Conversation 279-014

TapeTape 279StartWednesday, September 22, 1971 at 12:55 PMEndWednesday, September 22, 1971 at 1:50 PMTape start time01:40:59Tape end time02:29:42ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Recording deviceOld Executive Office Building

On September 22, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:55 pm to 1:50 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 279-014 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 279-14

Date: September 22, 1971
Time: 12:55 pm - 1:50 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     The President's schedule
          -Arrival time, Detroit Economic Club

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       The President's schedule
              -Arrival time, Detroit Economic Club
                      -Shower

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      The President's schedule
             -Arrival time, Detroit Economic Club
                     -Dinner
                     -Arrival
                     -Time
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      The President's schedule
             -Arrival time, Detroit Economic Club
                     -Need time to change of clothes

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     The President's schedule
          -Arrival time, Detroit Economic Club
                -Dinner
                -Departure time
                      -Hotel
                -Dinner
                -Washington, DC departure time
                -Arrival time
          -Kissinger
                -Meeting with John B. Connally
                -Meeting between the President, Henry A. Kissinger and Connally
                      -Time and date
                            -Monetary situation
          -Meeting between the President, Connally, and Arthur F. Burns
                -Time
                      -Length of meetings
          -Arrangements for the President's morning schedule
          -Detroit Economic Club
                -Length of question and answer [Q&A] session
                      -Introduction of the President
                      -Question period

     Public relations
          -Mail project
                 -Helen M. Smith
                 -Roland L. Elliott in the White House mail room
                       -Work
                 -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
          -Radio talk show
           -Raymond K. Price, Jr.

Cabinet meeting, September 24, 1971
     -Attendance
          -Council of Economic Advisors [CEA]
          -Senior staff members
     -Robert J. Dole
     -George H.W. Bush
          -United Nations [UN]
     -Robert H. Finch, Donald H. Rumsfeld
     -Dole

Paul W. Keyes
     -Miss America
          -Laugh-In
              -[Laurie Lee Schaefer, Phyllis Ann George]
                   -Public relations for the administration

The President's schedule
     -Burns’ view
           -Meeting recommendation
     -Connally
     -Pierre-Paul Schweitzer

Campaign contribution
    -Connally
    -Armand Hammer
         -Amount
               -President’s view
                     -Further efforts
         -Maurice H. Stans

Ronald L. Ziegler

Labor

Blacks
     -Organized groups
           -Marching
     -Shirley Chisholm

Professional lobbyists
     -Business Council
           -Peter M. Flanigan

Consumer Price Index [CPI]
    -Latest figures

Justices
      -John M. Harlan
                -Haldeman's conversation with Mitchell
                -Harlan's health
          -Justices [Hugo L. Black and Harlan]
                -Announcement of resignation
                      -Effect

          -Reaction on Vietnam announcement
               -Front page story
               -The President's conversation with Kissinger
               -News commentators
                     -North Vietnam
               -Reaction
                     -Opposition
                     -Edmund S. Muskie
                          -Bombing

     Personnel
          -Finch
               -Mitchell
               -Status
               -Haldeman's conversation with Herbert W. Kalmbach
               -Kalmbach
                     -Solution
                          -Finch
                               -Role in administration
                                    -Counsel
                                    -California
                                    -Activities
                                          -International drug interdiction

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      Personnel
             -Robert H. Finch
                    -Candidacy for Senator from California
                    -Concern about California delegation
                    -Counties, cities
                    -Candidate for Mayor of Los Angeles
                    -Executive ability
                           -President’s opinion
                           -Compared to John V. Lindsay
                    -Timing
                           -Presidential election, Senate races, Governor
              -Herbert W. Kalmbach, Richard A. Moore
              -The President's possible conversation with Robert H. Finch
                     -California

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     Personnel
          Robert H. Finch
                -National figure
                      -Role in administration
                            -Meeting with youth
                            -College campuses
                -Appearances in California
                      -Rotary Club
                      -Republican Club dinners
                            -Marge Turner
                            -Attendance
                -Public speaking
                      -Size of audience
                      -Type of organizations
          -Trips
                -Latin America
                      -Ambassadorship to Mexico
                            -Voters
                                  -Texas, California
                -Public appearances
                      -College campuses
                            -Votes
                      -Other organizations
                            -Blair House
                      -Listening to groups
                            -Surrogates for the President
                                  -Finch
                                  -Rumsfeld
                                  -John D. Ehrlichman
                -Senators
                -Liberal candidates

