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No hurry.

Hi, Bob.

Would you come over now, please?

Could you get me, uh, Mr. I.W.

Abel of the United Steelworkers of America, please?

Oh, John said he's pending.

The Texas School of Things at 8, 15, 11 o'clock.

Yeah, I guess they were up there.

Well, you know, George, I went up, I tried to reach John.

Well,

Hello?

Well, I hope you're getting some sleep after your long sessions over the weekend.

Yeah, and I want to tell you that I'm pleased that they didn't have the stoppage.

What I realize is that it's one of those things where all the stockpiles were filled up and everything, and there were some arguments that there was a difference, but I think the psychology of the country would have been badly affected by a steel stoppage at this point.

Well, and also, the lines harden when you really come down to it.

The diet you took came down to the minus hours.

You're about one and a half percent apart, and so on.

So, I do want to think like that.

Is it going to get better by strike?

The problem is, is it probably worse?

So that was my experience with 59.

It's that way.

The longer the strike went on, the more the boys had to have.

Yeah.

Because you see, as I understand it, and I'm sure the person knows far better than I do, if I were representing the Houston and I couldn't put the 40,000 strike, I could never settle for what appeared to be what you could have gotten before it went out.

You've got to ask to have more to pay for that strike.

All right.

Well, I hope everything goes well.

Yeah, right, right.

We, of course, are going to be looking very, very, naturally, as you will, we'll be looking at that productivity thing, hoping that we'll, I know you, I'm glad you did set up a committee on that, and I know you can work on that, and of course, we'll try to look at the forum and see what help we can get.

Well, we're going to have a meeting in September, you know, and your industry is so important to us that I would appreciate it if you could do it.

If you feel any kind of mind problem with some of them, we'll help you let me know.

I'll be glad to get you in.

And incidentally, I'll talk the same way to management.

You can be sure it's going to be even-ended.

Kurt Gauntz, yeah.

He's a good fellow, you know, I've known him for 25 years.

Yeah, yeah.

Do you like him?

Good, good.

Good.

Well, they... Good, good.

Aren't the men pretty?

I noticed the news summary this morning indicated that the Ring, well, they were pretty.

Well, some, perhaps, one of them.

But most of those were regretted in that strike, and I imagine particularly their wives were.

Great.

Well, we're glad to make somebody happy.

I'll remember that.

I'll remember.

That's great.

I was made to teach all that sometime.

Good.

Well, we'll see you in September if not summer.

It's very important that this guy works on the ground.

McGregor, please.

Trying to reach McGregor last night.

I just couldn't go down the list.

What is your list, Nicole?

I think little notes on that might be a good idea, you know.

For example,

The tower, for instance, Caleb want to call and kill them all right now.

He can't call anybody without calling the tower.

Just like their job.

Great job, many thanks, R.M.

To Caleb Long, many thanks, R.M.

And to Bill Roth.

I know, I know this was when I know the lucky people.

Yeah.

I tried to reach you last night.

You were in New York.

They said go into a play or a theater or something.

But I just thought that was a great victory.

And did you take off by that bridge or did you take off earlier?

Yeah.

Right.

I tell you, when you win one, you win them big, don't you?

Yeah.

That's right.

Landslide McGregor.

Yeah, yeah, well, it was great.

I'll send, I'm sending little notes to various people, to John Tower, to Caleb Fogg.

You know, the old Caleb and Rob came through.

That was incredible.

And how about Cook?

Yeah, I wrote both.

I'm writing a cover.

How about Cook?

She did one.

Yeah, yeah, okay.

Well, anyway, one other thing.

You know, yours and mine, dear friend Pete Nomni, can't you get him to sort of pipe down a little?

I mean, you know, the guy is, of course, on the China thing, and virtually every time he turns around, he comes up with something quite negative.

And after all, he is the campaign chairman.

I don't mind him voting against Lockheed.

I understand that.

And we win.

But, you know, look at our leaders, our great leaders.

We lost Crick.

We lost him.

We lost Aiken.

Good God.

We lost Margaret Smith.

Yeah.

Right, right.

What?

I don't know.

Is there anything we can do for him?

I mean, I don't know.

You know, Henry's talked to us about the thing, and if he really thinks it's true on the China thing, it's smart.

It's not only smart, but it's right.

And don't you agree?

Yeah.

Yeah, because basically we're fighting to keep Taiwan in.

If we weren't doing that, they'd be out on their ass right now.

Good.

Well, good.

Well, when he gets back, I want you to say a few positive things.

He is a Senate candidate.

Okay.

Well, you did a great job, all your team, including John McAuley.

And are there any other notes that you read?

I don't want to write too many because it's the cheapest of currency, but I will write to Marlo Cook.

Good.

Yeah.

I called several, but the only one that came through was Caleb, and he came through because Rob came through.

Right.

Okay.

If you paid it, we've got to give them that effective chemical.

But I'll do it.

I'll do it.

I believe in keeping my bargain.

Okay.

And that's it.

Marlowe's up.

Here's Marlowe.

on all accounts I want you to know how grateful I am I think this is part of what I have been doing I did on some others where I wrote everybody's book before me

Well, most of them didn't vote for you.

Some of these people voted because you put the, you know, a lot of others voted because they had to vote.

I called someone, sometimes I don't call, and it's been an idea as well, but she just agreed to go forward and call that woman.

Look where, yeah, I've got it.

Did her in, 69.

Well, I'd like to do it.

Okay.

Poor John's still at Schultz.

Well, I just got to get everybody to understand that.

I told Schultz that regional director has to go, and I understand he did his thing.

