Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 267 › Conversation 267-002

Nixon & Butterfield on George P. Shultz and Railroad labor relations

Friday, July 30, 1971 · 9:08 AM–9:10 AM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 2 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Butterfield, Alexander P.Conversation267-002 on Tape 267 (tape position 01:28:34–01:31:41)StartFriday, July 30, 1971 at 9:08 AMEndFriday, July 30, 1971 at 9:10 AMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 267-002 ↗

President Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met to coordinate the President's upcoming schedule and manage communications with George P. Shultz. The discussion focused on logistical arrangements for Shultz's meeting with railroad officials and the potential need for a follow-up telephone briefing. Nixon deliberated on whether a direct meeting with Shultz was necessary or if a telephonic update would suffice, ultimately questioning the utility of a formal sit-down.

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He just said, if you are going to drop in, you're in the cavern.
He talked about five minutes, and I was sitting here.
When are they going to be there?
Just this time.
Eight minutes long.
Where are they meeting?
In the cavern.
It was at one point, George, if you have something to see from, make sure that you have a chair.
Well, what is the situation?
Has he determined yet whether he wants to come in or not?
Because we last night showed him the shirt.
I said, well, he's in love with me.
He's in love with me.
Do you want to take time to sit down?
I'm not too sure it's a good idea.
He thinks it's useful for him to give me a call and fill me in on the phone, but I'm not in built on it.
I'll have to come over to it.

On July 30, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:08 am to 9:10 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 267-002 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 267-002

Date: July 30, 1971
Time: 9:08 am - 9:10 am

       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542

Location: Old Executive Office Building

The President met with Alexander P. Butterfield.

     The President's schedule
          -George P. Shultz
               -Meeting with railroad officials
               -Telephone call from Shultz

Butterfield left at 9:10 am.
  • 267-003 9:10 AM · 3 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 9:10 am and 9:13 am.
  • 007-036 9:13 AM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and George P. Shultz talked on the telephone from 9:13 am to 9:15 am.
  • 267-004 9:13 AM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and George P. Shultz met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:13 am to 9:15 am.
  • 007-037 9:15 AM · 9 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 9:15 am and 10:27 am.
  • 267-005 9:15 AM · 19 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 9:15 am and 9:35 am.
  • 067-001 9:37 AM · 18 min — President Richard M. Nixon and representatives from the United Transportation Union and railroad management, including Stephen Ailes, John P. ("Jack") Hiltz, Charles Luna, George P. Shultz, James D. Hodgson, John A. Volpe, Gen. George A. Lincoln, Willie J. Usery, Jr., Arnold R. Weber, Paul W. McCracken, and Ronald L. Ziegler, met in the Cabinet Room of the White House at an unknown time between 9:37 am and 10:23 am.
  • 067-002 9:54 AM · 2 min — a White House tour group met in the Cabinet Room of the White House at an unknown time between 9:54 am and 10:10 am.
  • 067-003 9:54 AM · 3 min — a White House tour group met in the Cabinet Room of the White House at an unknown time between 9:54 am and 10:10 am.

Conversation 267-002, July 30, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/267-002 (accessed October 9, 2026).