{"conversationCode":"283-026","tapeNumber":283,"conversationNumber":26,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-283-026","startDateTime":"1971-10-06T15:10:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-06T15:36:00.000Z","startDate":"6-Oct-1971","startTime":"11:10 AM","endDate":"6-Oct-1971","endTime":"11:36 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On October 6, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 11:10 am and 11:36 am. 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Byrd, Jr.\n              -Chrome amendment\n              -Position\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -Work on Phase II speech","filename":["283-026.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:14:22","tapeEnd":"02:17:25","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"283-025","nextCode":"283-027","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":23.51,"text":"I don't think you get a chance to do any more talking to them."},{"start":23.53,"end":24.09,"text":"They have to do their thing."},{"start":24.11,"end":25.66,"text":"We're going to have to sort of deal with the black metal, which is malicious."},{"start":25.68,"end":27.12,"text":"One of these days, they're going to make out to get the world with them."},{"start":27.14,"end":28.06,"text":"They'll be coming in and they'll join the war."},{"start":28.08,"end":28.58,"text":"It hurts the environment."},{"start":28.6,"end":29.06,"text":"You know, it's evident."},{"start":30.12,"end":49.35,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":49.37,"end":49.59,"text":"That's all."},{"start":49.61,"end":49.87,"text":"That's right."},{"start":49.89,"end":50.23,"text":"You're, uh, okay."},{"start":50.25,"end":50.73,"text":"You're still right here."},{"start":50.75,"end":50.85,"text":"Okay."},{"start":50.87,"end":51.45,"text":"Sorry, I'm holding things up."},{"start":51.47,"end":52.82,"text":"Well, I need you to be able to pay more attention to what you said."},{"start":52.84,"end":53.48,"text":"And I'm, uh, I'm being critical."},{"start":53.5,"end":54,"text":"I don't know what to say."},{"start":54.02,"end":54.34,"text":"That was better."},{"start":54.59,"end":77.3,"text":"They know goddamn well, and they're smart enough to know that this could possibly happen in 48 hours."},{"start":77.32,"end":77.78,"text":"They know it very well."},{"start":77.8,"end":79.56,"text":"And I think this is a case of their, it would be a case of their, what do you call them?"},{"start":79.58,"end":79.88,"text":"It's so clever."},{"start":79.9,"end":80,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":80.02,"end":80.44,"text":"That's all I can say."},{"start":82.5,"end":104.25,"text":"I know that it shouldn't be him, but he would be responsible if he's not going."},{"start":104.27,"end":104.89,"text":"He knows better than Patterson."},{"start":104.91,"end":106.15,"text":"He may have told him, though, maybe that's not very good news."},{"start":106.17,"end":107.97,"text":"It's kind of your responsibility, or is it just a good reason not to talk to him about it?"},{"start":107.99,"end":109.01,"text":"No, I could just say that I'm going to do it today."},{"start":109.92,"end":129.07,"text":"I don't want to do anything weird."},{"start":129.09,"end":129.57,"text":"It's me, that's me."},{"start":129.59,"end":130.41,"text":"Oh, did you get the bird man in the chat?"},{"start":130.43,"end":131.39,"text":"I'll talk to McGregor and work it out."},{"start":131.41,"end":131.69,"text":"McGregor is..."},{"start":131.71,"end":132.29,"text":"The bird should be reassured."},{"start":132.31,"end":133.03,"text":"No, I don't want to be serving them."},{"start":133.05,"end":134.17,"text":"They're going to think that we screwed them on an issue."},{"start":134.69,"end":148.41,"text":"It's above the rules."},{"start":148.43,"end":153.07,"text":"The whole human events, the nutcrackers, are behind us too."},{"start":153.09,"end":154.91,"text":"And we never want to be with the nuts."},{"start":154.94,"end":155.25,"text":"For that reason."},{"start":155.28,"end":157.22,"text":"But on the other hand, where we really aren't against it, we should have to take the heat for it."},{"start":157.24,"end":158.44,"text":"And if you agree, you have to have the degree to understand."},{"start":158.46,"end":159.3,"text":"You have to have the degree to understand."},{"start":159.32,"end":160.16,"text":"You have to have the degree to understand."},{"start":160.18,"end":161.02,"text":"You have to have the degree to understand."},{"start":161.04,"end":161.88,"text":"You have to have the degree to understand."},{"start":164.31,"end":178.75,"text":"If you have anything else to say, between 3 and 4, I'll be here."},{"start":178.77,"end":179.51,"text":"I won't have a draft until 4 o'clock."},{"start":179.53,"end":179.77,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discussed legislative strategy regarding the Byrd amendment on chrome, focusing on the need to manage relations with Senator Harry F. 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