{"conversationCode":"288-002","tapeNumber":288,"conversationNumber":2,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-288-002","startDateTime":"1971-10-12T01:26:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-10-12T01:34:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Oct-1971","startTime":"9:26 PM","endDate":"11-Oct-1971","endTime":"9:34 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On October 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 9:26 pm to 9:34 pm. 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