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I was wondering how we could work out those meetings.

Like today we have at 1 and 3 o'clock.

Today is 3 o'clock.

We have at 4 o'clock.

Yeah, labor participation.

The question of, I'm not going to do anything else.

You've got to finish and run, so that's what I'm going to do.

And also, I guess you've got to meet with Larry, don't you?

No.

Why?

I'm not going to be scared of him.

I'm going to be all right.

You said Henry?

Yeah.

I'm just having a report to the security council.

What do you have the right to believe?

We have some things we've got to consider and not very much locked.

The only thing that's locked is the diplomatic credentials.

There's another three you've got to pick up.

And the intersense.

doing these foreign trade meetings for the Senate and the one that had to be put off.

Your original plan was to drop by the field.

Henry's having his congressional meeting tomorrow.

I don't think you're... No, I'm not going to do that.

I'm not expected to.

I don't think you should.

I'm not expected to.

I'm in no circumstance to want to do it.

So I'm not going to do any congressional meetings.

Were you able to get any reaction?

I'm not ready.

I'm just...

Yeah, he recognized me.

He had the same view you did.

He said, it just really pisses me off because all these guys, they have to come in and make the president aware of all this stuff.

And just that, Michael and they come in and said one word about the fact that we feel pretty good today.

And he said, it's all just bad.

He's the same way.

You know, I'm going to be a crybaby joke.

It's just amazing that...

Because as he's been up on the Hill, members just bore up to him, you know, saying, Jesus Christ, it was great to be home over the weekend for once.

You know, everybody came up and said everything was great.

And I borrowed this thing the president did.

And I said, the feeling you get when you walk around and talk to the individual members is just totally different than when they come in from the president and they all feel like it's the same thing.

I therefore just not have a relationship with you about once a month.

I just think that's one thing that's good.

But you agree?

Yeah.

They've shown themselves so objectively, you know, leaderless.

I mean, just to come in and whine and pick you around.

What the hell good does it do?

Believe me, what good does it do?

Well, that's been their recommendation.

You know, they're both talking about, you know, shit, shit, don't eat once a month, and then they already eat just because you're poor.

Well, okay, that's once a month, really.

We've had it now, we're gonna give him another one.

Well, I'm glad Clark saw it.

The other thing, of course, probably could be down to what I, you know, the whole Connelly theory, you know, he would have been shocked at that.

where you really gotta, you gotta really almost prime one of those student bastards to, you know, they should've said something because you're gonna have to do what you should.

Yep.

I mean, we thought that was fine.

I have never heard them say a kind word to those goddamn bastards.

It makes them feel better, too.

They just act unbelievably bad.

The part completely agrees with you that just, you know, bothers him too.

Maybe he doesn't know how to deal with it.

Maybe he can't.

Well, one way to deal with it is not asking him to do anything.

Okay, I'll have Larry come on.

Okay.

What's the Friday meeting?

What's that Friday?

Friday and Saturday.

I'm going to have to be here.

I don't know what you have to do.

That's fine with me.

Go ahead.

The only other, when is the budget meeting?

What time do we have in there?

Friday?

I might be starting to start, I might be knocking both of them off in a day.

10 o'clock in the morning, 3 1⁄2 in the morning, 3 hours in the morning, 3 hours in the morning.

We've got to get this goddamn thing working out.

Basically, we've got four meetings.

We're going to do it tomorrow.

What are we going to do?

We were going to do two a day.

We'll do it in two days.

that you can take them out of, and you can just pace it out.

I've talked to them about not going back to meetings.

So it's time to move on to the new ground, and get the decisions made, and the recommendations, and get it done.

So there's such a strength on that.

What you might be able to do is get three of them done on Friday and then do one Saturday morning.

All right.

That's good.

Great.

But they involve different people.

So we should set up sort of a pattern for them.

The first one, Henry's in, and then he's going to be in one other.

We've got to get this done.

So I got to get all of them finished, just set the schedule, so that they're all finished by January.

So they went off to the gate.

You know that we're ready, I said.

I mean, we're, we're going to take, we're going to take them down.

We're going to take them down in three or four hours.

nine to one on Saturday.

That's four hours.

I can't tell you how much they repeat.

They don't realize how much they repeat.

So they go on and on and on.

They don't need to.

I have a few things I've got to ask.

What's the decision on this?

They decide the rest.

They don't have to tell me how much they know.

I know they're smart.

It's just one of those things.

You've got to boil it down for them.

We're going to have to do it a little more.

That would be a lot of trouble for me to do.

This is a ceremony that means one of the 50 state presidents of the future Congress of America are going to be in here.

And they're suggesting that you come through the Oval Office.

They go through the Oval Office, but I'm not going to be there.

I did the, uh, I've done that before.

I mean, he did the national officers.

He had, uh, done a lot of shit.

Well, that's all right.

I'm not going to do that.

or a gimmick kind of way.

They did some good with 50 people, and that's about all.

Pretty true.

Okay, just like I go through the office, I'll be calm.

I think it looks like a good thing, but it doesn't really accomplish much.

Yeah.

There are a couple things next week.

We'll identify them then, Bob.

That's when I can.

I'd rather hear you.

I'd do it otherwise.

That's for sure.

The Secretary, they're proposing that Secretary Connolly present the first strike of the silver Eisenhower dollar, Mrs. Eisenhower, and the second one to you in just a little time when it comes to your office.

Sure.

Does it make?

The question is whether you have...

by Congress, congressional leaders, the cabinet, and all that kind of stuff there.

It seems to me it just is theology for that.

Bullshit.

There is one picture.

Let's have the picture.

Let's read it.

So Jimmy, just Mrs. Eisenhower.

You'll have to bring Mary Brooks, but wherever she walks.

That's right.

Mary Brooks is the director of the men and the secretary.

Right.

No, we can see it's just one picture.

Why don't we have a little font around that to shake your goddamn hand?

No, sir.

I wouldn't do it at all except for this day.

I know, I know.

Also, Conrad, you're not going to like this.

Al Shaney wants to report on his Vietnam trip home.

And there's a question of whether you will receive the Indonesian ambassador who is returning home.

And what they're suggesting is just a 15-minute office call where he says goodbye.

Okay.

The argument for it is, yeah, I've just been criticized a whole lot for not getting under the U.S. military assistance.

He's going back to a high post, a foreign minister or a military education.

And you can hand down criticism.

All right.

Bye.

And my, my auto passman wants to come in and see you just for a minute to ask you to talk over an amplified telephone call on October 4th to a Monroe, Louisiana drug conference that he's setting up.

You know, I have 10,000 people for him.

He says it's the biggest thing he's ever tried to pull off.

All right, I'm going to go to the town stadium.

He wants to visit his advance notice if you want to.

I heard a really good question.

Do you want to, I hope you have a shooter.

Go for it.

I don't know if you want to do anything, but I just thought you had a thought.

Well, it wouldn't be appropriate to throw any kind of a big deal.

I don't think it's dinner.

Even then, it's all things that aren't in which time.

You know what I mean?

I mean, we've got to talk about it.

And, uh...

I mean, what we can do is we can talk about it.

Well, we'll talk about something.

It's a very easy thing.

I hate to have you doing a stamp.

See, if you get a big thing, then you're stuck in a little, uh, cocktail party.

Oh, yeah, I see.

Uh, I just thought dinner might be a good way out for you.

Thank you.

Have a good one.

Julie's going to be around for a while.

You want me to talk to Julie and see if she worked in the office there at all?

Maybe she ought to go and do something.

No, I'd like to see her.

I'd like her to slow down.

I think that's the best.

I'll spend a half hour...

I thought I'd spend a half hour with him, talk about his plan, and I would go home and go, thank you for what you've done, and not have a dinner.

So he told me a bunch of best things.

It's a great conversation.

