Nixon, Haldeman & MacGregor on Lockheed loan guarantee and Busing

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Oh, John said he'd pen me.

The Texas School of Things at 8, 15, 11 o'clock.

Yeah, I guess they were up there.

Well, I tried to reach John at the time, but he wasn't there.

He called me up.

Hello?

Well, I hope you're getting some sleep after your long sessions over the weekend.

Yeah, and I want to tell you that I'm pleased that they didn't have the stoppage.

What I realize is that it's one of those things where all the stockpiles were filled up and everything, and there were some arguments as to whether or not there was a difference, but I think the psychology of the country would have been badly affected by a steel stoppage at this point.

Well, and also, the lines harden when you really come down to it.

Like, if you came down to the line of dollars, you're about one and a half percent apart, and so on.

So, when I do want to think like that, is it going to get better by strike?

The problem is, it'll probably get worse.

My experience with 59 is that the longer the strike went on, the more the boys had to have.

Yeah.

Because you see, as I understand it, and I'm sure, of course, you know far better than I do, if I were represented in a union, and I took the 40,000 strike, I could never settle for what appeared to be what you could have gotten before they went out.

You've got to ask to have more to pay for that strike.

All right.

Well, I hope everything goes well.

Yeah, right, right.

We, of course, are going to be looking very, very, naturally, as you will, we'll be looking at that productivity thing, hoping that we'll, I know you, I'm glad you did set up a committee on that, and I know you can work on that, and of course, we'll try to look at the forum and see what help we can get.

Well, we're going to have a meeting in September, you know, and your industry is so important to us that I would appreciate it if you could do it.

If you feel any kind of mind problem with some of them, we'll help you let me know, and I'll be glad to get you in.

And incidentally, I'll talk the same way to management.

You can be sure it's going to be even-ended.

Kurt Gauntz, yeah.

He's a good fellow, you know, I've known him for 25 years.

Yeah, yeah.

Do you like him?

Good, good.

Good.

Well, they... Good, good.

Aren't the men pretty?

I noticed the news summary this morning indicated that the Ring, by the way, they were pretty, well, some perhaps wanted them, but most of those were regretting that strike, and I'm asking particularly their wives as well.

Great.

Well, we're glad we made somebody happy.

I'll remember that.

I'll remember.

That's great.

Let's make a feature of that sometime.

Good.

Well, we'll see you in September, if not summer.

It's very important that this guy works from home.

McGregor, please.

I'm trying to reach McGregor last night.

I just couldn't go down the list.

What is your list, Nicole?

I think little notes on that might give you an idea, you know.

For example,

I know this was when I know a lot of people...

Yeah.

I tried to reach you last night.

You were in New York.

They said you were going to a play or a theater or something.

But I just thought that was a great victory.

Did you take off right afterwards or did you take off earlier?

Yeah.

Right.

I tell you, when you win one, you win them big, don't you?

That's right.

Landslide McGregor.

Yeah, yeah, well, it was great.

I'm sending little notes to various people, to John Tower, to Caleb Fogg.

You know, the old Caleb and Ralph came through.

That was critical.

And how about Cook?

Yeah, I wrote both.

I'm writing a cover.

How about Cook?

She did one.

Yeah, yeah, okay.

Well, anyway, one other thing.

You know, yours and mine, dear friend Pete Dominick, can't you get him to sort of pipe down a little?

I mean, you know, the guy, of course, on the China thing, virtually every time he turns around, he comes up with something quite negative.

And after all, he is the campaign chairman.

I don't mind him voting against Lockheed.

I understand that.

And he wins.

But, you know, look at our leaders, our great leaders.

We lost Crick.

We lost him.

We lost Aiken.

Good job.

We lost Margaret Smith.

Yeah.

Right, right.

What...

I don't... Is there anything we can do for him?

I mean, I don't know.

You know, Henry's probably talking about the thing that, if he really thinks it's true, I'm trying to think about it.

It's a smart, it's not only smart, but it's right.

And, uh, don't you agree?

Yeah.

Yeah, because basically we're fighting to keep Taiwan in.

If we weren't doing that, they'd be out on their ass right now.

Yeah.

Good.

Well, when he gets back, I'm like, gee, say a few positive things.

He is a Senate candidate.

Okay.

Well, you did a great job, all your team, including all my colleagues.

And are there any other notes that you've written?

I don't want to write too many because it's the cheapest of currency, but I will write a follow-up to those.

Good.

Yeah.

I called several, but the only one that came true was Caleb, and he came true because Rob came true.

Yes.

Right.

Okay.

If you paid it, we got to give them that effective chemical, I understand.

But I'll vote.

I'll vote.

I believe in keeping my bargain.

Okay.

And that's it.

My vote's up.

Here's my vote.

On all accounts, you're a decisive vote.

I want you to know how grateful I am.

I think this is part of what I have been doing.

I did on some others where I wrote everybody's book before me.

What do you think?

Is that meant to believe us, Chief?

Well, most of them didn't vote for you.

Some of these people voted because you put the, you know, a lot of other voters, they had to vote.

Gambrel voted for Lockheed, not for you, and voted for Lockheed.

Well, the other thing, too, is the idea of caring for...

I called somebody, sometimes I don't call, and it's been an idea as well, but I should agree to go forward and call that woman.

Look where, yeah, I did her in 69.

Well, I'd like to do it.

Okay.

Poor John's still at Schultz.

Well, I just got to give everybody an understanding.

I told Schultz that the regional director has to go.

And I understand he did his thing.

Sorry?

Yeah, Morgan has several people I think that they could work on.

I think part of the problem is we kicked some people out of Atlanta last year, and a couple of them ended up in Austin this year.

They're the same people doing the same thing again.

I assume you're not going to have a press conference on Monday, right?

No, I'm not.

You are going to.

I think I might as well get it done with Bob out of here.

Right, to say that he might want to put it up, because there's some brussel out that you're going to have on your head.