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      Personnel
             -Robert H. Finch's political career
                    -California
              -Surrogates for Robert H. Finch
                     -Robert T. Monagan
                     -John G. Veneman
                     -Robert Meyer
                     -Cliff Miller
              -Delegation to the Republican National Convention [RNC]
                     -John N. Mitchell

1972 election
       -California delegation to Republican National Convention [RNC]
               -Vote
                       -Ronald W. Reagan
                       -The President's permission
               -Split within delegation
                       -Law
       -First ballot
               -Incumbent President
               -The President's nomination
       -John N. Mitchell
               -Convention
               -Elections
                       -Ronald W. Reagan’s supporters
                               -Right wing
                               -Importance to the Convention
                       -Attitude
                       -Atmosphere
       -Poll
               -New York City
                       -Conservatives
                       -Support for Ronald W. Reagan and Spiro T. Agnew
                       -Presidential nomination
                       -Human Events readers
                               -Compared to rank and file conservatives
                       -Human Events
       -Robert P. Griffin, Michigan
               -Campaign
               -Style
               -Separation from the President
               -Possible resignation as Senate whip
               -Campaign
                       -Liberal
               -End of session
               -Candidate for re-election
               -Donald H. Rumsfeld
               -Outcome of election
                       -Influence of the President
               -Election time
               -Economics
               -Support
               -Republicans
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    Presidential appointment
          -Romana Acosta Banuelos
               -News coverage
                     -Los Angeles Times
               -Minorities
                     -Blacks
               -Mexican-Americans
               -Mexico
               -Spanish
               -Cesar Romero
               -American success story
                     -Family business
               -Family
                     -Sons
                     -Daughter
               -Accomplishments
                     -Horatio Alger type
               -Catholicism
               -Visit to the President
               -Signatures
                     -Spelling

    The President's schedule
         -Groups visiting the President
         -Bowling alley event
         -Race car drivers
              -Visit, September 21, 1971
                     -Effect
                     -Racing magazines
                          -Coverage
                     -Reception
                          -Number of guests
                                -Guests
              -Popularity
                     -Youth
                          -Hot rods
                          -Drag races
                          -Lions Club activities
                     -Teenagers
                     -Motorcycles
         -Motorcycle group
              -Hell's Angels
         -Detroit Economic Club
         -Oregon

    Kissinger's schedule
     -Public appearances
          -Philadelphia World Affairs Council
          -Foreign relations
                -Council on Foreign Relations
                -Hugh Scott
     -Spokesman for administration
                -Effect on audience
                -Television
     -Return from the People’s Republics of China [PRC]

The President's schedule
     -Unknown meeting
          -Arrangements
     -Banuelos
          -Swearing-in ceremony
                 -Attendants
                        -Family
                 -Location
                        -Oval Office
     -Aldo Moro
          -Date
     -Announcement on Soviet Summit
          -Kissinger
     -Columbus Day
          -Meeting with Moro
                 -Length
                 -Italian-Americans
     -The President's Trip to Florida
     -Columbus Day
          -Moro meeting
                 -John A. Volpe

George W. Romney
     -Trip to Michigan

Public relations
     -Michigan
            -Gerald R. Ford
            -Impact of economic issues
     -Detroit Economic Club
     -The President's visit to Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire
            -Massachusetts
                 -Public response to the President's visit
                       -Harvard University
                       -Boston
                             -Students
                                  -US public
                             -Boston
                       -Harvard students
                             -Boston Common
                                 -Effect on the President
                     -Other colleges
                           -The President's visit
          -The President's public appearances
               -Testimonial dinners
                     -Massachusetts

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     Public relations
          -The President’s public appearances
                 -Fund-raising dinners
                      -Denver
                      -Illinois
                      -President’s opinion
                      -Jack R. Miller

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     J. Edgar Hoover
           -Jack N. Anderson's column
                 -The Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                      -Handling
                            -Staff
           -Tenure in office
     CPI
           -Analysis
           -Components
                 -Automobiles

     The President's schedule
          -Connally
               -Dinner
                      -Conference Room
          -Connally and Mitchell
               -Camp David
               -Cabinet Room
          -Meetings

     Thelma C. (“Pat’) Nixon
          -News coverage
          -Public response
                 -Television

     Media [?]
         -Coverage
               -Campaign
         -Democratic candidate
         -Vietnam
         -Kissinger
               -Perceptions
               -Announcement of the PRC trip
                    -Announcement of Soviet summit
               -Viewpoint
                    -Trip to the PRC
                    -Current situation
                          -Experts
                          -Mao Tse-tung
                                -Rumors of death
                                     -President’s view on impact

     PRC

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       People’s Republic of China [PRC]
              -Henry A. Kissinger’s involvement

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     USSR
         -Forthcoming Summit
               -Andrei A. Gromyko, Rogers

     Herbert W. Kalmbach

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     Maurice H. Stans
         -New project
         -Role in 1972
         -Cabinet officer
               -Salary
               -Car
               -Ceremony
                     -Cabinet
         -President’s suggestion
               -Meeting with Robert J. Dole
         -Work with John N. Mitchell

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Haldeman left at 1:50 pm.

