That doesn't mean I'm going to go up there.

I'll leave you with a half a day and a half.

The other thing though, John, I don't really want to look at that until you have done a little more thinking with regard to

that proposition we were discussing about what creates jobs, you know, and what does not create jobs.

And I said, I just called Ray on the phone and told him that we were going to give him that contract and that we would be announcing it later, you know, until he wasn't even wanting to come.

My point is that I think that that kind of analysis is necessary because, for example, one thing that Maury stands for,

Schultz owner, I can understand that.

I don't down on the $200 billion for a census at all.

I mean, we just can't, we've got to stop some folks.

And don't you agree?

And I said, I looked straight at him.

I told him, hey, Schultz, how many jobs did you create?

He said, none.

Well, it doesn't create, it created, frankly, 15,000 jobs.

It was just a question of going wild.

I didn't know what to do.

Well, there must be other things.

There must be maybe some defense.

There must be other areas.

I think everything must be oriented in that direction.

So we won't be ready for that.

Okay.

Yeah.

Well, just so I know there are some job things and where you're going to go.

And Cunning is the only one that's got money, though.

Transportation's got money, Romney's got money, all these people.

The Amazon.

The museums, by golly, don't put it in New York City.

You know what I mean?

Put it in Rochester.

I mean, I understand New York State's not where it's going to help us.

Exactly.

There are others.

There are other places that aren't bad.

Okay, well then you talk about that.

You and Jordan, we're going to, I'm willing to do, to have a meeting anytime.

I'll even meet, you know, 27 people.

I mean, you love it.

All right, fine.

Fine.

All right, fine.

Next time, next week.

But at least say no

Gleason said he won't say anything funny about it, but he wants us to know that he won't work on the ship.

And now he's in the head of the ship's water, but he'll go ahead and get a new contract.

Uh, Lovestone said, he was saying that Lovestone said he will see to it that we end up with an L.C.I.O.

or something like that.

We have trouble with Chinese, because the west coast deal needs to be signed up, it's not scripted.

We'll see if it should work out, if the police can get it, and if the Chinese can't.

I'll tell you what they're doing.

They're looking back because they think the damn dumb farmers, who aren't all that dumb, and they don't really know any more than the dumb businessmen, a little bit of that, they think of 800 million starving Chinese eating up our wheat, see?

And that's why we need to get rid of some of these things.

They don't know what I'm talking about.

I tell you, you won't.

He knows it.

He's a friend.

We said, oh, so did Loveston, oh, they're two great guys, so Loveston was great, and Loveston said, Loveston, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on,

I can't say that you were sure you weren't going to do anything else in here.

But I know for a fact that I could have done it.

But maybe it was just being ready to be a son.

He said, you can tell me you're getting a business out of this, but... No.

Yes.

But I can't tell you anything.

But he doesn't...

I don't know if it's going to be closed, but...

I think I could always be weak, can't be goddamn great.

Well, then I will approve.

I want you to know I approve of the grain thing.

However, I think it's very important to get out.

And then you, however, I think on this one, if you would inform the greater, on the grain thing, and let's get some of those damn agricultural people, I'm very interested in just

I agree.

Uh... Bill Sullivan, uh...

He said, hey, that was the thing.

So, actually, it was not me.

It was an icon of me, and I'm very clear.

The way that it happened, though, was not pretty.

It was a little bit better than it sounded, didn't it?

You know, tomorrow it will be less than $20,000.

So that's going to be bad.

But our people tomorrow, it will still be the same.

Oh, and then it's going to be $19,000.

And the way to play that is to do what a columnist does, right?

The President did it right again.

Let's look at this category.

He said categories that would go down after Cambodia.

They did.

He said categories that would go down after Laos.

They have.

Now let's look at this category.

You know, God damn it, we've got some things to brag about.

I mean, I think that's our real, that's the game this month.

I'm not, as you know, I don't want us to do anything.

You have, we have, you have control in this, and you've kept your thoughts in order in this.

I keep going into everything.

