Nixon, Haldeman & Abel on Lockheed loan guarantee and Busing

3:48:21No hurry.
3:48:21Hi, Bob.
3:48:21Would you come over now, please?
3:50:38Could you get me, uh, Mr. I.W.
3:50:41Abel of the United Steelworkers of America, please?
3:51:02Oh, John said he's pending.
3:51:04The Texas School of Things at 8, 15, 11 o'clock.
3:51:07Yeah, I guess they were up there.
3:51:12Well, you know, George, I went up, I tried to reach John.
3:51:17Well,
3:52:17Hello?
3:52:19Well, I hope you're getting some sleep after your long sessions over the weekend.
3:52:24Yeah, and I want to tell you that I'm pleased that they didn't have the stoppage.
3:52:28What I realize is that it's one of those things where all the stockpiles were filled up and everything, and there were some arguments that there was a difference, but I think the psychology of the country would have been badly affected by a steel stoppage at this point.
3:52:51Well, and also, the lines harden when you really come down to it.
3:52:54The diet you took came down to the minus hours.
3:53:02You're about one and a half percent apart, and so on.
3:53:04So, I do want to think like that.
3:53:05Is it going to get better by strike?
3:53:07The problem is, is it probably worse?
3:53:08So that was my experience with 59.
3:53:09It's that way.
3:53:10The longer the strike went on, the more the boys had to have.
3:53:15Yeah.
3:53:15Because you see, as I understand it, and I'm sure the person knows far better than I do, if I were representing the Houston and I couldn't put the 40,000 strike, I could never settle for what appeared to be what you could have gotten before it went out.
3:53:31You've got to ask to have more to pay for that strike.
3:53:36All right.
3:53:37Well, I hope everything goes well.
3:53:45Yeah, right, right.
3:53:46We, of course, are going to be looking very, very, naturally, as you will, we'll be looking at that productivity thing, hoping that we'll, I know you, I'm glad you did set up a committee on that, and I know you can work on that, and of course, we'll try to look at the forum and see what help we can get.
3:54:19Well, we're going to have a meeting in September, you know, and your industry is so important to us that I would appreciate it if you could do it.
3:54:28If you feel any kind of mind problem with some of them, we'll help you let me know.
3:54:32I'll be glad to get you in.
3:54:34And incidentally, I'll talk the same way to management.
3:54:37You can be sure it's going to be even-ended.
3:54:46Kurt Gauntz, yeah.
3:54:50He's a good fellow, you know, I've known him for 25 years.
3:54:52Yeah, yeah.
3:54:54Do you like him?
3:54:57Good, good.
3:54:59Good.
3:54:59Well, they... Good, good.
3:55:03Aren't the men pretty?
3:55:04I noticed the news summary this morning indicated that the Ring, well, they were pretty.
3:55:09Well, some, perhaps, one of them.
3:55:11But most of those were regretted in that strike, and I imagine particularly their wives were.
3:55:21Great.
3:55:21Great.
3:55:22Well, we're glad to make somebody happy.
3:55:25I'll remember that.
3:55:31I'll remember.
3:55:32That's great.
3:55:36That's great.
3:55:37I was made to teach all that sometime.
3:55:41Good.
3:55:41Well, we'll see you in September if not summer.
3:55:52It's very important that this guy works on the ground.
3:56:01McGregor, please.
3:56:05Trying to reach McGregor last night.
3:56:11I just couldn't go down the list.
3:56:14What is your list, Nicole?
3:56:22I think little notes on that might be a good idea, you know.
3:56:31For example,
3:56:34The tower, for instance, Caleb want to call and kill them all right now.
3:56:39He can't call anybody without calling the tower.
3:56:42Just like their job.
3:56:44Great job, many thanks, R.M.
3:56:47To Caleb Long, many thanks, R.M.
3:56:53And to Bill Roth.
3:56:55I know, I know this was when I know the lucky people.
3:57:09Yeah.
3:57:11I tried to reach you last night.
3:57:12You were in New York.
3:57:13They said go into a play or a theater or something.
3:57:16But I just thought that was a great victory.
3:57:18And did you take off by that bridge or did you take off earlier?
3:57:24Yeah.
3:57:25Right.
3:57:25Right.
3:57:27I tell you, when you win one, you win them big, don't you?
3:57:29Yeah.
3:57:31That's right.
3:57:33Landslide McGregor.
3:57:34Yeah, yeah, well, it was great.
3:57:35I'll send, I'm sending little notes to various people, to John Tower, to Caleb Fogg.
3:57:42You know, the old Caleb and Rob came through.
3:57:46That was incredible.
3:57:49And how about Cook?
3:57:50Yeah, I wrote both.
3:57:50I'm writing a cover.
3:57:51How about Cook?
3:57:55She did one.
3:57:57Yeah, yeah, okay.
3:57:58Well, anyway, one other thing.
3:58:00You know, yours and mine, dear friend Pete Nomni, can't you get him to sort of pipe down a little?
3:58:06I mean, you know, the guy is, of course, on the China thing, and virtually every time he turns around, he comes up with something quite negative.
3:58:15And after all, he is the campaign chairman.
3:58:18I don't mind him voting against Lockheed.
3:58:20I understand that.
3:58:21And we win.
3:58:21But, you know, look at our leaders, our great leaders.
3:58:23We lost Crick.
3:58:24We lost him.
3:58:25We lost Aiken.
3:58:26Good God.
3:58:27We lost Margaret Smith.
3:58:35Yeah.
3:58:36Right, right.
3:58:38What?
3:58:41I don't know.
3:58:42Is there anything we can do for him?
3:58:44I mean, I don't know.
3:58:44You know, Henry's talked to us about the thing, and if he really thinks it's true on the China thing, it's smart.
3:58:51It's not only smart, but it's right.
3:58:54And don't you agree?
3:58:57Yeah.
3:58:58Yeah.
3:59:00Yeah, because basically we're fighting to keep Taiwan in.
3:59:03If we weren't doing that, they'd be out on their ass right now.
3:59:10Good.
3:59:11Well, good.
3:59:13Well, when he gets back, I want you to say a few positive things.
3:59:18He is a Senate candidate.
3:59:19Okay.
3:59:19Well, you did a great job, all your team, including John McAuley.
3:59:23And are there any other notes that you read?
3:59:26I don't want to write too many because it's the cheapest of currency, but I will write to Marlo Cook.
3:59:35Good.
3:59:35Good.
3:59:37Yeah.
3:59:37I called several, but the only one that came through was Caleb, and he came through because Rob came through.
3:59:45Right.
3:59:45Okay.
3:59:45If you paid it, we've got to give them that effective chemical.
3:59:51But I'll do it.
3:59:52I'll do it.
3:59:53I believe in keeping my bargain.
3:59:56Okay.
3:59:56And that's it.
3:59:57Marlowe's up.
3:59:58Here's Marlowe.
4:00:02on all accounts I want you to know how grateful I am I think this is part of what I have been doing I did on some others where I wrote everybody's book before me
4:00:33Well, most of them didn't vote for you.
4:00:38Some of these people voted because you put the, you know, a lot of others voted because they had to vote.
4:00:55I called someone, sometimes I don't call, and it's been an idea as well, but she just agreed to go forward and call that woman.
4:01:05Look where, yeah, I've got it.