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With regard to our trade trip, we don't need as much time now, so I can't screw around.
I just get out there until I've got about an hour and a half, you know, to take a shower, and let the others, to see the other people who go, have to get to the dinner.
I just sort of set it so that they go to the dinner, and I can go to the dinner, of course.
What did you have planned?
Well, originally we had you getting out there about two and a half, almost three hours.
We had almost three hours.
245, I think, at the hotel before you went in.
I was going to suggest that we cut that to about an hour and a half.
I think you cut it out to about an hour and a half.
We need an hour and a half.
We've got to get in and take care of that.
I want to change my clothes and get ready and just be sure to get my feet on the ground for a little while.
An hour and a half is about right.
That'll work fine for the people today, but the other one's going to get them a little early.
What time are we leaving?
We leave at about 8 o'clock.
No, it's earlier than that.
7 o'clock.
So if you leave that hotel at 7.30, we go on at 8.
We'll be up there very early then.
6.30 now.
All right.
Then we'd have to leave here.
We had two hours and 40 minutes staff time.
We've got to cut an hour, get an hour out of that.
All right.
So we'll be here at 345 from the White House.
We'll make it.
It's going to be around 5 o'clock.
It did make it 5 o'clock, but it's a bit around 5 o'clock from the White House.
And incidentally, I have been talking to Henry about his meeting with Connolly.
Friday morning, we did this for 30 minutes, Kevin.
It's just for 30 minutes to get them in line for the monetary thing.
And after that, I want 30 minutes with Burns and Connolly to come in and talk to them along.
So just figure an hour.
I don't want it at 8 o'clock or 9 o'clock or anything like that.
Around 11 maybe.
So it would be running until, you know, 30 minutes of time in there.
After the cabin.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, so we do the cabin around... You wait around 10?
11.
You wait around 11?
Yeah, yeah.
You know, everybody... And then comes the plane.
Because I'll be in late.
Now, in view of this thing, I don't think we ought to necessarily agree on how much time we're going to have.
Maybe we just have 45 minutes of questions.
We're not on time.
The work ratio doesn't matter.
What do you think?
I mean, if you're out-of-hoc with the TV, they're just, they're just, they're 45 minutes from where I'm from here.
I don't know.
It's been an hour, it's probably pretty long.
It's worth it.
But if you did an hour and a half in the evening, this will end up a little less than an hour and a half in the evening.
They have to introduce me.
Yeah, they're still gonna time it for you to come in at 8.
All right, all right.
Just be sure that it's cut off so it's, you know, 55 minutes better than before.
Yeah, and I'll try to give it a couple of weeks.
I'm going to set you on the side now.
Well, I think this guy will know that we've got him in.
I'd like to get him in work right away.
So he'll think that way as he works on it.
And it's right in Joel's bag anyway.
What about the radio?
We're keeping on pricing.
Yeah.
Yeah, it says what I've done this week.
This is basically a working meeting
for the purpose of those, of all cabinet officers who may run into him, so I wouldn't want to go away.
And, you know, people like that, I don't, whatever else there are like that, I don't need.
But I would have people that might run into these people that are there and proceed in.
Yeah.
I'd have all, I'd have all forgiven.
Should have Bush, because he would be, you know, Bush would be the new inside program manager.
Bush, Finch, and Rumsfeld, but not Dole.
I guess Dole won't win.
It doesn't fit his bag, because he won't be seen.
His purpose is...
It seems that we ought to consider finding some way to put this America on land.
That's...
Well, they're a little too dirty for them.
But they might find something.
They're pretty mature.
They've got a few bucks on them.
I'm impressed with both of them.
Very outspoken.
Arthur Burns thinks, and I want this discussed with Colin, that I ought to use Schweitzer's.
He's always here, frequently.
Now I, even after the surgery, he was proud of what he told me I'd be able to do.
He made me a little help.
He taught me how to come, how to heal, how to do it.
He's a hammer.
He's come in over a hundred thousand colonies.
He's a lovely little guy.
It's all right.
I take it.
Sure.
You know, the price of what he's after, he's done with that.
Thanks.
What did the Russians do?
I don't know if he's Russian.
Well, he is Russian.
Is he?
Martin Russian.
I don't know if he's borrowed from the Russians.
I don't know.
He's dealt with them or something.
There's a Russian man on there or something.
But anyway, he should be more than honest.
And you were trying to...
I know Sam's always talking to me about him pushing me.
He must be pushing old Sam all the time.
He's probably got a... Well, that's my problem with him.
