On October 14, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, unknown person(s), H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Manolo Sanchez, White House operator, Gerard C. Smith, and John B. Connally met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:05 pm to 5:40 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 289-018 of the White House Tapes.
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Hi, Henry.
I thought you'd go over the subject in part first, and then I'd get all of them over just in case.
I've already talked to some of them about your, you know, the...
This is not the detail algorithm in that draft.
Let me, before we get a co-start from the final, base the four things that we're expecting to spend.
It's back to this end.
What's going to be there after this?
And it is going there.
And what happened, what you say tomorrow, is that everybody is under negotiations now going on this front.
In fact, if it blows up now, I'd do any trade with the enemy.
And really, but it won't blow up.
And then the Koreans will come through.
In reading this,
This book, of course, I get, actually, an uneasy feeling about the Japanese position there.
It's the French position, but they're concerned about China, what we're doing there.
That's why they're so damned.
They want to be on the right side of Taiwan.
that meet each support and all the rest of trying to, saw those people trying to get on the carcass.
And I see now that it's a very tough thing.
Also, in reading it, I'm convinced that, I won't credit any specifics, except that it is.
No, no, I'm convinced that,
We are probably going to come up with Chinese.
I mean, I think it's, as I read it, so the way we get them to it, they're asking us for everything and they're giving us nothing.
Now, if we come to that position,
we come to that position where we'll have a total withdrawal from Asia, and we'll get out of Korea, and we'll get out of Taiwan, and we'll get out of that, and in return from that, if they agree to have an American ambassador to make a little trade, that's what I'm saying.
I know that's what happens, but as I read the communique,
That is exactly what our critics would jump on.
They'd say sell out, appease them, etc., etc., etc.
So I think it's very important that a global solution to community is, you know, mine, not yours, but one that you have prepared for the art of the meeting when I get through.
No, no, I mean, none of them.
Obviously, we took it out on people because that's what it is.
You understand.
What I'm getting at is that I've been reading the devil's antics there.
What's the number of our enemies?
Let's do what we can.
Enemies here, I mean, politically, particularly the right.
And they're trying to create a thing we have to have in mind.
That's why we want to keep the community pretty open.
We have to have in mind that we cannot, and also this will help us with the Russians, that we do not appear to have gone in and pranked them or any of them.
It's a very gunning lock.
It's a very gunning lock.
I think I've got a problem.
It concerns me.
Mr. Chisholm, to get me my office, please.
Hey, to get Lord, to get me to communicate over to the E.O.B.
office of the President, wherever it may be.
Just put it in an envelope and send it in.
I've been waiting for it.
While we're waiting for that, I've been thinking, I'm going to see Cuddle here in a second.
And I haven't discussed further the possibility of going there.
Yes, he's agreed to that.
That's a great deal.
Let's talk a little bit more about that.
I think you should go to him.
Well, let me ask.
in view of the enormous importance of some of these economic things that I just haven't done, and frankly, nobody else would do it too well.
Would we be better advised to hold that in the stands?
I think it would be best to do that in front of the government.
For us?
Yeah, yeah.
It would stand to be added, wouldn't it?
For the environment, yeah.
Well, I think Conley was that.
The Laird thing, of course, is disturbing as hell.
The way he's playing and everything, and now jumping out on the truth thing.
The implications around the game, as usual.
Scott, of course, doesn't help anybody.
But, Mr. President, any comments today about what's he said?
He wants to go to one or two other countries.
About Japan?
I would say Indonesia and Japan.
And I'm not sure if it's Singapore, because I think it would be terribly helpful if these people sort of feel this strong around him.
And he didn't seem to be that excited.
It shows that we're sticking around.
Understand, oh, I know he'll do...
The thing about Tom, you have to remember though, he's so...
He's frankly totally selfless.
He'll do whatever we want.
He doesn't like the trouble he's in.
And you say to our other cabinet people, usually, we have to convince them, and they have to determine whether it's Finch or Rumsfeld or Richardson or, for that matter, our Andrew S. Well, I wonder if it's in their interest to go to Congress and ask them to go out and vote.
So we then have got to put ourselves in a position, and whether any of us, the problem we, the only problem I have is that with the 370th and the 13th, I guess, you know, we could probably do this trip in a day.
Well, I think we'll be able to do that in a day.
