{"conversationCode":"271-001","tapeNumber":271,"conversationNumber":1,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-271-001","startDateTime":"1971-08-04T12:37:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-08-04T14:10:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Aug-1971","startTime":"8:37 AM","endDate":"4-Aug-1971","endTime":"10:10 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"[Unknown person(s)];","description":"On August 4, 1971, unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 8:37 am and 10:10 am. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 271-001 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 271-1\n\nDate: August 4, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 8:37 am and 10:10 am\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nAn unknown man and woman met.\n\n**********************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Non-historical]\n[Duration: 21s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n**********************************************************************\n\nThe unknown man and woman left at an unknown time before 10:10 am.","filename":["271-001-splice.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:48:01","tapeEnd":"02:05:11","participantsList":["[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"270-016","nextCode":"271-002","aiSummary":{"text":"This meeting between an unknown man and woman in the President's office focused on economic conditions and public perception. Key topics included the sluggishness of certain economic sectors like retail and automobile sales, contrasting with positive indicators. There was discussion about managing public relations, specifically how to present economic facts to the press and influential individuals, with a mention of John Connally's comments and potential meetings with Treasury Secretary George Shultz and others. An action item involved finding out specific economic figures and understanding the rationale behind certain recommendations.","topics":["Economy","Public Relations","John Connally","George Shultz","Economic Indicators","Press Management","Retail Sales","Automobile Sales"],"generatedAt":"2026-10-27T14:57:13.955Z"},"topicSlugs":["economy","public-relations","john-b-connally","george-p-shultz","economic-indicators","press-management","retail-sales","automobile-sales"],"audioDurationSec":1033,"audioFiles":[{"file":"271-001-splice.mp3","bytes":16536181,"durationSec":1033.48,"bitrate":128003,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-10-27T08:05:00.997Z","originalFilename":["271a.mp3","271b.mp3","271c.mp3"],"spliceSource":{"spliceType":"bigtape","sourceFiles":["271b.mp3"],"cutStart":11705.02,"cutEnd":12738.5,"adjustedStart":11705.02,"adjustedEnd":12738.5,"boundaryMethod":"llm-alignment","confidence":"high","splicedAt":"2026-10-27T08:05:00.997Z"},"transcript":[{"start":11706.02,"end":11709.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"They all set for this, end of the day?"},{"start":11709.02,"end":11712.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Okay, what time did he [unintelligible] 7:30?"},{"start":11720.02,"end":11722.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"All right."},{"start":11728.02,"end":11730.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":11730.02,"end":11734.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Think that they can meet there and have no problems."},{"start":11734.02,"end":11736.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"And I'll step out of there."},{"start":11736.02,"end":11739.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":11742.02,"end":11744.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Good."},{"start":11749.02,"end":11751.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Fine."},{"start":11752.02,"end":11755.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"All right, [unintelligible]"},{"start":11755.02,"end":11758.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Oh, one thing, can you check when he calls me back?"},{"start":11758.02,"end":11762.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"I think that the, what what what, didn't the ADD help [unintelligible]"},{"start":11763.02,"end":11771.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"recommend that we both [unintelligible] have the L level to [unintelligible] had other figures?"},{"start":11771.02,"end":11777.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Well find out what it was, somebody recommended that that L level [unintelligible] that's George, somebody when he calls back."},{"start":11778.02,"end":11784.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":11789.02,"end":11795.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":11800.02,"end":11802.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":11810.02,"end":11815.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Well, I heard that, you know, they see how things go."},{"start":11815.02,"end":11819.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"The secretary is terribly upset over it."},{"start":11831.02,"end":11832.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":11833.02,"end":11835.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":11836.02,"end":11840.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"What's the feeling about, I got, I read in the summary, what's the feeling [unintelligible]"},{"start":11840.02,"end":11848.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":11848.02,"end":11852.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":11853.02,"end":11859.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":11869.02,"end":11872.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Sure."},{"start":11880.02,"end":11882.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"They may have."},{"start":11884.02,"end":11885.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":11888.02,"end":11893.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Well, dear, whether we go or not [unintelligible]"},{"start":11914.02,"end":11918.