He's crazy.
off the front of the roof.
I mean, that's the whole thing.
I mean, there's the consumer, which makes me nervous.
There's the contractor, of course.
And if you have more than I suggested, then I'm worried about it.
This one here.
I mean, there's a way to do that.
You've got to push it in like a jackass.
I don't know.
I don't know what it might be, but I don't know.
It's got a, it's got a, you know, where it needs to be affected.
A group of youth or a group of, even a group of blacks that wasn't general blacks that you get away from the organization.
Just a group of people that are just out of doing what they do every day instead of marching.
And I can't talk about it.
because that would be the first place that would be overawed by me and the others or not.
Yeah, this is sort of...
which is not the best, most everybody except these people, except this buddy who would have to move there, not impressed by the crowd of people that basically are the professional lockers.
When I get back to my favorite particular area, he's planning his business concert.
I don't know if I've seen two businessmen, but not that good.
I ain't one to worry about it.
Jesus Christ, it's all the time.
Absolutely all the time.
I'm glad.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm really happy she's my cousin now.
I'm happy she's my cousin.
I'm happy she's my cousin now.
I'm happy she's my cousin now.
The next month I asked John about Harlem.
We're going to get it next year, so we just want to get it today, because I was calling Captain and said that he's under sedation and unable to do anything.
I don't consider it a repression.
It's a cataclysm.
It is a cataclysm.
Well, it isn't bad, that big a bounce.
Because it's sort of confusing to... Well, Henry's air raid didn't get that big a bounce either.
Henry, you know, when he was in Trump, he was convinced there would be big black headlines saying Nixon invades Vietnam or something.
And Henry was mature.
It was a front page story.
Henry was.
Bombers, hammered.
Hammered Vietnam.
Total bombs.
Bombs.
Bombs.
Bombs.
Bombs.
And I don't think you could again.
I don't think you'll have one commentator saying, isn't it terrible, it makes a buck.
Or a senator.
They all think you're doing it every day.
And that's part of it.
benefit, if you want to call it that, of the overkill of the enemy, you know, of the opposition.
Klosky's running around implying that you're out bombing the whole earth practically every hour, every hour.
So when you do bomb somebody, everybody says, so what?
It's already become that.
And it played a part.
You know, he just said, well, if you bring a boat up, it's striking our airplanes.
Whatever it was, you know, it just reads like it's perfectly normal, and
I had a long talk with Kalbach.
He's trying to put a play in the middle of the road on that.
And Kalbach is convinced that he and I probably are the only ones who can solve that.
And we've got to convince Bob and her to
He was a very strong president before this.
We've got to convince Bob that his role now has got to be to play the concert of the president thing and stay out of California and stay as close to you as he can.
you know, big things that, you know, the international treasurer, you know, is keeping stuff around the country waiting to help you, and just forget about it.
He's obsessed with this, being the third senator in California, sitting over here and servicing people in California.
He's the first senator to do it.
And he's lowering himself to dig around that.
Then he's all worried about the stake-up of the delegation.
And what happens in every city race and what happens in every county convention.
Have you heard his latest thing?
No.
He served for mayor of Los Angeles.
He finished?
Yes.
He came in yesterday morning and I thought at first he was kidding.
But he's... What the hell?
considering his executive ability, that he would go down on it.
I mean, he'd be a worse mayor than Lindsey Boone.
Yeah, except that would be a different kind of city government, so you can't... A mayor doesn't have as much power.
A mayor would have any power, really.
And Lindsey doesn't, you see.
Yeah.
Well, but...
But why the Christ would he want to run the race?
His timing is totally wrong.
He could run in April of 73, which means he has to start running before the presidential election.
He'd be elected in April of 73, he takes office in May, and then start running for the Senate.
And then, if he started running, he'd have to, he says he promised his campaign not to run for the Senate and wouldn't.
And I said, well, why don't you take yourself out of the Senate race?
I said, well, I'll go to the other one then.
The other senator, right?
That's the one guy.
You're going to wait four more years after that?
And it's just, he's just, he isn't thinking straight.
He's got his blue-eyed sense and her feeling the same thing.
He can't order anything.
i think maybe maybe more three others can and what we've got to do is just but then at some point you've got to say bob just don't worry about california i know all the problems but it isn't fair to you to deal with the responsibility and at the right time