4:01:08Did her in, 69.
4:01:24Well, I'd like to do it.
4:01:32Okay.
4:01:34Poor John's still at Schultz.
4:01:36Well, I just got to get everybody to understand that.
4:01:44I told Schultz that regional director has to go, and I understand he did his thing.
4:01:52Sorry?
4:01:53Yeah, Morgan has several people I think that they could work with.
4:01:58I think part of the problem is we moved some people, kicked some people out of Atlanta last year and a couple of them ended up in Austin this year.
4:02:07They're the same people doing the same thing again.
4:02:10Yeah, I assume you're not going to have a restaurant or something like that, right?
4:02:16No, I'm not.
4:02:16You are going to.
4:02:20I think I might as well get it done with Bob out of here.
4:02:27Right, to say that maybe you might want to put it off because there's some rustle out that you're going to have once you want it off your head.
4:02:33And that will turn up.
4:02:36But who in the hell will put it off?
4:02:38There's a lot of people, probably there might be one.
4:02:40In Canada, as soon as you're doing checking with people and stuff, they get bored.
4:02:49It's hard to get out.
4:02:51What he's suggesting is that what you might want to do is have it at 11 in the morning, or 12, or something like that, instead of at 3, which is when they're expecting.
4:02:58We could then throw them off as far as getting the here regulars in.
4:03:08The disadvantage in any office is you get too many people.
4:03:11Well, you don't get too many.
4:03:13Well, you get the wrong people.
4:03:14You get Mary McGraw and all those people instead of a regular reporter.
4:03:19Yeah.
4:03:20And also, also, they have a chance to .
4:03:22That they may do anyway if they're expecting one at the end of the day. .
4:03:43What he's suggesting is that what you might want to do is have it at 11 in the morning, or 12, or something like that, instead of at 3, which is when they're expecting.
4:04:00We can then throw them off as far as getting the here regulars in.
4:04:11The disadvantage in any office is we get too many people.
4:04:14But not only too many, you also get the wrong people.
4:04:17You get Mary McGorry and all those people instead of the president and the reporter.
4:04:23Yeah.
4:04:24And also, also, you have a chance to have a terrible career.
4:04:28You can't have any of that.
4:04:44Oh, we got that.
4:04:47I don't want to get it off until after that.
4:04:49I don't want to put it off until after the unemployment region.
4:04:52I figure that they will be where they are up on two tenths of a point or three tenths.
4:04:56They could be because of the seasonal variation.
4:04:58I don't want to have to comment on the unemployment thing.
4:05:03That's just not going to be a common problem.
4:05:07I think it just means we'll do the goddamn thing.
4:05:10I just figure I've got to build a tree of losses.
4:05:12If they have too many, they have too many.
4:05:15I would say, wait a minute, why do you say you're not supposed to trust me?
4:05:23How would that throw them off?
4:05:27If the president is going to be the daughter of our NRI, then he won't understand.
4:05:38If you're going to have to go, you know, you're going to have to have a power night.
4:05:45I put it up for the switch in New York, setting up people in New York.
4:05:56That's true.
4:05:56Yeah.
4:05:57In other words, just off, take off.
4:06:03I think you're right.
4:06:06Yeah.
4:06:08Yeah.
4:06:09Yeah.
4:06:10I wonder what our, I understand, I just didn't hear a little comment or an argument.
4:06:16What is the latest on it?
4:06:18He told me that, and I, and then showed that we're not going to attempt to strut it.
4:06:24Let it go.
4:06:24What's the, what about the date?
4:06:26If you let him get out the story, we're going to put that out or not put that out.
4:06:39Of Obama, that's right.
4:06:41All right.
4:06:42Would you, uh...
4:06:45I bet you we'll call them and tell them that the president is one.
4:07:18Yep.
4:07:18Now, on that historical, then, is he appealed right over there?
4:07:20Christ takes the time to wait.
4:07:21They're not going to be making their statements.
4:07:27I don't know whether Michael is going to make these calls next week or next year.
4:07:39Now, Holland is not calling.
4:07:40He hasn't called.
4:07:46If you could, John, I know you were here at a meeting, but would you call Medjool on a new personal follow-up?
4:07:52Medjool must make these calls and pick the ones that are likely to pop off.
4:07:56The Texas chairman first, the Mississippi chairman second.
4:07:58I don't know which other ones you would follow.
4:08:06No?
4:08:06How about the Texas chairman?
4:08:09Technically, what?
4:08:20So what is Metro going to tell us?
4:08:23Metro will tell him that first we are gas busting.
4:08:28We're going to have to break.
4:08:32Is he going to tell him that as far as this plant is concerned, that we repudiate the TPW plant?
4:08:41That we repudiate the TPW plant?
4:08:42And both of the TPWs?
4:08:45Any line?
4:08:45Okay.
4:08:55I understand that the other scheme that George has with regard to another proposal without busting the income on the market.
4:09:24Now, Connolly, of course, says to me, great, really, Dallas.
4:09:32Dallas, we have got to get over that.
4:09:38We've got to get over this goddamn thing right now.
4:09:42Everybody will come to Dallas.
4:09:45Yeah, well, I think that perhaps all of the issues
4:10:00All right, all right, we must, they must understand that those HWBs that are not due now, it's not about them, that is the end.
4:10:15And let's start fighting the public, you know.
4:10:24You still feel what you have to feel.
4:10:30There's no way, I was thinking about possibly .
4:10:42That's it.
4:11:07Because they'll have the same plan.
4:12:01But just so we understand how strong I feel about, it must have been, I want to fight foul warfare any way there is.
4:12:10And I want to fight, and as many times as I can, I will be able to beat over that dude in the hand.
4:12:20I'll be able to beat him.
4:12:41All right.
4:12:46But let me say, still put in the amendment, though.
4:12:51And then I don't think .
4:13:03I also want us to come again to where we are.
4:13:06That's good.
4:13:06I like that.
4:13:07I like that.
4:13:08We're going to try to get through it.
4:13:10And I suggest this.
4:13:12And we believe, who I understand, how it will be today, how it will be today, who we are, and why it is important.
4:13:32Well, why don't we just get the motion to work, get the amendment, get the hell out of Congress, rather than making a statement.
4:13:57this amendment comes to do that.
4:14:01Yeah, I mean, it was a fair amendment.
4:14:04So, yeah.
4:14:06All right, fine.
4:14:08Great.
4:14:09You got the amendment, that would be better.
4:14:24Well, why don't you call the speaker in the hall and see what he says?
4:14:55There's no great concern.
4:14:56You just think you're going to have too many crowds.
4:14:59Well, I don't know why they can't.
4:15:00These guys can't keep their mouths shut about this.
4:15:04They have to go tell the press.
4:15:07That's what I've got to add.
4:15:08I'm not saying it gets to the press.
4:15:10It doesn't need to get to the press, Bob, but when it's out, see, it's been...
4:15:15Bouncing pass, start a vote, and then cancel it and start another one.
4:15:19As soon as you pull up over here, they start suspecting.
4:15:22They ask, any time you spend any time over here, they ask, I will probably get that with my own.
4:15:27You were with them yesterday, and they told you it's going to be you.
4:15:31We put those out.
4:15:45I'm waiting.
4:15:45I'm taking my time.
