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Start Date: 8-Sep-1971 3:26 PM

End Date: 8-Sep-1971 5:10 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ehrlichman, John D.[Unknown person(s)]

Recording Device: Old Executive Office Building

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:12:19

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:50:39

274a.mp3

274b.mp3

274c.mp3

NARA Description:

On September 8, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:26 pm to 5:10 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 274-044 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 274-44

Date: September 8, 1971
Time: 3:26 pm - 5:10 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman.

     Busing
          -John N. Mitchell
               -Edward L. Morgan
                    -Austin case
               -Possible meeting with Ehrlichman

     Anti-trust
          -Richard W. McLaren
                -Airlines
                -Possible resignation
                      -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                      -Ralph Nader
                      -Position
                            -American Bar Association [ABA]
                      -Replacement
                      -Anti-trust issues
                            -Forthcoming study
                                  -Webb-Pomerene Act
                                  -Anti-trust of Department of Justice [DOJ]
                      -Webb-Pomerene
                            -Cartels
                                  -Peter G. Peterson
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                        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                   Tape Subject Log
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                                                                  Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.)


                   -Replacement
                   -Mitchell


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
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    Busing
         -Mitchell
              -President’s objectives compared with DOJ’s
         -Austin case
              -Appeal
                    -Mexican-American schools
                          -De jure segregation
                    -Morgan
                    -Possible political impact
                          -National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
                                [NAACP]
                          -Civil rights cases
                          -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW] and DOJ
                          -DOJ
                                -David L. Norman
                                      -Jerris Leonard
                          -Morgan’s view
                                -Regional director of HEW a Justice Department lawyer
                                      -Choice
                    -Brief
         -Press
         -Circuit Court ruling
              -Supreme Court
              -Morgan
         -Edmund S. Muskie
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                           Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.)


          -Haldeman
          -Letters
                -Prince George's County, Maryland
                -Jim Naughton article in New York Times
          -The South
                -Federal money
     -Amendment
          -Howard H. Baker, Jr.
     -George P. Shultz
          -Austin
                -Mitchell
     -Procedures
          -Possible meeting with the President
                -Mitchell and Ehrlichman

Airlines
      -Haldeman

Office of Intergovernmental Relations
     -Ehrlichman's talks with Spiro T. Agnew
            -Director
            -Agnew
                 -Relationship with Democratic governors
                      -Unknown people

Agnew
    -Senate
    -National Security Council [NSC]
    -Concern
          -Staying informed
    -Ehrlichman’s view
    -Compared with John B. Connally
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                                    Tape Subject Log
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 2
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[Duration: 30s ]


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         -Connally
             -State Department
             -Vice President
                   -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
                   -Portfolio
                   -Senate
                   -Constitutional duty


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[Duration: 2m 51s ]


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         -Princeton University student body president
               -Letter
               -Conversation with Ehrlichman
                     -Campus residence
                         -Yale University
         -Connally
         -Personality
               -Bearing
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                                    Tape Subject Log
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                                                              Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.)


         -Possible residency
         -Events
                     -Preference


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
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[Duration: 2m 23s ]


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    Appointment
        -Phillip V. Sanchez
              -Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
              -Background
                    -Fresno

    Support for the President
        -Sanchez
        -Thomas W. Fletcher, Sr.
        -Sidney P. Marland, Jr.
               -Commissioner of Education
        -Busing
               -Warren E. Burger
        -Marland
               -Relationship between busing and education
               -Letter from the President
        -Sanchez
               -Letter from the President
        -Marland
               -James E. Allen, Jr.
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.)


Austin busing issue
     -Mitchell
           -Justice Department lawyers
Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
     -J. Edgar Hoover
           -Retirement
                 -Ehrlichman's call to Haldeman
                 -Mitchell
                 -Delay
                       -Consequence
                 -Age
                 -Patrick L. Gray, III
                       -Mitchell
                 -Meeting with the President
                 -Possible position
                       -Consultant
                 -William C. Sullivan
                 -Dinner
                 -Medal of Freedom

House Resolution [H. R.] 2
    -Congressional questions
          -President's conversation with F. Edward Hébert
                -Melvin R. Laird
                      -Meeting with Gerald R. Ford and Hébert
                           -Pentagon Papers
                           -Call from the President
                                 -Hébert request
    -HEW
    -Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
    -Ehrlichman's talk with Laird

Legislation
     -Elliot L. Richardson
           -Talks with Ehrlichman
           -President’s forthcoming speech to Congress
                 -Revenue sharing, H.R. 1
     -Richard P. Nathan
           -OMB
           -HEW
                 -New position
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                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                              Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.)


