{"conversationCode":"271-006","tapeNumber":271,"conversationNumber":6,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-271-006","startDateTime":"1971-08-04T14:25:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-08-04T14:35:00.000Z","startDate":"4-Aug-1971","startTime":"10:25 AM","endDate":"4-Aug-1971","endTime":"10:35 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Buchanan, Patrick J.;","description":"On August 4, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Patrick J. Buchanan met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 10:25 am to 10:35 am. 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Ziegler\n         -Forthcoming press conference\n               -Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW] and Justice Department\n                     -Plan\n                     -Supreme Court\n               -President’s view\n                     -Austin case\n                     -Supreme court\n                     -HEW plan\n                     -Supreme Court\n                           -Interpretation\n               -Austin, Texas\n               -Possible answer\n\n     National economy\n          -News magazines\n                -Hugh S. Sidey\n                -Henry A. Kissinger\n                -Issues\n                      -Vietnam War\n                      -Democrats\n                            -Hubert H. Humphrey\n                      -Vietnam War\n                      -Economy\n                      -Polls\n                      -Summit\n          -News media\n                -Impact on public\n                -Indicators\n                      -Unemployment\n                            -Paul A. Samuelson\n                      -Retail sales\n                      -Housing\n                      -Construction\n                      -Inventory levels\n                      -Unemployment\n                            -Rate\n                            -Youth\n                                  -Summer employment\n                            -Decline\n                            -Compared to early 1960's\n                            -Instruction for Buchanan\n\nBuchanan left at 10:35 am.","filename":["271-006-splice.mp3"],"tapeStart":"03:41:08","tapeEnd":"04:08:41","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Buchanan, Patrick J."],"prevCode":"271-005","nextCode":"271-007","tapeTranscriptFile":"271a.mp3,271b.mp3,271c.mp3","transcript":[{"start":13370.26,"end":13370.6,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":13370.62,"end":13370.74,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":13370.76,"end":13370.86,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":13370.88,"end":13371.02,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":13371.06,"end":13371.22,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":13371.24,"end":13371.34,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":13400,"end":13402.89,"text":"yeah okay one thing of interest is the school buses"},{"start":13425.91,"end":13426.91,"text":"Well, the question is"},{"start":13457,"end":13457.02,"text":"."},{"start":13457.04,"end":13457.06,"text":"."},{"start":13457.08,"end":13457.1,"text":"."},{"start":13457.12,"end":13457.14,"text":"."},{"start":13457.16,"end":13457.18,"text":"."},{"start":13499.35,"end":13501.23,"text":"Well, the busing thing was a hell of a, it was an awesome stretch of dirt on the field."},{"start":13501.25,"end":13514.1,"text":"It was a hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard, hard,"},{"start":13529.81,"end":13530.31,"text":"I'm setting it today."},{"start":13530.33,"end":13530.67,"text":"It's a blessing."},{"start":13530.69,"end":13531.07,"text":"It's a blessing."},{"start":13531.09,"end":13531.59,"text":"You got that court wrong."},{"start":13531.61,"end":13531.99,"text":"Don't you think so?"},{"start":13532.01,"end":13532.13,"text":"It is."},{"start":13532.15,"end":13532.75,"text":"But the court's watching it."},{"start":13532.77,"end":13532.91,"text":"I know."},{"start":13532.93,"end":13534.69,"text":"I just think it would be helpful if they could get the court to take a decision."},{"start":13576.67,"end":13582.72,"text":"The Supreme Court does not mandate the use of muscle."},{"start":13582.8,"end":13584.17,"text":"No, it doesn't."},{"start":13584.19,"end":13586.71,"text":"Again, it allows the use of muscle."