He told me twice.

He said that there are a lot of good dinners, a lot of simple, a lot of good things.

So he talked about the nonsense of the plan tonight.

I just wanted to tell him that.

Tiger Team wants to meet with you to talk about, I don't know if it's possible, the 12 veterans legislation overall.

And what they're suggesting is that the two teams, plus Don Johnson and Jerry Shelton's meeting would be on that subject, basically.

It's mainly therapy for Tiger Team, but he's asked for a meeting for a long time, and there's a way to do it on a basis that .

on his support, which is very important.

Do you have any desire to consider another big congressional staff reception on the White House law before they leave this year?

I see no reason to do it.

No, I don't think you should.

What was the purpose of the money last time?

We didn't have it in the long run.

We had a reception on the White House long last year.

It was, you know, they, it's a huge model.

They have two people, eight members staff, and two people, they have many staffs.

What's the ranking?

Members?

Yeah.

Congressional?

No.

I don't think, I mean, I don't remember what you did.

I guess you just went out and said, you got something.

I had a lot of money.

I just don't think it's necessary.

On naming the plane.

I think the way to do it is just to have the thing stenciled on and then put on the plane and then on your next trip have Dave Mahoney at the airport and we just have a picture saying that Dave Mahoney and the airplane is here in 70 seconds.

I don't think you want to make a big fuss out of it.

You don't have a big ceremony with people breaking bottles.

Absolutely.

and just get it done low key and there I did it.

Nobody's brought up any better hand.

I'm gonna buy some penetration aspirin and ask him if he wants to consider any.

Okay, good.

Good way to do it.

I don't mind having two or three other members, but they've been all invited from all over the country.

They're old boys.

And the kid in the middle house is thinking of getting here.

He comes from their family on a tour to White House today.

Well, that's fine.

You don't need to see him.

They're cousins.

This is to give them a nice tour of White House.

They used to stay here.

They're showing my office.

Dr. Fair, I think he was after two and a half years on the staff, and he'd be following you up here just before that very possible meeting.

So, uh, he'll be doing tomorrow.

No, his family is meeting today, and he was, yeah, before I used to be in the room.

Yeah.

Then we get to the question of fares, of travel, etc.

We've got this, going back to the question of that dam in Iowa.

It's Iowa and Missouri.

It's the biggest event that's going to be happening in Idaho from now through next year.

And all I'm hoping to think is that if you want to go out and do something for the country, it's a damn good thing to do.

There'll be a very big crowd there soon.

There's a lot of cranked up work, and we can get somebody to know that it has nothing to do with conservation or environment or anything.

It's just a good little project.

The negative might be that you've done a couple of water projects already this year, and it looks like you're quicker.

And it's a good job.

You're trying to get into a big V in the Arkansas.

I did a whole field, and I did a whole field on a big V.

but one more water thing is a good idea.

That thing is on Saturday the 31st, and so is the Camden, Ohio thing.

Or the dam could be closed, but Camden, Ohio has to be on Saturday the 31st.

It can't be a jammer.

No.

What it is, it's quite a big deal.

It's a parade at 9 o'clock in the morning with those little tight boats and vans and all that kind of stuff, an hour and a half parade.

And the induction ceremony at the Hall of Fame is at 2 o'clock.

And each inductee is presented by a presenter.

And Wellington Barrow of the Giants is presenting both Y.A.

Tittle and Vince Lombardi.

You can present Lombardi if you want to.

commissioner of football closes the ceremony.

There's about 5,000 people at the ceremony.

We've got 25,000 in the parade.

Following the ceremony, there's an exhibition game between the Rams and the Oilers to be on national television.

You should not go to the game.

I'm not sure.

If you go at all, you pretty much got to stay through the ceremony.

I don't think you can come at the end of it.

I'm certainly not going to go to the parade.

No, sir.

The only thing you can do as a ceremony, and I think what you could do there is either go as Vince Lombardi's presenter or just go and make some remarks about Vince Lombardi and the rest of the people for professional football.

At the end of the ceremony, I was thinking of the presenting that you could talk to for that at the end.

Do you have a problem?

Okay.

Well, let's see.

I mean, we've got to think of this in terms of this Ohio lot.

I mean, you never know.

The whole thing, setting up football, and Peter went on the counter back there.

He's got a lot of authority.

The dam thing, I think the point you raised is sort of relevant.

I've done three dams this year.

I would go out and just do the dam.

And because they hit on the same day, there's a chance it could be built up.

If you're going to do camp, I think it's worth doing the dam too.

Go by and do the dam, and then you go on over to camp and do the induction ceremony.

And on Saturday, then the question, if you want to do the grove, you can go on out west and do the grove on Sunday.

Or you can go out and do it on Sunday.

And I can do it on Sunday.

or you can just come back to it.

You can also do the Ohio Bank and the Grove on Saturday if you want to.

The timing is such that you can make it, if the football,

and then go west and still keep the road at 3 o'clock in the morning.

You can go up to the side of the dam with us.

And we can say no on the dam and then throw you in at the last minute and say you're okay.

and that kind of makes a good thing, but I didn't get out.

I'm just picky.

I think the grove is the one.

I think camp is okay.

I think the dam is probably okay.

I think the grove is just fine.

a little too much effort to go, hey, there's a critter out there.

Where is the critter?

I mean, it's good.

It's a hell of a bad, good farm.

But if you keep hitting them all the time, then you just know it's good.

If one of them comes out, you don't know what to do.

The thing is, you don't really need them.

You've got them, but you've got to have them all shut up and all shut up.

It just depends whether you've got them or not.

You can't just go for it.

Well, I must say, well, I'm sorry.

We know the reactions they're getting from the country.

Are you told ?

What the hell is he?

How does he get away?

What does he say?

He says they feel that it's just the way they approach me.

It's a necessity to review these problems, to make sure you know what the other things are all going, so you don't need to talk about those.

It's important to make sure we're dealing with all the other issues.

Oh, I know.

Help me out.

There's going to be a play here every once in a while.

And I do think that you would be able to compensate for it by protecting the leader in it.

I don't know what you mean.

But what I've got then is that I'll tell you what I've said before.

Erics.

Erics are important.

Erics are okay.

Richard is a jerk.

I don't think he's running.

He's always a slice of jerk.

He's a jerk.

Scott is a jerk.

He's a jerk.

Richard's a liar.

Because of God, I just don't know.

I don't know.

I think we should call it leadership, then, as an acronym.

I don't even know.

I'm making a lot of things here.

Well, I think, I really think super is an acronym, because you should have them when there's something to talk about.

You have the leaders down on the top, and so forth, which is all set up there, and the harvester is, you know.

We've got a building we want to get it cranked up on or get it swinged up and call in and we want to send it where we want it to be.

And the meetings, for the second meeting period, it's like a cabinet meeting.

It's like a cabinet meeting.

They've got to know we've got a cabinet meeting on there, really, isn't it?

Yeah.

We've also, the department tells me that the Congress condensed to an adjournment on October 15th.

Yeah, take five weeks off in the summer and come back and work for five weeks in an adjournment.

Well, if they screw around, we'll have to call it back to the special session.

I don't know what you're going to do with it.

Do you want to drop the grove?

We can drop the grove for now.

You can wait and see later whether you want to drop it or not.

I think so.

It just somehow doesn't seem... Just walk back and go out there.

Yeah, if you were in California and just sitting there, just flip up there and do a speech and go back to Central Lake and be all right.

Just go across the country.

Just spend an hour doing the grove.

All right, we'll knock off the road and do it again.

What about that Dayton thing after that?

Next week.

Another Ohio job.

That's... That's...

I understand the republic would live in a country and not build it.

Right.

Huh?

Federation.

Yeah.

The national, not the federation, the national government.

Anyway, do I get the hell out of this kind of country then or something?