4:16:19Why don't you call in and ask me one second?
4:16:21I want to know if I have to go in.
4:16:24The charge is three.
4:16:25Three.
4:16:26Three-thirty is up there.
4:16:27It's not like three.
4:16:30You can give me a lot of different places.
4:16:34How about just making it two-thirty?
4:16:41I didn't get expected to pull it off.
4:16:46He says three.
4:16:50Christ, did we put everything out?
4:16:52Well, we didn't plan to do it for you, I don't think.
4:16:55That's a funny time that I had when I had to go to New York.
4:17:02Or maybe he's just making...
4:17:04I'm not going to tell anybody.
4:17:05I'm not in New Canada, not anybody.
4:17:06I'm sitting here prepared about that and about myself.
4:17:08There's no reason to have these leaks.
4:17:09We can get to New Canada.
4:17:10We don't have to tell New Canada when the press conference is.
4:17:13We just don't know when the book is going to be ready.
4:17:23and they may not have any idea that there's a time.
4:17:25Well, it is much better without any, a lot of the bacteria come in, you know, and it clutters up the little parts just to give you a crowd.
4:17:38And so, you know, all of it is fine.
4:17:56What's your impression of the Texas group?
4:17:59I just like you and I became a popular leader and that's actually the same thing.
4:18:05We have to, isn't there some other way to go ahead and benefit?
4:18:09You know, you've got to come up with something.
4:18:13There, what it boils down to is that there, you don't have to, but all of them you're going to have to.
4:18:19It's better to do it now and get it done.
4:18:22It's better to do it in Austin than in Dallas.
4:18:31You have the same problems as Dallas and Houston, of course.
4:19:01Oh.
4:19:14Ron, I'm trying to press up here about the press conference saying that you're one that you've had some questions on whether it's going to be one time.
4:19:25We moved it to 2.30 or something like that.
4:19:27Is it an odd time that that's two o'clock?
4:19:29Yeah, we called.
4:19:31I mean, it wouldn't be anybody here.
4:19:39Well, you'd have the wires and then some...
4:19:45if you call out.
4:19:46So you need to do it at a regular briefing time.
4:19:50What is the briefing time?
4:19:5211.
4:19:5211 or 4.
4:19:52Well, I'm on 3.
4:19:58Well, what about doing it at 3?
4:19:59Then you start to call out.
4:20:00Is that it?
4:20:28What about going to the Pickle Pool?
4:20:35You can do it at 1130 or 12.
4:21:00You can do it at 12, you can just stall them while you're braking.
4:21:08Wait for 12 to say.
4:21:09You can do it at 12.
4:21:18Jerry went out at 11.30.
4:21:19They said, I'm waiting for you anyway.
4:21:21He went out at 11.30 and said, Ron will be with you in a few minutes.
4:21:25He's tied up.
4:21:26You can go out a little before 12 and say the president's going to brief you.
4:21:36Come on in.
4:21:38That would work, man.
4:21:39Okay.
4:21:40Don't do anything about it.
4:21:43What about 3 o'clock?
4:21:44Now what about 3 o'clock?
4:21:453 o'clock you say is back and you have to call.
4:21:48Yeah.
4:21:49And if you said ahead of time you were going to brief at 3 o'clock, then they...
4:21:55They all turn up.
4:21:59Yeah.
4:21:59All right.
4:22:00How about staying ahead of time?
4:22:02Wait a minute.
4:22:03I'm going to have the president in front of you.
4:22:05All right.
4:22:10That's the thing you put on the panel.
4:22:13You're only putting it on three hours a day at 11 o'clock.
4:22:18What about at your 11 o'clock briefing saying, I'm going to leave the tree this afternoon because the president will be leaving at 4 from New York?
4:22:27For dinner with his daughter.
4:22:30For dinner with his daughter.
4:22:32Do you think he needs to do a lot of testing?
4:22:41They asked him today about whether or not he could.
4:22:45Okay.
4:22:46Very good.
4:22:47He says,
4:23:10But it isn't, they're not as, they didn't have any time because they just haven't, they haven't been, the word is out there's going to be a press conference tomorrow among a few people.
4:23:20It's not super widespread, but there's enough people asking about it that anything he does out of the ordinary is going to, as he said, spook them a little more.
4:23:28Again, what he's concerned about is getting a couple hundred people to come to that forum.
4:23:37He says he can stall until at the latest 12 o'clock, a little 30 would be better.
4:23:43But without getting anybody stirred up, because that's a fairly frequent happening.
4:23:48He'll do it in the morning.
4:23:50But if he tries to juggle the afternoon, then he'll either not get anybody or he'll get everybody.
4:23:55You're going to get none or too many.
4:23:58You're going to get what you're looking for.
4:24:00So he'll go for a little 30-40.
4:24:48you know, and sapphires and so forth.
4:24:49I had forgotten to tell you the other time, I wanted to be a fan of the video camera, and I looked at it all the time.
4:24:57I had to call out my friends by all the street.
4:24:59I just didn't want to breathe a lot in that moment.
4:25:02And it just gets my mind all wrong.
4:25:04And my husband was doing the same thing, and I just said to him to read this stuff, and to do it, and get me what you need of it.
4:25:10And this is the summer I've been wanting to do this for a week.
4:25:14That's new summer and we definitely want it.
4:25:18Would you not agree?
4:25:20Yeah, because it gives you more of an overview.
4:25:23And it's a little bit better than the ones that you get day by day.
4:25:29Maybe that's too much oriented.
4:25:33Well, it is to some extent because there's less IP.
4:25:41So get told you can't drag, but I won't.
4:25:44The other thing that I need is a better statement on the positive side of the economy.
4:25:51He hasn't cracked the fairway.
4:25:55And what could this mean?
4:25:59I appreciate it.
4:26:01Thank you.
4:26:08Now let's look at economic policies.
4:26:11The fact is that economic policies are quite expensive.
4:26:16There's a lot of ones that are cool.
4:26:19The economy is rising.
4:26:20Economic policies are becoming more and more catchy.
4:26:24There's all kinds of things going on.
4:26:27Well, I get it.
4:26:28I'm very interested in that stuff.
4:26:33It's viral.
4:26:35He loves that, doesn't he?
4:26:37Vice President.
4:28:38That is not the problem.
4:29:04The problem is that any sophisticate who's been around the goddamn place knows when I traveled for all of them, when I was vice president, I did all of them.
4:29:13And they've made that public.
4:29:14They've made me out to see the magazines.
4:29:16That's what they've been doing.
4:29:17That's how they're shacking the vice president.
4:29:19And they pointed out that I did.
4:29:20They never did when I did.
4:29:22But they are now.
4:29:23But they are now.
4:29:24Their line is that you went, they talked about the things that you did, going outside, talking to people and all that, and they talked about your memorable trips to Kitchen, to Bates, to Caracas, and they talked about it for a big highlight, but they said it wasn't just those, it was also that on all trips, he always went out and talked to people, and he and Mrs. Nixon went to these very places.
4:29:46I mean, they...
4:29:47They're not in college.
4:29:48He's working.
4:29:49Yeah, but actually, they're petting demons.
4:29:51Well, not really.
4:29:52You can pet it.
4:29:52Your granddaughter asked about it.
4:29:54They're playing more than what they've ever played before because by building you, they make him look bad, which they're trying to do.