I'm sorry.
October, what's the date?
That's very good.
We definitely hear about it many times.
When I talk to him, I'll take the most time.
Give me the advantages again.
The advantages are, in terms of Vietnam, Lea is going to be dancing all over the place.
Lea is going to have one desire.
She's going to try to prove that he's the fellow who's structured your next troupe enough.
That's why you know what I'm planning to do?
Well, he's the main rapper first.
Let's beat the son of a gun, please.
He won't be back until the 7th.
No, no he won't.
We're going to pull that from right now.
You see, you've got this situation.
We'll go ahead from now.
So you have led that.
The one thing, something is going on again, because they just sent an OABID message.
So obviously mulling over the things we were giving them.
That's right.
So obviously mulling this over, obviously Patroni has given them something.
So anything we can do to make clear to them that if the future...
Some can't be.
But we ain't.
We're going to stick around.
That's right.
Therefore, I think Sen would be the strongest man.
Until you mentioned him, I hadn't thought of him.
But when you did, I thought he was an inspired choice.
Secondly, I think he would be terribly useful to talk to Suharto because the Indonesians may be getting a little chunked.
And we literally have no other captain who could go in there and say, listen, we need to stick around.
Japan, he can do anything.
I think he maybe ought to go to Japan.
That would be a very useful trip.
It would be useful in terms of your trip too.
And everybody would think it also gives a little bit of cover
The message in Vietnam is one we really want to get across in Vietnam and not in America.
Therefore, the Japanese aspect of it would give the cutter here.
Everybody would say, well, of course, China's got it over there.
You'll see them at the end.
Also, they agree on textiles.
Sending Kawa immediately is a nice move for China.
And sending Kawa to China in the sense, certainly, the strongest man who can have it into the Japanese, which is really a bad thing.
They haven't talked to the young man, and we'd announce the reason.
I'd like to announce the comment quickly.
So, if he agrees, we're ready to do it any time, Mr. Monk.
He was just talking about the way to do it.
Yeah.
Well, my inclination is to, and when he gets here, I'll have, we'll talk to him together, and lay it out.
But you have kept with him today because, oh yes, the answer is, he won.
He's good.
I told him that I wanted to understand that everybody
Well, his understanding would be different.
He had the best reason of anyone.
He said, no, he's only concerned about how many other countries he can go to.
And he doesn't want to go all the way out there without stopping.
So I think I would duly want you, actually, I think he ought to do, us pick the big ones.
I think he should do that.
Reagan, which he has already been in high on, but he did all that.
I think that he did.
He did this one, and Indonesia, and Japan.
That's enough.
LIC and McMahon, the McMahon period in Australia.
See, I don't, I just, and Japan.
And I would follow the parade.
He just can't, you know, he doesn't need to do all those things.
He's got a reason for all of them.
The other thing I was going to say is that the, before we go into the balance of this thing, I was going to review the odds on Wednesday.
On the troop announcement, I think we, because there's going to be such enormous speculation, I think we've got to move it up to about the 1st of November and get it done.
And it'll get Larry Reagan in chunks.
We can do it on the 1st of November, low key.
Now, can we get, you put Hayden in charge of getting that ready for me.
When do you get back?
Oh, well, you have plenty of time.
Just for our own planning.
The only reason I think you might want to leave at a little a.m. is because you didn't want to leave me if you said to November 1st that you might want to do it on November 4th.
It doesn't know what to say.
Well, oh, actually, for a meeting with you, I made it.
Do I have it accepted again?
Oh yeah, we're going to do it again.
What about if we just put it in?
And then we'll go back to one another?
Yeah.
That'll make a difference.
But I'm not sure if that makes that much difference to the Monday.
Well, we can go about the third.
But let's figure, let's figure about the third and the fourth.
The fourth, we can make that at any time.
Now, on the fourth, as I understand, we're just going to make an announcement regarding the one month withdrawal.
Two months withdrawal.
But it has to be something other than that.
I'll present rate is $14,300.
$40,000.
I'd like to protect the fully $20,000.
And the troops will definitely be, like we said, out of combat.
Out of combat.
Ground combat is open.
If you announce it, we announce it.
And no more refugees.
We're sure we can do those things.
You notice, for example, what will no more grantees, let me ask you, what will that do?
The morale out there and so forth.