And that will turn up.

But who in the hell will put it up?

I don't know.

There are a lot of people.

Probably there might be one in Canada, since he's doing checking with people and stuff.

He might get up.

What he's suggesting is that what you might want to do is have it at 11 in the morning, or 12, or something like that, instead of at 3, which is when they're expecting.

We could then throw them off as far as getting the here regulars in.

The disadvantage in any office is we get too many people.

Well, not too many.

Well, you get the wrong people.

You get Mary McGraw and all those people instead of a regular reporter.

And also, also, they have a chance of having a pair of owners.

That they may do anyway if they're expecting one at the end of the day.

I'll be contacting you.

I don't want to get it off until after that.

I don't want to put it off until after that.

I figured they will be where they are

What he's suggesting is that what you might want to do is have it at 11 in the morning, or 12, or something like that, instead of at 3, which is when they're expecting.

We can then throw them off as far as getting the here regulars in.

I think the disadvantage in any office is we get too many people.

Well, not even too many.

Well, you get the wrong people.

You get Mary McGrory and all those people instead of a regular reporter.

Yeah.

And also, also, they have a chance to .

That they may do anyway if they're expecting one at the end of the day.

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difficult i don't want to get it off until after that i don't want to put it off figure that they will be where they are i just figure i've got to do it

My wife would say to her, wait a minute, why didn't you say to her you were not supposed to do this?

How would that throw them off?

If the president was going to be in charge of his daughter's life, you know what I mean?

Then he wouldn't understand.

You're going to have to announce it.

No.

You're going to have to put it up.

That's true.

Yeah.

I wonder what our, I understand, I just want to hear a little comment from you on that.

What is the latest on it?

He told me that, you know, we're not going to attempt to strut it.

Let it go.

What's the, what about the date?

If you let him get out the story, we're going to put that out or not put that out.

Uh, Obama.

That's right.

All right.

Would you, uh...

I bet you we'll call them and tell them that the president is, uh...

Now, on that score, is the appeal right over there?

For Christ's sakes, the time's elation.

They're not going to be making their statements about whether they're going to make these calls next week or next year.

The hallowen is not calling.

It's calling.

If you could, John, I know you were here at a meeting, but would you call Metro and do a personal follow-up?

Metro must make these calls and pick the ones that are likely to pop off the sub.

The Texas chairman first, Mississippi chairman second.

I don't know which one you want me to follow.

No?

How about the Texas chairman?

Edward, what?

So what is Metro going to tell us?

Metro will tell us that first we are aghast busting, waiting on a hand to break.

Is he going to tell us that as far as this plan is concerned, that we repudiate the KVW plan?

If we repudiate the KVW plan, then both of us will be repudiated.

I understand the other scheme that George has with regard to another proposal without busting the income on the market.

Now, Connelly, of course, says it would be great to be in Dallas.

Now, in Dallas, we have got to get over that.

We've got to get over the goddamn thing right now.

And everybody will come to Dallas.

Yeah.

Well, I think that perhaps all of the issues

All right, all right.

We must, they must understand that those HWUs are not due to balance.

That is the end.

And let's start fighting it publicly, though.

You still feel that you have to deal with it.

There's no way, I was thinking about the possibility of .

I guess we should know whether .

because they'll have the same plan.

But just so we understand how strong I feel about, it must have been, I want to fight foul warfare, any way there is, and I want to fight, and as many times as I can, I wouldn't veto that, it wasn't, I'll veto it.

I tried it for years.

But let me say, still put in the amendment, though.

And then I don't think you get a vote.

to come again.

That's good.

I like that.

I like to work on that strategy.

And I suggest this.

And we believe, who I understand, probably today, something should be made.

We are, and I support

Well, why don't we just get the motion to work, get the amendment, get the hell out of Congress, rather than making a statement.

Great.

If you get the amendment, that would be better.

Oh, I know they're going to make a statement at the court in Moscow.

You said we have to defend them.

So rather than making a statement, you have to say, I understand that you're going to defend them.

You have to do many words of consideration.

That's why you have to do it in the form of law.

Well, why don't you call Xavier in the phone and see what he says?

There's no great concern.

You just think you're going to have too many crowds.

Well, I don't know why they can't.

These guys can't keep their mouths shut about this.

They have to go tell the press.

That's what I've got to add.

I'm not saying it gets to the press.

It doesn't need to get to the press, but when it's out, it's been...

bouncing past the start of the vote and then cancel it and start another one.

As soon as you pull up over here, they start suspecting.

They ask, any time you spend any time over here, they ask, I will probably get out of town.

You were with them yesterday, and they told you it's going to be you.

We put those out today.

Wait.

You said you wanted to go earlier in the day.

You might just rather relax and go to work.

I mean, I need the time.

I want you to want to get there.

And, uh, I don't know, just, if you could call us and ask if you're out there and I'd like you to go to work.

Why don't you call in and ask me what the situation is?

I want to know if I have to go in.

The charge is three.

Three.

Three thirty is up there.

It's not like three.

You can be around different places.

How about just making it two thirty?

I didn't expect it to be four o'clock.

He says three.

We put everything out.

But we didn't plan to do it at 3 a.m. tonight.

That's a funny time that I had.

We didn't have to go to New York.

Or maybe he's just making...

I'm not going to tell anybody.

We have nobody in the library.

Not Ron, not Buchanan, not anybody else sitting here prepared about that.

There's no reason to have these leaks.

We can get Buchanan.

We don't have to tell Buchanan when the press conference is.

We just don't want the bookings to be read.

and they may not have any idea that there's a time.

Well, it is much better without it.

A lot of the bacteria come in, you know, and it clutters up the room.

The garbage is just too big a crowd.

What's your impression on the Texas group?

I can't just like you and I became a popular leader.

And as I kept saying, we have to, isn't there some other way to go ahead and benefit?

We've got to come up with some things.

What it boils down to is that you don't have to appeal.

