{"conversationCode":"269-013","tapeNumber":269,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-269-013","startDateTime":"1971-08-03T13:57:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-08-03T13:58:00.000Z","startDate":"3-Aug-1971","startTime":"9:57 AM","endDate":"3-Aug-1971","endTime":"9:58 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Hodgson, James D.;","description":"On August 3, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and James D. Hodgson met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:57 am to 9:58 am. 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Curtis Counts\n           -Hodgson's briefing\n           -Price increase\n           -President’s appreciation for Hodgson’s and others’ work","filename":["269-013-splice.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:40:44","tapeEnd":"01:43:07","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Hodgson, James D."],"prevCode":"269-012","nextCode":"269-014","tapeTranscriptFile":"269a.mp3,269b.mp3,269c.mp3,269d.mp3","transcript":[{"start":6052.14,"end":6054.8,"text":"So, yeah."},{"start":6055.9,"end":6056.32,"text":"Hello."},{"start":6057.26,"end":6064.48,"text":"But again, the boys really did a great job, and I don't know if you've covered your sleep, but I wanted to tell you that we're going to take off in a few days."},{"start":6064.52,"end":6064.8,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":6066.18,"end":6067.2,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":6067.22,"end":6074.68,"text":"Around the department?"},{"start":6074.74,"end":6075.06,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":6075.6,"end":6077.28,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":6077.3,"end":6078.34,"text":"You weren't there very much, were you?"},{"start":6085.87,"end":6086.81,"text":"Sure, sure."},{"start":6087.13,"end":6094.23,"text":"Absolutely."},{"start":6094.31,"end":6103.66,"text":"Yeah, I thought, I didn't, I didn't call, I thought I'm going to call Kurt Trump too."},{"start":6103.7,"end":6104.54,"text":"And I don't, I won't."},{"start":6120.36,"end":6121.78,"text":"Well, I'll tell you, great job."},{"start":6121.8,"end":6123.14,"text":"And you did a fine briefing too."},{"start":6123.43,"end":6126.35,"text":"The company is great and their prices are not unanticipated."},{"start":6126.55,"end":6140.08,"text":"And, uh, actually, it's one of those things."},{"start":6140.1,"end":6142.94,"text":"Okay, well, I mean, Matthew, you just did something good."},{"start":6142.98,"end":6145.28,"text":"They thought you'd be kind of a good partner."},{"start":6145.58,"end":6146.42,"text":"You were out and about."},{"start":6150.23,"end":6152.05,"text":"Yeah, you tell us."},{"start":6152.07,"end":6153.97,"text":"I want you to follow that verse."},{"start":6153.99,"end":6156.72,"text":"There are lots of other people down in the shop at work."},{"start":6157.31,"end":6160.38,"text":"We'll be sure to take it to work."},{"start":6162.44,"end":6163,"text":"We should wait."},{"start":6163.02,"end":6166.18,"text":"But they all ought to know."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":6051.89,"end":6166.77,"startMethod":"llm-alignment","endMethod":"llm-alignment"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","originalFilename":["269a.mp3","269b.mp3","269c.mp3","269d.mp3"],"spliceSource":{"spliceType":"bigtape","sourceFiles":["269a.mp3"],"cutStart":6050.39,"cutEnd":6168.27,"adjustedStart":6050.39,"adjustedEnd":6168.27,"boundaryMethod":"llm-alignment","confidence":"high","splicedAt":"2026-10-27T04:37:27.171Z"},"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Secretary of Labor James D. Hodgson to commend him and his team for their successful mediation of the recent steel industry labor negotiations. The President expressed his satisfaction with the settlement and the handling of subsequent price increases, acknowledging the dedicated efforts of Hodgson, Willie J. Usery, Jr., and J. Curtis Counts. Nixon instructed Hodgson to ensure that all involved parties received formal recognition for their contributions before Hodgson took personal leave.","topics":["Steel Industry","Labor Negotiations","Collective Bargaining","James D. 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