The grantees out there are going to start peaking and so forth and so on.
You know, I was talking to all of them this morning.
He got that good figure for his direction, you know, so these networks, he said, you know, he never left the studio.
He said, CBS and NBC had seven or eight minutes to be on the line.
It was a little crash and pop.
One guy goes and grabs motorcycles for being, and they run into jeeps and so forth.
We take off the guys, and that other thing is that some of our troops have refused to go on a mission because it's a suicidal mission.
And just part of the craft, another one of them did, and he's building them up as being in support of the house.
They were ready to launch a hell of an offensive.
They were trying to launch a knife into their thighs.
But he's probably the one who got it.
How did you find that?
I had 24 news execs, both papers from Patrick.
Oh yeah, Patrick.
Or many of which were papers from the Tribune sometimes.
Were they all together in one place?
They were all together in one place.
They were not executives.
And I got a standing ovation, which these guys don't do, you know, at the end of it.
They got up, they all shook my hand.
Then, at the evening, two of these executives were at the first dinner.
Well, the first dinner was the smallest part of what I did.
I had gotten in to get together 150 of these top financial factors.
And I gave those briefs, and, you know, you'll probably see them every time.
And here's the list of people we had.
Sure, there are friends.
All my friends.
Well, again, I got another tremendous ovation from you.
And I wasn't even mentioning, I was speaking only about you.
The mood of these newsmen, you know I've been briefing in Chicago before, and basically, while they've always been respectful, they're a little suspicious of internationalism and just more hard-line.
Well, sometimes, no, but in your view, it's much more hard-line.
He took Patrick with his name to contribute for all that line afterwards, and particularly thanked him for the outstanding presentation I had made on value that is to them.
It was a really poignant move.
Why haven't you discussed some Soviet summit?
I discussed the relationship between the Chinese summit and the Soviet summit, why you were the man.
There's no other president who could even have conceived this, that we were shifting this into a new era of international relations.
Somebody said, isn't there a danger?
that our allies would be disappointed, and then I listed all the dangers very briefly, and I said, well, you have to compare this with the dangers of the status quo, and the dangers are just as challenged, and I'm not being aware of the dangers.
You got across the point, too, that I was the one to negotiate.
Although, that's what our last stage argument is, that there's nobody, I said to the president,
I read them from your first press conference where you said you would go at summits coldly and analytically and unsentimentally, that you were going to put them in as you carefully prepared.
But I was very dubious about going out.
Actually, one of the things I thought about when I was out there as president is,
whether, I'm not looking for additional work, I don't know, whether we should do this a little more systematically, of getting the leaders out.
That's not getting leaders of a community.
That's all work.
And because the reaction was absolutely electric.
And respect also on these businessmen.
Oh God, I was interrupted after, I gave maybe ten answers, after five of them there was applause.
I couldn't get out of the room, everyone wanted to shake hands with me.
And if they are cursive people it's even more interesting because he's after a whole sorrow.
At the end of the dinner, I only spoke three minutes, and I said something out there.
I said, did they use it?
I left after I made my speech.
I just made my speech.
That's fine.
But I just spoke three minutes.
I made a few jokes.
That's it.
One reason I came is because I knew these six senators who are here are going to be united in this race.
This is good because I've been trying to work with them for three years.
I've never seen them united in anything.
That's true.
And so at the end I said, then I spoke about a minute and a half about peace and what you're doing.
And then I just thought that was a sort of anti-climax thing.
And this is why the second Nixon administration, we would like to work with Senator Gershwin for a year, a big year.
But you called the news people in the smaller group, but the news people in the smaller group, it was absolutely the electric group.
Well, I had in mind they're doing a lot of things, you know.
I think we could return.
I want you to do, in the key states, I want you to do a New York group, I want you to do a Philadelphia group, I want you to do an Ohio group, and another, perhaps Northern California.
And the next...
I have to come into Texas.
And I've got, I don't know, maybe people are friendly, but Firestone and Schreiber and Cummings said that with this group they got together in Los Angeles.
I didn't think it would be the most enthusiastic they'd be.
I really had these businessmen there, I thought.
not just, you know, not just listening with interest, I had to really speak up.
What was most significant was when I was through with these movements, and at the time when I put them at another point, they all got up and started applauding, and good Patrick, you know, said, I want to shake your hand, Desmond.
