{"conversationCode":"280-013","tapeNumber":280,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-280-013","startDateTime":"1971-09-23T16:58:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-09-23T17:06:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Sep-1971","startTime":"12:58 PM","endDate":"23-Sep-1971","endTime":"1:06 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Shultz, George P.; Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On September 23, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, George P. Shultz, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 12:58 pm to 1:06 pm. 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(President)","Shultz, George P.","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"280-012","nextCode":"280-014","transcript":[{"start":2.48,"end":2.78,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":3.8,"end":5.88,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":5.9,"end":10.92,"text":"George, with regard to the question, it's probably sort of hard for you."},{"start":11.94,"end":18.6,"text":"Yeah, it was a good talk, and it was a fantastic meeting."},{"start":18.68,"end":28.99,"text":"The way to do this, Bill, we have to get a good position for this, and a view of what we're talking about."},{"start":34.62,"end":42.75,"text":"The only question is do we have to in this kind of cooperation?"},{"start":52.8,"end":59.91,"text":"Is there any problem with saying that there's a plan that comes to see if there's a support that they could make that includes a follow-up on the idea of the, you know, objections as far as the, I don't think they, I don't think so far as the, this program is concerned."},{"start":79.41,"end":93.31,"text":"But the majority of the country, Ohio and Georgia, they're very supportive of it."},{"start":93.33,"end":95.97,"text":"But they're out of the country."},{"start":96.13,"end":96.65,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":149.11,"end":150.85,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":151.05,"end":151.87,"text":"Right."},{"start":152.41,"end":153.51,"text":"Right."},{"start":153.61,"end":153.91,"text":"Right."},{"start":153.97,"end":154.49,"text":"Good."},{"start":154.55,"end":155.31,"text":"On that one."},{"start":155.53,"end":155.75,"text":"Okay."},{"start":155.77,"end":157.05,"text":"The increase in ."},{"start":184.78,"end":190.02,"text":"I don't want to get through my digestion for you in a sentence."},{"start":190.04,"end":194.79,"text":"I mean, basically you'll spend a lot of time with me, but I can't."},{"start":194.85,"end":197.31,"text":"Basically, you'll spend a whole thing."},{"start":197.33,"end":199.33,"text":"The highest drive in the... What is that?"},{"start":199.35,"end":206.29,"text":"The highest history."},{"start":207.72,"end":211.46,"text":"And how does it compare to what you said you tried to do?"},{"start":226.84,"end":227.68,"text":"over the last year."},{"start":266.38,"end":267.86,"text":"I get it."},{"start":267.94,"end":271.36,"text":"Well, they find those things are right there."},{"start":271.42,"end":273.79,"text":"Eight percent over last year."},{"start":273.83,"end":280.51,"text":"Fifty percent over the first year."},{"start":281.87,"end":282.07,"text":"What?"},{"start":283.02,"end":284.97,"text":"Yeah, I understand that now."},{"start":285.01,"end":286.87,"text":"I can see that very well."},{"start":286.89,"end":288.15,"text":"I understand that now."},{"start":288.25,"end":289.31,"text":"I understand that now."},{"start":289.33,"end":290.67,"text":"I understand that now."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with George Shultz and Ron Ziegler to discuss public perception and strategic messaging regarding a specific administrative program. The group assessed national support levels for the initiative, noting strong backing from states like Ohio and Georgia. Nixon emphasized the necessity of maintaining a unified position to effectively promote the program and addressed specific comparative data regarding recent fiscal or programmatic growth.","topics":["Public Opinion","Strategic Messaging","Economic Policy","Administrative Strategy","Political Support"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T13:07:56.381Z"},"topicSlugs":["public-opinion","strategic-messaging","economic-policy","administrative-strategy","political-support"],"audioDurationSec":316,"audioFiles":[{"file":"280-013.mp3","bytes":12643056,"durationSec":315.93,"bitrate":320144,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:38.615Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/280-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/280-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/280/conversation-280-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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