4:29:59That's one of his vice words.
4:30:07Well, sure.
4:30:09Sure.
4:30:10He likes to sit, like he enjoyed sitting in that meeting with Texas as well.
4:30:15At least it looked to me like he was, you know, he likes to be in that.
4:30:35Now, your information, we're not going to be able to write it down.
4:30:39This is going to require iron fist, but I'm going to put it that way.
4:30:45It's still up here, but I'm going to put it down.
4:30:48You know, it's not quite as good a department.
4:30:50It's going to be another variety of people.
4:30:58The second one is that it would seem to me, it would seem totally irresponsible to submit to the Congress today the adjournment of the program of this and our decision.
4:31:09And third, it appears to be panicking and separating the prisoners for all the reasons of buying the Congress.
4:31:18Well, also, and I just wrote about it, and I'm not going to miss it.
4:31:23And fourth, I said to John, and I said,
4:31:34Also, if you do it now, it's going to get lost.
4:31:37In other words, you throw it out there at the Congress adjournment in the summer and everybody's going to figure it out.
4:31:43If you do it on the 8th, the day the Congress gets back ready to start kicking around again, all of a sudden you just drop the bomb on it.
4:31:52And there they are, sitting in the back for their session, and you're on top of it, studying that night.
4:31:58That, that strategically worked out, it seems to me, in a hell of a lot of ways.
4:32:02Hi, Henry.
4:32:03Well, there's no one here to talk to you today.
4:32:09Your mom hired you, right?
4:32:11Yeah, I think that's the point.
4:32:14The chairman did.
4:32:35One thing we need to get, I can't remember the schedule, but all right, so one of them is the question of the Japanese member.
4:32:45The problem is that he wants to land in Alaska at 11 o'clock Sunday night instead of at midday Monday.
4:32:54And the question is whether we want to do that.
4:32:59I couldn't possibly do that just because I were in California.
4:33:05It has to be California.
4:33:06It's been too exhausting to do that.
4:33:08I don't mind exhaustion, but I have to, at a certain point, mind the air pressure.
4:33:12It's going to be the air pressure.
4:33:15It's not going to last.
4:33:18It's going to be a rather
4:33:22Unless I was in California.
4:33:24The logistical question was bothering Henry, which is 11 o'clock, that's 11 o'clock Alaska time, which would be 1 a.m. California time, because Alaska is 2 hours early.
4:33:364 a.m. Eastern.
4:33:374 a.m. Eastern.
4:33:41Yeah.
4:33:42And then you finish the meeting at, say, 1 o'clock Alaska time.
4:33:45It'll be 6 a.m. Eastern time.
4:33:49Then you've got an 8-hour flight.
4:33:51I've checked it with them.
4:33:53On the way back, if you can't put this, you can get us maybe set up at 7.
4:33:586 a.m. or 7 o'clock.
4:33:59So you can get back here at 1 o'clock in the afternoon on Monday.
4:34:04No, the South American route, the energy is not until Tuesday.
4:34:10So it would be, in some ways, it's not as bad as doing it on Monday.
4:34:14All of them, if you have the meeting Monday at the time, we originally had you be back here by about, I don't know, 1 o'clock, 1 a.m. Back for the improvement of the decision to be back Monday.
4:34:29So Henry's question is, how can we negotiate now with the Japanese?
4:34:34We can push for Monday morning, Mr. President.
4:34:37As long as we know that it first comes to us, we will do it Sunday night.
4:34:42What we're trying to avoid, we said that Jeff said if he asked, he had to change his schedule and that he wouldn't.
4:34:51Alright.
4:34:52Where can we be, Bob, on how can I find a hotel that's choosing New California for us to date?
4:34:59We can do something there.
4:35:18What I meant is, can we find out something that I can be doing in Sheridan for him at that particular time?
4:35:25Sure.
4:35:25Or maybe there's something in other places, you know, we've got to do in Portland or something like that.
4:35:32We'll build something that's, we'll do a Midwest or Western media briefing.
4:35:35We've got to do Sunday.
4:35:36Let's get that over with.
4:35:37And we're trying to do a Western media briefing in Portland.
4:35:41And then we're flying up to Alaska.
4:35:44I almost said we can't do a media briefing on a Sunday.
4:35:48I think he could.
4:36:16and that would be a problem.
4:36:20How about if we agreed on Saturday and then spend the night in Portland, right?
4:36:29Yeah, Saturday.
4:36:31And in Portland, you can't eat.
4:36:33We don't say Sunday in Portland, do we?
4:36:36Yeah.
4:36:36Unless we go visit a national park or something.
4:36:38Well, that might not be a good idea.
4:36:42We haven't had a wedding in a very long time without them.
4:36:47Well, it's fine.
4:36:48Well, or we can hit Portland on the way out and have a good night in L.A. for the weekend.
4:36:55Go up to Alaska.
4:36:56Go to bed on Friday.
4:36:57Or have a media briefing in L.A. That's fine.
4:36:59I did have a media briefing in L.A. That's all right.
4:37:02Then we can talk in the health community department.
4:37:05We don't need it.
4:37:10Unless we want to try to get all of them into the state, we can get more of them into Washington.
4:37:18Unless we don't have to work that out right now,
4:37:35Yeah, probably because it's kind of a jackass thing to all the people that are telephoning up to Portland to look up.
4:37:41There's 10 times as many people on the right as there are on Portland to look up.
4:37:46Or it should be both times.
4:37:48But...
4:37:54I'd like to do that, and you can do that by just flying in to San Francisco, doing a briefing on Friday, and then on down to San Clemente, and spend the weekend.
4:38:03Probably make a stop somewhere, maybe on the way out also.
4:38:08Maybe not.
4:38:08Maybe we could do something on Sunday night, or Sunday.
4:38:12Or maybe it's a Sunday afternoon.
4:38:14Then a Sunday stop in Fort Lauderdale, either Washington or Oregon, on the way up to Alaska.
4:38:21On the way back to Washington.
4:38:24Like, if you're coming back to Washington, you know what I'm doing.
4:38:28I could assume not fool around.
4:38:29Let's go to 11 o'clock tonight.
4:38:33Why don't you think so?
4:38:34Well, I said to him, you can't worry about the time.
4:38:36Maybe he's excited and all that, but he thought there's something that makes a difference to you.
4:38:40No, it doesn't make a lot of difference.
4:38:42I think it's like how nice and good he's coming at 11 o'clock.
4:38:44We spend an hour or two, one or two hours, whatever they wanted to do at 11 o'clock.
4:38:53Oh, and if it was 10 o'clock, isn't it?
4:38:59I think it's going to be there.
4:39:03I found out .
4:39:27I think frankly there's something to be said.
4:39:33Either one.
4:39:34I would leave it to them.
4:39:35So I would be glad to come up that night and be glad to come to you the next morning.
4:39:41That's the most gracious way.
4:39:42And then it's up to you, either one.
4:39:45It's your option.
4:39:46It can't be after, well they won't want it after.
4:39:52It can't be after dinner on Sunday.
4:39:56Also on the caps we have a question whether you would receive a courtesy call from the Prince and Princess.
4:40:04This is Hitachi who is the younger brother of the Crown Prince.
4:40:12And they're going to be in Washington September 14th and 15th.