That's better to do it now and get it done.

It's better to do it in Austin than in Dallas.

the same problems as Dallas and Houston, of course.

Oh.

Ron, I'm trying to press up here about the press conference, saying that your point that you've had some questions on whether it's going to be one time.

We moved it to 2.30 or something like that.

Did it an odd time with that 2.40, 2 o'clock?

Yeah, we called.

I mean, it wouldn't be anybody here, but you'd have the wires and some...

if you call out.

So you need to do it at a regular briefing time.

What is the briefing time?

11?

11 or 4?

Well, I'm on 3.

Well, what about doing it at 3?

If you start to call out, is that it?

What about going to the pick pool?

You can do it at 1130 or 12.

You can do it at 12, you can just stall them while you're braking.

That wake will follow the same.

You can do it at 12.

Jerry went out at 11.30.

They said, I'm waiting for you anyway.

He went out at 11.30 and said, Ron will be with you in a few minutes.

He's tied up.

You can go out a little before 12 and say the president's going to brief you.

Come on in and don't ask me.

That will work now.

Okay.

Don't do anything about it.

That's, what is it, what about three o'clock?

Now what about three o'clock?

Three o'clock you say the bank is, you got to call them.

Yeah.

And if you said ahead of time we're going to brief at three o'clock, then they, they all turn up.

Yeah.

All right, how about, how about saying ahead of time?

Wait a minute, I have a present in front of you.

Go ahead.

Just, then you put on that, that kind of, you're only putting it on for three hours, okay?

Until 11 o'clock.

What about if you're 11 o'clock in the evening saying, I'm going to leave the tree this afternoon because the president will be leaving at 4 from New York?

For dinner with his daughter.

Do you think he needs to do a lot of testing?

very good he says

But it isn't, they're not as, they didn't have any time.

They just haven't been, the word is out there's gonna be a press conference tomorrow among a few people.

It's not super widespread, but there's enough people asking about it.

And anything he does out of the ordinary is gonna, as he said, spoke up for him.

And what he's concerned about is getting .

He says he can stall until at the latest 12 o'clock, or a little 30 would be better.

But without getting anybody stirred up, because that's a very frequent happening.

He'll do it in the morning.

But if he tries to juggle the afternoon, then he'll either not get anybody or he'll get everybody.

You're going to get none or too many.

You're going to get what you're looking for.

So it'll go through like 34 minutes.

I'd like to say how I like to go over all the scientific stuff that we've got here, but in the current one case, it's not the use of government or anything like that.

It's not the use of government.

I'm not thinking that we're going to be handling the campus side of it, but we've got to make sure that it's not the use of government.

But you said there's a weight in the memorandum for more and the memorandum for scalability and so forth in regards to there.

you know, and the sapphires and whatnot and so forth.

I forgot to tell you the other time, I want you to hand it to Dave Gilchrist now, and I'm going to look for him and call out to him and tell you all the street, I just don't want to grieve about it that long.

And you know, this gets my mind all wrong, but you know, I have to do the main thing, and like I said, the angry stuff, and you know, and get me what you need out of it, and this is the summer, I mean, like, maybe this is the winter week.

That's new summary we definitely want.

Would you not agree?

Yeah, because it gives you more of an overview of the data.

It's infinitely better than the ones that you get day by day.

Maybe that's too much oriented toward written price.

Well, it is to some extent because there's less...

So get told you can't drag, but I won't.

The other thing that I need is a better statement on the positive side of the economy.

He hasn't cracked it in a very long time.

I'm going to do this.

Thank you.

Now, let's look at economic policies.

The fact is that economic policies are quite expensive.

There's a lot of ones that are cool.

The economy is rising.

Economic policies are becoming more and more catchy.

It's all very strong.

Well, I get it.

That's just the spiral.

He loves that, doesn't he?

Vice President.

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That is not the problem.

The problem is that any sophisticate that's been around the goddamn place knows that when I traveled abroad, when I was vice president, I did all of them.

And they've made that public.

Has anybody voted?

See the magazines.

That's what they've been doing.

That's how they're shacking the vice president.

They pointed out what I did.

They never did when I did it, Pastor, but they are now.

But they are now.

Their line is that you went, they talked about the things that you did, going outside, talking to people and all that, and they talked about your memorable trips to Kitchen, to Bates, to Caracas, and they talked about it for a big highlight, but they said it wasn't just those, it was also that on all trips, he always went out and talked to people, and he and Mrs. Nixon went to these very places, and they...

They're not in college.

It's working.

Yeah, they're actually, they're patting demons.

Well, not really.

You can't pat your work daughter ass off, but they're playing more than what they've ever played before because by building you, they make him look bad, which they're trying to do.

It's one of those vice parts.

Well, sure.

Sure.

He likes to sit, like he enjoyed sitting in that meeting with Texas as well.

At least it looked to me like he was, he likes to be in that.

Now, your information, we're not going to be able to write it down to the Senate.

This is going to require iron fist, but we're not going to do it.

We're not going to do it that way.

It's still up here.

We're not going to do it yet.

You know, we're going to apply this to the Department.

We have this kind of media, another variety of media, and one of the most important, they can't get rid of it.

The second point is that it would seem to me, it would seem totally irresponsible to submit to the Congress today the adjournment of the program of this and our decision.

The third, it appears to be panicking, and so I think it's critical for all of us to abide by the Constitution.

Well, also, and I just wrote about it, and I'm not going to miss it, and I'm going to miss it, and I'm going to miss it.

Also, it puts you, if you do it now, it's going to get lost.

In other words, you throw it out there, have the Congress adjourns, you know, summer, and everybody's going to have to pick it up.

If you do it on the 8th, it puts you, the day the Congress gets back, ready to start kicking around again, all of a sudden, you just drop the bomb on them.

And there they are, sitting in the back for their session, and you're on top of it, studying that night.

That, that strategically worked out, it seems to me, in a hell of a lot of ways.

