{"conversationCode":"261-026","tapeNumber":261,"conversationNumber":26,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-261-026","startDateTime":"1971-06-29T18:28:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-29T18:32:00.000Z","startDate":"29-Jun-1971","startTime":"2:28 PM","endDate":"29-Jun-1971","endTime":"2:32 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Colson, Charles W.;","description":"On June 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Charles W. Colson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:28 pm to 2:32 pm. 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