4:40:18And they visit the Man House in New York.
4:40:22He actually would be just going to invite them to come by and pay their respects, but they haven't.
4:40:27She didn't have them to me.
4:40:33There's one advantage with the Anchorage stuff, in addition to the mileage, it takes up too much time.
4:40:44I've been to Japanese before the deaths.
4:40:46I've also been to Chinese.
4:40:48I think they might just as well have seen them again.
4:40:51And I'm going to be self-authentic.
4:40:53And I wish to thank our friends for sending Reagan on this secret drive on the East.
4:40:56So forth and so on.
4:40:58And what else?
4:41:05You know, the rest of you can do that here.
4:41:08On the Sequoia thing, it's a three-hour run from Mount Vernon up.
4:41:14So if you want to do the month, read up.
4:41:19It's not six hours, it's not about five hours.
4:41:21You're going against the current.
4:41:23It's just a little over an hour and 15, 20 minutes going down and three hours coming back.
4:41:30Twice as long coming up and it's going down.
4:41:35Now, sunset is 815.
4:41:36I think what you better do, unless you want to do the three hours,
4:41:41is to get aboard at 6 o'clock and cruise down and you can have the honors and get off of Mount Vernon to come back up.
4:41:51If the current's going with you going down, it won't go down much faster.
4:41:55But we will come back by helicopter, not by boat.
4:42:06Just set the departure time so that you arrive on time.
4:42:09Set the departure time and have the mobile run so that it runs two hour and then come back when you arrive.
4:42:16Set the departure time so that you get a two hour cruise and then come back when you arrive.
4:42:22We're going to check the sunset time and I think you have to leave at six o'clock.
4:42:28That's not bad.
4:42:29That gets you back early.
4:42:31Now, on the weekend, they got...
4:42:34The nursing home deal works out if you want to do it.
4:42:39It's clear that the one to do it is Nashville and that area is not Dover.
4:42:44The load is not in town.
4:42:46It won't be back until September.
4:42:48So there's no problem.
4:42:49You can land at the Manchester airport.
4:42:52You drive to Nashville.
4:42:53It's a 25 minute drive.
4:42:53You don't go to Manchester to get there.
4:42:57The problem with Dover is it's full of hippies.
4:43:00There's a big tourist gathering there and a lot of hippies.
4:43:03The nursing home is just one of the top 10% nursing homes in the country.
4:43:09It's clean, good people, about 200 beds.
4:43:11But they went in and looked at it and said it's a very depressing sight.
4:43:15There's a bedridden couple of patients, a lot of them are senile, some of them are on the verge of death.
4:43:25Like I hope for the variables is that it would be that kind of experience.
4:43:31And we would do it with no press.
4:43:34We would not let the press go in.
4:43:37And not a full man.
4:43:39Yeah, one.
4:43:40That's it.
4:43:41One.
4:43:41No reason.
4:43:42Never had no reason.
4:43:45I agree.
4:43:46Right.
4:43:47I don't know, maybe you still might see them.
4:43:49No, no, no, no.
4:43:50You can take pictures with other people.
4:43:53They're ready to die.
4:43:56You can take a picture outside.
4:43:56They get a picture outside.
4:43:58We let some people meet you.
4:43:59And I say that the staff there are very good and cheerful people and all that.
4:44:07The purpose is to announce your new...
4:44:10to follow up on your thing when you said you were going to do something about the nursing home.
4:44:14We've got a thing to do.
4:44:15And we didn't figure out how that would be.
4:44:18So I said, you brought me up.
4:44:20Why make me up there?
4:44:23I think you ought to do it on your own.
4:44:27Then I went into Bangor.
4:44:31And the thought there is to just have a crowd at the airport.
4:44:34Unless you want to do a receptionist thing, I think you do.
4:44:39I just let a big Saturday afternoon morning crowd at the airport.
4:44:42If you could get off the plane, do the events, we'd give it the enthusiastic thing there and I think you'd have to speak then.
4:44:50Don't give it any goddamn time for it.
4:44:53Okay.
4:44:53Well, I don't have time for it.
4:44:55Okay, but how do you avoid it there if you don't have a car?
4:44:59Or you don't have a car.
4:45:01You have a chopper.
4:45:02Alright, whatever.
4:45:04I think there you think it really is.
4:45:07It's small, not an arranged thing, you don't have any, we've got to go to market with you and that's all.
4:45:13The doctor wants us here.
4:45:15I don't need to swap with Joe Connery.
4:45:19From the blue, he said absolutely I should talk to her, not him.
4:45:23Talking to her, she would be very, not to have her, you know, but given us a boat, we have to borrow one to have.
4:45:30She never does.
4:45:31She's such a nice person.
4:45:33She's been up in my heart and strength.
4:45:36She's cross-bred.
4:45:39She's been quite good.
4:45:41And I wanted to do something in Bangor.
4:45:43We could.
4:45:43Or we could come back.
4:45:45Like on Monday, you have to come back.
4:45:47We can do the Bangor thing on Monday with Lydia.
4:45:52leadership perception in the morning or something.
4:45:55I just think you're better off not doing it.
4:45:58No, I don't.
4:45:59I want to go in and employ them.
4:46:00I'm stopping at Nashville for the purpose of nursing homes, and you're going to Maine for a vacation.
4:46:04I mean, not vacation, a weekend.
4:46:06That's good.
4:46:07Maine is a big tourist.
4:46:08That's your time to their tourist business.
4:46:10The New England tourist business is good.
4:46:13That's good.
4:46:16Okay.
4:46:18So what?
4:46:19I don't think it's necessary.
4:46:22By the way, you can't do it in a new hamster.
4:46:27That name just won't do any good.
4:46:31Oh, that's right.
4:46:33I think that's all right.
4:48:26Question of whether you want to have the speaker for breakfast on Friday.
4:48:30Just as a wrap-up, and because he's about to leave, you know, with his group on his tour, he's asked for White House guidance on this delegation retreat in Korea.
4:48:39I'm sure I've been in Taiwan a lot.
4:48:42Then we have the girl's station booth Friday morning.
4:48:47I wonder if you want to just take the speaker in with you to do that?
4:48:55No?
4:48:56Do it alone?
4:48:58No, sir.
4:48:59Okay.
4:48:59Okay.
4:49:008.30 for breakfast.
4:49:018.30 for lunch.
4:49:02Okay.
4:49:02The, uh...
4:49:08Another recommendation, of course, is that you have a wrap-up meeting with the big board, right?
4:49:15Just the board meeting.
4:49:17This would be the end of the session.
4:49:20I don't understand exactly what the purpose of it would be.
4:49:25It's just a planned strategy for accomplishments after the recess.
4:49:29That may be symbolic at the end of the session.
4:49:33Set it up, however.
4:49:35We really get it programmed so that they just don't come in without a man-fishing session.
4:49:41The stage is smaller.
4:49:41The stage is smaller.
4:49:42We include errands, errands and boy scouts.
4:49:47Well, Griffin will just do the marijuana.
4:49:51Can we get him in with a, make it a positive meeting?
4:49:56Do you agree?
4:50:14I've got the proposal on your Anchorman gathering, you know, the TV guys, the George Bush ones, you know, around the country.
4:50:21I think we ought to put it off until September now, but I don't think we ought to do it now.
