{"conversationCode":"258-005","tapeNumber":258,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-258-005","startDateTime":"1971-06-14T18:41:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-14T18:45:00.000Z","startDate":"14-Jun-1971","startTime":"2:41 PM","endDate":"14-Jun-1971","endTime":"2:45 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary;","description":"On June 14, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:41 pm to 2:45 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 258-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 258-5\n\nDate: June 14, 1971\nTime: 2:41 pm - 2:45 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nRose Mary Woods talked with President\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 03/28/2019.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[258-003-w001]\n[Duration: 1m 37s]\n\n[See Conversation No. 005-063]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n******************************************************************************","filename":["258-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:03:25","tapeEnd":"00:05:02","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Woods, Rose Mary"],"prevCode":"258-004","nextCode":"258-006","transcript":[{"start":5.83,"end":10.11,"text":"I don't know what I'm going to do."},{"start":10.15,"end":15.61,"text":"Do you know that she got in the queen's room again?"},{"start":18.19,"end":21.53,"text":"Do we know even that she's not a spin?"},{"start":21.75,"end":25.27,"text":"I'm talking about what Ben called her."},{"start":27.73,"end":40.06,"text":"They know, but they know that I was constantly there this last week."},{"start":40.1,"end":50.77,"text":"That's the other thing, so I don't think either one of them is my favorite."},{"start":57.24,"end":57.68,"text":"They don't."},{"start":57.7,"end":63.64,"text":"I can't take some time off, but I can."},{"start":64.26,"end":67.42,"text":"You'll let them feel that."},{"start":67.44,"end":68.52,"text":"You'll call them."},{"start":68.54,"end":73.82,"text":"No, I said, I'm not going to let you or anybody else do this."},{"start":73.88,"end":80.59,"text":"But if you would call or anything, I don't know."},{"start":80.61,"end":81.71,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":81.85,"end":82.85,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":82.89,"end":84.09,"text":"I don't know anybody else."},{"start":84.81,"end":85.63,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":86.83,"end":88.13,"text":"Okay, bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and his personal secretary, Rose Mary Woods, discuss personal staff frustrations and the management of office dynamics. The exchange reflects tension regarding internal personnel issues and concerns about the behavior of individuals with access to the President's inner circle. Woods and Nixon touch upon the difficulty of delegating these sensitive staffing matters while maintaining professional boundaries.","topics":["Staff management","Personnel issues","White House operations","Internal administration"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T12:08:39.298Z"},"topicSlugs":["staff-management","personnel-issues","white-house-operations","internal-administration"],"audioDurationSec":98,"audioFiles":[{"file":"258-005.mp3","bytes":3912950,"durationSec":97.69,"bitrate":320437,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:36.695Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/258-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/258-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/258/conversation-258-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}