                          -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger
                          -Announcement
          -Agenda
               -Russell B. Long
          -Senate Finance Committee
          -HEW
               -H R 1

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 3:26..

     Refreshments

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 5:10 pm.

     H.R. 1
          -Wilbur D. Mills
          -Speech
               -Nathan ("Nick") K. Kotz
               -Washington Post
          -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan
               -Talk with Ehrlichman
                      -Revenue sharing
                           -Congress
          -Meeting with Long
               -Richardson
               -Mills
               -Welfare action
               -Hearings
               -Richardson's memo

     Busing
          -San Francisco
          -Michigan
          -Burger
          -George C. Wallace
          -President’s position
          -Wallace
                -Bureaucrats
          -Executive branch action
          -Burger
                -Courts
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                Tape Subject Log
                                  (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.)


                -Judges
                     -Democrats
     -Courts
           -Hugo Black
           -William O. Douglas
           -Election
           -Supreme Court
                 -Justices’ deaths
                       -Thurgood Marshall
                       -John M. Harlan
     -Morgan
           -Mitchell
     -Future
     -Egil G. (“Bud”) Krogh
           -Narcotics assignment
           -Daniel Ellsberg
           -Declassification
           -Meeting with Ehrlichman

Ehrlichman's schedule
      -General Counsel from the Department of Defense [J. Fred Buzhardt]
      -Robert C. Mardian
      -Unknown man from the State Department
      -Krogh
      -David R. Young, Jr.

Pentagon Papers
     -Ellsberg
           -Changes
           -New York Times
           -Leslie H. Gelb
                 -Brookings Institution
                 -Henry A. Kissinger
           -Morton H. Halperin
           -FBI
           -Department of Defense investigators
           -New York Times
           -Gelb
     -Brookings Institution
           -Gordon Gray
                 -Executive committee
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                        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                   Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. 10/06)
                                                                   Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.)


                    -Krogh
                    -Young
                    -Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board [FIAB] meeting
         -Los Angeles
              -Investigation
              -Activities
         -Columnists
              -Jerald terHorst
                    -Conspiracy information
                    -Ellsberg lawyer
                    -Bay of Pigs
              -terHorst
         -Bay of Pigs documents
              -Richard M. Helms
                    -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA] resistance
                    -Allen W. Dulles
                    -Knowledge
                    -Reasons for CIA resistance
                    -Ellsberg group’s knowledge
                    -Ngo Dinh Diem assassination
                          -Release of information
                                -Timing
                                      -Vietnam elections

    Camp Pendleton Beach
        -Execution of lease
             -Story release
        -Nixon Foundation land
             -Legal opinion
             -Legislation
             -House
             -Armed Services Committee
                  -F. Edward Hébert
                  -Land
                         -Timing


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[Personal Returnable]
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                                       Tape Subject Log
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                                                                       Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.)


[Duration: 40s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6

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             -Edward C. Nixon
                 -Securities and Exchange Commission [SEC]
                       -Herbert W. Kalmbach
                       -J. William Middendorf, II
                             -Netherlands


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 8
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[Duration: 11s ]


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     Press
             -Los Angeles Times story
                  -Charles G. (“Bebe”) Rebozo
             -Newsday story
                  -Possible questions
                       -Possible administration response
                             -John W. Dean, III's associate
                                   -Rebozo
                                   -Rebozo and George A. Smathers
                                        -The President
                                              -Interests
                                              -Small Business Administration [SBA]
                                              -Fisher’s Island stock
                                              -Smathers
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                                   Tape Subject Log
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                                                                   Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.)