4:50:25Is that all right?
4:50:27On a good time, I'm kind of trying.
4:50:31That gives them a chance to study a little more.
4:50:33And the other thing is, here's a possibility, if you want to hit the road on the week after next, do the Knights of Columbus Tuesday night in New York.
4:50:45Possible to remain overnight in New York.
4:50:48Leave the next morning for Springfield, Illinois, and do the Illinois State Fair.
4:50:54That's Governor's Day.
4:50:56And so, if you're going to do a state speech,
4:51:00I don't speak.
4:51:03No.
4:51:03No, we work it out on a presidential visit to the State Paralympic when you don't speak.
4:51:08Well, have you ever been to the State Paralympic?
4:51:11Yeah.
4:51:11Well, they have the goddamn Republican speakers and the Democrat speakers, and I'm not going to get into that.
4:51:15You go at a different time than that.
4:51:17You wouldn't go during the speaker time.
4:51:19And what do I do, just wander around the State Paralympic house?
4:51:22Yep.
4:51:56Another other possibility to make some stop in Pennsylvania or someplace out where we've been looking for a way to get into southern Illinois.
4:52:04All right, then it's a chance to get into Springfield.
4:52:09You need to have a lot of people to speak.
4:52:11Don't speak, man.
4:52:12Don't speak.
4:52:13There's no... Yeah, I...
4:52:15Let me see if it works on that.
4:52:16I'm sure you, I'm sure you understand, but you cannot go and stand outside and hear all the squealing and swelling and grass and make a speech at the state fair and then put your dish right down in a horrible position.
4:52:28If they do it that way, I can do it.
4:52:29Let me see if it works on that.
4:52:32Then the idea would be to go on to Dallas and overnight to Dallas.
4:52:38Or if you, I don't think you want to, but if you want to tie in your Apollo astronauts, you can go on to Houston.
4:52:44and do a follow-up routine that night.
4:52:50We can get that over with.
4:52:52I don't know, we'll grab something to have at dinner.
4:52:56No.
4:52:56No, I'm going to have it with all the people.
4:52:58I think that you're here.
4:52:59Well, I told my wife.
4:53:00I know.
4:53:00So that's that.
4:53:01No, I think the thing to do is to go to Dallas and work on my speech and get ready.
4:53:05Right, right.
4:53:05And then you speak the next morning.
4:53:07See what this busing thing and everything is going to have some problems in Dallas.
4:53:11No.
4:53:11I'm not sure you want to go and spend the night.
4:53:14It may be that you just better go to New York and just come back here.
4:53:19Go to Dallas, fly in to Dallas, do your speech and all that.
4:53:27I'm not trying to motorcade Dallas or anything else, just get in as quick as we can before you make the VFW speech and just bang into that.
4:53:36I think after the New York thing, the thing to do is to come back here and not go to the spring to the, you went to the fair.
4:53:46I don't think so.
4:53:49I think the best thing to do is to, I think the best thing to do is to go to
4:54:13It's a good idea to come back.
4:54:15I think the Springfield Fair is something that should be good.
4:54:20This isn't up to what we want to be doing.
4:54:23The President should be portioning around going to the State Fair.
4:54:28You agree on that?
4:54:30Right.
4:54:30That's a big facility to have.
4:54:33After Dallas, what do you think about taking us down to Yosemite?
4:54:41Because people are pushing when I don't mind, but I don't think it sounds very good.
4:54:44It's in the national parks.
4:54:45I think it's going to be a sticky weapon to get on.
4:54:54So I do think that they're having hippie drugs.
4:54:59I sure don't think they're going to get on.
4:55:02Don't go.
4:55:03Don't go.
4:55:03Don't go.
4:55:03There, too.
4:55:04There, too.
4:55:04There's no way to get around it.
4:55:05It's there in that small, stony valley.
4:55:08And the goddamn hippies will tear it up.
4:55:10They're crazy.
4:55:11You should point out the problems in the parts of the White House that you're assisting us with.
4:55:16Hold on.
4:55:18Hold on to that.
4:55:19I think they'll avoid California.
4:55:21All right, let's just go on from Dallas right up to San Clemente on Thursday.
4:55:24And then Friday, maybe you might do that on Melinda.
4:55:27Maybe you could have done a bench wedding Friday night.
4:55:34Yeah, I agree that all of it should be done.
4:55:37We ought to do it soon because it's, you know, it's sort of an out-of-the-wood kind of thing.
4:55:42Announce it and get out of it.
4:55:43Yeah, announce that we're going to do it and let's get it done.
4:55:47Okay.
4:55:47The State Fair appeals to me as a... they stopped in Illinois, at least it appeals to me.
4:55:52Is there any way to work the goddamn thing out?
4:55:54But you cannot speak at the State Fair.
4:55:58because it's just not a good bond to have outdoor speaking engagements, you understand?
4:56:06Sure.
4:56:06You know, uh, what are we, uh... Well, let me, let me...
4:56:11If you're interested at all, let me explore the, let me get some more detail.
4:56:14That's what I would like to hear.
4:56:15That's what I would like to hear.
4:56:19All right, well, we have to go to the State Fair.
4:56:23I don't want to go to Houston.
4:56:35I don't think going to Houston makes sense to have a production company here.
4:56:50Let's look around that area.
4:56:51Probably something like Wyoming or something.
4:56:54Something out in the west.
4:56:56Montana.
4:56:56That would be that.
4:57:02That's the other.
4:57:03You can do the national park.
4:57:03Go to the other park there, the Grand Teton's, which is a better setup.
4:57:07Wyoming or Montana.
4:57:08That's in Wyoming.
4:57:09That's in Wyoming.
4:57:10Yeah.
4:57:16Check to see if you do a park.
4:57:18It's been around there, hundreds of years.
4:57:21The problem in Montana there is that, being that we do it any time, we're just picking for no-no.
4:57:24We do it in the morning, in the afternoon, before it even comes in.
4:57:32Let me play with that.
4:57:33I don't know what you're talking about.
4:57:35See what I'm getting at?
4:57:37Sure.
4:57:37The mayor is fine, but otherwise, overnight in Dallas was not good.
4:57:39They had one hell of a crowd there.
4:57:42How the hell do we get in and out of the place without it?
4:57:45It would be something.
4:57:46Dallas would play too.
4:57:48I don't know what you're talking about.
4:57:50It may still.
4:57:51It may still be down there.
4:57:54It also may be worse.
4:57:57Yeah.
4:58:04I think that covers it pretty well.
4:58:07Now, do you think this weekend's a good idea?
4:58:10Sure.
4:58:11It's another shot in the country.
4:58:17It does New England.
4:58:18You've got to do it sometime.
4:58:19They're a lot better to do it in summer than in the winter.
4:58:23It's new Maine and New Hampshire.
4:58:28You've got Maine and New Hampshire done.
4:58:32You've got to get back to New Hampshire someday.
4:58:34This is an associated way to go in there instead of a political way.
4:58:37It's on the way to somewhere else.
4:58:38And if you went just up to New Hampshire, it would be obvious that that's what you were doing.
4:58:42You've done all the rest of it.
4:58:45You've done Massachusetts.
4:58:45Massachusetts.
4:58:47You've done Vermont.
4:58:48You've done New Orleans.
4:58:50You've done Rhode Island.