It's never happened to me before.
I don't think you are in any...
Well, the problem is, some of the pictures on these TV people, as I said, they were ready to mount their fencing on Vietnam, and Franklin was on whining around about the fact that the election was crooked and all that sort of crap.
On the other hand, they must be petrified at the thought that, hey, we're going to end it on a man's field.
They're bitter.
You know, they're bitter about their soldiers.
They can't say it.
You can see them dying.
What do you think?
Well, what have they got left to say?
Dying, or something like that, really dying.
I mean, that soldier said he could put the other thing in the cage.
Well, how did they say not to put it in the cage?
It was done.
Well then, on this thing here,
The troop announcement, as I say, the pressure is building up on the main.
I guess we just whack it on the fourth.
It's the other.
It's the other announcement.
There's a layer on that.
So Bob, he's always kept strong and I think he's benefited.
He's always pulled out more than he said.
Another thing that I've got to work on while you're gone is the Taiwan vote.
The problem I have here is that it's considerably more serious than we would like to think.
They know over 300 members of the House, and I live with them, and that's a great condition right now.
And indicating their support is my own.
We have to really, really make the effort.
as strongly as we can, and use all of our influence, especially for the countries of anime and anime, we have no damn reason for any country to want to go on with the United States.
All this time, my view is that Taiwan will go out next year.
It shouldn't go this year.
It's not good for the Chinese.
I think we can make the fight.
So I have no idea as to what we could do, but if you could leave any instructions to anybody.
I've talked to God just this morning.
But what I told the day's radio is that I told you the other one, and I told you that there's not going to be any joking about it.
This is the question we consider crucial.
It's on everything, too.
And the next two are the Venezuelans.
They want their oil quarters.
Secondly, I had sent a time channel to J.M.
on telling him what you said before, and I'm telling him he should go in and see what's going on with it.
to tell him that she really meant it, right or personal.
The thing we have to avoid is the letters of viewers floating around the room.
I'm glad it does, because so I'm writing the letter.
Have I wrote written it?
No, no, but that's what some people want you to do.
Oh, hell no, I'm gonna write the letter.
If I could just put you out there, and they slap you down, then you're in a hell of a spot.
But if they slap you down, and also up to now the Chinese have played the game with us by not putting, they have not approached any country.
and told them that if they voted against Trump, that this would have serious consequences.
I mean, they have no fear to do this.
I agree, I agree.
What we can do, Mr. President, is to send oral notes to some of these neighboring countries.
From how do we do this?
Well, we can have the ambassador come in and say, we want you to know that this is to view a professor who would do an issue with her age with what you've gone through.
We have a draft of the notes now, and I'm going to let you see them.
And, actually, I'm going to report you to the FDA.
Yeah, I'll be gone tomorrow at 2 o'clock.
So, I'm going to write a meeting, send it in.
I don't have to see the notes.
I just want them to be from the cell.
That'd be tough.
We must tell the girl only, for example, they wanted you to write it to her.
Now it's turned out that they're going to vote with us any of them, so why waste the letter?
I want to be sure, though.
That's true.
Let's knock down.
And I think if we could witness that we have an enormous beneficial effect on our domestic situation, then we're going to have one hell of a time that we don't want to see.
We should have been at the right wing, let me put it this way, and get back to the general conversation about what we came to, which I realize is going to give us something that's not in common over there, in order to get into the problem.
But if we lose this vote, then
it's going to become pity.
And that's the point we've got to make with Joe and I.
In other words, that this would, the right wing would be up in arms, they don't want to cancel the trip to see my plane.
And they'll also watch everything we do over there with a very jaundiced eye.
And we are making a massive effort.
And today, they go back, of course, today they have a little more over there.
I don't see why you have to get involved with the Panamanians at all.
I mean, we can do a lot of the same.
And the only thing I have doubts about is to get UNA directly involved.
Oh, I don't want any wires.
Bill, please.
Yeah.
Bill himself had this idea.
All right.
And I was going to write it with him, and then it turned out he had planned it.
And did the hero knock him down?
Helped him in the right way?
Helped him in the right way.
Well, give him all the credit for it.
And these people are in it.
See my point?
Yeah.
Give him credit for it.
Good.
Alright, then I'll leave that where it is.
Now, back to this thing.