Uh, not really.

I'm trying to figure out what you're explaining.

Yeah.

Congress is out of bed and they need to go away.

I don't know why the hell they ought to leave.

Well, they need a recess program.

They've got a recess for a week there around that.

I don't know why, because of UN Day or something.

No, Veterans Day holiday, that's right.

October 25th is now Veterans Day holiday.

Okay.

When I get back?

You got Tito the next week.

Do you think I can take the hell out of those?

Sure.

I think I could be in Florida the next time.

I don't know.

I'm sure I could get away with it.

I don't know, of course I can, but especially if I happen to stay here and be one hell of a bitch.

What about the trip to Maine?

Let's get that done.

We can do it any time.

It's clear.

They're recommending now that we cancel at least for the time being.

It's going to cost $30,000 to cancel it.

Maybe they'll be on tour here sometime later and we can pick it up.

But it's too bad to put the caca off again, but it just doesn't really make sense.

Well, the $30,000, we can't afford that.

Yeah, and we don't have anybody, as of now, I just hate to spend that kind of dough.

We're asking anybody to spend that kind of dough.

Well, he was sick one time, and we're sick another time.

Get that out of the way.

I'll put that out, then you can go.

You can go to Maine.

Either the weekend of the 7th or the weekend of the 14th.

How many recesses there are going to be?

When is it that we go to the, you're now thinking about Dallas, right?

On the 18th.

I think it's the 18th.

No, I thought we were doing that back Wednesday, Wednesday the 18th.

17, we were tentatively flying over the Knights of Columbus in New York.

We'll keep you on that path.

Oh yeah, possibility.

Alright, you can do that that night and then come back here at the time to Dallas.

Sounds good.

For that reason, I would have the weekend of the 7th at some time to go to Maine.

Well, let's take your hand then.

Let's take your hand.

And also, I do feel like I've got to do something in that community because, not because of it out there, frankly, I couldn't care less.

But I did say I would come back as president, you know, just a little bit of a...

They got a boat.

All right, have them set up a boat for the 7th and I'll come lay the key over it.

Lay the key over it.

If it's already built, you just better keep it recommissioned.

If it's built with ER?

No, but they'd use that ER as a place to recommission it, clean it up, call it an action check or something.

It's definitely, they actually have a reason for having it there.

You see, the whole state will come over to that, I don't know.

For a little bit, of course.

There's a problem that's not on the... What was that?

The Apollo splashdown attack.

Oh, I don't hear nothing.

No, none of the other people.

Right, you mean, what day after the what?

Saturday afternoon at 7, but that's all right.

The purpose of this is not an actual...

It's 445.

You would already be at Maine by then.

We'd say, go back down there to watch the flashdown.

Right, and the point is, you see that the purpose of this is not an actual practice and not have a natural course of action.

And I go up to Maine.

That's good.

That gets Maine out of the way.

Hampshire out of the way.

That will mainly go to cover everything in the mainland and shut to Massachusetts, doesn't it?

Oh no, I covered Massachusetts.

Yeah, you've done Massachusetts.

You've done that.

Done Vermont.

Sure, Dunn, Rhode Island, Dunn, Vermont, Dunn, Connecticut, Dunn, Omaha, Maine, Manhattan, all throughout.

That's Dunn.

New York.

Good.

This is Delaware.

But we'll find a way to move it there.

Delaware, Idaho, Montana, Oregon, Washington, Wyoming, and Michigan.

And Alaska.

We do Alaska on the way back from China.

Or way over or way back.

All I would do there at the airport is try to search for them.

Because it's such a regional thing.

You don't need a steward on the field to come out and let people hail you on your return.

They were there.

They were there to shake their hands.

Since New York has been for China, for California, sort of building up that gateway to the Orient business,

would be quite symbolic for you.

And it's also logistically, you fly the way back, stop there, and then you can't confirm if that works and come back.

And then come back from Alaska to Washington.

It makes a pretty good trip.

And then you can go to California a few days ahead.

You get started with the whole time set up.

Very good.

And there's planning sessions that you can all wait for.

Yeah.

I talked to Henry a little about the advancing.

And I thought I'd separate the, I wanted people to leverage that and separate the advance from the,

He's got to go, he's got to find out how many days they want, how many seconds they want.

I wonder if that makes sense.

I wonder about that.

They won't go together.

Not the same time.

But the main thing, too, I want to get him out of the business.

He will screw it up beyond what he can do.

But he'll start getting down on how to do it.

But I want him to come back and I'll get him properly instructed and so forth.

We've got to take a hard look to what we really want to do with the press and so forth.

What we want to do, of course, is to have some next bang here.

In one sense.

And we first want the network.

Right.

We want all the television to be possible to get.

Beyond that, we're not going to let them.

We want a wire service.

That's day one.

Network nine plus a crew from each channel.

We want the wire service.

See, that's five.

That's 15 people right there.

The wire service.

But you've got to have a real question about what you do about the specials.

There might be so many wires to go.

A very inexpensive way of being able to work it out is to take two wires and wire both of them together.

I mean, all that serves our question now is to what extent do we want to have a few others

It may just be very unhelpful in terms of our friends and colleagues.

I wish you the best.

Thank you.

I think your thought is exactly right.

But I should guess so that it might be worthwhile, or is it worthwhile, rather than wait to make Hawaii the stop of a little airport on the way out.

Well, if we think about that, if we never had an eastern airport in Hawaii, nobody would come down.

And I just, if they don't come out, maybe they would on this because you're going to China and you don't have so god damn many Chinese and, uh, whites in Hawaii.

I guess Hawaii is just another place on the coast.

I'm thinking you've got a hell of a haul across the ocean in 17 hours.

And, uh,

If it gets 10 hours out and only 7 hours, you can't.

So you get your 10 hours done first and then settle down.

I agree.

That's the other way.

If you only have 3 hours, 4 hours in Hawaii, you'd have 13 hours in Hawaii.

In fact, we probably can't make it.

We'd have to do the last day.

Well, the thing about Hawaii is that if you want to do it or not,

I think you'd get a pretty good, colorful spot there, you know what I mean?

You'd get a colorful spot.

Would it be well-laid in San Francisco?

No.

Well, that's the way it is.

But I will take charge of the school advancements.

I'm so honored.

Particularly take charge of the Secret Service.

That's one thing I know I don't want to use that.

All that crap.

Secret service.

I'm not going to have a spectacle of a guy running along the side of the car.

I've told them to.

They're not going to have a car attack on me.

It's a big thing.

It's not a safe damn place to live.

There won't be shipping.

There's big cars in and they won't be doing any of it.

It's a big car.

They're not going to check that out.

The Chinese may want a big car.

quite in the nature that you cannot have the, there's no reason to bar this with just doing things in a routine way.

Why not give to them something unassailable, which is that if the Chinese have decided they're going to harass you, kidnap you, or kill you?

If they have 30,000 secret service agents there, they won't be able to stop.

The Chinese decide that you're going to have a safe and unimpeded .

Then you don't need one secret service agent there to make sure that you won't have .

Either way, they don't make any difference, good or bad.

Did you get into the Japanese Embassy?

No.

He thought about it.

He said it's very much on the positive side.

Right.

Our relations are approaching a watershed.

Some of that's not sure if anybody would emphasize the importance.

All right.

But banking and government experience would probably be a good time there.

We'll put the, we'll put the feeders, put that in the works, but I think it's important that Colin, I want him to, I want him to know that I, the way to do it is to say that the president has no confidence in the state department's choice.

He wants it to be a business man who needs it.

It just seemed to him that he can be very strong .

And then you would go around and just .

And can the problem that he is related to a state or not?

That's why that's an advantage.

Some of the writers will just say, we've got to end the matter.

He's talking about, he says, he won't use state communication channels because they leak everything he said.