4:58:51You've done Connecticut.
4:58:53You've done Spanish.
4:58:54You've done Michigan.
4:59:06All right.
5:01:26in regard to this promosal resolution?
5:01:31No, I don't think it will come up, but I would say that I'll face it.
5:01:36I believe you stand by everything.
5:02:09I think that would be the best thing to say.
5:02:15Although that gives the impression that something is going on.
5:02:24I think there's a danger to sort of screw this.
5:02:38Because nowadays they have the impression that you use a good brand.
5:02:43Right.
5:02:43Free.
5:02:43Free, yes.
5:02:44All these days.
5:02:44All these days.
5:03:09Actually, you have had a strategy over this part of the year.
5:03:20With regard to Bruce, Paris, and 7th Point, should we say it with regard to the negotiations?
5:03:35We are still pursuing the negotiating channel.
5:03:37I don't know if you can tell us what is this.
5:03:40We are actively, shall I say, pursuing negotiations negotiations
5:04:11This is, when we service this, this is going to be about the other end of this, but they're trying to send us out.
5:04:19Why don't you answer the 7-4 when they find out that we have 9-4?
5:04:23From the other side, to the other side, and they told us to ignore the 7-4.
5:04:39uh, South Vietnamese elections.
5:04:41A month rather than people have tomorrow, I'm proud to assume that he will rule them.
5:04:47He will not win.
5:04:48He may have the support of the president, but on the other hand, you know, now the administration is very indecisive.
5:05:06I was just thinking about exuding all of that information that I had.
5:05:08It's pretty interesting to hear what other people are going to express themselves.
5:05:11How about the... Can I put it into detail so it's able to move on?
5:05:13Sure.
5:05:14What about the...
5:05:15I keep moving your lunch.
5:05:15I was going to mention pizza.
5:05:36Yeah, absolutely.
5:05:37Do we have 10% of the servers?
5:05:39That thing is our concern.
5:05:41We're concerned about it.
5:05:43Well, we are, but I'm not sure that we should continue with this thing.
5:05:52We can save it.
5:05:55We may want to do it.
5:05:58Yeah, that's a matter of consideration.
5:06:04that we have in consideration.
5:06:11In particular, when you say he's invited .
5:06:26Can we really say that we have no hard evidence whatsoever to indicate that he is an officer?
5:06:42I don't think he is.
5:06:50What if I had to make a draft?
5:06:53That is what would make it.
5:07:03Yes.
5:07:03Yes.
5:07:18And his master is still pregnant, you know?
5:07:22Well, his master comes with the reason.
5:07:26Well, Stennis, I was going to quote Stennis as it lay this afternoon.
5:07:30He still thinks there's a chance of passing the bill this week.
5:07:36And he thinks either the letter by you...
5:07:38would it be some statement that the president will give a give a letter in case they don't tell the president don't tell him we will get a statement
5:07:56is pulling into the country, putting him in office, just so that the President will give you a statement.
5:08:01And if I make it to the press conference, you'll get a drive-in ticket, you'll get a refuse ticket, you'll get a letter from the President.
5:08:12So you prepare the letter, you prepare the letter.
5:08:16Now, I want to thank the stand.
5:08:18I'm getting a full list of... You'll make me up a letter.
5:08:20I'll send the next one out.
5:08:25I think I may, uh, if I'm asked about the Pentagon papers, I think I'm going to be, uh, not more in sorrow than anger.
5:08:40I think I'm going to, I think I'm going to say, I'm going to say the one thing that could mean that, uh, Chappell was, uh,
5:08:54There are many political observers in the region, in the area, in Wisconsin, who have done investigations about how we got a new law, which we play no part in, rather than how we're getting out.
5:09:01And however, we had a larger issue, and we had to get it across to the Board of Governors, especially when we were not taking place, unless they had come to be secure, or were to be secure.
5:09:26As a matter of fact, they are coming out at a time when our very sensitive negotiations are going on with the U.S. and the Republic of China in search of counter-contracts and possible legal negotiations.
5:09:36I'm going to set it.
5:09:37Would you agree?
5:09:55That salt lake, we don't have it on the son of a bitch.
5:09:58I really think you've got a second.
5:10:03I'm not being critical of the present.
5:10:06The present has to begin with a different standard than we have for the present.
5:10:12The present standard has to begin with any news that we bring.
5:10:21Ours has to be news which might hurt the national security.
5:10:24It's not good.
5:10:26In between there, we have to find a basis as far as we're concerned.
5:10:32Uh, all this, uh, all this investigation, uh, points out that there's an necessity for the administration to do a more effective job of seeing that there are no insecurities.
5:10:45The press is not putting that in place.
5:10:48I think that, and also to make sure that we have an unproven classic file.
5:10:54I think that would be a generous thing to do.
5:10:57To make sure that they probably get anything.
5:11:00I would think we're going to get a question on this.
5:11:04It's a funny thing.
5:11:07Do you get any last minute?
5:11:10No.
5:11:10Now, if that's the month, I think I will indicate that we're aware, too, that we are, for example, in the Midwest, which is one of the
5:11:32On the war car, this is straight out of our position against them.
5:11:58When will we have this infant Japanese work out?
5:12:01Is it going to be worked out before the next year?
5:12:09Tell me about it.
5:12:09Well, I think they presented it to be announced.
5:12:13I'm not going to announce it.
5:12:16I mean, if it came out, let them announce it.
5:12:23Hold on.
5:12:23Hold on.
5:12:39Yeah, yeah.
5:12:39This Friday?
5:12:41Fine.
5:12:42Well, for Christ's sake, Billy Ray, just flush it.
5:12:46Well, for Christ's sake, no, I mean, no.
5:12:48No, no, no, no, no, no.
5:12:49Just tell him, no, I was only inviting him to come along.
5:12:53No, I'll invite Graham to come, and I'll give him the ride.
5:12:58Yes.
5:13:02Well, he's going to be in anyway.
5:13:04So what I would say on this is to say you can tell Graham that the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh,
5:13:32Fine, all right, we'll work it out.
5:13:33Get the list.
5:13:34All right, fine.
5:13:35Get the list.
5:13:36Get the meeting set up.
5:13:37The day that he comes, I would like to see him.
5:13:41And, well, I might take him on the support of myself.
5:13:45You know what I mean?
5:13:48With a couple other people.
5:13:50Instead, right?
5:13:52yeah yeah but if he's lying there we'll look we'll have to probably you know honestly support him but make it static say that the economists can't beat him because it's better to do that than one of them fair enough we'll still do the support and then the comments never do this again okay
5:14:32That's all.
5:14:33I thought we had already approved him, Chief.
5:14:38I signed something.
5:14:39Have you announced it?
5:14:42We don't want you to announce it this week.
5:14:46All right.
5:14:47Because, uh, all the environmentalists just let it dry.
5:14:49Let it happen.
5:14:51Because all the environmentalists... Yeah, yeah.
5:14:53That's too damn bad.
5:14:59You know, they bled over every goddamn atomic test that's been made.
5:15:02Oh, yeah.
5:15:02I should have picked up exactly the same thing last week.
5:15:06Fighting commands, though, they had their way.
5:15:08We have to appeal a case in Austin
5:16:10Okay.
5:16:13Fine, Eric.
5:16:14I'll call you.
