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Start Date: 21-Jul-1971 11:05 AM

End Date: 21-Jul-1971 1:14 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:06:38

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:08:59

264a.mp3

NARA Description:

On July 21, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 11:05 am and 1:14 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 264-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 264-5

Date: July 21, 1971
Time: Unknown between 11:05 am and 1:14 pm
Location: Old Executive Office Building

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     The President's schedule
          -Meeting with John B. Connally
          -Meeting regarding labor
          -Meeting with Robert H. Finch, Donald H. Rumsfeld
          -Meeting with Melvin R. Laird
                -Trip
                -Possible meeting with Henry A. Kissinger
                -National Security Council [NSC] briefing
          -Diplomatic credentials ceremony
          -Peter G. Peterson
                -Foreign trade meeting
          -Kissinger's congressional meeting
          -Congressman
                -Clark MacGregor’s view about leadership meeting
                -John J. McCloy [?]
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9
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                                                               Conv. No. 264-5 (cont.)
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               -Future leadership meetings
                     -Frequency
               -Connally’s view
               -MacGregor
         -Budget meetings
               -Location, time, frequency, duration
               -Participants
                     -Kissinger
               -Duration
         -Future Farmers of America
               -President’s participation
               -Oval Office tour
               -Other farm-related meetings
         -[Dwight D.] Eisenhower silver dollar
               -Connally
               -Mamie G.D. Eisenhower
               -Congressional Cabinet participation
               -Mary T. Brooks
         -Meeting with Alfred P. Chamie
               -Trip to Vietnam
         -Indonesian Ambassador to the US
               -Return to Indonesia
               -Request for meeting
         -Otto E. Passman
               -Request for presidential phone call
                     -Monroe, LA drug conference
         -John S. Davies
               -Departure from Washington
               -Possible dinner in the White House Residence
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                   -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
                   -Patrick J. and Shelley S. Buchanan
                   -Arrangements
                         -Julie Nixon Eisenhower


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                                                           Conv. No. 264-5 (cont.)

BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 10
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              -Meeting option


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 11
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         -Olin E. (“Tiger”) Teague
               -Request for meeting to discuss legislation
               -Donald E. Johnson, Charles M. Teague, George P. Shultz
         -Congressional staff reception on White House South Lawn
               -Congressional recess
               -Previous event
         -Air Force One
               -Naming of plane "Spirit of '76"
                    -Announcement
                          -David J. Mahoney, Jr.
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 17s ]
                                                                      Conv. No. 264-5 (cont.)

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         -Dr. Stanley H. Bear (?)
               -Departure from the White House staff
                    -Meeting with the President
         -Presidential trip
               -Rathbun Dam, Ottumwa, Iowa
                    -Presidential appearance at dedication ceremony
                            -Conservation issue
                            -Previous water project dedications
                                 -Arkansas
                                 -Mobile, Alabama
               -Canton, Ohio
                    -Professional Football Hall of Fame
                            -Parade, induction ceremony
                            -Wellington T. Mara
                            -Vincent T. (“Vince”) Lombardi
                                 -The President's speech
               -Logistics
               -The Bohemian Grove

    [Pause]

              -Order of events
         -The President's meetings with Republican Congressmen
              -Sessions
              -MacGregor
              -Frequency
              -Attendance
              -Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C. Arends
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12
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[Duration: 9s ]

                                                                     Conv. No. 264-5 (cont.)
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               -Compared to Eisenhower administration
                     -Bryce Harlow
         -Cabinet meeting
         -Congress
               -MacGregor
               -Schedule
         -Presidential trips
               -Bohemian Grove
                     -California
               -Canton, Ohio
               -Dayton, Ohio
         -Republican women's federation
               -October trip to Washington
               -Trip to the People’s Republic of China [PRC]
               -Congressional recess
         -President Josip Broz Tito's state visit in October, 1971
         -Florida
         -Trip to Maine
               -Timing

    [Pause]