He said, I don't even remember him as a full secretary.

And he's found on a fifth level bureaucrat's desk.

He's just curious about that.

He says, I won't communicate.

I mean, I'm the same way.

I'm not going to have any papers built around me.

It's great.

Kennedy, first of all, he won't use their communication because they leak and don't handle documents described.

Second, he questions the commitment of the state personnel to your general objectives.

In fact, he believes he sees clear evidence that some in state would prefer to see your text on other state.

Third, on a lower general basis, he finds many in state soft-headed, naive, and overly optimistic in their assessments of the nature of magnitude of our economic problems today.

Ideal.

He's right.

Ideal.

Good.

He points out that he should have a strong, vigorous deputy for the political and military department.

What do you think, David?

Sure.

David's a good delegator, so that would be great.

Well, Dave would recommend Jerry for the job as ambassador.

Oh.

He mentioned that, he mentioned jerk.

I know, he's pushing along with jerk.

Jerk is a good civil.

Peterson says, jerk, however likable and able, does not have the depth, breadth, or stature of the extraordinary man.

Very likable.

Very good civil.

Now, I think that's a very good line.

I think he will.

I want my attention to be good.

Why did we do that?

First of all, it always bothers me.

I don't like the military aides around any kind of, unless I'm a state prisoner.

Well, Doc, you just makes the point that this guy, he would rather have a guy in civilian clothes.

The guy's got to be there for communications.

He'd be there to help in other ones.

But he would rather have civilian clothes.

But at one point...

raised the point that you wanted to be in uniform back when you were in the private industry, you liked having a guy in uniform, but that's one of the ceremonial invocations.

I mean, whenever I'm in that lighthouse, I don't ever want to be in uniform.

Right.

But outside, in a restaurant, in a restaurant, it's a direct, it's a, you know, or a purely social event, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct

and we've been going round and round with that.

Rose doesn't, he's not qualified.

Well, he's not going to, but he's got the director.

He's going to be the director of public affairs today, which is no problem.

He's not doing a too good job at it.

He can't do any harm there.

Public affairs?

No, it's not.

It's just a job that happens to me every 24 hours a day.

It'll give them some money in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in a,

Well, the problem's been getting, the guy's got a very clear view of himself.

And I was like, can I help him?

And he called me on the Q&A and said, Jay, are you really creating a problem for me?

Because you've only offered me one job and it wasn't a very good one.

And I haven't been able to receive it.

So I checked and discovered we'd offered him seven jobs.

And I listed them all and said, now, come on, this is Jesus Christ, you're a bad guy.

And he said, I'll talk to him.

Get it straightened out.

And I was like, okay.

You know, Clint is basically just a big hot tub bag of wine.

He's a hell of a nice guy.

I think he's just the greatest guy.

He doesn't have much in him.

But that doesn't matter.

In this kind of job, he just needs to be a nice guy.

He is not.

And he sure is out here.

That's right.

That's great.

Now, we've got a proposal from Nicholas, and look, article on the next presidency that's impacting on the country.

It will be a 10,000 board article, the longest one they've ever run.

I don't want to run it.

With a cover.

We have total control on it.

It would be done with just working with other people, except that we obviously have to give them one interview with you.

I understand.

I don't know.

I just don't have a problem with that.

I don't think I have met a contractor.

I have a role somewhere.

I don't know.

We ought to do a wrap-up article or something before the election, what he wants to do, so it gets out in October and the Registrar Desk can rerun it in January or February.

And it's...

The difficulty is, I just don't want the time.

I don't have the time to spend on these people.

I just don't want to call and talk and talk and talk about it.

Try to search my memory on this stuff.

Wilson's like all the rest.

I like him, but he asks me the same goddamn questions.

He's always covered with other people.

That's my problem.

I'm very angry.

They want to do the argument.

I don't mind.

Everybody else will operate.

The rest of the staff, they can hold.

They can have passengers.

They can have, you know, early on.

I don't know.

I guess he's going to go on then.

I think he's the best guy there is.

What credibility can you trust?

But he won't.

Luke won't go if he doesn't get it.

He won't either, I guess.

So he can also talk to the hero.

Oh, I understand.

That's fine.

I would think that it's worth spending $45,000 an hour a year on it.

Why don't you get down to the point?

That's what they're talking about.

But I think it's better if you're really interested in that material.

It's got to come from the others.

And he just holds it up.

I'm not going to have any crap where I sit down with several people for three hours or four hours and then come back for another one and then have 18.

I don't want any more bullshit.

I agree.

They don't know any good.

The list hasn't been held on one thing.

That bug could be spread by thousands of times.

We just aren't going to do anything great about it.

Fine.

We'll do it for us.

Robert.

If you could read.

hold out hard and fast, and at a time which is terrible, they're probably running out.

And this time, Bob, I haven't seen roads drawn, you know, from people like them.

I see everyone.

There's no one I need to work hard on.

Be sure, be sure you get up a list of people that know, because they see people that...

The worst thing is for them to come in and ask me about things like that that people really do know about better.

And, uh...

Okay, you had asked for progress reports on the voluntary center for one thing.

Yeah.

What the hell's that?

Well, they've got their, they're on the tube, you know.

They're moving in pretty good shape.

They've got a good staff.

They've got, they're moving with a plan for having 100 local voluntary action centers in 100 cities set up by the end of the year.

We've got kind of a plan to work out on that.

They've got their clearinghouse field set up.

They've got their funding worked out, their basic receipt money funded.

They've got Mrs. Romney and other people working on, you know, we've both got massive things.

The ad council is going with them on a big program next year.

Have they got one thing that they can do?

that's what i said one or two things that will be like the right to read and they can go on or any one thing that's just a thing just being let's all volunteer and help god you know that doesn't mean a thing you've got to come here to save centers or something and that's what i think is uh can they zero in on two or three catchy

Probably can't.

The problem is you're working with local centers, and it's hard to get them all.

How about trying to write and read?

That's my own thing, I think.

The fact that they've built up a number of huge organizations.

The local senators, all they are to me is a very nice place.

I see.

And they volunteer to do other things.

You asked where we stood on the bicentennial.

Yeah.

And that, I'm afraid, I didn't feel that I said that.

I can see that too, yes.

Pennsylvania is back into the things that mentioned here.

They can't do anything in line with the election.

November and then they're going to back in.

Washington, D.C. is putting together a plan that they're supposed to have in by August 1st for a local bus and about five months ago.

Boston has come in with a big plan for refurbishing all of their historical areas, like the Tea Party site and all that sort of thing.

They called the prologue 1975.

They're going for a year before the bicentennial.

How about Virginia?

They're not in Virginia yet, apparently.

The other one, Miami, is quite a very big thing.

They're going to build an indoor animal, which is a...

Well, I think it's in pretty good shape, and I think with the whole thing, you've got a guy who is going to make it get that one available.

At least you're not just depending on Garmin all the time.

That's right.

Let me ask you about that same vein I had to go here to ask you about.

Where is the youth thing now?

It occurred to me that on youth,

It's an awfully good thing, take off, to start working with that.

This is China.

China, as soon as something happens in Vietnam, better we just get them on.

That kind of issue, if I find out.

And I think if you might get a lot of youth this fall in school and so forth, we might be able to change one hell of a lot of youth.

I think that has, you know, for the few little private nonsense that we've had, we've had a shift among young people.

Bill Rogers, interestingly, came in yesterday and said that John Richardson, his assistant secretary for cultural and educational items, is apparently a hell of a good guy.

Used to be with Radio Free.

Politically, he's very much with Radio Free.

A very tough guy.

He came in to Bill and said there's a hell of a lot more we could be doing at State and especially in his office.

Politically for the president, building his stature as a world leader in the projects that we're doing would have to be all right with Bill if he worked in that area.

Bill said, oh, yes.

