{"conversationCode":"269-014","tapeNumber":269,"conversationNumber":14,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-269-014","startDateTime":"1971-08-03T13:59:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-08-03T14:02:00.000Z","startDate":"3-Aug-1971","startTime":"9:59 AM","endDate":"3-Aug-1971","endTime":"10:02 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Counts, J. Curtis;","description":"On August 3, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and J. Curtis Counts met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:59 am to 10:02 am. 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Curtis"],"prevCode":"269-013","nextCode":"269-015","tapeTranscriptFile":"269a.mp3,269b.mp3,269c.mp3,269d.mp3","transcript":[{"start":6195.7,"end":6200.38,"text":"Hello."},{"start":6200.46,"end":6201.12,"text":"Hello, Kurt."},{"start":6202.1,"end":6213.59,"text":"Well, I guess, I know you haven't had much sleep, but I want you to know that that was really a great job on the steel thing, and you tell all the people in your shop tonight, I'm most grateful."},{"start":6214.93,"end":6224.52,"text":"You know, after all, of course, the company did have to raise prices, but all in all, it's foolish to have a strike about as close as 11 when they finally came down to 11,000."},{"start":6254.47,"end":6259.89,"text":"Well, you get a little time off to go to the country or something."},{"start":6259.91,"end":6260.59,"text":"You must be tired."},{"start":6260.95,"end":6267.19,"text":"I understand you didn't take your shoes off for three nights, according to Jim Hodgson."},{"start":6267.55,"end":6267.79,"text":"Railroad?"},{"start":6267.81,"end":6270.33,"text":"No, you steal people, steal in a more orderly way."},{"start":6270.35,"end":6272.03,"text":"You only stay up for three o'clock at night."},{"start":6285.54,"end":6285.99,"text":"Oh, boy."},{"start":6320.34,"end":6320.54,"text":"All right."},{"start":6325.28,"end":6326.88,"text":"Gotta get some rest in a little while."},{"start":6327.42,"end":6327.84,"text":"Okay."},{"start":6329.28,"end":6330.88,"text":"I've been talking about it all year long."},{"start":6330.9,"end":6334.76,"text":"You were an All-American baseball player and they don't believe you."},{"start":6334.8,"end":6340.05,"text":"And I said they don't remember that far back."},{"start":6340.11,"end":6340.21,"text":"Okay."},{"start":6340.23,"end":6340.41,"text":"Bye."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":6195.35,"end":6341.44,"startMethod":"llm-alignment","endMethod":"llm-alignment"},"transcriptConfidence":"high","transcriptSource":"bigtape","originalFilename":["269a.mp3","269b.mp3","269c.mp3","269d.mp3"],"spliceSource":{"spliceType":"bigtape","sourceFiles":["269a.mp3"],"cutStart":6193.85,"cutEnd":6342.94,"adjustedStart":6193.85,"adjustedEnd":6342.94,"boundaryMethod":"llm-alignment","confidence":"high","splicedAt":"2026-10-27T04:37:27.192Z"},"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service Director J. Curtis Counts to express his appreciation for Counts' successful efforts in mediating a recent steel labor settlement. The conversation addressed the necessity of the resulting price increases while affirming that avoiding a strike remained the administration's primary objective. Nixon also commended Counts' personal dedication throughout the grueling negotiation process and encouraged him to take time off to recuperate.","topics":["Steel industry","Labor negotiations","Collective bargaining","J. 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