Hi, Henry.

Well, there's no one here to talk to you today.

Uh, your mom, are you sure?

Yeah, I think that's the point.

I don't know about you.

Good job.

That's good.

The chairman, too?

One thing we need to get, I mean, a number of schedules.

All right, so one of them is the question of the Japanese member.

The problem is that he wants to land in Alaska at 11 o'clock Sunday night instead of at midday Monday.

And the question is whether we want to do that.

I couldn't possibly do that unless I were a Californian.

It has to be Californian in every region.

Well, to me, it's too exhausting to do that.

I don't mind exhaustion, but I have to, at a certain time, I have to find the air currents that are going to meet the air currents, and it's not going to last forever.

That's the thing.

Unless I was in California.

The logistical question was bothering Henry, which is 11 o'clock, that's 11 o'clock Alaska time, which would be 1 a.m. California time.

4 a.m. Yeah.

And then you finish the meeting at, say, 1 o'clock, Alaska time.

It'll be 6 a.m. Eastern time.

Then you've got an 8-hour flight.

I've checked it with them.

On the way back, you can get up at 7, 6 and a half, 7 o'clock.

So you can get back here at 1 o'clock in the afternoon on Monday.

No, the South American for us, the energy is not until Tuesday.

So it would be, in some ways, it's not as bad as doing it on Monday.

All of them, if you had them meeting Monday at the time, we originally had you be back here by about 1 o'clock, 1 a.m. After the improvement of the central area.

I'd be back on this Monday.

You'd be back on this Monday.

So Henry's question is, how can we negotiate now with the Japanese?

We can push for a Monday morning, Mr. President.

As long as we know that it worst comes to worst, we will do it Sunday night.

What we're trying to avoid, we said that Jeff said if he asked, he had to change his schedule and that he wouldn't.

Alright.

Where can we be, Bob, on how can I find a hotel that's just in New California, close to Dayton?

We can do something there.

Can we find out something that I could be doing in Sherbrooke?

Or maybe that's something in Northwest, you know, we've got to do it in Portland.

That's what we do, our Midwest, our Western media briefing we've got to do someday.

And let's get that over with in Portland.

Portland.

I almost said we can't do a media briefing on a Sunday.

No, I meant, God damn you, you're freaking me out.

Maybe do it on a Saturday.

I think you could.

Yeah.

I don't think you could.

Football.

Yes.

I don't think you could.

It's not a problem.

I don't think you could miss one football.

Well, they're going to be nervous.

Yeah.

Every single game is going to be a problem.

How about if we meet here on Saturday?

And then spend the night working, right?

Yeah, on Saturday.

What?

On Sunday.

Yeah.

We can't meet.

What the hell?

It's going to be Sunday.

Yeah.

Unless we go visit a national park or something.

Well, that might not be happening.

We've got a 10-day period in Los Angeles.

We haven't had a wedding in a very long time without them.

Or we can hit Portland on the way out and have them go down to L.A. for the weekend and go up to Alaska.

Or I'd have to meet you briefly in L.A., that's fine.

I didn't have to meet you briefly in L.A., that's alright.

Then we can talk in the health community department.

We hope to meet you.

Unless we want to try to get all of them into the state, or into Washington.

Unless we have to work that out right now,

.

I'd like to do that, and you can do that by just flying in to San Francisco, doing a briefing on Friday, and then on down to San Clemente, and spend the weekend.

If I could make a stop somewhere, maybe on the way out also.

Maybe not, uh, maybe if I could do it, we could do something on Sunday night, or Sunday, or maybe it's on Sunday afternoon, or, you know, Sunday, stop in Fort Lauderdale, or either Washington, or, you know, on the way up, you will actually, or, uh, so, the way back to Washington.

But, if you're coming back to Washington, you don't want to do it on the move, right?

I could just do not fool around.

Let's do it 11-5 tonight.

Why don't you think so?

Well, I said to him, you can't worry about the time.

Maybe he's excited and all that, but he thought there's something that makes any difference to you.

No, it's a little bit similar.

I think it's like, hello, nice to meet you.

He's coming at 11 o'clock.

Well, I said, well, you spend an hour.

What would you do?

Well, two hours.

Well, if you do it at 11 o'clock.

Well, if it was 10 o'clock, isn't it?

I think it's going to be there.

I found out about it.

I think, frankly, there's something to be said.

Either one.

I would leave it to them.

So I would be glad to come up that night and be glad to see you the next morning.

That's the most great way.

And then it's up to you, either one.

It's your option.

It can't be after, well, they won't want it after.

It can't be after noon on Sunday.

It's

Also, on the Japs, we have the question of whether you would receive a courtesy call from the Prince and Princess.

And this is Hitachi, who is the younger brother of the Crown Prince.

And they're going to be in Washington September 14th and 15th, and they visit the Man House in New York, which is John Rockefeller's.

And he actually would be just going to fight with it.

He's going to buy it and pay her respects.

That would happen.

She didn't have it with me.

No, she didn't have it with me.

What advantage would the anchorage have in addition to the mileage that takes us into the town?

I've been in Japanese before the test.

I've also been in Chinese.

I think they might just as well speak it again.

And I'm going to do this out loud.

And I'm going to explain to our friends who are sounding great, and I'm going to speak the Kaimanese, and so forth and so on.

I don't know if the rest of you can hear.

On the Sequoia thing, it's a three-hour run from Mount Vernon up.

But if you want to do the month, you read up.

A father can't read.

It's not six hours.

It's not the proper five hours.

You're going against the current.

It's just a little over an hour and 15, 20 minutes going down and three hours coming back.

Twice as long coming up as it's going down.

Now, sunset is 815.

I think what you better do, unless you want to do the three hours,

is to get aboard at 6 o'clock and cool us down and you can have the honors and get off of Mount Vernon to come back up.

If the current's going with you going down, we won't build that much magic.