He's moving on a plan with that, especially with you, because they do a lot with you.

and conferences and speakers and activities and presentations in schools and meetings and all that kind of stuff.

There's a lot of lives there.

Bill also made the point that the Mike Collins job, Director of Public Affairs, Assistant Director of Public Affairs, Collins has gone and they're putting a man in there and Bill said we would like to put in a guy that's politically important.

a student who will see, who will use that job for the political plus of that to keep the president.

So he's pushing that away.

That's the way we had been pushing and had a little bit of a ruckus because he wanted to put our fire in the job.

But we've been trucked out of that.

We'll go for a guy that's going to put a fire.

Can they stay out of the bush?

That's very good.

Well, you might, I don't know, maybe you could put a little task force together on the team.

You, China, there's the idea of, you know, I mean, I don't know quite how to get my finger on, my handle on that.

If they, if you can pick up from a negative, then, you know, everybody would be in Vietnam and so forth.

It's very possible.

It's quite possible.

that you've got a very positive ring because of the giant thing it has to do about you.

It has to do about their world, their generation.

If they rip on society, they're all excited about it.

And they got us protesting.

We want to keep protesting.

But in the case of Gap and Birch, the final analysis,

You really can't, we've got to realize, let me put it this way, they do eat, they do irritate us, but we have to realize that first, their influence is much less than it was in 1962 when we were in California.

Second, we've also got to realize that they are basically

who are so unreasonable that they, that you may have to just let them, let them move around out there, you know, and bubble around with their people and so forth.

They'll raise all sorts of hell.

And the price that has to be paid there

Yes, I think you're great.

That's just good.

Yes, sir.

I know.

I understand.

But let me say this.

Let me say this.

Let me understand.

Before China.

And for Christ's sake, they never said they were on Laos, on Cambodia, on the rest.

Were they coming on the town?

Not really.

We didn't really have a... We had a little bit.

Well...

But...

But their bent is so far in the right that they say, well, why don't you bomb him?

It's a very curious kind of puritanism that it's just not that hard to handle.

Now, on the other hand, I must say, after meeting our great leaders, I must say I don't think the centrists are worth much of a damn either.

I don't know where the hell we're going to get some people that are going to be desperate.

Do we have any?

Do we have any leading chart that you want to get out before?

That's my problem.

I don't know why they told me no.

I mean, what you need are your guys like Colson.

You know, I mean, that's, you're just a son of a bitch, you know?

I mean, he just means it, rather than say, yeah, or a rip-off.

But he's with us.

It's that kind of endowment and that kind of spirit that you need thousands of staff.

It's what Connolly's talking about, same thing, exactly right.

Connolly can be for us on the left or the right, he doesn't give a shit.

But he says, fine.

Right?

And they'd be mishandling the recovery.

Sucked around.

Wait.

What are we doing wrong?

And I named a rigger that's never done better.

You know, look, you realize, and this is, you get some dollars for it, but I spent one-fifth of the night this year with Senator Carter.

One-fifth?

And I was a goddamn tough man.

Then I had more stroke than we have now.

And you spend very little time with my brother.

He doesn't, he doesn't help me at all.

Father, I'm sure he does more.

And I will.

But my point is, do you realize that at that time, when we were in, and we had a hell of a lot of higher standing folks, but God, I was just holding their hands and taking them out and begging them.

this and that and the other.

And we flew some of the greater dreams.

I don't know what he's doing, but he and Jim, Jim is my father's friend, too.

He's doing a lot of different things.

And I'm for him.

He comes in and works with me, so I'm just, you know, I don't even know what I'm doing.

But I guess that's pretty good stuff.

Take things like the breakfast we did in the first year.

The thing I did for the chowder market.

The team, everybody was just, you know, creating a certain aura of good feeling.

And the bundle.

It's hard to know how much of that is worthwhile.

It's pretty hard to know.

It has to be worthwhile.

Some of those people that I used to be friends with years ago are great today.

I put it this way.

The kind of close contact that I used to have with them, that is essential.

It cannot be maintained through entangling contacts.

You've got to see them.

You've got to talk to them.

And you can't do it in this job.

So therefore, I guess we're just gone.

Do you agree?

I think we still have enough that it's worthwhile now and then.

Yeah.

I wish it were different.

Let me say this.

When you look down, you know, whatever their faults, boy, some of my strongest supporters are the people who work in California, and we see them all over that city.

Who the hell writes letters to the editors who work in California?

The only one I know of is Ava Pratt.

And sometimes Ari Gilbert.

And people like that.

Why?

Because they know me.

Right?

They're real friends.

We haven't made any sense.

That's the problem.

It's hard to do.

You grow up, but you get bigger.

I think you've got a lot more than you think you do.

Maybe you just don't care about it.

The thing is, then you do about it.

Now you don't know about it.

I forgot.

The gas.

Oh yeah, the gas.

The rip-off, believe me, I have no people to cover for that.

The world has no elections to try to, I don't think we've really got any.

But these folks, again, we use a lot of John Kenneth Gallagher here in the room.

I know.

I've got that.

But not really.

I wouldn't have seen government back then.

Would you?

Oh.

You're so good.

Well, let's say the operator did this with yesterday, not because of the intent.

I mean, that's the way the price controls.

When you come up for a controlled gun, he's staring at you.

He says, bro, let's just declare himself a Keynesian just at the time that Keynes has fallen out of style.

And, uh, this is a thing now that's government controlled, but that doesn't control the economy.

That's a damn good way to keep his people.

Is it permanent wage prices?

Right.

The government should take the top 1,000 companies or something like that and set their wages and their prices.

How would people think of that?

People are going to think very much of that.

And it's the more he talks about it, the more the people will like it.

Well, they all hold the other people for wage prices.

But not in that sense of it.

Maybe they won't.

Certainly, let me say, the businessmen and the labor people are not going to be for it.

You know what this is?

Galbraith is a goddamn socialist.

That's what he is.

That's what these people are for, Bob.

They are for an OTA.

Heller, Galbraith, see, all these intellectuals are all basically socialist and or communist.

That's really what it is now.

They believe in that kind of a system.

They believe in a system in which the whole damn thing will be controlled.

Why didn't somebody react to it this morning when you talked about it?

This is a bad opportunity.

Huh?

Who brought something?

Charleston?

Bill's out as the Democratic document.

His people were put in that way.

Gets the people out now.

Very good.

The Democrats are out now.

They are hurt myself.

He's the economic spokesman of their party.

Okay.

He's the economic spokesman of the Democrats.

He's the chief thinker.

He's the chief economic intellectual of the Democrats.

That's wasting a moment.

Now I'm getting ready to take him out and say they finally spoke out what they were doing before and now we know what they wanted to talk about.

Very good idea.

If I can be that as a maid, I can get back to Henry and Christine.

He was such a sucker for his old friends.

Sapphire has proposed for you a challenge of speech, challenge of peace, or an economic speech, in which his idea is that this would be a radio speech, and what he's done is synthesize your Kansas City remarks on the five fingers of economic power, the three fingers to pick on the Yankee Trader team, and the mild juggling position on Steve-O as your recent point.

All of the economic crew, plus the PR crew, think that it's at least worth considering his radio address in the theater in the near future.

Especially because it now looks as if almost certain that there'll be no steel starting.

That might be the beginning of a sentence before that becomes public knowledge.

Yeah, radio's featured in this project now, actually.

might be a damn good idea.

Because it's foreign economic policy, it's the economy, if you know, feels that's our chief domestic issue.

And it's a way to speak to the economy related to your foreign policy posture that you're in.

It ties to Kansas City.

We should know some of the great importance of Kansas City speeches being played back now in all kinds of different ways.

You see what we said about China?

I saw some of it.

David Lawrence pulled it out and said it to someone else.