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":11924.02,"end":11929.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Now I think they [unintelligible]"},{"start":11929.02,"end":11936.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible] said in the summary and I didn't get it [unintelligible]"},{"start":11936.02,"end":11940.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Connally's comments. I was curious what he told them and how he did that."},{"start":11940.02,"end":11942.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"They're also running a lead sheet for that."},{"start":11942.02,"end":11948.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"They didn't just seem like one, a, one record night."},{"start":11948.02,"end":11955.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"I rather wonder if we, why something hasn't come over yet, whether, whether Connolly himself,"},{"start":11955.02,"end":11962.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"they don't feel I guess they have the oxygen to wait, maybe they feel"},{"start":11962.02,"end":11968.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"that's part of the whole problem, maybe they feel [unintelligible]"},{"start":11968.02,"end":11973.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"not necessarily."},{"start":11973.02,"end":11975.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Good."},{"start":11975.02,"end":11981.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Whenever I suggested something, whenever I said we talk to someone who will,"},{"start":11981.02,"end":11985.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"but I can't do that, you see."},{"start":12012.02,"end":12014.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":12020.02,"end":12022.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":12022.02,"end":12023.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":12024.02,"end":12026.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Right, right."},{"start":12039.02,"end":12040.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":12041.02,"end":12043.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":12045.02,"end":12047.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Right."},{"start":12050.02,"end":12059.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"The thing about the, thing about how the economy is doing, generally you hardly hear, they don't get they say, always they always think it's bad."},{"start":12059.02,"end":12060.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"You know."},{"start":12061.02,"end":12067.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Some of it's bad, some of it's good, and yeah it's not bad."},{"start":12067.02,"end":12070.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Another, another thing, it's true about it, so"},{"start":12070.02,"end":12072.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":12073.02,"end":12079.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Well they're not all bad either. They're just sluggish, you know."},{"start":12079.02,"end":12081.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":12081.02,"end":12090.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Some of the commercial things, retail sales, government [unintelligible] retail sales, automobile sales, truck sales."},{"start":12092.02,"end":12094.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":12101.02,"end":12103.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"strong, good."},{"start":12119.02,"end":12120.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":12121.02,"end":12127.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Well look what you've got on, you've got the Shane problem."},{"start":12127.02,"end":12134.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"See the, they're greedy and uh, what should we do?"},{"start":12134.02,"end":12141.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"That's a very nice idea and this area is really still out."},{"start":12141.02,"end":12152.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Probably the uh, 48 Peters and if it is place, we're going to have about a couple of people down there for a cocktail or my boss or maybe they can get the whole hotel."},{"start":12153.02,"end":12159.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"And then give the facts, at least some of them who write every day, it's like supporters that are writing articles today,"},{"start":12159.02,"end":12168.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"and let them get the facts and our people here, Shultz, McCracken and all the rest of them"},{"start":12168.02,"end":12171.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"having to meet you at the pastor's or in the whole room,"},{"start":12172.02,"end":12173.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"you see,"},{"start":12174.02,"end":12176.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"and Peters and McCracken,"},{"start":12177.02,"end":12180.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"go up and go up and hear them say, \"all right now here are the facts,"},{"start":12189.02,"end":12196.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah. I think, for example, the finding of the meeting probably have not been doing that, doing the fact instead of talking to council."},{"start":12196.02,"end":12203.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":12204.02,"end":12206.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"but"},{"start":12206.02,"end":12207.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":12207.02,"end":12210.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Right. But I think this, I think"},{"start":12210.02,"end":12211.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"but"},{"start":12211.02,"end":12214.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"you see, the point is they should be talking about the economy."},{"start":12214.02,"end":12216.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"instead of Capcom."