But we will come back by helicopter, not by boat.

Just set the departure time so that you arrive at the right time.

Set the departure time and have the mobile run so that it runs 2 hours and then come back when you arrive.

When the departure time is 2 hours, the mobile will come back when you arrive.

We're going to check the sunset time.

I think you have to leave at 6 o'clock.

That's not bad.

Now, on the weekend, they got...

The nursing home deal works out if you want to do it.

It's clear that you want to do this nationally and that area is not over.

The load is not in town.

It won't be back until September.

So there's no problem.

You plan a Manchester airport, you drive to Nashville, it's a 25 minute drive.

You don't go to Manchester to get there.

The problem with Dover is it's full of hippies.

There's a big tourist gathering there and a lot of hippies.

The nursing home is just one of the top 10% nursing homes in the country.

It's clean, good people, about 200 beds.

But they went in and looked at it and said it's a very depressing sight.

There's bedridden, helpless patients.

A lot of them are senile.

Some of them are on the verge of death.

Like I hope for the variables that say it would be that kind of experience.

And we would do it with no press.

We would not let the press go in.

And not a full man.

Yeah, one.

That's it.

One.

No reason.

Never had no reason.

I agree.

Right.

I don't know, maybe you still might see them.

No, no, no.

You can't take pictures right with people.

They're ready to die.

You can take a picture outside.

If you get a picture outside, we let some people meet you.

I say the staff there are very good and cheerful people and all that.

The purpose is to announce your new...

to follow up on your thing where you said you were going to do something about the nursing home.

So we've got a thing to do.

Yeah, but I didn't think it would have anything to do with it.

So I said, you brought me up.

Why make me up there?

I don't know.

I think you are.

Then, uh, going into Bangor, and the thought there is to just have a crowd at the airport, let it go at that, unless you want to do a reception in the meantime, you can do, I don't know, I just want a big Saturday afternoon crowd, or Saturday morning crowd at the airport, and you get off the plane, do the fence, we'd get an enthusiastic thing there, and I think you'd have to speak then.

You don't get any goddamn platform, okay?

Okay, but how do you avoid it there if you don't have a car?

I think there you think it's really a small, not an arranged thing.

You don't have any, you've got a market with you and that's all.

No, sir.

He said, absolutely, I should talk to her, not him.

I think she would be very, not to have her, you know, but given us a vote, yeah, I don't want to have her.

She never does.

She's such a nice person.

She's enough on the market strength.

She's possible to go strong.

We've had quite a good relationship.

If you wanted to do something in Bangor, you could.

Or we could come back.

But on Monday, you have to come back and we can do the Bangor thing on Monday with the leadership reception.

I just think you're better off not doing it.

No, I don't want to do anything political.

I'm stopping in Nashville for the purpose of nursing homes.

And you're going to Bain for a vacation?

I mean, not a vacation, a weekend.

A weekend.

And that's good.

Maine is a big tourist.

That's your time to their tourist business, the New England tourist business, which is good.

Okay.

So what?

I don't think it's necessary.

I agree.

Sir, particularly not in New Hampshire.

You can't do it in New Hampshire.

That means it won't be any good.

Oh, that's right.

We're just going to Maine.

So we can't do it in the downtown state.

Okay.

Very good.

I think that's all right.

Question of whether you want to have the speaker for breakfast on Friday.

Just as a wrap-up, and because he's about to leave, you know, with his group on his tour, he's asked for White House guidance on this delegation to trade in Korea.

I'm sure I can file on time.

Then we have the girl station booth.

Right now, I'm wondering if you want to just take the speaker in with you to do that?

No.

Do it alone.

No, sir.

Okay.

830 for breakfast.

830.

Okay.

The, uh...

Another recommendation, of course, is that you have a wrap-up meeting with the big board, right?

Just the board meeting.

This would be the end of the session.

I don't understand exactly what the purpose of it would be.

It's just a planned strategy for accomplishments after a three-sentence meeting.

It may be symbolic.

You met with the committee at the end of the session.

Set it up, but it requires a bit of time, however.

to really get it programmed so the flavors don't come in without man-pitching sessions.

The stage four, the stage four will include errands, errands for Scott Griffin, Jesus Christ, well, Griffin will just do the marijuana.

Can we get him in with a, make it a positive meeting?

Do you agree?

I've got the proposal on your anchorman gathering, the TV guys, the George Bush ones around the country.

I think we ought to put it off until September now.

I don't think you ought to do it now.

Is that all right?

Not a good time.

That gives them a chance to study a little more.

And the other thing is, here's a possibility, if you want to hit the road on the week after next, do the Knights of Columbus Tuesday night in New York.

It's possible to remain overnight in New York, leave the next morning for Springfield, Illinois, and then the open Illinois State Fair.

That's the best governor's day.

And if you're going to do a state speech,

Have you speak?

No.

No, we work it out on a presidential visit to the State Paralympic when you don't speak.

Well, have you ever been to the State Paralympic?

Yeah.

Well, they have the goddamn Republican speakers and the Democratic speakers, and I'm not going to get into that.

You'd go at a different time than that.

You wouldn't go during the speaker time.

And what do I do, just wander around the State Paralympic in cows?

Yep.

I don't know.

Another other possibility to make some stuff in Pennsylvania or someplace else, but we've been looking for a way to get into Southern Illinois.

All right, then it's a chance to get into Springfield.

You need a hell of a lot of people to speak.

Don't speak.

There's no...

Let me see if it works on that.

I'm sure you understand about it.

You cannot go and stand outside and hear all the squealing and swelling and grass and make a speech at the state fair and then put your dish right down in a horrible position.

That's right.

If they do it that way, I can do it.

Let me see if it works on that.

Then you have your vehicle on to Dallas and overnight to Dallas.

Or if you, I don't think you want to, but if you want to tie in your Apollo astronauts, you can go on and use them.

and do the follow, do a follow 15 that time.

We're gonna get that over with.

