Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 275-008
Date: Tuesday, September 7, 1971 at 12:30 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.
Recording device: Old Executive Office Building
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/275-008
National Archives Catalog: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/417184151 (NAID 417184151)

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[0:00] All right.
[0:02] That's good.
[0:03] It's all set now for a total of 12 snooze.
[0:05] It's the fastest.
[0:08] The only thing they understand is the capacity.
[0:11] You know, when... That's a brilliant call, man.
[0:14] Your instinct of not calling him 24 hours later but not calling him at all was right.
[0:21] You called me in.
[0:25] Remember, he called me three days later.
[0:27] He called me three days later and he said, well, why didn't you call me?
[0:29] I said, you know, I'll take it strictly off the record.
[0:33] I hope you record it.
[0:36] Just to be a lesson to the State Department.
[0:39] I just want you to know what the President said to me.
[0:43] He said to me, can't these guys ever do anything?
[0:47] Can't they ever do anything?
[0:51] And that's why within 10 hours they accepted the day.
[0:54] And now that I've offered this new communique, which you may not, just not accept it.
[1:06] And much better.
[1:07] It doesn't show who invited the moment.
[1:10] That's just to create a new Moscow.
[1:12] And it doesn't say, also, I'd like ideas.
[1:14] We will visit Moscow.
[1:16] It may have sounds if they had summoned you.
[1:18] Sure.
[1:20] And very much better.
[1:20] And also, I like the idea that it shows that progress has been made in our country.
[1:23] It follows up to that thing I said about the equal degree until we made progress.
[1:31] I've been saying a very personal commitment.
[1:35] There'd be no summit until we had some progress.
[1:38] And that's why it's the Apollo with the Berlin thing, the Apollo Earth.
[1:40] And it's a better state than the Chinese one.
[1:44] I'll tell you how we won't say we accept it.
[1:48] What is your situation with regard to that?
[1:56] That's why the announcement of this announcement will be made at noon here at 8 o'clock in the afternoon.
[2:04] This is so easy to have questions on.
[2:18] I'm really good at that.
[2:20] That will override everything.
[2:21] It gives me a chance to get a cheap shot at it.
[2:25] I'm so flabbergasted about it.
[2:29] You just have that in mind.
[2:33] All you have to do with your staff is to prepare half a dozen questions in there.
[2:46] And I'll just walk out and I'll let them tell me.
[2:48] I'll be the only one that answers your questions.
[2:54] I have to know.
[2:55] I'll be the only one that answers your questions.
[3:00] And so many others.
[3:01] And it'll override all the other news.
[3:02] I don't know.
[3:03] I think there's a lot to be said.
[3:06] Now, coming out of yesterday's show, you'll go to get your picture.
[3:12] Thank you.
[3:12] That's a Chinese man.
[3:13] I put it up to my business because I thought,
[3:15] If I'm not speaking, it was a Japanese dinner.
[3:19] I didn't know this.
[3:21] They both draw on this, and Alex does wonder whether you could have Fukuda in a town when I was in Georgia, actually.
[3:30] And Alex thinks it would be good if I participated, actually, if I'm speaking.
[3:33] Yeah, actually.
[3:34] And of course, I don't think the language will work.
[3:37] I'm speaking from a foreign language, so it's a good practice.
[3:41] I'm not going to do it.
[3:48] The issue in which I needed to speak, Mr. President, was this representation issue.
[3:53] It's now the judgment of state, and I've checked it with George Bush, and I'm sure that he shared it.
[4:05] Unless the war in favor of decent getting the security passes, we won't be able to see the security passes.
[4:15] They wanted to send a cable over to begin.
[4:17] Now, you know what they could do to the right.
[4:20] We wouldn't just act the estimate, but we'd both agree to it.
[4:27] It means that the tie-on would be expressed.
[4:33] We do do it at 60-50 chance that it could be saved, but we cannot tell you in good conscience that it doesn't.
[4:39] 60 could tell us that it is to save that thing called some of the right-wing senators.
[4:48] We don't come out permanently for their expelling.
[5:03] They will be expelled in the center of the center.
[5:11] I'm on the front of it.
[5:14] Then we can get enough sponsors for seeding communist China, and keeping Taiwan there.
[5:18] Sometimes when I think of seeding them, it's actually not a good reason.
[5:24] But while those groups are engaged, we're going to be growing it too.
[5:31] Yeah.
[5:31] Sometimes we can do it.
[5:34] I want to follow your age on this, Bill.
[5:40] They also decided not to.
[5:43] Oh, we'll see how long they can post about this.
[5:45] They've got up to now.
[5:45] It's worth it more than I can post everything.
[5:50] I don't know.
[5:53] I don't know.
[5:54] I don't know.
[6:00] I don't know.
[6:00] I don't know.
[6:00] I don't know.
[6:05] I think Bush made a voting analysis, and it's really pretty clear that we would carry the important question about the expulsion of 60 to 50 to 70 percent.
[6:34] Without it, we will lose 4461 .
[6:37] We can't keep timeline .