Now, this one is, we really shouldn't have shown you, because although it's good that we have the chance not to talk about it.
I don't, I'm not interested in it in any way, in any sense.
The only thing is that we've got to watch very carefully on anything we get here.
It appears that the United States is getting out of Asia, that we are, you know, even in the future.
I think we've got to pull back somewhat from that position.
You know, which is re-sort of a mansfield misinterpretation of an extractor regime.
We just get the hell out, period.
I think it's terrible.
The other thing is, with both Taiwan and Korea, we've got to watch the sell-off conference.
It's going to be very, very... Mr. President, I think we shouldn't put Korea in there at all.
I don't like it at all.
This is...
But it's in there as a contingency, and I don't think...
I think we should take the position in respect to Korea that you are prepared to talk about it.
But it would be a mistake to include it because it raises the question of how many other countries we were discussing.
Now on Taiwan, I don't care.
That has to be just worked out.
Well, the language that we have on Taiwan, we're going to have to work on it before we get there.
I keep that open.
I wouldn't agree to anything firm as to what we say about Taiwan when I get there.
I think that has to be somewhat of a look.
Although you have to stay with the indigenous language before you go to Thailand.
But I think in terms of language, you know, we have to push it a little bit one way or another.
It's really a question of the tone.
We have this problem, Mr. President, which is important to decide on, which is the more dangerous position to be in.
If you have no language at all, if you're sitting there under the gun, more than if you have some candidate's language, so to speak, you're not completely at the mercy of that person.
I don't mind you telling me that.
And we believe it.
Don't have it just locked up so that we can't change it.
But of course, once we've talked about this, now, what we have in China, on Taiwan, is realistic what they are saying.
And then we say that we are aware of the fact that all Chinese maintain the data from China.
That's true for most of the countries, that's true.
And that we will support all these collectors to reach an equitable solution.
Thank you to each collector.
There's one paragraph which I take out, which is bad, which says, President is disabled, the public is not able to refuse his voice, which I don't think is good.
And I think we can put this document with presence in a plan that's more of the military forces, so that we don't say what is wrong, and we can take out the Korean thing altogether.
The only thing there is I'd be a little tougher, I'll consider being tougher with them on Laos and Cambodia.
I don't give them anything.
They're in a stronger position, particularly on Cambodia, than they are.
And a lot stronger than we were when we were there in October.
So I'd be tougher on Cambodia and I'd be tougher on Laos.
and I would give a goddamn inch of extra individual to discuss it.
But with Japan, I believe that we have got to frankly scare the Jesus out of them more on Japan.
It's just my sense as I read through this.
I can see what they're doing.
He's talking in some tough, strong language.
But on the other hand, here's the key thing.
They have got to become convinced that a Japan and, going further, a non-communist Asia without the United States is potentially more dangerous to them than an Asia with the United States.
Now, you made that point, but I hit it right on the nose.
I said, now, we're going to stick around.
We have to stick around.
What do you want?
If we get out, Japan will have no choice.
But they'll take a turn to that.
Hell, Japan will do its own thing.
That's what they're going to do.
So we think this is a bad party, but I think we've got a nice look.
I think the Japanese are being terribly difficult.
And it is true.
Larry's right.
They're trying to build up their common power, their nuclear power.
We're trying to restrain them.
In order to restrain them, we have to keep our commitments to them.
And that's the way it's going to be.
I lay that out very, very hard in front of Japan, that we can't, that we've got to stay there to control it.
The best way we can scare them is with the Japanese.
I think Conway Smith is going to be helpful.
And I think the Sandoz meeting with you, I think I'm putting our feet up to the point we do.
I'd ask once to explore the truth, but it won't be that good.
And then my idea would be that out of that meeting, only you and you would invite a group of people to be impacted.
And then we'd probably have to reach out to the end and say, I'm grateful you're not coming, although I don't know what to do.
Well, I'm beginning to think that that guy is big.
He's just a stubborn politician.
He's just hoping.
He's just a stubborn guy.
And he's not as, as he said, his feelings were good.
The fact that he asked them to hold on and ask them, okay, we went to China.
And then we went to China ourselves.
One had nothing to do with the other.
The U.N. position had nothing to do with it.
I mean, you know, I heard a whole lot of things.
There was a Japanese meeting.
There was a British meeting.
There was a British meeting.