5:16:15I don't think there's going to be more next time.
5:16:18Well, I'm just going to give them quick sharp answers and I'm getting them to get into anything.
5:16:26They don't need to know anything right now.
5:16:30I have a very, very plain statement, a very plain, spoken statement that we'd like to put out from here.
5:16:37I want you to know what was in it, basically, and Mitchell has listened to it and approved it.
5:16:44First, did you get Mitchells to, so that he will call the secretary chairman?
5:16:50Yes, sir.
5:16:51And we also have the amendment in preparation.
5:16:57Great.
5:16:58Richardson has acquiesced to it, Morgan is supervising it, and it will go to the Hill today.
5:17:03So that this statement says, I have today instructed the Secretary of AGW to draft and submit to the Congress today an amendment to the proposed Emergency School Assistance Act that will expressly prohibit the expenditure of any of those funds to the bus.
5:17:20Well, for busing, for the purpose of achieving racial equality.
5:17:23No, I've gone farther than that.
5:17:26And the reason is that there's a sneaker gimmick in this.
5:17:29They say, well, we're not busting for the purpose of achieving racial balance, but only to eliminate racially identifiable tools.
5:17:37Well, what the hell with that?
5:17:39It's the same thing.
5:17:40All right.
5:17:40Great.
5:17:41Oh, I just thought I probably had to be more reasonable.
5:17:43No, I don't think we can afford it.
5:17:44Great.
5:17:45We just hammered that out with Richardson, and she had a lot of blood.
5:17:49All right.
5:17:49So that's our quick cue.
5:17:50We'll go the long, the wide way.
5:17:52That's what we're saying.
5:17:54Yes, sir.
5:17:54And the rest of it says...
5:17:57that the Justice Department is filing a notice of appeal, that the Attorney General advised me he must appeal because of the plan of us children periodically for interracial experiences, that we are not appealing to impose the HEW plan.
5:18:15In the process of the appeal, the Justice Department will disavow that plan.
5:18:20Then it restates your position on busing, which is you're against busing.
5:18:24You will enforce the law to the extent that you must.
5:18:28But then you have instructed Justice and H.E.W.
5:18:31to work with school districts to eliminate busing to the maximum extent possible.
5:18:35Well, John, it's the right decision.
5:18:36And we'll go over that in a minute.
5:18:39I don't know if it is enough to satisfy the school district, but there are other ways not to go so far as ATW.
5:18:47Am I wrong or not?
5:18:48No, you're right.
5:18:49You're right.
5:18:50And if I'm wrong, I don't want to make people do it.
5:18:53Did you find out what the Atlanta got to make people do it?
5:18:57Well, who the hell is down there doing this?
5:18:59We ran into it.
5:19:00We got into a big argument with Mr. Bridges, who says, you know, my people are all right.
5:19:05And Morgan, who said, Mr. Secretary, you know what's going on in your own department.
5:19:09You've got guys in there you should fire.
5:19:11And finally, I said, well, if you tell me who they are, I'm going to work on it.
5:19:15And I said, out of Dallas, man, it's got to be handled here in the home office.
5:19:19And they told me something that I didn't know about in Dallas.
5:19:21We're not in the Dallas area.
5:19:24And that's a case between the Inc. Funds and the NAACP and the Dallas School District.
5:19:28The federal government isn't even in it.
5:19:31And there was a ruling in that case yesterday that crazed it to the effect that in Dallas, the district judge down there held that black kids get a day off every week from school.
5:19:43They have a four-day school week in black schools and they go to a white school one day a week.
5:19:49It's just ridiculous, ridiculous.
5:19:51So, the NAACP will appeal that.
5:19:53We're not in it.
5:19:53I propose we don't intervene.
5:19:55We should stay the hell away from it.
5:20:00No, no, no, no.
5:20:01But they seem to have to intervene in order to get control of it.
5:20:04But I think we should stay as far away from that thing as we can.
5:20:11As parents versus school, isn't it?
5:20:22He's a good man, but he knows how strong my feelings are.
5:20:29And also, Elliot's got to know his working.
5:20:35Let him go down there and get bloody done.
5:20:37We just have had a very good session, which I said, look, we can all be southern chairmen.
5:20:40There after all, this is a big signal that we have deep political problems, and it isn't going to go away.
5:20:46We've got to solve them.
5:20:47And this is where we're going to solve them.
5:20:50So he's a boy.
5:20:51All right.
5:20:55Well, you know the idea, John.
5:21:00We've had to discuss it.
5:21:13And I'll bet you what happens is he comes right over here to the Democratic campaign and supports him.
5:21:41Do you think he would?
5:21:42I think so.
5:21:42I must guess by a hundred.
5:21:44By a hundred.
5:21:45That it'll be, that they're currently running so deep at that time, and particularly if Connelly is in the race, so that Texas is... Maybe John.
5:21:54Maybe John.
5:22:03is that if you do it sooner, then you're in every damn school to attend all the next summer.
5:22:08Well, and we're in legislatures, and the issue of ratification is up, and it's just a big problem.
5:22:13And keep it out of the convention.
5:22:16We can put a bussing plank in our platform that is right along this line.
5:22:29Well, I wouldn't be surprised.
5:22:31We may get some form right out, but by then we should have developed enough in the way of polling information that you'd be able to persuade everybody to change that.
5:22:40Now, if I had a question on this tomorrow, I'm going to turn it over to you.
5:22:43I'm going to turn it over to you.
5:22:47Nevertheless, if you want to do, I'm going to turn it over to you.
5:22:51Yes, it is consistent with the law.
5:22:53Yes, it is.
5:22:55The court does not require busing, correct?
5:22:59Does it?
5:22:59No.
5:22:59In fact, it doesn't require racial violence, does it?
5:23:02It does.
5:23:02Yes, it does require racial violence in the sense of the elimination of racially-adopted schools.
5:23:10Now, it says busing may be
5:23:15certain appropriate circumstances.
5:23:17One way to achieve that end, but it does not require question.
5:23:22That's the way all that stuff will not be, and I think it was good.
5:23:27Well, let me read you this, because I think it's about...
5:23:29I've heard what you do, John, but I didn't mean to send it over.
5:23:34All right.
5:23:35All right.
5:23:35We've got some other Q&A to send to you on this general subject, too.
5:23:39Not too much, because I don't want to study too much, but I don't have the time.
5:23:42All right.
5:23:48How did Joyce get him into discussions?
5:23:49Did they have him speak?
5:23:51Did he contribute?
5:23:52Oh, very much so.
5:23:52Of course, this is home territory to him.
5:23:54He knows the names of the great ones.
5:23:56I mean, we would never have won Lockheed without him.
5:23:58I'm sure of that.
5:24:00He played with Amanda, and Arne, and Kristen came on.
5:24:03He was a master of them all.
5:24:07We wouldn't have won him.
5:24:07I'm convinced that we would have had him say, a year ago, we would have probably won H. Roy.
5:24:20He just said, I don't know, he said, this guy wants something from the Treasury, and I'm holding it up.
5:24:26He just played with fishes.
5:24:28Well, and he got some of the other departments entered, too.
5:24:29He had Marlow Cook hung up on some housing deal he wanted, and he had Peter Flanagan play Cook very well, you know, during the time.
5:24:35It was really something.

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