[6:40] If the council has covered the event, .
[6:48] They're truly irresponsible.
[6:57] When I said, hey, I don't .
[7:07] I think as long as they don't have any football experience, they're not so fast.
[7:21] They're not so fast.
[7:24] They're not so fast.
[7:36] I'm sorry.
[7:59] The other thing, though, is that I want Howard Stein to keep McCartney's race.
[8:08] That's what I'm doing.
[8:09] I'm going to be talking into it.
[8:15] That's what I'm talking about.
[8:19] This is the race.
[8:19] And I don't do anything.
[8:20] And what I'm doing, some of the movie actors I know who have done that.
[8:26] where it matters it matters
[8:51] I have the same as Drew.
[8:57] He's never done it before.
[9:02] He didn't do it in 60.
[9:09] He didn't do it in 68.
[9:13] He went through motions and he really didn't.
[9:19] You know how Nelson worked himself.
[9:22] I talked him up enormously to the college guy.
[9:57] Here you are.
[10:00] Mr. President, I've hired you to bunker over the weekend to get you to publish some precise conditions on the referendum to indicate that the opposition has a vote.
[10:13] I always think that our opponents are going to try to hit us with it.
[10:16] I do not believe that the American public gets much of a chance.
[10:26] Simon is such a lame maniac.
[10:53] We always play into number one class, and we're coming up.
[10:57] And I don't think my chest is allowed to support it, but it's great to be part of it.
[11:07] So my instinct, well, it was not wrong.
[11:08] I was building up on the two teams, but a little bit now, my instinct is to go into the whole game, and I'm going to see whether it'll be good.
[11:22] I think that
[11:33] in China for a while now, and coupled with the end of combat operations, coupled with the end of draft leads to Vietnam, and both of us, the other Chinese, I guess, have been sent with plenty of delays.
[11:49] They've been ended by negotiations.
[11:50] Well, I have had one, so I'm suggesting which I wanted to try out, which is Iran.
[11:56] And the obvious is spinning, I'm crazy about the Chinese.
[12:00] So it's been a brilliant time span.
[12:03] And so our relationship with China, basically, is to Southeast Asia.
[12:12] And the basic peace settlement is to go to Southeast Asia for a while.
[12:21] It's a good answer meeting, a secret meeting in Russia.
[12:34] I'd be willing to go there.
[12:37] That way I didn't get a secret meeting out of the government.
[12:43] If the credits were having settled, they would be laying it out for the Chinese.
[12:47] I think that the Chinese would like this to happen.
[13:31] I frankly have come to this view as a result of the election, Mr. President.
[13:34] I no longer insist, and I would not say this to anybody except you, I don't think that we can insist that you must run the election.
[13:44] I mean, that is now down the drain as a result of this behavior.
[13:48] But I think the compromise field we could make, if there was a meeting in Russia, would be less.
[13:58] No election within six months.
[14:00] He passed a peace act a month before the election.
[14:06] There is a temporary government for one month that runs the election.
[14:08] He was committed to run in the election.
[14:11] You cannot bar him from political life.
[14:15] That would be treacherous.
[14:17] He can no longer claim that an election is green and he runs.
[14:24] I don't think he's screwed up.
[14:29] In fact, that might work.
[14:34] Or I can't believe the press now is getting out.
[14:39] The only thing is actually the press is ambivalent with Washington Post.
[14:42] That's an editorial today warning us against getting involved in the domestic politics.
[14:48] They're afraid that we will adopt the policy of democratization that we've been stuck there for a long time.
[14:54] So that you don't get the same pattern behind it that you did before.
[14:59] I'll tell you, I don't think that our Vietnamese is a shell.
[15:08] I think that the South Vietnamese, about a few times, about half of them were in the fight.
[15:15] And if I say that, I'm thinking, two, three hundred calories a week.
[15:21] That's quite a lot.
[15:24] That would be tremendous blood.
[15:29] They have announced this reverse catastrophe in 30 years.
[15:33] That, in our judgment, is going to set that dairy supply in front.
[15:37] It will sit there in filtration for four to six weeks.
[15:41] Now it's easy to sell it.
[15:44] It's another great plus for us.
[15:47] And we've had a bad shape.
[15:48] I'll help you.
[15:51] There's this question of getting that down, which is why we're doing this now.
[15:58] But at least this thing is going to show them, because objectively it means that we could solve this system.
[16:13] But around the 18th, we're going to go down signing and disagreeing with the board on the 22nd, or the 23rd.
[16:27] I'm sorry.
[16:56] They've done a thing to us.
[16:57] They've done a thing to us.
[17:00] And the Democrats, they're not going to do anything.
[17:14] They won't do anything.
[17:15] They won't do anything.
[17:18] They won't do anything.
[17:20] They won't do anything.
[17:22] They won't do anything.
[17:27] I think you've got this.
[17:59] Let's figure out some way to do it.
[18:04] I don't know.
[18:05] I just say, I want to do it.
[18:09] I'm just like, we need to come up and say, here it is.
[18:22] I think they want to do it.
[18:27] All right.