There was a British meeting.
There was a British meeting.
If once they get through this present government period, it becomes more inevitable that the Japanese will have a more independent policy of districts than the Chinese.
And the Chinese will be more scared by an independent Japanese policy than by anything else.
I've talked about both the Laos and Cambodia section and the Vietnam section anyway.
The main thing I feel is, I think he's got to get, he's got to get to feeling, you know, actually.
and all that sort of thing.
It was goddamn tough.
Because I think that now they must not feel they have it over the barrel and we have to come and do it.
That's because we didn't have stuff that existed out there in July.
I know we had a lot of equipment for Soviet, but then it wasn't in Vietnam.
Domestic, they did it better off.
Well, I was thinking 50 or 70.
That was impressive.
I didn't come back without anything from speaking in July.
It was just not happening.
And they were driving us crazy.
I won't even say the second point.
Yeah, I have a question about that.
The crack that was there got cut off on 2nd September.
I remember.
So, uh, quite a battle.
So, uh, when you say, what did we get out of it?
And as a matter of fact, you said they sold you something.
Oh, I know we're getting a trip.
I... No, no, I'm thinking, what I'm saying now is that that's all that we've forgotten by the time we go there.
By the time we go, all the Democratic politicians
cynical bastards and the hard right on our side will be examined and say who won and who lost so therefore what i would like is a very close i would much prefer a little rather free goodwill
The oral promises, not by this, but to be carried out the next year.
Now, we know what's involved here in the oral promise.
Sure.
But then, if they know our word, we can get that also disembarked statement our getting back in.
If you are apprised, I give you the authority to make the oral promise.
Everything you've said in the oral way, I don't mind.
But I publicly...
If I can reiterate the oral promises,
and tell them this is the only way they can detect.
For example, we'll take the nylon that we know in Korea.
We can work that out in a horrible way.
except I worked out the world, but also, but I would stay very, very firm in the fact, now look, the United States is a Pacific power, an Asian power, and we're going to maintain a great concern.
I'm just very strong in that, and I wouldn't give anything down the road that we're just going to get a lot of the, or the other ones.
I would say that on that point, that's our concern.
And frankly, it's there.
And also, we're concerned.
You want to remember that your northern neighbors are also Pacific Island.
We've got to stay there for that reason.
Well, that goes to Mr. Mousa.
We can give the note, comfort all of Thailand, of Indonesia, of Korea.
You know I want a total withdrawal from Japan or from Korea.
We can't say we can send it out in Korea, which is in fact our plan right now.
So that's not, we cannot say we will withdraw our bases from Japan, from the Philippines, and so forth.
But what I had told them, of course, was that things could be done.
I had told them the two-thirds of our forces would leave when Vietnam was open, and we'd leave within six months, but we'd get to Vietnam.
And that the remainder would be sent out as tensions, as peaceful progress is made.
The way I would like to have a promotional language worked out and communicated later is more of a start of a positive thing.
Both sides agree, as do both the government of the People's Republic and the government of the Republic of China.
There is one China.
Both sides, the United States and the Soviet Union, the People's Republic of China, agree that there should be a peaceful resolution
and they will not say that that is our thing.
Well, you got it in.
Yeah, I got it in by saying, you say there should be a peaceful resolution, and he says that he has no intention, you see, so it's not a commitment.
All right.
This is close.
I see.
But if you are willing to say, he would give a lot, if you are willing to say that the United States will not support a true China solution,
That's correct.
If you're going to convey that, then we can make a lot of other drafts.
Well, the two-china solution, even the ROC, is not good enough to legislate that.
But I don't want to...
But let's not get our U.N. division compromised.
Let's suppose we have to be lucky and win the vote.
We can't profess it, we can't use it in our communication, we can't take it out on you.
None of us can communicate with you and say there's a blue-china civil war.
We will not promote the blue-china civil war.
I can't say without prejudice to anything.
So what I think is that you're talking about the one kind of people, and I think we're safe in doing that because that's the ROC's position.
That's correct.
And then in the U.N. we take the position, we're not saying there are two China.
We're saying there's just one Russia and one China.
One Russia with three roses, one China with two.
That's what I know.
All right.
That's what I said last time.
The thing we have to look for is that there be a revolution.
I know.
There needs to be a negotiation.