Sorry?

Yeah, Morgan has several people I think that they could work with.

I think part of the problem is we moved some people, kicked some people out of Atlanta last year and a couple of them ended up in Austin this year.

They're the same people doing the same thing again.

Yeah, I assume you're not going to have a restaurant or something like that, right?

No, I'm not.

You are going to.

I think I might as well get it done with Bob out of here.

Right, to say that maybe you might want to put it off because there's some rustle out that you're going to have once you want it off your head.

And that will turn up.

But who in the hell will put it off?

I don't know.

There's a lot of people, probably there might be one.

In Canada, as soon as you're doing checking with people and stuff, they get bored.

It's hard to get out.

What he's suggesting is that what you might want to do is have it at 11 in the morning, or 12, or something like that, instead of at 3, which is when they're expecting.

We could then throw them off as far as getting the here regulars in.

The disadvantage in any office is you get too many people.

Well, you don't get too many.

Well, you get the wrong people.

You get Mary McGraw and all those people instead of a regular reporter.

Yeah.

And also, also, they have a chance to .

That they may do anyway if they're expecting one at the end of the day. .

What he's suggesting is that what you might want to do is have it at 11 in the morning, or 12, or something like that, instead of at 3, which is when they're expecting.

We can then throw them off as far as getting the here regulars in.

The disadvantage in any office is we get too many people.

But not only too many, you also get the wrong people.

You get Mary McGorry and all those people instead of the president and the reporter.

Yeah.

And also, also, you have a chance to have a terrible career.

You can't have any of that.

Oh, we got that.

I don't want to get it off until after that.

I don't want to put it off until after the unemployment region.

I figure that they will be where they are up on two tenths of a point or three tenths.

They could be because of the seasonal variation.

I don't want to have to comment on the unemployment thing.

That's just not going to be a common problem.

I think it just means we'll do the goddamn thing.

I just figure I've got to build a tree of losses.

If they have too many, they have too many.

I would say, wait a minute, why do you say you're not supposed to trust me?

How would that throw them off?

If the president is going to be the daughter of our NRI, then he won't understand.

If you're going to have to go, you know, you're going to have to have a power night.

I put it up for the switch in New York, setting up people in New York.

That's true.

Yeah.

In other words, just off, take off.

I think you're right.

Yeah.

I wonder what our, I understand, I just didn't hear a little comment or an argument.

What is the latest on it?

He told me that, and I, and then showed that we're not going to attempt to strut it.

Let it go.

What's the, what about the date?

If you let him get out the story, we're going to put that out or not put that out.

Of Obama, that's right.

All right.

Would you, uh...

I bet you we'll call them and tell them that the president is one.

Yep.

Now, on that historical, then, is he appealed right over there?

Christ takes the time to wait.

They're not going to be making their statements.

I don't know whether Michael is going to make these calls next week or next year.

Now, Holland is not calling.

He hasn't called.

If you could, John, I know you were here at a meeting, but would you call Medjool on a new personal follow-up?

Medjool must make these calls and pick the ones that are likely to pop off.

The Texas chairman first, the Mississippi chairman second.

I don't know which other ones you would follow.

No?

How about the Texas chairman?

Technically, what?

So what is Metro going to tell us?

Metro will tell him that first we are gas busting.

We're going to have to break.

Is he going to tell him that as far as this plant is concerned, that we repudiate the TPW plant?

That we repudiate the TPW plant?

And both of the TPWs?

Any line?

Okay.

I understand that the other scheme that George has with regard to another proposal without busting the income on the market.

Now, Connolly, of course, says to me, great, really, Dallas.

Dallas, we have got to get over that.

We've got to get over this goddamn thing right now.

Everybody will come to Dallas.

Yeah, well, I think that perhaps all of the issues

All right, all right, we must, they must understand that those HWBs that are not due now, it's not about them, that is the end.

And let's start fighting the public, you know.

You still feel what you have to feel.

There's no way, I was thinking about possibly .

That's it.

Because they'll have the same plan.

But just so we understand how strong I feel about, it must have been, I want to fight foul warfare any way there is.

And I want to fight, and as many times as I can, I will be able to beat over that dude in the hand.

I'll be able to beat him.

All right.

But let me say, still put in the amendment, though.

And then I don't think .

I also want us to come again to where we are.

That's good.

I like that.

We're going to try to get through it.

And I suggest this.

And we believe, who I understand, how it will be today, how it will be today, who we are, and why it is important.

Well, why don't we just get the motion to work, get the amendment, get the hell out of Congress, rather than making a statement.

this amendment comes to do that.

Yeah, I mean, it was a fair amendment.

So, yeah.

All right, fine.

Great.

You got the amendment, that would be better.

Well, why don't you call the speaker in the hall and see what he says?

There's no great concern.

You just think you're going to have too many crowds.

Well, I don't know why they can't.

These guys can't keep their mouths shut about this.

They have to go tell the press.

That's what I've got to add.

I'm not saying it gets to the press.

It doesn't need to get to the press, Bob, but when it's out, see, it's been...

Bouncing pass, start a vote, and then cancel it and start another one.

As soon as you pull up over here, they start suspecting.

They ask, any time you spend any time over here, they ask, I will probably get that with my own.

You were with them yesterday, and they told you it's going to be you.

We put those out.

I'm waiting.

I'm taking my time.

Why don't you call in and ask me one second?

I want to know if I have to go in.

The charge is three.

Three.

Three-thirty is up there.

It's not like three.

You can give me a lot of different places.

How about just making it two-thirty?