         -Cancellation of event in Hawaii
              -Cost
              -Asian trip
         -Maine
              -Timing
              -Congress
         -Dallas
              -Timing
         -New York
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               -Knights of Columbus event
         -New England trip
               -Maine
               -New Hampshire
                     -Shipyard event
                          -Portsmouth
               -Apollo 15 spacecraft splashdown                 Conv. No. 264-5 (cont.)
         -New England states
         -Mid-Atlantic, western states
         -Trip to the PRC
               -Departure from California
                     -”Gateway to the Orient”
               -Return stops in Hawaii, Alaska
               -Advance
                     -Kissinger
                     -Separation from other staff members
                     -Kissinger's role
               -Press contingent
                     -Television networks, wire services
                     -Newspapers, magazines, radio
                     -The New York Times, the Washington Post
                          -Henry A. Grunwald
               -Stopover in Hawaii
                     -Advantages
               -California departure
                     -San Francisco
               -The President's role in trip arrangements
               -Secret Service


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
[Agency Policy]
[Duration: 16s ]


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              -Routine preparations
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 13
[Agency Policy]
[Duration: 9s ]                                                    Conv. No. 264-5 (cont.)


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              -Security arrangements

    Ambassadorial appointments
        -Japan
             -The President's conversation with David M. Kennedy
             -Peterson
             -Connally
             -Kennedy
             -William P. Rogers
             -Age
             -The State Department
                   -Channels of communication
                   -Leaks
             -Kennedy's view of State Department


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 14
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[Duration: 16s ]


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              -Rogers
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    The President's military aides
         -Kissinger
         -Appearance
              -Gen. James D. (“Don”) Hughes
              -Ceremonial visits contrasted with routine duty

                                                           Conv. No. 264-5 (cont.)
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    Article about the President
          -Richard (“Dick”) Wilson
               -Look
               -Reprint in the Reader's Digest
               -Amount of time needed for meeting with the President
               -Contact with others on the White House staff
                     -Kissinger, John D. Ehrlichman, Haldeman
               -Contact with Rose Mary Woods, other White House staff

    Voluntary action centers
        -Progress report
              -Staff
              -Locations
              -Funding
        -Lenore L. Romney
        -"Right to Read" program
        -Youth
              -Senators

    The Bicentennial
         -David J. Mahoney, Jr.
         -Pennsylvania
         -Washington, DC
         -Boston, Massachusetts
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     -Virginia
     -Miami, Florida
     -Mahoney

Efforts to appeal to youth
     -Finch
     -Charles W. Colson                                       Conv. No. 264-5 (cont.)
     -The PRC
     -Vietnam

Personnel
     -Rogers
          -John Richardson, Jr.
                 -Educational and Cultural Affairs post
                       -Previous job with Radio Free Europe
                 -Political work
                       -Youth focus
          -Public affairs position
                 -Political orientation
     -Possible task force
          -Youth, PRC

Conservatives
    -Young Americans for Freedom [YAF]
    -John Birch Society
          -Current status compared to California, 1962
          -PRC
    -Laos, Cambodia actions in the Vietnam war
    -Reaction of the right

Congressional leaders
    -Centrists
    -Colson
    -John B. Connally
    -MacGregor
          -Role
    -William E. Timmons

President’s schedule
     -Breakfasts
     -Chowder and Marching Society
     -Supporters
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Youth issue
    -YAF
Economic issues
    -John Kenneth Galbraith
    -Wage-price controls
          -Keynsian economic theory
          -Public opinion                                  Conv. No. 264-5 (cont.)
                -Labor unions, business
          -Socialists, Communists
                -Galbraith, Walter W. Heller
          -George P. Shultz
          -Democrats
                -Economic spokesman
    -Speech
          -William L. Safire's recommendations
                -The President's Kansas City speech
          -Peterson
          -Radio speech
                -Steel strike
                -Effect as example of public leadership
                -Connally
          -David Lawrence's column
                -Chou En-lai
                -PRC initiative
          -Radio

Foreign relations
     -Vietnam War
           -Kissinger
           -Hanoi
           -South Vietnam
     -The PRC initiative
           -Roles, responsibilities
                 -Rogers
                 -Kissinger, the President
     -Agnew
     -Laird
     -Rogers, Laird, Kissinger

The President's schedule
     -Finch, Rumsfeld
     -Finch
          -Job offers
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                     -Mexico [Ambassadorship]
                     -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
                     -Office of Emergency Preparedness [OEP]
                           -Rumsfeld
                           -Finch
                     -California
                           -Reagan                                       Conv. No. 264-5 (cont.)
          -Rumsfeld
                -Counsellor position
                      -Arthur F. Burns, [Surname unintelligible], Finch, Rumsfeld
          -Frequency of staff and Cabinet meetings
          -Paul W. McCracken
                -Shultz
          -Burns’ request for a meeting
                -Ehrlichman
                -Connally
                -Loyalty to administration

     Presidential leadership
          -Public relations
                -PRC initiative compared to other foreign travel
                -Family Assistance Program
                -Eisenhower’s statement on trip to Korea

Kissinger entered at 12:40 pm.