Look, if he would become a national figure again, which he can do, become known as the guy that's moving around, carrying the president's program, leading the youth and stuff, helping on the campuses, you know, all the things he can do so well.
And it doesn't even go into California, except once in a while for a major appearance.
Major appearance, that's right.
It doesn't do any more.
Grocery clubs or a party hack, you know, goes to those damn little clubs.
I mean, Mark Turner's Republican, Wilshire Republican Club dinners, you know, when they have 72 people or something.
I won't go speak to the thing with 72 people.
I thought they should consider doing something like that.
God, he just doesn't have any damn sense of this.
Bob should consider himself presidential.
He should speak at any gathering that's less than a couple thousand people.
Unless it's an executive committee kind of thing of a national organization or something like that.
I wonder if we could find a fourth president, Bob.
Well...
But we've done some, we can do some more.
He goes back to the ambassador to Mexico thing again, thinking, geez, maybe we should do that because the terrible importance of the Mexican-American vote in Texas and California.
Bob Finch as ambassador to Mexico isn't going to give you ten more Mexican votes in Texas and California put together.
But Bob Finch talking on college campuses in Texas might get you a lot of votes in Texas.
But I'm talking to women's organizations.
I'm talking to consumer groups.
I think the idea of a listening group, remember I mentioned, I think we ought to set it up so that there are about a half a dozen that put themselves on the service for the president.
That you could be a listener.
Russ felt that he could be a listener.
Early on, actually, he asked me to be a listener.
And that they report directly to me what the groups are, so that they all know that that guy's name pitches in.
Everybody, Bob, is 100% listening.
Bob also, he spent time with a number of liberal senators.
He's perfect for that.
He really is.
He's awesome.
He gets their views and pushes them.
He really is.
And he gives me room.
You know, I'd say, look, what can we do with the candidates that are liberal, for example?
You can talk to them.
and get them both to battle in California.
Now, he's worried about his own political interest there, and what he's got to do is get his own circuit to look out for him, and he's got to get Monaghan, or send Veneman back, or get Bob Meyer, or whoever, Cliff Miller, use somebody as his man there, but he should stay out of it.
He should let someone else do the hashing.
Just not worry about it.
If the delegation all goes to Reagan, so it all goes to Reagan.
Mitchell would.
That's that.
It just isn't going to happen that way.
Well, if the delegation goes to Reagan, first of all, they can't go to Reagan to buy under the Franklin.
Without my permission, isn't that true?
Is that what he's saying in front of me?
The delegation in California cannot split under the law.
Well, they can at some point.
Well, I...
If you don't win on the first ballot, you're not going to win any one.
It seems to me that's a given conclusion.
If an incumbent president fails on the first ballot at his party's convention, he isn't going to win the nomination.
And if we're at a point where we're worrying about your nomination, we're out of our minds.
And that's Mitchell's point.
He isn't paying attention to the convention.
He's worrying about the election.
And on the election,
You need the Reagan people with us.
And also, you need the Reagan people with us in order to hold the right ones down in our country.
And they're there for the convention.
You need them to hold the people in aid.
Not for the nomination, but for the attitude and the atmosphere.
I was interested to know that for the other consumers, I guess Mark from Canada will be disappointed in this.
Well, what the hell?
It's what?
I don't think it's surprising.
No, what the heck is surprising?
That's a position conservative generally take.
Actually, they'd like a regular thing.
They've got no goddamn way of being nominated.
I'm not sure they even really like them that much.
The Human Events Conservative is not the rank and file conservative.
I think we've got them.
I'm not surprised.
But we've got to find a way for him to sort of separate himself.
He's got to run it.
He's got to run it himself.
I mean, it might be just too bad he's a leader.
Everything is.
It's really too bad.
But what he's got to do is be better off.
I wonder if he wouldn't have an advantage in his design as well.
You know?
and then go out and appeal for a liberal.
He could sure do it at the end of this, you know, recess, at the end of this session.
After just the opportunity.
And do it on the basis that for the next year, he will be a candidate for the election.
And Chris Peart is appropriate, because if he's with Peart, he's very responsible on this time.
Also, Mike, we would like the guy to win.
But I'm still in a position to run.