I didn't get expected to pull it off.

He says three.

Christ, did we put everything out?

Well, we didn't plan to do it for you, I don't think.

That's a funny time that I had when I had to go to New York.

Or maybe he's just making...

I'm not going to tell anybody.

I'm not in New Canada, not anybody.

I'm sitting here prepared about that and about myself.

There's no reason to have these leaks.

We can get to New Canada.

We don't have to tell New Canada when the press conference is.

We just don't know when the book is going to be ready.

and they may not have any idea that there's a time.

Well, it is much better without any, a lot of the bacteria come in, you know, and it clutters up the little parts just to give you a crowd.

And so, you know, all of it is fine.

What's your impression of the Texas group?

I just like you and I became a popular leader and that's actually the same thing.

We have to, isn't there some other way to go ahead and benefit?

You know, you've got to come up with something.

There, what it boils down to is that there, you don't have to, but all of them you're going to have to.

It's better to do it now and get it done.

It's better to do it in Austin than in Dallas.

You have the same problems as Dallas and Houston, of course.

Oh.

Ron, I'm trying to press up here about the press conference saying that you're one that you've had some questions on whether it's going to be one time.

We moved it to 2.30 or something like that.

Is it an odd time that that's two o'clock?

Yeah, we called.

I mean, it wouldn't be anybody here.

Well, you'd have the wires and then some...

if you call out.

So you need to do it at a regular briefing time.

What is the briefing time?

11.

11 or 4.

Well, I'm on 3.

Well, what about doing it at 3?

Then you start to call out.

Is that it?

What about going to the Pickle Pool?

You can do it at 1130 or 12.

You can do it at 12, you can just stall them while you're braking.

Wait for 12 to say.

You can do it at 12.

Jerry went out at 11.30.

They said, I'm waiting for you anyway.

He went out at 11.30 and said, Ron will be with you in a few minutes.

He's tied up.

You can go out a little before 12 and say the president's going to brief you.

Come on in.

That would work, man.

Okay.

Don't do anything about it.

What about 3 o'clock?

Now what about 3 o'clock?

3 o'clock you say is back and you have to call.

Yeah.

And if you said ahead of time you were going to brief at 3 o'clock, then they...

They all turn up.

Yeah.

All right.

How about staying ahead of time?

Wait a minute.

I'm going to have the president in front of you.

All right.

That's the thing you put on the panel.

You're only putting it on three hours a day at 11 o'clock.

What about at your 11 o'clock briefing saying, I'm going to leave the tree this afternoon because the president will be leaving at 4 from New York?

For dinner with his daughter.

Do you think he needs to do a lot of testing?

They asked him today about whether or not he could.

Okay.

Very good.

He says,

But it isn't, they're not as, they didn't have any time because they just haven't, they haven't been, the word is out there's going to be a press conference tomorrow among a few people.

It's not super widespread, but there's enough people asking about it that anything he does out of the ordinary is going to, as he said, spook them a little more.

Again, what he's concerned about is getting a couple hundred people to come to that forum.

He says he can stall until at the latest 12 o'clock, a little 30 would be better.

But without getting anybody stirred up, because that's a fairly frequent happening.

He'll do it in the morning.

But if he tries to juggle the afternoon, then he'll either not get anybody or he'll get everybody.

You're going to get none or too many.

You're going to get what you're looking for.

So he'll go for a little 30-40.

you know, and sapphires and so forth.

I had forgotten to tell you the other time, I wanted to be a fan of the video camera, and I looked at it all the time.

I had to call out my friends by all the street.

I just didn't want to breathe a lot in that moment.

And it just gets my mind all wrong.

And my husband was doing the same thing, and I just said to him to read this stuff, and to do it, and get me what you need of it.

And this is the summer I've been wanting to do this for a week.

That's new summer and we definitely want it.

Would you not agree?

Yeah, because it gives you more of an overview.

And it's a little bit better than the ones that you get day by day.

Maybe that's too much oriented.

Well, it is to some extent because there's less IP.

So get told you can't drag, but I won't.

The other thing that I need is a better statement on the positive side of the economy.

He hasn't cracked the fairway.

And what could this mean?

I appreciate it.

Thank you.

Now let's look at economic policies.

The fact is that economic policies are quite expensive.

There's a lot of ones that are cool.

The economy is rising.

Economic policies are becoming more and more catchy.

There's all kinds of things going on.

Well, I get it.

I'm very interested in that stuff.

It's viral.

He loves that, doesn't he?

Vice President.

That is not the problem.

The problem is that any sophisticate who's been around the goddamn place knows when I traveled for all of them, when I was vice president, I did all of them.

And they've made that public.

They've made me out to see the magazines.

That's what they've been doing.

That's how they're shacking the vice president.

And they pointed out that I did.

They never did when I did.

But they are now.

Their line is that you went, they talked about the things that you did, going outside, talking to people and all that, and they talked about your memorable trips to Kitchen, to Bates, to Caracas, and they talked about it for a big highlight, but they said it wasn't just those, it was also that on all trips, he always went out and talked to people, and he and Mrs. Nixon went to these very places.

I mean, they...

They're not in college.

He's working.

Yeah, but actually, they're petting demons.

Well, not really.

You can pet it.

Your granddaughter asked about it.

They're playing more than what they've ever played before because by building you, they make him look bad, which they're trying to do.

That's one of his vice words.

Well, sure.

Sure.

He likes to sit, like he enjoyed sitting in that meeting with Texas as well.

At least it looked to me like he was, you know, he likes to be in that.

Now, your information, we're not going to be able to write it down.

