{"conversationCode":"283-013","tapeNumber":283,"conversationNumber":13,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-283-013","startDateTime":"1971-10-06T12:25:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-06T12:27:00.000Z","startDate":"6-Oct-1971","startTime":"8:25 AM","endDate":"6-Oct-1971","endTime":"8:27 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Goldwater, Barry M.;","description":"On October 6, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Barry M. Goldwater met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 8:25 am to 8:27 am. 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(President)","Goldwater, Barry M."],"prevCode":"283-012","nextCode":"283-014","transcript":[{"start":0.2,"end":7.65,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":10.11,"end":10.55,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":10.57,"end":10.79,"text":"Hello."},{"start":11.54,"end":19.43,"text":"Barry, I just wanted to tell you I've just been very grateful for the way you've been knocking them around lately."},{"start":19.45,"end":24.91,"text":"I drove back and I went over to do a finance thing for John Rollins, the National Committee at Telluride today."},{"start":24.93,"end":27.36,"text":"I drove back with Bob Dole and he said, you guys are on an airplane with 3 o'clock in the morning on the 94th."},{"start":27.86,"end":49.32,"text":"But it's really been great, and I think the way you nailed old Teddy on that crawling stage was good."},{"start":49.34,"end":50.74,"text":"And you know, as Hubert followed your lot, you might as well see that."},{"start":50.76,"end":51.82,"text":"Why do you think he did that?"},{"start":51.84,"end":53.18,"text":"What's he there?"},{"start":53.2,"end":54.7,"text":"You think he wants to get in on the game, huh?"},{"start":55,"end":55.1,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":55.12,"end":56.2,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":56.22,"end":57.73,"text":"Yeah, he's the most decent man."},{"start":57.74,"end":57.87,"text":"Right."},{"start":58.86,"end":70.17,"text":"That's right, that's right."},{"start":76.91,"end":78.47,"text":"But Teddy went beyond the pale on that."},{"start":78.49,"end":81.03,"text":"But how do people react to you?"},{"start":81.05,"end":81.95,"text":"They... Yeah, right, right, good."},{"start":81.97,"end":86.4,"text":"Yeah, incidentally, I want you to know on the judge thing, so I can assure you there, if I have to,"},{"start":87,"end":101.78,"text":"fighting for the balance of this, and we're going to have two conservative judges."},{"start":101.8,"end":101.9,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":101.92,"end":109.43,"text":"Oh, I know Richter well."},{"start":109.45,"end":110.11,"text":"He's an excellent man."},{"start":110.13,"end":110.25,"text":"Great."},{"start":110.27,"end":110.39,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":110.41,"end":114.95,"text":"The great difficulty of the damn bar we have come to because of the lack of"},{"start":116.72,"end":135.67,"text":"But boy, he's the right age and everything."},{"start":135.69,"end":140.57,"text":"Doesn't mean a damn thing."},{"start":140.59,"end":140.91,"text":"Look at Brennan."},{"start":140.93,"end":141.19,"text":"That's right."},{"start":141.21,"end":141.47,"text":"That's right."},{"start":141.49,"end":141.61,"text":"Right."},{"start":141.63,"end":142.21,"text":"They're not worried me a bit."},{"start":142.24,"end":142.47,"text":"Not one bit."},{"start":142.5,"end":144.18,"text":"I was sorry to give up on Toss, but Toss felt he couldn't put his family through it."},{"start":144.2,"end":146.44,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":146.46,"end":146.56,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":148.51,"end":155.34,"text":"But he thought he deserved it."},{"start":155.36,"end":155.46,"text":"Okay."},{"start":156.41,"end":156.67,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon initiated this call to express his appreciation for Senator Barry Goldwater’s recent public criticism of Senator Edward Kennedy. The discussion transitioned to the administration’s strategy for upcoming judicial appointments, with Nixon assuring Goldwater that he remained committed to nominating conservative candidates to the Supreme Court. They briefly evaluated potential nominees and discussed the challenges posed by the legal establishment and the ideological leanings of current justices.","topics":["Supreme Court appointments","Judicial philosophy","Edward Kennedy","Republican Party strategy","Conservatism"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T13:20:51.118Z"},"topicSlugs":["supreme-court-appointments","judicial-philosophy","edward-kennedy","republican-party-strategy","conservatism"],"audioDurationSec":158,"audioFiles":[{"file":"283-013.mp3","bytes":6327709,"durationSec":158.05,"bitrate":320296,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:38.615Z","transcriptGapSeconds":40,"transcriptGapShare":0.26,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/283-013.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/283-013","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/283/conversation-283-013","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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