{"conversationCode":"277-023","tapeNumber":277,"conversationNumber":23,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-277-023","startDateTime":"1971-09-15T20:44:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-15T20:48:00.000Z","startDate":"15-Sep-1971","startTime":"4:44 PM","endDate":"15-Sep-1971","endTime":"4:48 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Shultz, George P.;","description":"On September 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and George P. Shultz met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 4:44 pm to 4:48 pm. 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