This is going to require iron fist, but I'm going to put it that way.

It's still up here, but I'm going to put it down.

You know, it's not quite as good a department.

It's going to be another variety of people.

The second one is that it would seem to me, it would seem totally irresponsible to submit to the Congress today the adjournment of the program of this and our decision.

And third, it appears to be panicking and separating the prisoners for all the reasons of buying the Congress.

Well, also, and I just wrote about it, and I'm not going to miss it.

And fourth, I said to John, and I said,

Also, if you do it now, it's going to get lost.

In other words, you throw it out there at the Congress adjournment in the summer and everybody's going to figure it out.

If you do it on the 8th, the day the Congress gets back ready to start kicking around again, all of a sudden you just drop the bomb on it.

And there they are, sitting in the back for their session, and you're on top of it, studying that night.

That, that strategically worked out, it seems to me, in a hell of a lot of ways.

Hi, Henry.

Well, there's no one here to talk to you today.

Your mom hired you, right?

Yeah, I think that's the point.

The chairman did.

One thing we need to get, I can't remember the schedule, but all right, so one of them is the question of the Japanese member.

The problem is that he wants to land in Alaska at 11 o'clock Sunday night instead of at midday Monday.

And the question is whether we want to do that.

I couldn't possibly do that just because I were in California.

It has to be California.

It's been too exhausting to do that.

I don't mind exhaustion, but I have to, at a certain point, mind the air pressure.

It's going to be the air pressure.

It's not going to last.

It's going to be a rather

Unless I was in California.

The logistical question was bothering Henry, which is 11 o'clock, that's 11 o'clock Alaska time, which would be 1 a.m. California time, because Alaska is 2 hours early.

4 a.m. Eastern.

Yeah.

And then you finish the meeting at, say, 1 o'clock Alaska time.

It'll be 6 a.m. Eastern time.

Then you've got an 8-hour flight.

I've checked it with them.

On the way back, if you can't put this, you can get us maybe set up at 7.

6 a.m. or 7 o'clock.

So you can get back here at 1 o'clock in the afternoon on Monday.

No, the South American route, the energy is not until Tuesday.

So it would be, in some ways, it's not as bad as doing it on Monday.

All of them, if you have the meeting Monday at the time, we originally had you be back here by about, I don't know, 1 o'clock, 1 a.m. Back for the improvement of the decision to be back Monday.

So Henry's question is, how can we negotiate now with the Japanese?

We can push for Monday morning, Mr. President.

As long as we know that it first comes to us, we will do it Sunday night.

What we're trying to avoid, we said that Jeff said if he asked, he had to change his schedule and that he wouldn't.

Alright.

Where can we be, Bob, on how can I find a hotel that's choosing New California for us to date?

We can do something there.

What I meant is, can we find out something that I can be doing in Sheridan for him at that particular time?

Sure.

Or maybe there's something in other places, you know, we've got to do in Portland or something like that.

We'll build something that's, we'll do a Midwest or Western media briefing.

We've got to do Sunday.

Let's get that over with.

And we're trying to do a Western media briefing in Portland.

And then we're flying up to Alaska.

I almost said we can't do a media briefing on a Sunday.

I think he could.

and that would be a problem.

How about if we agreed on Saturday and then spend the night in Portland, right?

Yeah, Saturday.

And in Portland, you can't eat.

We don't say Sunday in Portland, do we?

Yeah.

Unless we go visit a national park or something.

Well, that might not be a good idea.

We haven't had a wedding in a very long time without them.

Well, it's fine.

Well, or we can hit Portland on the way out and have a good night in L.A. for the weekend.

Go up to Alaska.

Go to bed on Friday.

Or have a media briefing in L.A. That's fine.

I did have a media briefing in L.A. That's all right.

Then we can talk in the health community department.

We don't need it.

Unless we want to try to get all of them into the state, we can get more of them into Washington.

Unless we don't have to work that out right now,

Yeah, probably because it's kind of a jackass thing to all the people that are telephoning up to Portland to look up.

There's 10 times as many people on the right as there are on Portland to look up.

Or it should be both times.

But...

I'd like to do that, and you can do that by just flying in to San Francisco, doing a briefing on Friday, and then on down to San Clemente, and spend the weekend.

Probably make a stop somewhere, maybe on the way out also.

Maybe not.

Maybe we could do something on Sunday night, or Sunday.

Or maybe it's a Sunday afternoon.

Then a Sunday stop in Fort Lauderdale, either Washington or Oregon, on the way up to Alaska.

On the way back to Washington.

Like, if you're coming back to Washington, you know what I'm doing.

I could assume not fool around.

Let's go to 11 o'clock tonight.

Why don't you think so?

Well, I said to him, you can't worry about the time.

Maybe he's excited and all that, but he thought there's something that makes a difference to you.

No, it doesn't make a lot of difference.

I think it's like how nice and good he's coming at 11 o'clock.

We spend an hour or two, one or two hours, whatever they wanted to do at 11 o'clock.

Oh, and if it was 10 o'clock, isn't it?

I think it's going to be there.

I found out .

I think frankly there's something to be said.

Either one.

I would leave it to them.

So I would be glad to come up that night and be glad to come to you the next morning.

That's the most gracious way.

And then it's up to you, either one.

It's your option.

It can't be after, well they won't want it after.

It can't be after dinner on Sunday.

Also on the caps we have a question whether you would receive a courtesy call from the Prince and Princess.

This is Hitachi who is the younger brother of the Crown Prince.

And they're going to be in Washington September 14th and 15th.

And they visit the Man House in New York.

