{"conversationCode":"278-032","tapeNumber":278,"conversationNumber":32,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-278-032","startDateTime":"1971-09-12T21:33:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-12T21:53:00.000Z","startDate":"12-Sep-1971","startTime":"5:33 PM","endDate":"12-Sep-1971","endTime":"5:53 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On September 12, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 5:33 pm to 5:53 pm. 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(“Bob”) Haldeman.\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 04/04/2019.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[278-032-w001]\n[Duration: 6s]\n\n[See Conversation No. 008-103-w001]\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Privacy (D) reviewed under PRMPA regulations 04/04/2019. Segment\ncleared for release.]\n[Privacy]\n[278-032-w002]\n[Duration: 50s]\n\n[See Conversation No. 008-103-w002]\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Privacy (D) reviewed under PRMPA regulations 04/04/2019. Segment\ncleared for release.]\n[Privacy]\n[278-032-w003]\n[Duration: 6s]\n\n[See Conversation No. 008-103-w003]\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Privacy (D) reviewed under PRMPA regulations 04/04/2019. Segment\ncleared for release.]\n[Privacy]\n[278-032-w004]\n[Duration: 2s]\n\n[See Conversation No. 008-103-w004]\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Privacy (D) reviewed under PRMPA regulations 04/04/2019. Segment\ncleared for release.]\n\n[Privacy]\n[278-032-w005]\n[Duration: 7s]\n\n[See Conversation No. 008-103-w005]\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 04/04/2019.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[278-032-w006]\n[Duration: 1s]\n\n[See Conversation No. 008-103-w006]\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n                                                               Conversation No. 276-18/278-33\n\nDate: September 13, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 8:50 pm and 10:15 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President met with Henry A. 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Laird\n     -Vietnam\n          -Popular opinion shifts\n          -Post-World War II elections\n                -Comparison with other countries\n                     -Africa\n                -Communists' action\n\nAttica Prison riots\n      -Casualties\n           -Guards\n                  -Numbers\n\nVietnam\n     -Prisoners of war [POWs] issue\n\nForeign relations\n     -Soviet Union trip\n           -Announcement\n                 -Kissinger's trip to the People's Republic of China [PRC]\n                 -The President's trip to the PRC\n                 -Timing\n                       -Ronald L. Ziegler\n                 -Vietnam\n                       -Troop withdrawal\n                 -Press conference\n                 -Response by Soviets\n                 -Date of trip\n     -Vietnam negotiations\n           -South Vietnam elections\n           -North Vietnam\n           -President’s view\n           -Michael J. Mansfield\n           -South Vietnam\n                 -Status, future\n           -Nguyen Van Thieu\n                 -POWs\n           -The President's PRC trip\n                 -US military action in Vietnam\n           -Unknown person\n     -Japan\n\n                -Reaction to PRC trip\n                     -President’s handling\n                     -State Department\n\nManolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 8:50 pm.\n\n     Refreshments\n\nSanchez left at an unknown time before 10:15 pm.\n\n     Foreign relations\n          -Kissinger's trips to the PRC\n\n**********************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[National Security (B) withdrawal reviewed under MDR guidelines case number LPRN-T-MDR-\n2014-017. Segment exempt per Executive Order 13526, 3.3(b)(6) on 12/20/2017. Archivist:MAS]\n[National Security]\n[278-033-w001]\n[Duration: 2m 19s]\n\n     FOREIGN AFFAIRS\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n     Vietnam\n          -Nguyen Van Thieu\n          -Withdrawal of US troops\n          -Future settlement\n               -Aftermath\n          -PRC\n          -North Vietnamese attacks\n               -Possible response\n\n     Attica Prison riots\n           -Casualties\n\n               -Guards\n           -Amnesty\n\n     Vietnam\n          -Withdrawal of US troops\n          -Announcement of Kissinger trip\n          -Foreign policy of the US\n          -Military protection\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous archivists categorized this section as unintelligible. It has been rereviewed and\nreleased 04/04/2019.]\n[Unintelligible]\n[278-033-w002]\n[Duration: 2m 35s]\n\n       Japan\n\n       Political party in unknown country\n               -Members of political party\n\n       Unknown country’s slow building of military capability\n            -William P. Rogers\n            -Admiral Thomas H. Moorer\n\n       John B. Connally\n\n       William P. Rogers\n\n       President’s decision\n\n       Cambodia\n            -Vietnam War supporters\n\n       Trade\n\n       Arthur F. Burns\n\n       Henry A. Kissinger’s schedule\n\n               -September 14\n\n**********************************************************************\n\nKissinger left at 10:15 pm.","filename":["278-032.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:51:06","tapeEnd":"00:56:42","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. 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matter."},{"start":81.35,"end":83.67,"text":"You can't be Frank because it's Frank."},{"start":85.31,"end":86.55,"text":"He said, it's great."},{"start":86.71,"end":88.27,"text":"We need a hell of a long time."},{"start":88.31,"end":92.8,"text":"We don't claim to be Frank."},{"start":92.81,"end":94.96,"text":"So the camel was there."},{"start":95.2,"end":100.68,"text":"Now, if you bring me the advice of a totally new man, do you want to go through it?"},{"start":100.76,"end":103.04,"text":"That was the major reason, frankly, for my..."},{"start":104.62,"end":109.91,"text":"My brothers, as I told you, not to shift on, recognized me in the campaign."},{"start":109.95,"end":112.8,"text":"And, alas, at least I know it."},{"start":112.83,"end":118.9,"text":"Now, coffee, coffee, coffee apparently has organizational problems."},{"start":118.94,"end":120.36,"text":"Yes."},{"start":121.39,"end":121.49,"text":"Yes."},{"start":122.05,"end":128.71,"text":"But the point about Coffey is that Coffey, when he was around, he's somewhat like Steve Bullock."},{"start":130.09,"end":134.62,"text":"He's extremely easy on people."},{"start":134.88,"end":135.4,"text":"He smiles."},{"start":136.58,"end":137.3,"text":"He doesn't smile."},{"start":137.32,"end":138.04,"text":"He doesn't talk."},{"start":138.06,"end":141.66,"text":"He just knows how to melt the woodwork."},{"start":142.4,"end":144.96,"text":"And I couldn't accept it."},{"start":146.06,"end":149.51,"text":"Well, I don't really feel he's the best man."},{"start":150.68,"end":157.15,"text":"He does say that he's going to have to leave some travel and contact with the United States."},{"start":157.17,"end":161.37,"text":"I don't know if he wants to do that, but he's so concerned about being an American director."},{"start":161.39,"end":163.89,"text":"And I just think of his investment."},{"start":163.91,"end":167.91,"text":"I think that he's definitely an American director."},{"start":167.93,"end":170.31,"text":"He's definitely an 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