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Tower\n         -The Roots of American Discontent by Arthur Steinfeldt [?]\n         -Letter of congratulations to Tower’s soon\n\n    Presidential ashtrays\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 2m 19s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n******************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 1m 25s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n\n******************************************************************************\n\n    Dolf M. Droge\n         -Woods’ forthcoming conversation with Richard A. Moore\n              -Report for the President\n\n    Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon\n         -State Department\n         -General Alexander M. Haig, Jr.\n         -Trips abroad\n         -Vice Presidint Spiro T. 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You can do it on Sunday, but I mean, suppose it's an anniversary of some sort, but I can't go to it."},{"start":2684.42,"end":2687.18,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":2687.22,"end":2693.72,"text":"Any special... She's awfully hard to get to know, you know, we haven't tried to kick her into going to Peru, which we've been talking about ever since."},{"start":2694.22,"end":2694.54,"text":"I know."},{"start":2694.56,"end":2696.76,"text":"But it was like a false success."},{"start":2696.9,"end":2697.06,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":2697.08,"end":2701.34,"text":"But she needs to do another one now."},{"start":2701.36,"end":2701.92,"text":"I'm sorry about this."},{"start":2701.96,"end":2705,"text":"You didn't know whether you could do it or someone else could do it."},{"start":2705.04,"end":2706.93,"text":"Here's the thing, anyone has really, and even with all this paper..."},{"start":2708.03,"end":2717.77,"text":"has given a speech or a talk or gotten an invitation for a young kid, like even his son, who's 17 or 18, saying, why are we in Vietnam?"},{"start":2718.35,"end":2720.55,"text":"How did we get there?"},{"start":2721.85,"end":2724.16,"text":"So that people can answer those 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