I don't know, grab something to have at dinner.

No.

No, I'm going to have with all the people.

I think that you're here.

Well, I told my wife.

I know.

So that's that.

No, I think the thing to do is to go to Dallas and work on my speech in here, right?

Right, right, right.

And then you speak the next morning.

See, with this busing thing and everything, you're going to have some problems in Dallas.

I know.

That's why I'm not sure you want to go and spend the night.

It may be that you just better go to New York and just come back here.

Go to Dallas while you're in Dallas, do your speech and all that.

I think after the New York thing, the thing to do is to come back here and not go to Springfield.

You went through the fair.

I don't think so.

I think the best thing to do is, I think the best thing to do is to go to

It's a good idea to come back.

I think the Springfield Fair is something that we're going to have to deal with.

This isn't up to what we're going to be doing.

The President should be horsing around, going to the State Fair, and bringing us a big facility to have fun.

Now after Dallas, what do you think about taking us down to Yosemite?

I don't think that's a good idea.

Because people are pushing when I don't mind, but I don't think it sounds very good.

I think it's going to be a sticky weapon to get on, and I just saw a news thing that they're having hippie drugs with some people, and I sure don't think they're going to get into that.

Don't go, don't go, don't go.

There, too, there, too, there is no way to get around this.

They're a small, tiny town, and the goddamn hippies could tear it up.

They're crazy.

Now, what I would do is you should point out the problems in the parts of the White House that you assist the House with.

No, no, no.

Go on.

Go on with that.

I think that would work out fine.

All right.

Let's just go on from Dallas right out to San Clemente Thursday.

And then Friday, maybe you might do that Loma Linda thing that you've been doing Friday night when you're through.

Yeah, I agree that all of it should be done.

We ought to do it soon, because it's, you know, it's sort of, I don't think we're going to do it, I think.

Announce it and get out of it.

Yeah, announce that we're going to do it, and that's getting done.

Okay.

The state fair appeals to me, as a, as a, they stopped in Illinois, at least, appeals to me.

Is there any way to work the goddamn thing out?

But you cannot speak at the state fair.

because it's just not good, Bob, to have outdoor speech engagements.

You understand?

Sure.

You know, what are you... Well, let me...

If you're interested at all, let me explore the... Let me get some more detail.

That's what I was going to say.

All right, well, we have to do the state fair.

I don't want to go to Houston.

I don't think going to Houston makes sense that much.

Let's look around that.

Something like Wyoming or something.

Something out in the west.

Montana.

That would be that.

That's the other.

You can do the national park.

Go to the other park there, the Grand Teton's, which is a better setup.

Wyoming or Montana.

That's been Wyoming.

That's Wyoming.

Yeah.

Check to see if you do a park.

Spend the night there.

The problem in Montana there is that we do it any time.

We're just picking for now.

We do it in the morning and in the afternoon.

Let me play with that.

I don't know what you're talking about.

See what I'm getting at?

Sure.

The bear is fine, but otherwise, an overnight in Dallas does not do it.

They get one hell of a crowd there.

But anyway, how the hell do you get in and out of a place like that?

It's really something.

Dallas is a place you have to remember as well.

It's a place you have to remember as well.

I think that covers it pretty well.

Now, do you think this weekend's a good idea?

Sure.

It's another shot in the country.

If that's New England, you've got to do it sometime.

They're a lot better to do it in summer than in the winter.

It's a new mane and a new handshoe.

You've got a mane and a new handshoe done?

You've got to get back to New Hampshire someday.

This is a substitute way to go in there instead of a political way.

It's on the way to somewhere else.

If you went just up to New Hampshire, it would be obvious that that's what you were doing.

You've done all the rest of it.

You've done Massachusetts.

Massachusetts.

You've done Vermont.

You've done New Orleans.

You've done Rhode Island.

You've done Connecticut.

Let's finish.

You've done Rhode Island.

Sure.

All right.

I don't think it will come up, but I would say, basically, that we stand by everything.

I think that would be the best thing to say.

Also, that gives the impression that something is going on.

I think there's a tendency to sort of exclude this from being correct.

Because nowadays they have the impression that you use a good brand.

Three years ago they said it was going to be a very important part of the space.

With regard to Bruce and Paris and some of the points you just said, shouldn't we say that with regard to the negotiations?

We are still pursuing the negotiating channel.

We are actively pursuing negotiations.

Negotiations are not going to...

This is, when we service this, this is going to be a lot of trouble, yes, because what's in front is in front.

Why don't you answer the 7-4 when they find out that we had 9-4 today?

From the other side, at the other side, the inspector will have to ignore the 7-4.

uh, South Vietnam's elections.

Among drugs that we will have tomorrow, I'm proud to assume that Keele will not, Keele will not make, Keele may have the support of Greta Thunberg, but on the other hand, you know, now that Keele has been staying in the U.S.,

I was just thinking about exuding all that interest that I had in the main three inventions that you were talking about.

How about a... Can I go into details of the invention?

Sure.

What about the... Am I keeping you in your mind?

I was going to mention a few things.

Yeah, absolutely.

Do we have 10% of servers?

That thing is our concern.

We're concerned about it.

Well, yeah, but I'm not sure that we should do this thing.

We can save it.

We may want to do it.

Yeah, exactly.

That's a matter I'm concerned about.

Yeah.

can we really say that we have no hard evidence whatsoever to indicate that any of the officials in Vietnam are advocating for drug trafficking?

I don't think he is.

What is happening in the draft?

I don't know.

So it's not that, it's that this amendment is generally consistent with what we've got.

But is the amendment not publicly known?

Yes.

But is the man's bill?

The man's bill is still very complete, aren't it?

But it's past the consciousness degree.

Well, Stennis, I was going to call Stennis late this afternoon.

He still thinks there's a chance of passing the bill this week.

And he thinks either the letter by you

or would it be some statement that the president does?

We'll get a letter in case the president doesn't come out, Mr. President.