He actually would be just going to invite them to come by and pay their respects, but they haven't.

She didn't have them to me.

There's one advantage with the Anchorage stuff, in addition to the mileage, it takes up too much time.

I've been to Japanese before the deaths.

I've also been to Chinese.

I think they might just as well have seen them again.

And I'm going to be self-authentic.

And I wish to thank our friends for sending Reagan on this secret drive on the East.

So forth and so on.

And what else?

You know, the rest of you can do that here.

On the Sequoia thing, it's a three-hour run from Mount Vernon up.

So if you want to do the month, read up.

It's not six hours, it's not about five hours.

You're going against the current.

It's just a little over an hour and 15, 20 minutes going down and three hours coming back.

Twice as long coming up and it's going down.

Now, sunset is 815.

I think what you better do, unless you want to do the three hours,

is to get aboard at 6 o'clock and cruise down and you can have the honors and get off of Mount Vernon to come back up.

If the current's going with you going down, it won't go down much faster.

But we will come back by helicopter, not by boat.

Just set the departure time so that you arrive on time.

Set the departure time and have the mobile run so that it runs two hour and then come back when you arrive.

Set the departure time so that you get a two hour cruise and then come back when you arrive.

We're going to check the sunset time and I think you have to leave at six o'clock.

That's not bad.

That gets you back early.

Now, on the weekend, they got...

The nursing home deal works out if you want to do it.

It's clear that the one to do it is Nashville and that area is not Dover.

The load is not in town.

It won't be back until September.

So there's no problem.

You can land at the Manchester airport.

You drive to Nashville.

It's a 25 minute drive.

You don't go to Manchester to get there.

The problem with Dover is it's full of hippies.

There's a big tourist gathering there and a lot of hippies.

The nursing home is just one of the top 10% nursing homes in the country.

It's clean, good people, about 200 beds.

But they went in and looked at it and said it's a very depressing sight.

There's a bedridden couple of patients, a lot of them are senile, some of them are on the verge of death.

Like I hope for the variables is that it would be that kind of experience.

And we would do it with no press.

We would not let the press go in.

And not a full man.

Yeah, one.

That's it.

One.

No reason.

Never had no reason.

I agree.

Right.

I don't know, maybe you still might see them.

No, no, no, no.

You can take pictures with other people.

They're ready to die.

You can take a picture outside.

They get a picture outside.

We let some people meet you.

And I say that the staff there are very good and cheerful people and all that.

The purpose is to announce your new...

to follow up on your thing when you said you were going to do something about the nursing home.

We've got a thing to do.

And we didn't figure out how that would be.

So I said, you brought me up.

Why make me up there?

I don't know.

I think you ought to do it on your own.

Then I went into Bangor.

And the thought there is to just have a crowd at the airport.

Unless you want to do a receptionist thing, I think you do.

I don't know.

I just let a big Saturday afternoon morning crowd at the airport.

If you could get off the plane, do the events, we'd give it the enthusiastic thing there and I think you'd have to speak then.

Don't give it any goddamn time for it.

Okay.

Well, I don't have time for it.

Okay, but how do you avoid it there if you don't have a car?

Or you don't have a car.

You have a chopper.

Alright, whatever.

I think there you think it really is.

It's small, not an arranged thing, you don't have any, we've got to go to market with you and that's all.

The doctor wants us here.

I don't need to swap with Joe Connery.

From the blue, he said absolutely I should talk to her, not him.

Talking to her, she would be very, not to have her, you know, but given us a boat, we have to borrow one to have.

She never does.

She's such a nice person.

She's been up in my heart and strength.

She's cross-bred.

She's been quite good.

And I wanted to do something in Bangor.

We could.

Or we could come back.

Like on Monday, you have to come back.

We can do the Bangor thing on Monday with Lydia.

leadership perception in the morning or something.

I just think you're better off not doing it.

No, I don't.

I want to go in and employ them.

I'm stopping at Nashville for the purpose of nursing homes, and you're going to Maine for a vacation.

I mean, not vacation, a weekend.

That's good.

Maine is a big tourist.

That's your time to their tourist business.

The New England tourist business is good.

That's good.

Okay.

So what?

I don't think it's necessary.

By the way, you can't do it in a new hamster.

That name just won't do any good.

Oh, that's right.

I think that's all right.

Question of whether you want to have the speaker for breakfast on Friday.

Just as a wrap-up, and because he's about to leave, you know, with his group on his tour, he's asked for White House guidance on this delegation retreat in Korea.

I'm sure I've been in Taiwan a lot.

Then we have the girl's station booth Friday morning.

I wonder if you want to just take the speaker in with you to do that?

No?

Do it alone?

No, sir.

Okay.

8.30 for breakfast.

8.30 for lunch.

Okay.

The, uh...

Another recommendation, of course, is that you have a wrap-up meeting with the big board, right?

Just the board meeting.

This would be the end of the session.

I don't understand exactly what the purpose of it would be.

It's just a planned strategy for accomplishments after the recess.

That may be symbolic at the end of the session.

Set it up, however.

We really get it programmed so that they just don't come in without a man-fishing session.

The stage is smaller.

We include errands, errands and boy scouts.

Well, Griffin will just do the marijuana.

Can we get him in with a, make it a positive meeting?

Do you agree?

I've got the proposal on your Anchorman gathering, you know, the TV guys, the George Bush ones, you know, around the country.

I think we ought to put it off until September now, but I don't think we ought to do it now.

Is that all right?

On a good time, I'm kind of trying.

That gives them a chance to study a little more.