Somewhere down this road, there's going to shine a light that either one of the things are going to happen, we have to fix it, we have to deal with it.
Either he is going to get his patients, and then there's going to be a blow-up in their relationship with you, because they'll demand quick support.
So the only thing I think is that we have to remember that everything always comes out.
I don't think we can have a secret deal that we sold out Taiwan.
I know that I know what we're doing.
Let's be very careful.
We cannot give up the next movement.
The presence of our forces, our forces, they are really...
I know that I know I have to dance all over the place when we come to accept the real, uh,
I mean, you've got to prepare the whale a little more, too.
Oh, yes.
I would like you to be a little tougher than me.
Well, then I'd like to beat you out of the more unpleasant situation.
Now, I don't know whether you want to talk about what's next in my bar this year, because I want to give you my judgment for whatever it is.
Well, he's coming over.
Oh.
No, no, I can wait to get you.
I can move on with your argument.
But you'd rather have to do it alone.
Go ahead.
My judgment is that I have had research done on heads of state, and because we use it in our state businesses, we don't recognize each other.
So it's already, from a political point of view, complicated business.
Secondly, no head of state since the Cultural Revolution.
has crossed this line.
Nobody has, since the Cultural Revolution.
Before that, it happened two times.
Secondly, there is no counterpart to you and therefore to Mrs. Nixon.
Joe and I are in a way, or Joe and I as Prime Minister, the head of state is the President.
Mao was, you know, the chairman of the Communist Party.
They're presidents.
is to be used, show, or whatever it is.
He's under house arrest.
I wasn't thinking, frankly, in terms of any .
But it will raise a protocol question.
And it raises this protocol question, because Madame Mao is the leading cultural revolutionary.
And if she becomes the hostess, it gives the cultural revolutionaries their two problems.
Either she may use it to show how she can do it,
or else it gives the cultural revolutionaries a terrific boost.
On the other hand, another possibility is Manan Chow.
Now, Manan Chow is already under attack for being too pro-American.
Previous treatment stayed.
Once again, I'm out.
One of the charges against the previous head of state when he was purged was that he took his wife to Indonesia just like a bourgeois.
It wasn't just like a capitalist.
He took his wife into the country.
And while there, she behaved in a bourgeois way.
whatever that means.
So Madame Chao has to go.
If she is one way, then it is another way.
If she is another way, so it's racist.
Let me say, the problem is not any desire on her part to go.
The problem is that, which we have to recognize,
is that, of course, there is great historical significance in this visit and so forth.
But these are total cognizance of the question.
I said, what do we get out of them?
We're getting propaganda on them.
And even the Japanese will on their ears.
We're learning the Russians.
We're gaining that much, that's for sure.
On the other hand, in terms of the situation here,
And I use as an example my Russian, but the most important thing in my Russian home was not the incurable conversations I had with Lee in the seven hours in one gig, two hours in another.
What made it was the fact that there was a piece of sung public in it, which he did not object to, after it had once happened.
There had to be, it's long to know, in the gaming zone, who are the pirates?
What I'm getting at, what I'm getting at is that it is enormously in our interest
to have something other than, I had three nights that I would talk about the one point in time and the places that this is something I want.
The time that we're there, we have some
something else than network anchorman there commenting on his mission on a program.
That's all right.
That's all you're going to have.
You're going to have to have that out of the group.
Oh, he is.
Oh, Gary.
That's right.
They may not approve any.
What I'm getting at is, what I'm getting at is, some, we have to, and this, of course, will color your discussion with regard to the logistics.
It's very much in our interest, of course, we're not trying to hold it in hand.
I don't want to do it in that way.
But it's very much in our interest to have some for the American people to see this.
unknown land and to see some individual contact with them, to see my point.
That is what matters.
That's infinitely more important than the picture with Mao Zedong.
Infinitely more important than I spent four hours with them.
You see, it's different.
This is the point.
But what is a triumphant people?
It's 750 million people.
Now, I get back to the Russian experience.
You notice the bears, and Russia at that time was about where China was now during the Lenin era.
Where Moscow, Moscow was the closest to closing itself.
Nobody at the airport except there would be nobody, and that was where the Lenin era, the place came apart.
You notice the bears, the same.
But that is what made an enormous depression in terms of public reaction here.
The fact that Russian people... You see, our people are suckers to the fact that maybe their folks really doesn't mean something.