A bunch of other articles pulled it out.

and why it was hard to make a point of why Joe and I were so interested in Henry.

None of us had been as interested, but now knowing what we know now, it seemed like it was so interesting and the significance of what you were saying.

In regard to China, you said quite a bit about China.

I didn't say anything, nothing that leaked anything, but I was regarding what role it would play and what a challenge it would be.

A lot of people look at that.

I think the radio thing is very good.

It's good for our public leadership.

It's another way of, it gets probably quite a bit of attention.

It's not unrelated to .

I'm happy to hold .

It's a single .

You see, we've got a double problem there.

Henry Persons, the man, he wasn't the only one.

And it really, really needed the build up of Rodney, for example, the whole deciding line between the kinds of white people who were participating in the Great Triumvirate.

Yeah.

Rodney was a wise counselor, guiding the program, and in his journey, that mission carried out as a policy, rather than making decisions or anything like that.

Well, that's a whole lot of shit.

It's just unbelievable now.

Roger's a different guy.

He's one of them damn things.

You know, I'm not going to, you know, forget it.

It's not, it's just the truth.

And of course, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a,

Now I shouldn't be in this category, but that's it.

It's far enough to just simply say Rogers was involved.

He was informed, and he carried on with Bob.

After all, as I go into this, I was saying I was the architect of the policy, and I was the man in charge of it.

He worked on what was made on it.

He just, you know, he was involved in talking about it.

So what you see right now, he's a doctor here.

And it's a...

Now they know the only reason they're saying is basically not for the purpose of helping Rogers, but for the purpose of making him fear.

And he didn't do it on his own.

I don't think that's what I'm saying.

I'm not saying that very much.

I don't think much of that.

The only play that Rogers has gotten is what Sam Henry has given him, and then you.

Because you both went over boundaries to make it clear that you're the same character.

And Coral was a bad guy.

He was bad, but he wasn't wrong.

Blair, he was bad.

He wasn't wrong.

Fortunately, they were both out of the country.

So...

I'll talk to him later.

I don't want to say anything wrong.

Okay.

So you can just let Blair know.

He hasn't asked him, I don't believe him.

I guess as a matter of fact, Henry's thought was that you and Rodgers and Larry and that you have Rodgers in on it.

Rodgers and Henry in on it.

He's not writing a column.

He's trying to pull a column.

He wants to be on the air.

And it'll also keep Rodgers in the news.

Yeah.

and how they all would be.

If you want to try and mention what was going on with them.

Yeah, maybe I, I think tomorrow's the time.

I thought you'd make a little turn to this.

The person who sent you a copy of the .

How'd you do it?

Apparently okay.

I don't know what the hell it is.

I think I'll see Mitch first.

Maybe because I want to get a disperse choice on all of these different jobs.

I think Mexico, I'm going to go with Mexico.

I'm going to go with NATO.

And OET, if you'd like to take the OET.

What do you think?

I'd be bothered if Trump shut off the people he hasn't been talking to since then.

I'll ask Mitch.

I'll say I've spoken to him.

I've spoken to him about it.

We didn't like it.

Just in case he doesn't like it.

But I don't know, I just made these benches out of all the benches, not just a bag.

And, uh... That's it, they're running something and he gets in the corner, causes a lot of shooting and, uh...

Contact.

It was unbelievable.

Of course, it also gets into the state and city relations, which is part of it.

And, you know, the state and city relations, drop the files.

The emergency relief, all of this.

and he could be a good politician for that.

Yeah.

One problem, as you said, the NSC and about the NDC.

I don't, I think really he would be a problem .

What I think is going on is this.

For very different reasons, he may be going through this fast and simple.

The idea that he's so concerned with what he wants and also so concerned with his hatred of Reagan

He's just grasping at every straw.

I just must not do this.

He'll destroy himself.

I don't want to hear it.

He's basically a Nixon loyalist.

He knows Reagan is not.

I don't.

What the hell with Reagan?

He's governor of California.

And it's a hell of a funnel.

I don't know what the hell to do about it.

Put it this way.

Bob can't add anything.

And Reagan can't.

It's just cold inside of you.

And Bob can't take very much away from you and Reagan.

He can't go on.

It's true.

I don't know.

Rumsfeld.

I don't know.

I'm not very sure why.

I like it.

I just, man, well, I've got to get in this sun.

It's floating around.

It's just a bad idea.

It has to be bad for him.

He's just, no guy could be, I mean, there ain't got to be a hard counselor around here.

That job, that was a mistake.

That was a convenient mistake.

The way that car has turned around is, well, we did it for our end, and we had to do something for Bryce, so we moved him over there.

We had to do something for him, and we moved him in there.

We had to do something for us, so we moved him in there.

And on that note, let's get in this cabin and turn around and we're going to meet you.

Great.

Well, I appreciate it.

Do you think more staff meetings are in order for our end?

No.

Well, you don't find any reason to bother me, do you?

You sure as hell know Captain needs it, aren't you?

They already have all their own.

I think Captain's about overdoing it by now until the two of you send in on something that doesn't matter much.

Correct?

Oh, I'm cranking it.

I think it wants to see me.

I'm cranking it.

Come in.

That's for your mom.

Dr. Schultz.

Arthur Burns.

Is that him?

I would only see him.

And not this week.

I would only see him a couple of times.

Early.

I don't know.

I never want to see him.

I don't know.

He's got to be followed away.

And he will turn, he will change, Bob.

I think Arthur, in his own way, is spoiled.

You know, he just, he's got this terrible, goddamn conceit.

And he just thinks, well, I don't do what he says.

It's too bad he's not being a good friend and all that stuff.

Don't you regret those problems?

I know you follow this, but you had a whole group up there.

Are they thinking of how they can exploit the push and so forth as presidential leadership?

It's like, do you recall when we went to the little shop around the world and all that sort of thing?

Everybody said it was great.

And then we had the family assistance and then nobody followed up.

So I just want to be sure.

I don't think it's the same for everybody.

I don't think they're on all fours.

I think there's ever much more lasting impact.

It's so dramatic and it's so, well, it's basically a, well, everybody remembers that Eisenhower said about going to Korea, right?

Yeah, he went.

Yeah.

Everybody remembers it.

And everybody will remember this because we will go.

Yeah.

And some people have a substance of it so overrides that...

But on the other hand, the leadership thing, that's why I can't allow even, like, the, the business about the president being the, you know, the guy who, you know, the boy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the boy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the guy who, you know, the

the president was sort of sitting here, and then the wise counselor, secretary of state guided him, and then raised the temptation, Dr. King, to carry it out and execute it, and the president sort of made the decisions.

I mean, that's just.

But that isn't all.

Huh?

That isn't at all.

No, but that's what, that's the, that was the line, though, that Citi gave you.

Almost everything gives you both.

No, no, no, no.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

and also the fact that how you and I work together in this thing.

Well, you see, we're going to want to make the Rodney, we're going to want to build the Rodney's thing.

Not for the purpose of downgrading me, that's all there is to it.

They know we need to give them a hand.

They'll also use you to try and downgrade them.

You were worried about the thing.

No, no, no.

Well, Henry's played it right.

See, the difference is, Bob, that Henry and his...

always in his background is the rest.

Well, he's the president.

Rogers does sometimes, you know, he depends, right?

You know, we're going to try this weather hour.

Yeah.

Brilliant.

Uh, but, you know, I'll tell him as it goes on.

Otherwise, it's a disaster.

Uh, but, uh, you know, I told him about some odd-finding thing that I did.

which in themselves is harmless if he had been stabbed, together with his own speculation, which he didn't get from me, or wasn't going to come out as the wizard.

But of course, they had to figure this out, because the odds must have been there for him.

So what kind of odds?

They found a new dynasty, a new jade, from his witch jade.

That wasn't fun.

He has written about nothing but that.