And the other thing is, here's a possibility, if you want to hit the road on the week after next, do the Knights of Columbus Tuesday night in New York.

Possible to remain overnight in New York.

Leave the next morning for Springfield, Illinois, and do the Illinois State Fair.

That's Governor's Day.

And so, if you're going to do a state speech,

I don't speak.

No.

No, we work it out on a presidential visit to the State Paralympic when you don't speak.

Well, have you ever been to the State Paralympic?

Yeah.

Well, they have the goddamn Republican speakers and the Democrat speakers, and I'm not going to get into that.

You go at a different time than that.

You wouldn't go during the speaker time.

And what do I do, just wander around the State Paralympic house?

Yep.

I don't know.

Another other possibility to make some stop in Pennsylvania or someplace out where we've been looking for a way to get into southern Illinois.

All right, then it's a chance to get into Springfield.

You need to have a lot of people to speak.

Don't speak, man.

Don't speak.

There's no... Yeah, I...

Let me see if it works on that.

I'm sure you, I'm sure you understand, but you cannot go and stand outside and hear all the squealing and swelling and grass and make a speech at the state fair and then put your dish right down in a horrible position.

That's right.

If they do it that way, I can do it.

Let me see if it works on that.

Then the idea would be to go on to Dallas and overnight to Dallas.

Or if you, I don't think you want to, but if you want to tie in your Apollo astronauts, you can go on to Houston.

and do a follow-up routine that night.

We can get that over with.

I don't know, we'll grab something to have at dinner.

No.

No, I'm going to have it with all the people.

I think that you're here.

Well, I told my wife.

I know.

So that's that.

No, I think the thing to do is to go to Dallas and work on my speech and get ready.

Right, right.

And then you speak the next morning.

See what this busing thing and everything is going to have some problems in Dallas.

No.

I'm not sure you want to go and spend the night.

It may be that you just better go to New York and just come back here.

Go to Dallas, fly in to Dallas, do your speech and all that.

I think you're right.

I'm not trying to motorcade Dallas or anything else, just get in as quick as we can before you make the VFW speech and just bang into that.

I think after the New York thing, the thing to do is to come back here and not go to the spring to the, you went to the fair.

I don't think so.

I think the best thing to do is to, I think the best thing to do is to go to

It's a good idea to come back.

I think the Springfield Fair is something that should be good.

This isn't up to what we want to be doing.

The President should be portioning around going to the State Fair.

You agree on that?

Right.

That's a big facility to have.

After Dallas, what do you think about taking us down to Yosemite?

Because people are pushing when I don't mind, but I don't think it sounds very good.

It's in the national parks.

I think it's going to be a sticky weapon to get on.

So I do think that they're having hippie drugs.

I sure don't think they're going to get on.

Don't go.

There, too.

There's no way to get around it.

It's there in that small, stony valley.

And the goddamn hippies will tear it up.

They're crazy.

You should point out the problems in the parts of the White House that you're assisting us with.

Hold on.

Hold on to that.

I think they'll avoid California.

All right, let's just go on from Dallas right up to San Clemente on Thursday.

And then Friday, maybe you might do that on Melinda.

Maybe you could have done a bench wedding Friday night.

Yeah, I agree that all of it should be done.

We ought to do it soon because it's, you know, it's sort of an out-of-the-wood kind of thing.

Announce it and get out of it.

Yeah, announce that we're going to do it and let's get it done.

Okay.

The State Fair appeals to me as a... they stopped in Illinois, at least it appeals to me.

Is there any way to work the goddamn thing out?

But you cannot speak at the State Fair.

because it's just not a good bond to have outdoor speaking engagements, you understand?

Sure.

You know, uh, what are we, uh... Well, let me, let me...

If you're interested at all, let me explore the, let me get some more detail.

That's what I would like to hear.

All right, well, we have to go to the State Fair.

I don't want to go to Houston.

I don't think going to Houston makes sense to have a production company here.

Let's look around that area.

Probably something like Wyoming or something.

Something out in the west.

Montana.

That would be that.

That's the other.

You can do the national park.

Go to the other park there, the Grand Teton's, which is a better setup.

Wyoming or Montana.

That's in Wyoming.

Yeah.

Check to see if you do a park.

It's been around there, hundreds of years.

The problem in Montana there is that, being that we do it any time, we're just picking for no-no.

We do it in the morning, in the afternoon, before it even comes in.

Let me play with that.

I don't know what you're talking about.

See what I'm getting at?

Sure.

The mayor is fine, but otherwise, overnight in Dallas was not good.

They had one hell of a crowd there.

How the hell do we get in and out of the place without it?

It would be something.

Dallas would play too.

I don't know what you're talking about.

It may still.

It may still be down there.

I don't know.

It also may be worse.

Yeah.

I think that covers it pretty well.

Now, do you think this weekend's a good idea?

Sure.

It's another shot in the country.

It does New England.

You've got to do it sometime.

They're a lot better to do it in summer than in the winter.

It's new Maine and New Hampshire.

You've got Maine and New Hampshire done.

You've got to get back to New Hampshire someday.

This is an associated way to go in there instead of a political way.

It's on the way to somewhere else.

And if you went just up to New Hampshire, it would be obvious that that's what you were doing.

You've done all the rest of it.

You've done Massachusetts.

Massachusetts.

You've done Vermont.

You've done New Orleans.

You've done Rhode Island.

You've done Connecticut.

You've done Spanish.

You've done Rhode Island.

You've done Michigan.

All right.

in regard to this promosal resolution?

No, I don't think it will come up, but I would say that I'll face it.