},{"start":13586.73,"end":13589.68,"text":"It allows it, but it does not mandate it."},{"start":13609.38,"end":13609.6,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":13717.35,"end":13721.81,"text":"You know, part of that, Pat, is a very, I'm sure you see the reason, that after the economic crisis, as far as the regionality is concerned, it's exciting to talk to Henry Henry, who's a very interesting observation."},{"start":13746.42,"end":13747.46,"text":"I was frustrated with my head against the wall."},{"start":13747.48,"end":13748.2,"text":"I didn't think more than that."},{"start":13748.22,"end":13750.64,"text":"I was just curious because they had them down on the ground, and they were frustrated because the war is bound down now."},{"start":13750.66,"end":13751.7,"text":"They said they've got a meeting from Massachusetts."},{"start":13751.72,"end":13752.34,"text":"I thought it was so important."},{"start":13771.99,"end":13776.45,"text":"So, I think what has happened, what happens now, not only to the Democrats, but to the side of the Senate, like the 800, the magazine people say now, have you noticed how they moved almost truly off the board?"},{"start":13776.47,"end":13776.75,"text":"Now it's gone."},{"start":13776.77,"end":13776.87,"text":"Gone."},{"start":13776.89,"end":13776.99,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":13777.01,"end":13777.69,"text":"And they moved on to the economy."},{"start":13777.71,"end":13777.91,"text":"Too smart."},{"start":13777.93,"end":13779.69,"text":"The difficulty with that, that, of course, is that, as a person, it's almost fatalistic."},{"start":13779.71,"end":13780.35,"text":"Economies are not changed by..."},{"start":13801.43,"end":13802.15,"text":"That's probably the important thing."},{"start":13802.19,"end":13802.77,"text":"He talked to the boarder."},{"start":13802.83,"end":13803.29,"text":"He said, we call on us."},{"start":13803.31,"end":13803.65,"text":"Look at that guy."},{"start":13826.83,"end":13843.14,"text":"uh if you get the the statistics all turned around and they all start going up that won't happen this month the other one"},{"start":13853.45,"end":13857.21,"text":"There's a period of spring where we have more of the economy."},{"start":13857.23,"end":13860.55,"text":"There's a point where things are turning around."},{"start":13860.61,"end":13869.9,"text":"A few of the commentators, the more realistic ones, are saying, well, it looks like they may be able to put out an economic issue."},{"start":13870.06,"end":13872.66,"text":"Then they start to leave as soon as they saw these things."},{"start":13872.68,"end":13873.22,"text":"They're frenetic."},{"start":13873.4,"end":13876.12,"text":"They're going into these latest statistics."},{"start":13876.24,"end":13879.28,"text":"And the latest statistics, they're ignoring retail sales."},{"start":13879.32,"end":13880.9,"text":"They're ignoring housing."},{"start":13880.96,"end":13882.58,"text":"They're ignoring construction."},{"start":13883.27,"end":13885.19,"text":"that are in low inventory, which of course have darned full ."},{"start":13885.21,"end":13885.89,"text":"They'll probably pick up ."},{"start":13885.93,"end":13889.65,"text":"That was an aberration, the fact that it was taken first before all the kids came out."},{"start":13889.69,"end":13889.97,"text":"But ."},{"start":13913.01,"end":13913.99,"text":"So it's still, it's still ."},{"start":13914.01,"end":13915.59,"text":"That's what I, that's what most people ."},{"start":13915.65,"end":13916.95,"text":"But you see that's, that shows depth ."},{"start":13917.03,"end":13917.85,"text":"And it's gonna continue to go."},{"start":13917.89,"end":13919.27,"text":"And there's some people who say it's gonna go to 7%, 8%."},{"start":13919.29,"end":13919.59,"text":"And in 1961, ."},{"start":13939.07,"end":13940.85,"text":"I agree with you."},{"start":13940.91,"end":13942.12,"text":"I agree with you."},{"start":13942.64,"end":13945.48,"text":"When it comes in, just crack it all the time."},{"start":13945.7,"end":13946.52,"text":"Okay."},{"start":13947.12,"end":13947.54,"text":"Thank you."}],"transcriptBoundary":{"start":13370.41,"end":13947.97,"startMethod":"llm-alignment","endMethod":"llm-alignment"},"transcriptConfidence":"medium","transcriptSource":"bigtape","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Patrick J. 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