We don't want to, very obviously, the president will be a drag referring to that state probably.
At this point, you never know when an election comes around, whether it will shift things, maybe even topple by a long line.
I think what I'm getting at is the economic question.
Uh, he doesn't want to get too far away from the President because there's areas where the President could get a lot of help, but I mean, they put him right down the street.
Same, he's in the same situation.
Pushing, you know, pushing shut on his mind here.
On the other hand, there's a hell of a lot of other people mad.
Tell him.
Tell him what the matter is.
He's mad.
Well, Lyle's got a damn good buddy.
Did she?
Yeah.
That's fine.
He, uh, back to, uh,
I have a feeling that that helps.
I don't think it helps one damn bit with the neighbors.
No, they think it's their divine right, and Mexicans haven't gotten enough of them to be able to make them.
Mexicans haven't gotten a damn thing from them.
And I sort of think, well, if I've got Mexicans sort of for us, it's good enough for us.
But I, you're absolutely right with the Negro economy, or whether it's Negro-Afro, Negro-Canada, or Negro-British, they all got that thing there is, and it doesn't have one damn thing.
Right?
It doesn't hurt us, but I mean, it helps.
It's a team from hurting, but it surely doesn't help us.
Once they're attacked a little, you see the group groups.
I'm glad you didn't cheat.
It was an extra accent, a foreign accent, therefore, it's not a Spanish accent.
She's an old, didn't like Cesar Romero on the original craft.
She's got all the marks that we need for her.
And a good American success story, built her own little Kamali stand up, a good glowing business.
Damn right, very good.
Has two sons, they're sheriffs.
Are they?
Yeah.
This is her second husband, by the way, her first husband, she has two sons.
Both of them are in the out of county care.
Great.
She's got a daughter.
That was the most dramatic example of a battle.
started to push the button and said come up with a Mexican woman.
And she came back four days later with a Mexican woman who was chairman of the board of the bank and runs her own scholarship foundation for Mexican kids.
And she's a hell of a, hell of a story.
And they've written all this in the paper.
Yeah, she's a good Horatio Oscar title.
And she's a capital.
And her nervousness in coming in to see you and all worked out very well.
It made a big thing out of the signature that she wrote for you.
She said that's not the signature she's going to use on the bill.
She signed it Ramona A.
She's going to do it on the bill.
She's going to go Ramona Acosta.
And she's going to spell that out on the bill.
She said she was
I'm so excited .
Well, I think we've done .
Both of which are .
The racetrack thing won't do as much good, really, as the... Not necessarily, it won't give you the kind of play.
It will, but it will in a different way.
There are more racing magazines than there are bowling magazines.
That's right.
Before they were all there, every stand, publishers, whatever, they had a magazine there.
They said, my God, they're recognizing racing in the Rhinoceros.
They said, you know, it's a hell of a work out, it was too long.
Yeah.
I go in, you may be...
Well, they brought in, I didn't realize they were bringing all those guys.
They had about 100, they had about 200.
They had the manufacturers and stuff.
Actually, that'll help along the way.
I think it's worth the effort because those people are open to it.
They have as much interest involved in the draft.
I would agree with that.
It's great.
It's great.
And they are patient people.
It's wrong.
It's wrong.
It sort of identifies it as just racing and ties with all the kids that love high-rises.
Sure.
Drag racing.
Drag racing and those lines, club-type activities that they have.
And there's some teenage identity there too.
Yeah.
I have a motorcycle with me.
Motorcycle.
You don't want to get in there.
I don't think you want to get in a motorcycle.
It's a combination.
There you get to the Hells Angels types and the Cowboys and the Pretty Freddy type people.
I guess there must be something other than that.
It's great tomorrow night.
Yeah, I'll say that.
in Oregon the next day.
It was Sunday with the Emperor.
Henry asked him to sort of set some patterns.
He's under great pressure to do the Philadelphia World Affairs Council now.
He's turned it down a couple of times.
He's coming back at it.
We've talked about whether we want Henry out
talking in his cell phone, all kinds of things.
We ran into him.
He said, you ought to do the Council on Foreign Relations.
Well, I don't want him to do the Foreign Relations.
Well, I just...
The Council on Foreign Relations typed in, you wouldn't want to do this.
Yeah, this is all right.
This is good news.
You know, it's one of the...
It's Adrian Scott's thing.
Here we go.
I think maybe something like that.
Let's make a fire and just start building a little bit more.
Well, we've got to have, we've got to, frankly, have salesmen out talking about us and about how we need to get out and sell some things.