I'll send it to you.

If you tell him I'm better than him, well, don't tell him I'm better than him.

Sometimes we will get a statement to him.

Don't tell him, Mr. President, I'm better than the president.

is pulling into the conference room and off the set just so that the President will give you a statement and if I make it to the press conference you'll get a drive-in ticket whether I'm using it or not I don't know but it's a very good letter, it's a very good letter now, I'm back to stand I'm getting a bulletin you'll make me up another letter good, I'll use it in the next round so

I think I may, when I'm asked about the coming on papers, I think I'm going to be not more in sorrow than anger.

I think I'm going to say the one thing that occurred to me at the chapel,

So there are many political observers and people who are interested in the career there.

And the investigation was about how we got a new war, which we played no part in, rather than how we're getting on with it.

However, we had a larger issue with Kansas, and we had to take the process.

The Board of Governors had a discussion about not taking place unless they had enough to be secure, and we were to be secure.

As a matter of fact, .

Would you agree?

That salt lake, we don't have it on the summit of Edge Bay.

I don't know if you've had it or if you haven't.

I really think you've got a second one.

I'm not being critical of the present.

The present has to begin with a different standard than we have for the present.

The press factor has to begin with the many news that we bring.

Ours has to be news which might hurt the national security.

It's not good.

In between there, we have to find a basis from as far as we're concerned.

Uh, all this, uh, all this investigation finds out that he's an accessory for the administration.

It's more of a job of seeing if there are no securities.

The press is not putting that in place.

I'd say that, and also to make sure there'd be enough open classic files.

I think that would be a generous thing to do.

To make sure that they probably get anything.

I would think we're going to get a question on this.

It's a funny thing.

Do you get any last minute?

No.

Now, if that's the month, I think I will indicate that we're aware, too, that we are, for example, in the same class of issues.

On the war car, straight out of our position against them.

When will we have this infant Japanese work out?

It will be worked out before the next meeting.

Tell me about it.

Well, I think they presented it to me, and I was thinking...

I'm not going to announce it.

I mean, it came out.

Let's not announce it.

Oh, there it is.

Yeah.

Okay.

This Friday?

Fine.

Well, for Christ's sake, no, I mean, no.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Just tell him, no, I was only inviting him to come along.

No, I'll invite Graham to come, and I'll give him the ride.

Yes.

Well, he's going to be in anyway.

So what I would say on this is to say you can tell Graham that the, uh, the convoy that he's on is going to be located at the ranch at that time.

So we're not going to have to support anybody.

He is going to come to this briefing that Henry said he was going to do.

And on that day...

He's never called again.

Huh?

He's never called again.

Henry said he hasn't called again.

Have you talked to Graham or not?

Well, what about the list of people that he was representing?

Fine.

All right.

We'll work it out.

Get the list.

All right.

Fine.

Get the list.

Get the meeting set up.

The day that he comes, I would like to see him.

And, uh, but, uh, well, I might take him on the support of myself.

You know what I mean?

With a couple other people.

Instead.

Right.

Yeah, yeah, but if he'd like, there will be a local headquarters, you know, on which to support him.

But make it static, say that the economists can't be here, because it's better to do it than the one I'm having.

Fair enough.

We'll still do the support of the economists, not the co-conference.

Never do this again, God damn it.

Just say it isn't truly social.

Okay.

That's all.

I thought we had already approved them cheaply.

I signed something.

Have you announced it?

Yeah, we approved it, but we don't want you to announce it this week.

All right.

Because, uh, the environment... Let's just let it dry.

Let's not let it happen.

Because the environment is... Yeah, yeah.

That's too damn bad.

You know, they bled over every goddamn atomic test that's been made.

Oh, yeah.

And I predicted exactly the same thing last week.

We'd be fighting in command, still, if they had their way.

How did that man kill him?

He had to appeal a case in Austin between him and his son.

The Republican chairman of all escalators is out of all proportion to this reality.

.

Okay.

Fine, Eric.

I'll call you.

I don't think there's going to be more next time.

Well, I'm just going to get a quick sharp answer to not get into anything.

We don't need to know anything right now.

Well, I think that's it.

I have a very plain statement, a very unspoken statement that we'd like to put out from here.

I want you to know what was in it, basically, and Mitchell has listened to it and approved it.

First, did you get Mitchell to do it so that he will call the second chairman?

Yes, sir.

He said he would.

We also have the amendment in preparation.

Richardson has acquiesced.

Morgan is supervising and will go to the Hill today.

So this statement says, I have today instructed the Secretary of HEW to draft and submit to the Congress today an amendment to the proposed Emergency School Assistance Act that will expressly prohibit the expenditure of any of the funds requested.

Well, for busing, for the purpose of achieving racial equality.

Oh, I've gone farther than that, William.

And the reason is that there's a sneaker gimmick in this.

They say, well, we're not busting for the purpose of achieving racial balance, but only to eliminate racially identifiable tools.

Well, what the hell with that?

It's the same thing.

All right.

Great.

Oh, I just thought I probably had to be more reasonable.

No, I don't think we afforded it.

Great.

We just hammered that out with Richardson, and he had a lot of blood.

All right.

So that's our quick cue.

We'll go the long, the wide way.

That's what we're saying.

Yes, sir.

And the rest of it says...

that the Justice Department is filing a notice of appeal, that the Attorney General, by speaking, must appeal it because the plan busts children periodically for interracial experiences, that we are not appealing to impose the HEW plan.

In the process of the appeal, the Justice Department will disavow that plan.

Then it restates your position on busing, which is you're against busing.

You will enforce the law to the extent that you must.

But then you have instructed Justice and H.E.W.

to work with school districts to eliminate busing to the maximum extent possible.

Well, John, it's the right decision, and we'll go with that.

I don't know if it is enough to satisfy the poor damn school districts, but there are other ways not to go so far as ATW.

Am I wrong or not?