},{"start":12216.02,"end":12217.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":12217.02,"end":12221.02,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah, and then the other, see the other things, not on Capcom"},{"start":12221.72,"end":12239.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"another thing. I think the more important thing, though, is doing the individuals. Except for about 40 or 50 top individuals who just have such prominence, period, get questioned every single day, and that's why I suggest to Steve how [unintelligible]"},{"start":12239.72,"end":12257.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"I get the morning one, and that's about the only one I get, the story in general. [unintelligible] nobody followed up on this. We're meeting we're doing a meeting every week, or ten days, or whatever she happens to do. But, uh there's usually all [unintelligible]"},{"start":12257.72,"end":12270.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"They just got to be back. 13.9 to 13.0, you know, a fall. That's right here. So, I'm sure he wants to follow up. But I think the history has been very good. The other thing, too, is that we have to realize that there is a difference"},{"start":12270.72,"end":12289.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible] some [unintelligible] I'm sure you do, too. This is the Democratic politicians [unintelligible] These people are anchored by [unintelligible] the floor [unintelligible] that's the way honest, honest people think, too. Now, you got [unintelligible]"},{"start":12289.72,"end":12308.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible] that could be that the honest people [unintelligible] I agree [unintelligible]"},{"start":12308.72,"end":12326.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":12326.72,"end":12342.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Sure. But there's one thing, though, It's like Stevenson [unintelligible]"},{"start":12342.72,"end":12356.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":12356.72,"end":12364.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":12364.72,"end":12383.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Well, they [unintelligible] this party, Mr. Chairman, was should be finer. I'd be right tomorrow [unintelligible] Get off the record. Get off the record, Mr. Chairman. Get off. You're fired. You got one issue that's become violent, violent, violently"},{"start":12383.72,"end":12403.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"that the damn thing, all the time [unintelligible] It took an hour to explain my phone call. You can't second-guess somebody from 300 yards. They're crying shame. That's 30 yards. Yes, maybe you have to wait for a special fan, but don't get into the aircraft. Get off the aircraft, you see."},{"start":12403.72,"end":12415.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Take care. There's no one here for us. Orders are to that."},{"start":12415.72,"end":12418.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."},{"start":12418.72,"end":12426.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah. Well, you find out about that uh, tomorrow."},{"start":12426.72,"end":12433.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Okay. [unintelligible]"},{"start":12433.72,"end":12451.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Well, the tide turns, err, there [unintelligible] question that the greatest personal job that has ever happened to a great individual. Err, I don't I'm not about to question whether at this point, we're starting heavy down on the jab of the press."},{"start":12451.72,"end":12464.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Why shouldn't, uh, why shouldn't somebody [unintelligible] I think it's I agree that we're coming prepared, like Connally doesn't like Shultz shouldn't wait, right?"},{"start":12464.72,"end":12468.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Fine. Right."},{"start":12468.72,"end":12474.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"And then the job [unintelligible]"},{"start":12502.72,"end":12507.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah. Hello."},{"start":12507.72,"end":12513.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Hi, [unintelligible] Yeah."},{"start":12555.72,"end":12575.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"5.8. That's the definite figure. Yeah, fine. You don't think there's a chance Well, then, that's roughly about 40,000 [unintelligible] An interesting thing I noticed, rather, was that thing all being [unintelligible] 60%"},{"start":12595.72,"end":12599.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Carl Shurtz in us."},{"start":12607.72,"end":12616.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Sure. All right."},{"start":12616.72,"end":12622.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":12653.72,"end":12657.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Where at 126.2?"},{"start":12674.72,"end":12692.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"No, I I don't see it from Just hand, and then so I don't have Well, I think I can tell from the look it's uh, somewhat that's uh,"},{"start":12692.72,"end":12700.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"yeah, it's uh, probably [unintelligible] Yeah, [unintelligible]"},{"start":12700.72,"end":12707.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Fine."},{"start":12732.72,"end":12736.72,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"[unintelligible]"},{"start":12736.72,"end":12738.52,"speaker":"Unknown","text":"Yeah."}],"transcriptCreatedAt":"2026-10-27T14:42:37.565Z","transcriptModel":"google/gemini-3.8-flash","transcriptSource":"audio-llm","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/271-001-splice.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/271-001","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/271/conversation-271-001","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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