I believe you stand by everything.

I think that would be the best thing to say.

Although that gives the impression that something is going on.

I think there's a danger to sort of screw this.

Because nowadays they have the impression that you use a good brand.

Right.

Free.

Free, yes.

All these days.

Actually, you have had a strategy over this part of the year.

With regard to Bruce, Paris, and 7th Point, should we say it with regard to the negotiations?

We are still pursuing the negotiating channel.

I don't know if you can tell us what is this.

We are actively, shall I say, pursuing negotiations negotiations

This is, when we service this, this is going to be about the other end of this, but they're trying to send us out.

Why don't you answer the 7-4 when they find out that we have 9-4?

From the other side, to the other side, and they told us to ignore the 7-4.

uh, South Vietnamese elections.

A month rather than people have tomorrow, I'm proud to assume that he will rule them.

He will not win.

He may have the support of the president, but on the other hand, you know, now the administration is very indecisive.

I was just thinking about exuding all of that information that I had.

It's pretty interesting to hear what other people are going to express themselves.

How about the... Can I put it into detail so it's able to move on?

Sure.

What about the...

I keep moving your lunch.

I was going to mention pizza.

Yeah, absolutely.

Do we have 10% of the servers?

That thing is our concern.

We're concerned about it.

Well, we are, but I'm not sure that we should continue with this thing.

We can save it.

We may want to do it.

Yeah, that's a matter of consideration.

that we have in consideration.

In particular, when you say he's invited .

Can we really say that we have no hard evidence whatsoever to indicate that he is an officer?

I don't think he is.

What if I had to make a draft?

That is what would make it.

Yes.

And his master is still pregnant, you know?

Well, his master comes with the reason.

Well, Stennis, I was going to quote Stennis as it lay this afternoon.

He still thinks there's a chance of passing the bill this week.

And he thinks either the letter by you...

would it be some statement that the president will give a give a letter in case they don't tell the president don't tell him we will get a statement

is pulling into the country, putting him in office, just so that the President will give you a statement.

And if I make it to the press conference, you'll get a drive-in ticket, you'll get a refuse ticket, you'll get a letter from the President.

So you prepare the letter, you prepare the letter.

Now, I want to thank the stand.

I'm getting a full list of... You'll make me up a letter.

I'll send the next one out.

I think I may, uh, if I'm asked about the Pentagon papers, I think I'm going to be, uh, not more in sorrow than anger.

I think I'm going to, I think I'm going to say, I'm going to say the one thing that could mean that, uh, Chappell was, uh,

There are many political observers in the region, in the area, in Wisconsin, who have done investigations about how we got a new law, which we play no part in, rather than how we're getting out.

And however, we had a larger issue, and we had to get it across to the Board of Governors, especially when we were not taking place, unless they had come to be secure, or were to be secure.

As a matter of fact, they are coming out at a time when our very sensitive negotiations are going on with the U.S. and the Republic of China in search of counter-contracts and possible legal negotiations.

I'm going to set it.

Would you agree?

That salt lake, we don't have it on the son of a bitch.

I really think you've got a second.

I'm not being critical of the present.

The present has to begin with a different standard than we have for the present.

The present standard has to begin with any news that we bring.

Ours has to be news which might hurt the national security.

It's not good.

In between there, we have to find a basis as far as we're concerned.

Uh, all this, uh, all this investigation, uh, points out that there's an necessity for the administration to do a more effective job of seeing that there are no insecurities.

The press is not putting that in place.

I think that, and also to make sure that we have an unproven classic file.

I think that would be a generous thing to do.

To make sure that they probably get anything.

I would think we're going to get a question on this.

It's a funny thing.

Do you get any last minute?

No.

Now, if that's the month, I think I will indicate that we're aware, too, that we are, for example, in the Midwest, which is one of the

On the war car, this is straight out of our position against them.

When will we have this infant Japanese work out?

Is it going to be worked out before the next year?

Tell me about it.

Well, I think they presented it to be announced.

I'm not going to announce it.

I mean, if it came out, let them announce it.

Hold on.

Yeah, yeah.

This Friday?

Fine.

Well, for Christ's sake, Billy Ray, just flush it.

Well, for Christ's sake, no, I mean, no.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Just tell him, no, I was only inviting him to come along.

No, I'll invite Graham to come, and I'll give him the ride.

Yes.

Well, he's going to be in anyway.

So what I would say on this is to say you can tell Graham that the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh, the uh,

Fine, all right, we'll work it out.

Get the list.

All right, fine.

Get the list.

Get the meeting set up.

The day that he comes, I would like to see him.

And, well, I might take him on the support of myself.

You know what I mean?

With a couple other people.

Instead, right?

yeah yeah but if he's lying there we'll look we'll have to probably you know honestly support him but make it static say that the economists can't beat him because it's better to do that than one of them fair enough we'll still do the support and then the comments never do this again okay

That's all.

I thought we had already approved him, Chief.

I signed something.

Have you announced it?

We don't want you to announce it this week.

All right.

Because, uh, all the environmentalists just let it dry.

Let it happen.

Because all the environmentalists... Yeah, yeah.

That's too damn bad.

You know, they bled over every goddamn atomic test that's been made.

Oh, yeah.

I should have picked up exactly the same thing last week.

Fighting commands, though, they had their way.

We have to appeal a case in Austin

I don't think so.

Okay.

Fine, Eric.

I'll call you.

I don't think there's going to be more next time.

Well, I'm just going to give them quick sharp answers and I'm getting them to get into anything.

They don't need to know anything right now.

