{"conversationCode":"274-013","tapeNumber":274,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-274-013","startDateTime":"1971-08-16T19:01:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-08-16T19:37:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Aug-1971","startTime":"3:01 PM","endDate":"16-Aug-1971","endTime":"3:37 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;","description":"On August 16, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander M. Haig, Jr. met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 3:01 pm and 3:37 pm. 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Nixon expressed concern regarding the duration of potential talks, cautioning against being drawn into an unproductive dialogue that might leave the administration vulnerable to military provocation. 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