{"conversationCode":"278-013","tapeNumber":278,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-278-013","startDateTime":"1971-09-09T18:05:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-09T18:08:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Sep-1971","startTime":"2:05 PM","endDate":"9-Sep-1971","endTime":"2:08 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); MacGregor, Clark;","description":"On September 9, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Clark MacGregor met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:05 pm to 2:08 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 278-013 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 278-13\n\nDate: September 9, 1971\nTime: 2:05 pm - 2:08 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Clark MacGregor.\n\n[See Conversation No. 8-72]","filename":["278-013.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:17:37","tapeEnd":"00:18:50","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","MacGregor, Clark"],"prevCode":"278-012","nextCode":"278-014","transcript":[{"start":3.49,"end":3.67,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":5.27,"end":5.75,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":6.61,"end":8.05,"text":"How are your congressional boys doing?"},{"start":13.02,"end":13.62,"text":"That's great."},{"start":13.64,"end":18.5,"text":"Keep right up there."},{"start":22.86,"end":23.22,"text":"Good."},{"start":26.56,"end":26.68,"text":"Oh."},{"start":26.7,"end":27.54,"text":"They're not up there, are they?"},{"start":32.57,"end":34.77,"text":"They won't do anything."},{"start":35.09,"end":36.16,"text":"They won't do anything."},{"start":36.26,"end":45.1,"text":"They may on record be sure, but not much."},{"start":47.96,"end":49.16,"text":"If they want."},{"start":56.43,"end":56.69,"text":"Right."},{"start":57.41,"end":59.55,"text":"Well, keep the chair up."},{"start":60.79,"end":60.93,"text":"Good."},{"start":60.97,"end":61.15,"text":"Good."},{"start":61.31,"end":61.45,"text":"OK."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Clark MacGregor conducted a brief check-in regarding the current legislative climate and the productivity of congressional members. The discussion focused on the lack of substantive action expected from lawmakers, with Nixon expressing skepticism regarding their willingness to advance the administration's agenda. MacGregor was encouraged to maintain pressure on congressional leadership despite these underlying doubts about legislative progress.","topics":["Congressional relations","Legislative strategy","Political maneuvering","White House operations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T12:56:07.249Z"},"topicSlugs":["congressional-relations","legislative-strategy","political-maneuvering","white-house-operations"],"audioDurationSec":62,"audioFiles":[{"file":"278-013.mp3","bytes":2481424,"durationSec":61.89,"bitrate":320769,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:38.329Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/278-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/278-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/278/conversation-278-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}