I have a very, very plain statement, a very plain, spoken statement that we'd like to put out from here.

I want you to know what was in it, basically, and Mitchell has listened to it and approved it.

First, did you get Mitchells to, so that he will call the secretary chairman?

Yes, sir.

And we also have the amendment in preparation.

Great.

Richardson has acquiesced to it, Morgan is supervising it, and it will go to the Hill today.

So that this statement says, I have today instructed the Secretary of AGW to draft and submit to the Congress today an amendment to the proposed Emergency School Assistance Act that will expressly prohibit the expenditure of any of those funds to the bus.

Well, for busing, for the purpose of achieving racial equality.

No, I've gone farther than that.

And the reason is that there's a sneaker gimmick in this.

They say, well, we're not busting for the purpose of achieving racial balance, but only to eliminate racially identifiable tools.

Well, what the hell with that?

It's the same thing.

All right.

Great.

Oh, I just thought I probably had to be more reasonable.

No, I don't think we can afford it.

Great.

We just hammered that out with Richardson, and she had a lot of blood.

All right.

So that's our quick cue.

We'll go the long, the wide way.

That's what we're saying.

Yes, sir.

And the rest of it says...

that the Justice Department is filing a notice of appeal, that the Attorney General advised me he must appeal because of the plan of us children periodically for interracial experiences, that we are not appealing to impose the HEW plan.

In the process of the appeal, the Justice Department will disavow that plan.

Then it restates your position on busing, which is you're against busing.

You will enforce the law to the extent that you must.

But then you have instructed Justice and H.E.W.

to work with school districts to eliminate busing to the maximum extent possible.

Well, John, it's the right decision.

And we'll go over that in a minute.

I don't know if it is enough to satisfy the school district, but there are other ways not to go so far as ATW.

Am I wrong or not?

No, you're right.

You're right.

And if I'm wrong, I don't want to make people do it.

Did you find out what the Atlanta got to make people do it?

Well, who the hell is down there doing this?

We ran into it.

We got into a big argument with Mr. Bridges, who says, you know, my people are all right.

And Morgan, who said, Mr. Secretary, you know what's going on in your own department.

You've got guys in there you should fire.

And finally, I said, well, if you tell me who they are, I'm going to work on it.

And I said, out of Dallas, man, it's got to be handled here in the home office.

And they told me something that I didn't know about in Dallas.

We're not in the Dallas area.

And that's a case between the Inc. Funds and the NAACP and the Dallas School District.

The federal government isn't even in it.

And there was a ruling in that case yesterday that crazed it to the effect that in Dallas, the district judge down there held that black kids get a day off every week from school.

They have a four-day school week in black schools and they go to a white school one day a week.

It's just ridiculous, ridiculous.

So, the NAACP will appeal that.

We're not in it.

I propose we don't intervene.

We should stay the hell away from it.

No, no, no, no.

But they seem to have to intervene in order to get control of it.

But I think we should stay as far away from that thing as we can.

As parents versus school, isn't it?

He's a good man, but he knows how strong my feelings are.

And also, Elliot's got to know his working.

Let him go down there and get bloody done.

We just have had a very good session, which I said, look, we can all be southern chairmen.

There after all, this is a big signal that we have deep political problems, and it isn't going to go away.

We've got to solve them.

And this is where we're going to solve them.

So he's a boy.

All right.

Well, you know the idea, John.

We've had to discuss it.

And I'll bet you what happens is he comes right over here to the Democratic campaign and supports him.

Do you think he would?

I think so.

I must guess by a hundred.

By a hundred.

That it'll be, that they're currently running so deep at that time, and particularly if Connelly is in the race, so that Texas is... Maybe John.

Maybe John.

is that if you do it sooner, then you're in every damn school to attend all the next summer.

Well, and we're in legislatures, and the issue of ratification is up, and it's just a big problem.

And keep it out of the convention.

We can put a bussing plank in our platform that is right along this line.

Well, I wouldn't be surprised.

We may get some form right out, but by then we should have developed enough in the way of polling information that you'd be able to persuade everybody to change that.

Now, if I had a question on this tomorrow, I'm going to turn it over to you.

I'm going to turn it over to you.

Nevertheless, if you want to do, I'm going to turn it over to you.

Yes, it is consistent with the law.

Yes, it is.

The court does not require busing, correct?

That's right.

Does it?

No.

In fact, it doesn't require racial violence, does it?

It does.

Yes, it does require racial violence in the sense of the elimination of racially-adopted schools.

Now, it says busing may be

certain appropriate circumstances.

One way to achieve that end, but it does not require question.

That's the way all that stuff will not be, and I think it was good.

Well, let me read you this, because I think it's about...

I've heard what you do, John, but I didn't mean to send it over.

All right.

We've got some other Q&A to send to you on this general subject, too.

Not too much, because I don't want to study too much, but I don't have the time.

All right.

How did Joyce get him into discussions?

Did they have him speak?

Did he contribute?

Oh, very much so.

Of course, this is home territory to him.

He knows the names of the great ones.

I mean, we would never have won Lockheed without him.

I'm sure of that.

He played with Amanda, and Arne, and Kristen came on.

He was a master of them all.

We wouldn't have won him.

I'm convinced that we would have had him say, a year ago, we would have probably won H. Roy.

He just said, I don't know, he said, this guy wants something from the Treasury, and I'm holding it up.

He just played with fishes.

Well, and he got some of the other departments entered, too.

He had Marlow Cook hung up on some housing deal he wanted, and he had Peter Flanagan play Cook very well, you know, during the time.

It was really something.