Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 275 › Conversation 275-022

Nixon alone in his EOB office on Travel logistics

Tuesday, September 7, 1971 · 5:13 PM–5:20 PM ET · Old Executive Office Building · 4 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan)Conversation275-022 on Tape 275 (tape position 01:51:09–01:55:15)StartTuesday, September 7, 1971 at 5:13 PMEndTuesday, September 7, 1971 at 5:20 PMRecording deviceOld Executive Office BuildingSourceNixon Library record for 275-022 ↗

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President Richard Nixon and First Lady Pat Nixon discussed the logistical planning for an upcoming trip that included stops in Montana, Seattle, and Anchorage. The President advised the First Lady to modify her attendance at a scheduled dinner to accommodate the travel schedule and avoid an overly demanding timeline. They focused on optimizing flight routes to minimize travel fatigue while ensuring the First Lady could still fulfill her planned obligations.

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You know, I've been checking into this Alaska thing a little further.
The flight time out there is about seven and a half hours, and I think probably a better plan, when you work out this road to Taiwan, and then to Seattle anyway, Saturday to Seattle, and
Spend the night there, and then fly on up to Anchorage the next day, Sunday.
Then it's only a two-hour flight up to Anchorage from up there.
Seven and a half hours is probably too long, because actually we'll be getting in late, so we need to make a little bit of adjustment on the time.
Well, on the way out, I have to do something in Montana.
I might stop in an airport stop in Montana.
So it would be a decent deal to start out and hop in in Montana and spend the night in Seattle.
Saturday, you see.
Oh, on Saturday, you see.
That's Monday.
No, I took the two of them.
Do you want to look?
No, I didn't.
Yeah.
Well, you told me you're going.
Well...
But we were planning to do what I was planning to do in order to kill all two birds with one stone, was let them fly from Anchorage and to a media branch in San Francisco.
So either way, it's all right.
I think you ought to plan not to go to the dinner.
Fair enough.
If you want to get back, we can.
No, I don't think you should try to get back.
No, we won't.
Come back, we would, well, we would fly out of Anchorage.
I just told him, you should do it.
I told him, you should do it.
I told him, you should do it.
I told him, you should do it.
I told him, you should do it.
I told him, you should do it.
I don't think we should go that early anyway.
We should go, but I think we would have come in late.
If you left at 12, you don't want to get in, you could get in late.
Get in late, man.
But I would because of the event.
You made a hell of an effort to get there.
That's my point.
This is the question.
We were in town.
We came in late, but you've gone clear across the country.
They don't know very well what you're doing.
I have no argument.
You should.
It's no problem.
Yeah, well, you could be in it, so we could make that up.
That would not be too much of a problem.
Let me go check and see.
But anyway, all right.
If you're told, Amar, we'll work it out.
All right.

NARA Description

On September 7, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:13 pm to 5:20 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 275-022 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 275-022

Date: September 7, 1971
Time: 5:13 pm - 5:20 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542

The President talked with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon.

[See Conversation No. 008-036]

[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 08/10/2017.
Segment cleared for release]

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  • 008-034 5:11 PM · 24 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Ralph D. Albertazzie talked on the telephone from 5:11 pm to 5:12 pm.
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  • 008-035 5:12 PM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at 5:12 pm.
  • 275-021 5:12 PM · 2 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at 5:12 pm.
  • 008-036 5:13 PM · 8 min — President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. ("Pat") (Ryan) Nixon talked on the telephone from 5:13 pm to 5:20 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 275-022, September 7, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/275-022 (accessed October 10, 2026).