But he's linked it with his own speculations about what the trip will mean.

And so they have to figure that he got the James story from me, which is all right.

It must be that he got the old story from me.

They may not.

They may be more intelligent than the last story.

The Russians would not.

These people are very talented.

No, they've been tested awfully much.

But in any event, get that Polly Lennon that you've read.

He gives you full credit for conceiving it and thinking it out long-handed, patient, typically Nixon class.

There's been a lot of other articles on these today that's making it the same, that long, patient.

And Rack will say it's, they've got to go through this.

So I think that's the basics.

I'm not dissing her, but I think the person's right.

We've got to watch for the gaps in it.

We've got to make sure.

I remember after we took our trip to Romania and so forth, around the world trip, it was so enormously successful, and I came back and made a speech on that, and he said, we went out on the telephone, leadership, establishment, et cetera, at the same time, November 3rd, that we didn't keep it up.

Very important now.

Now you've got the myth of leadership.

that sometimes was created by Eisenhower or by going to Korea created it.

Kennedy, by the Cuban Confrontation, created it.

Now we, by this, have created fundamental leadership, and it must be constantly fed, sustained, and everything must break through and orchestrated.

It must be orchestrated as a domestic front line.

It must be orchestrated.

That's right.

There was a surprise thing.

Well, Henry and I have already talked about what we're going to use foreign policy for.

Let me tell you, state people don't know a goddamn thing about anything.

We've got something on the Russian side.

We're going to announce it this way, Henry.

We're not going to be screwed around.

If we get something on Vietnam, whether we have an agreement or get out, I'm just going to put it out.

Go ahead, if you want to.

If we have one, that's what we're going to do.

Stacks is the person in the system who had the .

Stacks?

Stacks is somebody who .

When?

And I mean, that means that when you invited Stacks, so the formal invitation .

I took it to this fellow, that fellow, that moron.

I said to him, I have to clear this with kids.

Why don't you clear it with kids?

Which is really humiliating.

So the brilliant kind came to me and said, how do you feel about it now?

I would have said, if it weren't for the teaching that you should plant it here and now.

Even with it, my instinct is,

I don't know why Stan told me to do his cabin if I'm going to go to the Soviet Union.

Well, there's no better of him.

Except he's got no sense at all.

No, he has no sense, but he will at least do what he's told.

What I meant is, and he doesn't play for an independent political interest.

He is, and he's only interested in us, that's the point.

He isn't interested in pumping himself, let's just argue it through in that respect.

Now, my point is that he could go, but if you could send, say, some fellow like the Lord, or, I don't know, Staines is almost square-headed about it.

He has a, he has a straight arrow,

thinks he knows nothing, and he's capable of saying the wrong thing, not intentionally, but thanks to him.

Well, we can let him go, but we shouldn't have a procession of captains.

There aren't going to be any others.

In fact, I think you should just get the word around this son of a bitch that you shouldn't do it.

I mean, Hart has asked, and everybody else has asked, and now we'll have probably a nation run still if I go over it.

Because of the gang, I was trying to get an invitation from them.

That's, it would be the argument for turning it down and getting the word out.

I'm getting it pretty hard to think that we, these people are not generated to get an invitation, an invitation to God, not to the Bible.

on any conscious law of business.

So you are going to have a hell of a problem.

You're creating the China thing and believing China is going to be a problem too.

You know, just everybody is busting his left nut to figure out a way to get himself into China.

And that's one of the, you know, if we can keep Russia...

that's been dead enough, and it won't have to be keeping impact, but it will have a hell of an impact.

You know, one of the reasons the Russian announcement will have a bigger impact than it had in the company itself, coming on top of the game, the excellence, the terrific, that's what I've been concerned with.

So Henry, you're playing with a very good senior.

I just told him to bring him right now, and so he didn't.

I'm serious.

you want to take, I'm going to take it up to our level on our channel.

Well, I reckon that that's been good.

It's not the embarrassment on the basis that Stance doesn't know about your discussions.

Yeah.

Just say it.

Why don't you just say it, Henry, that the President wants to discuss economic matters directly on his channel and not through Stance's channel.

And that's true.

Now you, incidentally, carry forward asking about the Mack truck deal.

Would that go through?

Well, I've done with the Mack truck deal.

I put it ahead.

Go ahead.

He's just going to go through.

You'd better tell him that before you tell him.

Well, that's a $700 million deal.

I've split off $150 million from it, and I'm dying to get that in front of the president.

We'll eventually let it go through, but I think we ought to go through some of it.

getting it out a little at a time.

Well, he said it means so much in subcontractor issues in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

You know, I had to call them to make sure that it did, because we are using their development pressures.

Well, why don't you call in?

Yes.

If you would just say, no, Jerry, for your very confidential information, you're going to get it.

Very confidential, but we have to do it in sequence with something that we want from them.

But you're going to get it, and it'll come at a better time psychologically than now.

Good.

And I think on the spans, I think you've just got to tell the damn captain that there ain't gonna be no trips over there.

And in a sense, to where the hell a span goes, that rocket will wanna go, but that's the problem indeed.

That's the problem.

You can't bet your mother-in-law that it's made in front of the rocket in vain.

What's the last he can make somewhere?

Could I suggest one call that you ought to make?

I think it might have a very good effect on his attitude.

See, he has enormous influence with the funds and their attitude toward the market.

I'm going to definitely owe him a job.

And you could say, I can't tell you what, but I would not be surprised if more were coming.

You can't be promising, you know, but I just dangle it out there with you.

You could have an enormous influence on the economic century with that.

I had that done, I forgot to mention.

But on stands, let me say this.

It's going to be just cool.

I just thought about you.

God damn it, you and I worked this son of a bitching thing out.

We worked out the Vietnam thing.

We worked everything else out.

And we are not going to screw around and allow others to fiddle it away.

I feel thankful and I feel excited.

Also, I said, I've known every presidential, ambassador, and president since the 60s.

There isn't anyone who could have done this without me.

better small groups of people making all the key decisions themselves, which is essentially only doing it by himself.

Anybody else would have had plenty of advice on this.

Taking a vote.

And he covered himself that very much, as I like to tell people, since 30 times.

Well, Johnson, you remember, always used to get the Joint Chiefs and the others.

Oh, that's right.

That's right.

with all the people in the place to manage them.

They would never have had to carry it on.

No, but let me say...

The same with these negotiations.

Let me say, Henry, let me tell you, because you're here, if I got this, I'd carry it on without you.

You'd have to, because you'd have the spiegel and also the, and the space, you'd have the same.

Never trust anybody.

Don't trust anybody.

And don't let these bad guys back in.

Fine to see.

I think it was good you saw Michael this morning.

I think just good to keep him a little bit.

He does something nice for us.

We give him a little something.

He does something bad, and then it blows the door on him again.

And I find it so, you see, I look at it a little bit, and I see, and it, you know, it's not going to go on, right?

Let me tell you the problem that I have with Grimwald, that I see with him.

I would like to have a little further, and I'm going to have a story, and I'm going to do a little bit on this whole establishment crowd.

You see, I think Grimwald, had they not had a reference,

that are very close to John Gardner and Valencia.

And I think that the presidential side must be.

That's my opinion.

I think that they are desperate now, having to look at and agonize and praise on us for where they are.

I don't want us to be used.

Now, I think the citing thing is very clever, because citing is a writer.

And citing will piss on us two times, and then the other time it'll shit on us.

maybe down there.

But he's weak.

I don't know.

I think he's a decent guy.

I think he's a decent, yeah.

And he's absolutely right on that.

He's never really believed in us.

No, I don't dislike him.

I just think that he's under control of the neighbors.

Well, that's the problem.

But basically, he could write what he really believes.

You remember several times you'd come in and told me, gee, he's signing for his solo.