                                                 -Bay Lane house
                              -Ehrlichman’s advice
                              -Fisher's Island
                                     -Rebozo
                                     -Stock value
                              -Smathers
                                     -Government
                                     -Fisher's Island
                                     -Key Biscayne
                                     -Coco Lobo
                              -Edward O. Sullivan, III case
                              -Smathers and Rebozo
        -Los Angeles Times story
             -Investigation
                   -William Moyers
                   -Phillip Edward Gutman [?]
             -Carl Greenberg
                   -Managing editor
             -Rebozo
             -White House action
             -Rebozo
             -Smathers
                   -Lyndon B. Johnson
                         -Robert D. (“Bobby”) Baker
             -Fisher's Island
        -Newsday story
             -Possible administration response
                   -President’s costs
                         -Law firm
                         -Fisher's Island
                         -Stocks
                         -New York apartment
                         -Law firm
                              -Haldeman


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 9
[Privacy]
[Duration: 1m 42s ]
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    Press inquiries
          -San Clemente
               -Kalmbach
               -Title
                      -Title Insurance Trust Bank
                            -Rocco C. Siciliano
                            -Press inquiries
               -Rebozo
               -Partnership
                      -Response to press inquiries
                      -Ownership
                            -House and immediate grounds
                            -Trusts
                      -Ehrlichman’s comments to press
               -Foundation
               -Golf
                      -Orange County, California
               -Foundation
               -Possible responses
               -Ronald L. Ziegler
               -Dean
               -Value
               -Rebozo
               -Robert H. Abplanalp
               -Disclosure of information
               -Ziegler
          -Johnson residence
          -Dwight D. Eisenhower residence
          -Possible approach to Congress
               -Hébert
               -Abplanalp
               -Rebozo
               -Uses for land
                      -Foundation
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                            Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. 10/06)
                                                     Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.)


           -Houses
-Kalmbach
-[Forename unknown] Almore
-Tenancy
-Foundation
-Hotel
      -San Clemente
-Golf course
-Profit
-Investment
-Government
      -Question
-Johnson
-Development
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
      -Property question
-Tax shelter
-Dean
      -Announcement
-Foundation site
      -Irvine and Whittier Colleges
            -Speculation
      -The President’s view
            -Responses
-Lyndon B. Johnson
-Dwight D. Eisenhower
-John F. Kennedy
-Key Biscayne
      -Rebozo
            -Press inquiries
      -Smathers
            -Divorce
      -Rebozo
      -Fisher Island
      -Profit
      -Additions
      -Stock
            -Press inquiries
            -Trustee
            -Interest
            -Purchases
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
                                   (rev. 10/06)
                                                           Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.)


                 -Press inquiries
                       -The President’s response
           -Rebozo
           -Smathers
                 -Divorce
                       -Public records
                       -Sons
                       -Property settlement
           -Bay Lane property
                 -Government leasing
                       -Abplanalp
                       -Secret Service
                       -White House Communications Agency [WHCA]
           -Johnson experience
           -Helicopter pad
     -Hannah Nixon's house
           -Worth
     -The President’s worth
           -Effect of government service
     -California
           -San Clemente
                 -Value
     -Sullivan case
           -Theodore Roosevelt
           -Libel
     -Fisher Island
           -Stockholders option
           -Rebozo

Contributors
     -White House investigation
           -Hubert H. Humphrey
           -Edmund S. Muskie
     -Internal Revenue Service [IRS] past investigations
           -Abplanalp
           -Hobart D. (“Hobe”) Lewis
           -John Wayne
                -Paul Keyes
                -Barry M. Goldwater
     -New IRS Commissioner
           -Audits
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                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/06)
                                                                Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.)


                -IRS
           -The President
                -1962 taxes
           -John N. Mitchell
           -IRS
                -Muskie
                -Humphrey
           -Investigations
                -Edward M. Kennedy
                       -Pakistan
                       -Investigation
                            -Hawaii
                       -Convention
                       -Hawaii
                       -Hyannis
           -Muskie
                -Lifestyle
                -Family
           -Kennedy
                -Chappaquiddick
                       -Use of
                -Divorce
                       -Nelson A. Rockefeller's divorce
                       -Nicholas P. Thimmesch


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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 12
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[Duration: 8m 13s ]


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Ehrlichman left at 5:10 pm.
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
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                                                                      Conv. No. 274-44 (cont.)