Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 261 › Conversation 261-037

Nixon & Ziegler on Pentagon Papers and Mansfield Amendment

Thursday, July 1, 1971 · 4:25 PM–5:55 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.; White House operator; Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan)Conversation261-037 on Tape 261 (tape position 03:31:52–04:00:12)StartThursday, July 1, 1971 at 4:25 PMEndThursday, July 1, 1971 at 5:55 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 261-037 ↗

President Nixon met with Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler to coordinate the administration's public messaging regarding the ongoing Paris Peace Talks, the Pentagon Papers, and the Mansfield Amendment. The discussion focused on managing press speculation and determining the appropriate government posture toward media inquiries and potential information suppression. Nixon expressed a desire to keep official statements brief and dismissive of the controversy surrounding the leaked documents.

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3:33:25And a little vote is for the girl, for their wife, our secretary.
3:34:20Mr. Nixon, please.
3:34:23Sorry.
3:34:24Sorry.
3:34:24I just wanted to give you a- Right, yeah, sure.
3:34:28I forgot about it.
3:34:32Yeah.
3:34:33They were positive .
3:35:45Let me say this.
3:36:12You've got to have a problem.
3:36:13It's a big problem.
3:36:14Oh, yeah.
3:36:53And that's just for posture and so forth and so forth.
3:37:16But it's not reflecting on that.
3:37:20It's not, that the positive does not relate to the other side.
3:37:27See, when Mansfield stated that, the point of stirring is speculation.
3:37:35Well, they don't realize it.
3:37:38There's that sense in the air that they have
3:37:44In the summer, of course, I would advocate right away, oh, we should accept this.
3:37:47Of course, you can't accept it even if you get out at the end of the year, you can't accept it.
3:37:55You're going to have to look at it now.
3:38:00No, I haven't.
3:38:01The, uh, I don't know.
3:38:02Maybe, uh, maybe break.
3:38:08You have to look at it.
3:38:11What is the situation on that?
3:38:20My inclination still is to resist the... Well, I know that the...
3:38:29I see in myself nothing to be... gained by going on black and out of shape about this... these papers.
3:38:56Everybody has a precious soul.
3:38:58The obsession that they have that I like to have.
3:39:00I don't think there has to be an expensive statement.
3:39:02Well, the major question is, however, wherever you are, the next time you submit a question, it will be the first question.
3:39:16Well, I don't know if you submit a question.
3:39:20Well, it's not the next one.
3:39:25I'm wondering if that would probably say something like that, but I don't know about you.
3:39:37But that time, if you're playing, you know something about me.
3:39:44So he was like, tell me.
3:39:45Well, by this time, by that time, it's a lot of writing.
3:39:47Well, Dick Warren's going to be working in a very small company.
3:39:54My own view is that it's not all that important.
3:39:58I think the repression is just great.
3:40:03I'm all for it.
3:40:04I'm not going to worry about repression.
3:40:07We're not trying to repress the South.
3:40:21I don't know that it has said.
3:40:26What people would we look for?
3:40:32The government has already managed to .
3:40:39I can't do that.
3:41:02Something very brief.
3:41:11Excuse me.
3:41:11I'm not advocating that.
3:41:13What I meant is I think you're covered.

On July 1, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, White House operator, and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:25 pm and 5:55 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 261-037 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 261-37

Date: July 1, 1971
Time: Unknown between 4:25 pm and 5:55 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with Ronald L. Ziegler

[The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 4:25 pm and
5:09 pm]

[Conversation No. 261-37A]

[See Conversation No. 6-81]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Press briefing
           -Paris talks

[The President talked with Thelma C. (Ryan) (“Pat”) Nixon between 5:09 pm and 5:10 pm]

[Conversation No. 261-37B]

[See Conversation No. 6-82]

[End of telephone conversation]
     Press briefing

          -Media speculation
          -Paris talks

     Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield amendment
         -Henry A. Kissinger
         -US position
         -Mansfield
     Pentagon Papers
          -John D. Ehrlichman
          -Press statement
          -Kissinger

     William P. Rogers
          -Richard A. Moore
          -John A. Scali

     Suppression of information

     President’s forthcoming statement in Kansas

Ziegler left at an unknown time before 5:55 pm
  • 261-035 3:55 PM · 30 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, Alexander P. Butterfield, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, unknown person(s), and John D. Ehrlichman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:55 pm to 4:25 pm.
  • 006-080 4:09 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and John D. Ehrlichman talked on the telephone from 4:09 pm to 4:11 pm.
  • 006-081 4:11 PM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 4:11 pm and 5:09 pm.
  • 261-036 4:25 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 4:25 pm and 5:09 pm.
  • 261-041 5:01 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 5:01 pm and 6:00 pm.
  • 006-082 5:09 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon talked on the telephone from 5:09 pm to 5:10 pm.
  • 006-083 5:10 PM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 5:10 pm and 6:00 pm.
  • 261-038 5:10 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Manolo Sanchez met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 5:10 pm and 5:55 pm.

Conversation 261-037, July 1, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/261-037 (accessed October 5, 2026).