Then he comes in and gets boxed on a brain.

No, what they usually do then is to edit it in such a way that it was what it was.

This fellow Griffith is a model.

Oh, yeah.

You think Grunhold is?

I think Grunewald is a passion of Lewinsky.

I like him way above.

It is like Washington Post.

Actually, those great people, I really thank them.

Grunwald, my judgment of Grunwald, it has nothing to do with next week, because there's no problem.

My judgment, I don't, Grunwald was a right-winger.

Yeah.

He is now a fashionable.

Drupal the buffer wants to be fashionable.

Yeah.

And he has been a great guru.

Now, if we can get it to the extent that you and some of your close associates of the trade school group, he's perfectly capable of switching.

He's not an ideal arm.

He wants to be with his family and friends.

Without no guns, we'll never have him in the details.

And he plays for that New York establishment that is professionally anti-next.

I'm sorry.

I'm so sorry.

Absolutely nothing we can do for those bastards with regard to the stands.

I just don't, I just think it's a risk we don't should take.

and frankly uh the rain it'll be a lesson and i'll say that and i think you say look you and i would just say the president feels that we ought to discuss this in our channels and let's just keep it to ourselves and he'll go over there he stands has made a lot of jackass statements about how much we want trade with peace

before all of this was going on, was planning a trip to Vietnam.

And he also was going to Taiwan.

My problem is that I didn't probably want to go just as well to let the, and that also is sort of a signal to the Chinese that they have a right wing.

And I'll read it to you.

But if you talk about this more, I don't know.

No, it's already scheduled.

And you may not wait.

You sure didn't mean to wait.

You canceled.

Sure.

That's right.

Well, Joe has it scheduled.

Joe says, well, it's officially scheduled.

But I kind of have a feeling on Joe that you don't want to.

But we should take it easy about it.

We just can't have too many people coming on.

Why didn't you tell him, Dr. Gordon?

When did he tell me?

No, no, listen.

He didn't be told, Dr. Gordon.

Well, they tell that there's not plenty of Congressmen, Gordon.

What did they decide to do?

His concern was, he made the point for 8% that the president said, I can't go as the United States senator.

I go as your party chairman.

See, that's the point.

He said, I want to go as the senator, but he said, I can't avoid me.

He will be my spokesman then.

I don't think he knows.

We haven't agreed on much and so forth and so on.

Reagan, on the other hand, is a little tyrant.

Well, you've got to get his mouth shut.

Well, you've got to do what you've got to do.

I don't think Dole ought to go, do you think so?

I'd say that that brings politics into the whole thing.

If they get spending contracts, then Dole will recognize it.

George Murphy gets $80,000 a year from the Taiwan government.

plus 20,000 a month in expenses.

Taiwan?

That's what it says.

80,000 a year.

When he was sitting there hearing that testimony the other day, what he was doing there, he says his firm is the registered lobbyist for China.

Well, let me say one thing.

Did you tell him?

Every other day.

How old is he?

Your New York people are 21 the same.

How many are you?

He's up there.

How old is he?

He's up there.

the sort of thing that I read it to her that she was confused.

They said, one trickle, they said, get out of Vietnam, if they said anything.

Or that.

Or the book has changed.

The structure that he thinks the Vietnam issue has said, has said it before, that's what I'm saying.

Well, let's put it this way.

It will come back.

The point is it has a damn little time left to come back.

We're going to do something about it.

It's going to be hard to get it back.

It's hard to get back when we have so many things happening now between the times.

that we can finish it.

And after all, I don't exclude if we're going to break it.

It's slightly less than 50-50, but if we're ever going to break it, it will be in the next six weeks.

Well, I think the meeting on Monday is going to be tough.

because they just had to, unless there's going to be any of this, I'm going to need all the information that we need to get this going.

Well, just start with our line sequence.

No, I know that.

You're going to listen a while, but then say, all right, you're here.

Then Monday you say the next one is the last meeting.

I think that's the way I'm going to play it.

But the next one's got to come in a couple of weeks.

Oh, yeah.

I'd say no.

Take me another one.

You see, the reason why I'm optimistic is that if they were that soft the last time before they knew I was in D.K., then their basic position must be that they're determined to settle if we can find a formula for the coalition.

We have solved all the issues except one, which is the question of justice.

But they have accepted six of our seven points in effect.

The only part we can say is that we will not support any candidate

Well, we said that we can do.

I'm happy to see our day.

I just think like nobody can do what we have to do.

If it turns out that it would be safer to settle for men and no communists in the government and give us two years with the...

I mean, we could engineer the election, but I don't know whether we should at least look at it.

Well, I'm looking at it and we can't have a group that we can't do it.

Never.

Never, never, never, never, never.

We're not going to start on that group again.

And also, we've got a lot of friends who may be in the world right now.

Well, on that one, I would like to think we just better sail it through.

Well, let's see if that would be it.

You know how hotline I am.

So I'd like to see just what they owe us a political court.

I'd like to see what it says.

It will be something that's going to be bad, but we're going to have to work through it.

Okay, fine.

You'll tell Porter.

I'll go and... Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

Well, with all of your PR people, you can't talk about those issues.

I guess it's not too much.

What the hell do you have to do to come down to it?

It really isn't much, except they can talk about it in the, except that you, you know, we need to get it out better and get it out in Congress, but you've got to get it out into the hands of Congress and Senators, you know, parties, folks from the rest, but they're all kind of,

One thing that certainly could be done would be to get the, which I'm sure is more of a problem, is to just get, like we do on that, we are to play those two actions in regard to the hailing the next initiative.

So that should be coordinated, and I think that could be well done.

And then, incidentally, you get out in the middle of the land and you see a whole number of immigrants, Republicans, and Jews, uh, worldwide, and they're thinking, picking out the best agencies to work with on.

You might have somebody over there in the shop, but I don't do this, but we can here now.

They don't need to know any good information on it, because they don't know anything about it.

But I think we should be closer to the center.

I realize that, you know, seven, six days to pass the treatment, and then the last three weeks.

Okay.

It wasn't long.

I'll be open at 3 o'clock.

I'll be there before I make the call.

In regard to our common conversation, I wonder if you can talk to Bryce about when you're going to get back.

I'm not sure if I can talk to Bryce this morning.

You talked to him before about the study.

Do you have any further views?

He's intrigued as hell.

He sees all the possibilities.

He agrees with the position that the disaster in the flood case would open.

He agrees that Agnew's posture is infinitely better than his own personal posture outside and he resigns and goes into something that he just beaters out as a lame duck vice president in January of 73.

That's right.

Nobody comes in.

You wouldn't be able to .

The real thing that could help is if somebody would give you time to do something for a network, you know, become the president.

If I ask Bryce, he just doesn't have any idea what it is.

He's got a specific job.

And he seems to be, that almost has to be it.

Yeah.

Because no corporation pays that kind of money.

They're a separate corporation.

Yeah.

I see.

Well, I mean, maybe the same amount of work

It could be that.

It could be a combination of television, writing, and speaking.

And that's good.

I think it's key.

If he had resigned for that purpose and said, I feel so deeply about this that I can serve better than this respect, then I've got to do it without the strictures of the vice president.

Speak out.

I don't know what it is.

He could be quite a selector, too, couldn't he?

Yeah, right.

He'd have a hell of an audience.

He could say what he feels about the black world.

Unless he could be an anti-terrorist, I don't know.

I don't think about it.

He could be an anti-terrorist, but he couldn't have security.

He wasn't running the organization.

He could go around and speak and learn all the April tricks.

But all of a sudden, he does that.

Relax.

The city may not have intentionally planned to call him in and say that, but when he sees an opportunity like that come by, he can't turn it in.

Well, you remember, remember when we talked to you about that?

I've got to have something to say.

Make the Easter paper, sir.

I'm sorry?

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