He's aware that he'll handle it trickily enough that he's going to get a lot of them.
Build him up a little bit on some of that.
Yeah.
They'll build him up and let me know of a crowd that he can talk on the president.
He does do that.
Yeah.
I think he does it more now than he used to.
Yeah.
Why don't you have him do it?
The only thing I'm thinking is... TV, I understand.
At a certain time, we've got to let him do it on TV.
I think so, yeah.
Maybe when he returns to China.
Well, he's got to have a prox to then, too, yeah.
And, uh...
Plainly would help him do it.
Yeah.
You know, he could swear and shout over here and there.
You know what I mean?
You go, oh, yeah, I'm feeling it.
Are you all going to turn it down then?
I've got something you may know.
Yes.
It's in the office.
In the office with her family.
Yeah, right.
In the office with her family.
It might be worthwhile in Illinois.
Those are not long problems.
We've got on the long run tomorrow scheduled in sometime in the week of October 4th.
The 11th, clear because of your Russian announcement the next day.
I wondered if because it's Columbus Day, you might want to see it.
It's a half hour meeting, you could do it that morning.
No problem.
Sure.
You're not going to need a lot of time to prepare for this.
It's filled up American, isn't it?
It's not going to be in Florida.
No.
It's the best weekend you're not going to Florida because you're... All right.
Bye.
Have a good day.
Scott, please can I have you on the whole thing?
Oh, sure, yeah.
This is not a Columbus take, I mean, this is a big one.
Over here, you know, in any part of the Columbus, it really gets out.
I'm lying to you.
He just comes on so damn strong.
Incredibly, he comes on so strong.
He's probably looking at you.
Well, I agree.
I agree.
Well, Michigan, frankly, is just a way to get the Michigan problem out of place.
And also it helps to keep Michigan doing it.
We don't want it to go through this.
Well, it gives, like Jerry Ford, some of your good friends a way to say, you know, they keep saying there, you better get off Michigan and try to care about Michigan.
I've got guys doing it very majorly.
Well, they can never say you're running off Michigan when you do trade and other things.
It's a hell of a big thing.
And that's another reason why going to Maine was a good idea and Vermont and Hampshire.
A, B.
We ought to schedule something in Massachusetts sometime other than this.
I don't know.
I just have a feeling we should.
Because we get a hell of a reception.
If you have the right thing.
The problem is having something that isn't in the Harvard area.
Well, you don't have to.
Yeah.
The thing to do would be not to go to Boston.
Somewhere else.
It would appear to be awfully obvious not to go to Boston.
I don't think it's too bad anyway.
Let's suppose you have 3,000 or 4,000 Harvard kids out in the common, you know, looking mean or bitchy.
It's going to hurt Harvard a whole lot more than it's going to hurt me.
Don't you agree?
I went to school up there.
I grew up in a big country.
I grew up in a country.
I grew up in a country.
I grew up in a country.
I grew up in a country.
They hold a bunch in Boston and Massachusetts.
Oh, yes, they will.
They like to do it.
Oh, it would be an honor.
You know, the fact that they just come in.
You've got a problem on doing testimonials.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
We've started that.
I hope we have the rule laid out on that.
There aren't any, because Obed wants me to go to Captain.
That's right.
There ain't going to be any fundraising, whatever, before.
I'm glad he didn't raise it before the draft, though.
I'm surprised he didn't put that as a price, too.
Nobody suggested that.
Good work.
But we have Miller, you know, you can just see them lining up.
Is that what I can say?
Yeah.
I'm sure that I'm making an account.
I'm sure.
The way that I sort of crossed the bridge of my head and my mind, I'm just going to come up one of the two places.
I'm not going to ask.
I'm going to be with the two places.
You know, it's too bad about Vancouver.
There's so many little men.
It's so broad.
Oh, they're ready to hit it.
Jack Anderson's got a call today.
He's got this whole bill in particular.
He's going to obviously be launching a crusade and they'll pick it up from there.
Yeah.
They're going to turn off the fire.
Yeah.
And some of his internal people.
Yeah.
Okay.
And I believe he did.
He did take him with you.
He hasn't been affected.
And I said, well, I just really want to be in a position to fight him.
That's what I decided.
I said, well, I'm going to take him home.
I said, well, I'm going to take him home.
I said, well, I'm going to take him home.
I've been only impressed so far.
All of those people's analysis is a good example of what it measures and how it measures it.
It doesn't make any difference if it ships with one item.
It doesn't cover apparently this one.
It doesn't cover all of those, for instance.
It does cover some of the key frozen items.
It does cover some of the key non-frozen items, which gave me the chance to go on a group.