No, you're right.

You're right.

And if I'm wrong, I don't want to make people think, did you find out what the Atlanta got to make people believe?

Well, who the hell is down there doing this?

We're actually doing it.

We've got to do a better job than this.

Congratulations.

who says, you know, my people are all right, and Morgan, who said, Mr. Secretary, you know what's going on in your own department.

You've got guys in there you should fire.

And finally all that said, well, if you tell me who they are, I'm going to work on them.

And I said, now the Dallas thing has got to be handled here in the home office.

And they told me something that I didn't know about.

They said, we're not into Dallas.

And that's a case between the Inc. Fund and the NAACP and the Dallas School District.

The federal government isn't even in it.

And there was a ruling in that case yesterday that crazed them to the effect that in Dallas, the district judge down there held that black kids get a day off every week from school.

They have a four-day school week in black schools, and they go to a white school one day a week.

It's just ridiculous.

So the NAACP will appeal that.

We're not in it.

I propose we don't intervene.

We should stay the hell away from it.

No, no, no, no, but they seem to have to intervene in order to get control of it.

But I think we should stay as far away from that thing as we can.

As parents versus school, it's...

That's what he said.

He's a good man, but he knows how strong that feeling is.

And also, Elliot's got to know his working stuff.

Well, I let him go down there and get bloody by the host.

We just have had a very good session, which I said, look, we can all be southern chairmen.

There after all, this is a big signal that we have deep political problems, and it isn't going to go away.

We've got to solve them.

And this is where we're going to solve them.

So he's a board member.

All right.

Well, you know the idea, John.

We've had to discuss it.

And I'll bet you what happens is he comes right over here, the Democratic candidate, and supports him.

Do you think he would?

I think so.

Just by a hunch.

By a hunch.

That it'll be, that they're currently running soaking at that time.

And particularly if Connelly is in the race.

So that Texas is... Maybe John.

Maybe John.

We've got...

of that is that you do it sooner than you're in every damn school to attend all the next summer well and we're in we're in legislatures and the issue of ratification is up and uh we can we can put a blessing plank in our platform

Well, I wouldn't be surprised.

We may get some report right out.

But by then, we should have developed enough in the way of polling information that you'd be able to persuade everybody to change that.

I might get a question on this tomorrow.

I'm trying to figure out what to do.

Nevertheless, if you want to do, I hope you still want to do.

It is consistent with the law, yes it is.

The court does not require busing, correct?

That's right.

Does it?

No.

In fact, it doesn't require racial violence, does it?

It does, and yes, it does require racial violence in the sense of the elimination of racially-adopted students.

Now, it says busing may be

certain appropriate circumstances.

One way to achieve that end, but it does not require a question.

That's the way all that stuff will not be, and I think it was good.

Well, let me read you this, because I think it's about...

I've heard what you do, John, but I didn't mean to send it over.

All right.

So you might have a copy, so I don't know.

We've got some other Q&A to send to you on this general subject, too.

Not too much, because I don't want to study too much, but I don't have the time.

Okay.

Honestly, George had a minute to discuss what they had to speak.

Did he contribute?

Yeah.

Did he contribute?

Oh, very much so.

Of course, this is home territory to him.

He knows the names.

I mean, like, one thing.

We would never have won Lockheed that moment.

I'm sure of that.

He played about an end-of-time Christmas game.

I mean, it was a basketball game.

We wouldn't have won it.

I'm convinced that we would have had him say, a year ago, we could have probably won a game.

He's a...

He just sat up on one foot and said, this guy wants something from the treasury and I'm holding him up.

He just played the vicious.

Well, and he got some of the other departments entered, too.

He had Marlow Cook hung up on some housing deal he wanted, and he had Peter Flanagan play Cook very well.

And there was really something.

We've got a gallery of other kinds of chemicals in there.

I was talking to him, and that was the only call I made to the health, to the health at all.

I gave a call to him.

He said, you know, you've got to get rock.

And, you know, rock, rock is made of rock.

And rock is very, you know, you've got to get plenty of rock.

That's a good amendment.

When you appeal that this is the best we can do with this, I think that's a pretty strong statement.

It's a strong statement.

It'll get a lot of visibility.

It'll soften.

It won't soften.

It'll soften.

You'll still have problems with vibrate and what the hell.

Of course, they want you to do it in a simple way.

They'll give you clear words.

Sure, sure.

Cut your hand off now.

Can't do it again.

I just don't see it.

Just don't see it.

If I thought I'd put an end to the problem, I'd rush into it right now.

I don't think it just prolongs the problem.

I see.

I don't know.

You know, this is one where you've got as big a chance of being wrong as right.

And I just don't feel comfortable with it, but I just don't see any other way to go on.

So we just go, pick a course, and then just put balls out on it.

Hope we're right.

And I think we can reinforce this.

I think Connelly can go down there.

He can go down to the ranch sometime.

He can have a press conference while he's down there.

And it's good enough.

Well, maybe he can stay over Monday and have a press conference.

Oh, he comes here two weeks.

Oh, is he?

Oh, wow.

Well, he can background us on it.

I'll talk to him about that.

I think he understands the nuance of it.

Well, I guess it's, I don't know, strangely enough, the Constitutional Amendment may be the answer here.

It really may be.

It's a hell of a blunt instrument, but I just think that it's gone too far in this region.

It's got to turn around some.

The problem with it, of course, is that every district desk gets a free shot at it.

Yeah, but he could have not even went out there.

He could have devised his own plan, which is effective.

He didn't adopt the ATW plan.

And we're not criticizing him for not adopting the AGW plan.

That's what the statement says.

Our field doesn't mean we like the AGW plan.

What we don't like is what he came up with.

That's what we want.

Thanks, man.

Interracial experience.

Yeah.

Somebody over there in the morning says, well, I can understand that.

He says you'd be tired after an interracial experience.

You don't want to walk home from one of those.

Good luck.

All right.

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