          -The President’s current conversation with Haldeman
          -The PRC initiative
               -Roles
                     -Rogers, Kissinger, the President
               -Hugh S. Sidey
                     -President’s request for Kissinger to talk to Sidey
               -Press
                     -Rogers
                     -Kissinger compared to Rogers
                     -[Forename not given] Alsop’s article
          -The President’s 1969 trip to Romania, European countries
          -The myth of leadership
               -Eisenhower’s trip to Korea
               -John F. Kennedy and Cuba
               -PRC initiative
          -Domestic policy
          -Foreign policy
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    Foreign relations
         -State Department
         -US-USSR summit
               -Timing of announcement
         -Vietnam War
               -Settlement                                           Conv. No. 264-5 (cont.)
               -US troop withdrawal
         -Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
               -Dobrynin’s meeting with Maurice H. Stans personal assistant
                     -Invitation to Stans to visit USSR
                     -Dobrynin’s conversation with Kissinger


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         -Stans possible visit to USSR
              -Staff assistance
                    -Winston Lord
              -Tone of trip
              -Establishment of precedent
                    -Finch
                    -Rumsfeld
                    -Instructions to Cabinet
         -Trips by others
              -PRC
              -USSR
         -Announcement of US-USSR summit
              -Timing
                    -US-PRC summit
              -Economic matters
                    -Dobrynin
                          -Stans
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                       -Kissinger’s conversations with Dobrynin
                 -The President
           -Ford’s inquiry
                 -Mack truck deal
                       -Size
                       -Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania
                       -Negotiations                            Conv. No. 264-5 (cont.)
                 -President’s request for Kissinger to call Ford
     -Policy on trips by Cabinet members
           -Stans
           -Rogers
-Request for Kissinger to call Howard Stein
     -Economic developments
           -US dollar
-Roles and responsibilities
     -Stans
     -The President, Kissinger
           -The PRC initiative, Vietnam negotiations
     -Kissinger’s conversation with Sidey
     -Comparison to Lyndon B. Johnson
     -Kissinger
           -Dealings with the press
           -The New York Times
           -Attitude
           -Max Frankel
           -Henry A. Grunwald
           -Hedley W. Donovan
           -[First name not given] [Thomas?] Griffith
           -John W. Gardner, John V. Lindsay, Edmund S. Muskie
           -Sidey
                 -Role of writer vis-a-vis editor
           -Griffith
           -Grunwald
           -Newsweek, the Washington Post
           -Grunwald
                 -Cyrus R. Vance, W. Averell Harriman
-George H.W. Bush
-Newsweek
-Stans proposed trip to USSR
     -Dobrynin
     -Stans’ possible statements
-Robert J. Dole
     -Proposed trip to Vietnam
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                      -Senator
                      -The PRC
                            -Conservatives
                      -Role as Republican National Committee Chairman as compared to role as
                            US Senator
                      -Comparison to Ronald W. Reagan's proposed trip to Taiwan
           -The South Korean government                               Conv. No. 264-5 (cont.)
                -[Forename unknown] Gallagher
           -Taiwan
                -George A. Murphy
           -Kissinger's dinner in New York City
                -Comments about the PRC initiative
           -The Vietnam war
                -Frankel
                      -Perception of issue
           -Vietnam negotiations
                -Forthcoming meeting
                -Issues
                -Coalition government in South Vietnam
                -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
                -Options
                -Kissinger’s forthcoming conversation with Ford
                -President’s forthcoming conversation with Dole

Kissinger left at 1:05 pm.

           -Kissinger's role
           -Coordination of public relations effort
                -”Nixon initiative”
                -Colson

     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming meeting at 3:00 pm

     Connally
         -Haldeman’s conversation with Harlow
         -Agnew
              -Role of Vice President
              -Possible resignation
                   -Travel, speaking engagements
                          -Compared to Johnson
                   -Harlow
                   -Possible future
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          -Kissinger
          -Agnew

Haldeman left at 1:14 pm.


                                                                 Conv. No. 264-5 (cont.)