It's a very random kind of thing as to how I...
I guess I'm totally suspicious of that group, aren't you?
That, I think, we're getting some progress in with other people, but also in the process.
We've got to work on the best kind of, let's say, both impairments.
Both impairments, yeah.
It takes time to just fall together really well.
Your feeling about the, what I call, the common price thing is to have it at dinner again, and not, you know, not actually bringing it to camp again.
I don't know.
Or is it better, basically, to do it at night?
I'm not sure.
I kind of think it's better not to do it at the dinner.
I'm not so sure.
I thought it just had a straight out of turn.
No, I think they had a very good move.
I'd like to talk to him about it.
It's actually very tough.
Better than they were.
It's a different thing, yes.
And they certainly have very good notices on Platt's program.
The screen will get a bulk of the reviews, and that's extremely good.
That's what they're doing now.
Well, they could.
The word they think you're criticizing on is that it's a complete causative piece, you know what I'm saying?
And that basically she's still still.
That's what they would say.
They could always find something out there.
Well, but the commoners, they've said she's stiff, and then the people saw her on the air, and they find out she isn't.
No, how long is that?
How long do you think it is?
I mean, they got, uh, I suppose that, uh,
There comes a time when, in this case, not the one Curtis Bennett, but the other one who all came to this, that they covered him a few times through a hell of a lot of order.
They covered him under the result of this campaign, made his statements.
He set a pattern, he made some gaps, and now they're looking for the gaps.
And that's just like what I can do.
They were looking for him to kick somebody again.
Are they looking for him?
I can bail.
And there's this democratic front that is competing and letting it happen all the time.
This is the worst situation right now.
That war is going to break exactly what's mine right now.
It's going to be all the time.
It's going to be the worst thing that's ever happened in my life.
It's going to be the worst thing I've ever done.
He just doesn't understand the world isn't gonna get better.
It's not, but it isn't.
Going to China will be a part of the struggle.
But it isn't going to override Russia.
Well, it's hard for him not to see the world.
His own eyes.
His China trip will be important.
Because nobody seems to...
It's another unanticipated thing, which has also been interesting.
There's been no talk about Henry going back on an open trip to Chattanooga.
Or anybody going over to advance him.
To Chattanooga.
How they could think that we wouldn't advance him.
Yeah.
Or they shouldn't have him there.
I don't understand it.
It just all comes on.
It may, it may not.
You know, there may be great events going on in Chattanooga.
Honestly, there may be that.
Yeah, there may never be.
You know what I mean?
But what we have to do is realize that those things are going to happen now.
And show what they have.
They have what they have.
So that we have a record of it.
So that's that.
I don't know what's going to happen.
As I've often said about Hacker, he does a thousand things.
Every time.
He's a ruler.
You know, he asked for that.
He really does.
That's why it's hard for him.
But I think it really, really agonizes us in terms of evidence, in my guess.
It's concerning that a lot of these young men and women, now all we have to say to them, I think it's just an illusion, but in terms of trying to find out if it's okay there,
Because he said, you realize that he doesn't know it.
He doesn't know it.
Because it was his initiative.
Because they're trying to assert his personal property.
The Russian one is safe.
Well, that's a very neat way of looking at it.
Yeah.
That's perfect.
I was very worried about my defense when I handled that one.
Yeah, that's done.
We agreed to do it.
Next thing we gotta do is work on time.
Well, you're a big dog.
You can't ask a guy to come in and do his job for six months.
Well, and with an incumbent president, you can't start the finance job.
No.
He just likes being a cabin officer.
We've got to cover a month's salary in that car and that kind of stuff.
Well, I'm sure he does lose his perquisites.
Well, I think about that.
He's so concerned about that.
That's one of the big parts of this.
And another one of his things was that he would be at a suitable ceremony when he left the cabin.
Let me say that I think we should, we should get him the same stage as Dole who had him.
I'm not sure if that's going to be the same again.
It would be good, right?
It would help if it was dealing with, just like you say, just like Dole, you would have that same, right, same thing.
Yeah, we can do that.
But it's, we can't.
But I think he hasn't been mentioned in the report for a long time.
I'm sure he's got to get it out of the way.
Yeah, we'll eat it.
Let's see how.
Might as well save it until we eat it.
Yeah.
OK. We'll eat it.
He was our other friend.
Yeah.
Yeah.