We are doing our best, and it has to be that the stakes are too high to throw out right now.

But I can assure you that with all these things that are going on, the one thing that I'm going to do is I'm going to talk to you about this.

I'm going to talk to you about this.

to turn it down, it would probably give us conditions we can't accept.

This one tweet interview really has to be read in the context of this talk that's made.

There's a lot of stuff in there that no one really understands.

He went and said, you'll have to come to me this morning for a meeting, and said we've always had military and political things that we need to settle.

He said today, he said we'll settle this business, you won't really take down the law.

That was a big day.

Um, if that gives 12 months, then I'll just look it up again and say 6 months.

It says 12 months, then I'll say 5, 6, 5, 6, 5, 1, 9, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1.

But of course, the big one would be if he cannot stop giving aim.

But he had to pay a little more than he's already spent.

The thing that I'm concerned about is this.

With all of our data, I know you're aware of them.

We didn't have a problem that people want to make some progress.

We've got to give them a little hope.

And therefore be in a position to do what is right.

We shouldn't be playing this game.

China would be in my interest.

Maybe a little bit.

But my point is, even there, we play it whether we get it or not.

The other thing, you know, if China would play for us,

If I were to be honest with you, with all of you, with my society, with my complexion, and with my absolute loyalty to my ancestors, I would say that we're goddamn fools at this point.

Now, not only are we a chunk, we've got to do it.

Now, the other also plays against the Russians.

We're not Russians.

Harry, you know what I'm going to start learning from Snow.

Therefore, we've got to move.

You see, we may be at this position in China, but I think we will be there.

China, you would never have had that kind of a vote.

Twice, twice.

Okay.

I reported with great enthusiasm to Chairman Mao.

I suppose, looking at our game, that we get the challenge.

Get the challenge.

I'm thinking of, clever thinking of, but I do know this.

The returning of Russia means coming back to the American people and getting back to the security balance.

Our defenses are going to have an accident.

This is going to require an advance pass and a lot of money.

The money.

I think you are a dangerous man if you don't do the right thing.

because the people who employ you, that's my point, and the people who employ you are beginning to stay with you only out of loyalty and not out of perfection.

Nobody else could do this.

Nobody else could have done China.

No Democrat could have done China, by the way.

No Democrat could have done Salt Lake.

We haven't done it yet.

But they wouldn't trust me.

The military wouldn't be on board.

The military would never trust me.

They told me.

They said they know that I'm not going to be on the side of the people.

But I think they did something out of facility.

I think they did something.

I think it's minus two, you know that.

I think it's minus six, too.

I'm not going to break the liberal.

I'm going to break the liberal and build up the military.

Build up the military and build up the military strength.

I'm not going to do that.

I'm going to be number one.

You ready?

That's it.

You cannot be in a position to take a second break.

There's nothing you couldn't this year or next year.

Get more out of practice and you can get it.

Clies against the house-to-house practice.

Go ahead and get mad.

for us to have any negotiations with the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of the best of

Uh, that's, that's not in the house.

Well, of course.

In fact, Mr. President, they turned us down.

Who said that?

We should say on May 31st.

The federal general.

I offered to follow him.

You need it now, sir.

He said to give you a date, but he never said to give you a date.

He said to give you a date.

He said to give you a date, but he never said to give you a date.

He said to give you a date, but he never said to give

When?

Now?

When do you think we should go?

Uh, well, uh, sure, sure, we can do it now.

Yeah, you mean before dinner, or would it be more likely to do it after dinner, after we come back?

That's why I, by all means, do want to see them.

The point is that, uh, the artistic and the dental thing, you see, is now $5.80, and we have to get $5.20.

And that's what we want to do right now.

We need to do it right, you know, after we get down to the boat and come right back over to you, and you can feel me in that, you know, that's not easy.

I think that'd be a better, uh, thing to be right to, but too much not to be.

Well, you want to come over now, then?

Yeah.

All right, fine.

And we'll all meet and leave at 6 o'clock, right?

Fine.

I'll try to get him down.

All right.