Now, you and I know they don't mean a goddamn thing.
I'd be better off than to go over there in an isolation chamber and just talk to these people and not have anybody.
I don't want it.
But my point is, we've got to find some way, every time we can, to get them.
some indication of warm up people, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Now, the message makes a deal in one way, one way, in the best that it works out.
The best that don't.
One way to have it.
some appearance with public people.
Now, I realize it builds up the confidence that they'll put her through a business, and they'll be able to send her to the high and air camps, to the air guard camps, and all that crap, and so forth and so on.
What a great job that they're doing.
What I'm getting at is, go back to your ping pong experience.
The enormous entrance in that thing was a lot of people, you know?
Well, what we have to do then, in terms of, if we can, in terms of advantage on this, in addition to, are very, are vitally important negotiations or discussions.
We have to, if they do not jeopardize those discussions, we have to have, have to use any opportunity we can to get anything out.
That's why I think on the communications point,
The way I would sell that is very simply that I, because, frankly, of my need to be in control of the black box, I have to have that with me.
I think you can black it out and then hunt the ground fish.
Like I had that with us.
You see, I had a leading China expert in today, the man who first told me that I was ready for what was happening on the frontiers.
And I said, what do you think the maximum number of people is going to be able to send them all together and everything, and for it?
And he was, he used to be in Hong Kong as the consul.
He really knows the area well.
Sure, I can settle that.
And, I mean, the ground station I think is probably settled.
But there are two problems with all of these things that we have developed.
One is, what is saleable?
And what price do we pay for even proposing certain things?
Now, as you pointed out before when we were discussing substance, what we want from there is
if they give us some fuzzy language in terms of the promise of the future of the world.
On that, everything depends on their assessment of how serious we are, and what sort of people they're dealing with, if they get the idea that we are just exploiting them.
One other thing, let's start around again while we're waiting for what I'm planning to do now.
I'm cutting the trip for three days.
I do not want that the idea of seven days is appropriate for all of us, and one of seven we can't.
I think that, yeah, that will cut the number of, it will cut the number of receiving service and it will also cut the number of communications and the rest.
And that's enough to have three intensive days of talks rather than going over there and just, you know,
So I think that helps.
There's another way, too.
The beauty of the three-day trip is that it doesn't look like we're doing something there that we, frankly, haven't done in every other country.
I ultimately made one-day stops in every other country in the world, two days in Romania.
But I think three days is rough.
Three full days is tough.
That means you can't do much more than that.
Hold on.
Russia's doing it.
Russia, I want to say, is tough.
Well, I don't recommend it.
I don't know if that's for the Chinese.
I don't think it's for the Chinese.
I don't really care about Russia.
Russia is three days, and I'm not running.
I really would say that's one of the things we have.
I didn't like the idea of three days, and I can't go.
You know, I'd take myself an extra day because we get enough.
Go to four, but don't go over four.
You see, no, see, the first day is basically a lost day.
Let me say it, let me say it, let me say it.
There's never been no president.
In my hand, we've made a statement that's a long and important one.
That's our executive rule.
And I just not go over that.
I can't talk about it.
I have no problem with it.
And the more serious, the more business-like.
Right.
But on the other hand, I'm not talking about gallivanting around and going into the shops and factories and so forth.
I'm not saying it.
But I'm just saying, remember, if you get over there, Jacob and the rest of you have recovered.
don't miss an opportunity, if it can be worked out, for them to give a good welcome.
You understand?
We've got to have that.
And you can also point out the Russians are going to be there.
In other words, we've got to have masses of Chinese people, and they've got to see something of me with people.
Now, the reason I mention this is because of what I had in mind, and you played it by ear.
At least don't go there.
You just said that you believe in putting a low-key profile, then what do you think should come?
Would you prefer this to mix or not come?
If you could tell me frankly how you want it to come out, I think so too.
Well, I don't want it to come out that way.
I don't want it to come out the wrong way.
The only advantage of her is that if she were to go, then I don't have to be anyone.
I just meet them at the airport and go in and I get positive for four days.
And she goes out to the goddamn schools, you know what I mean?
So that they get the feel of Americans.
You see, there's a missionary feel about China.
And it is like the idea that we love the goddamn Chinese.
That's what I really have in mind.
I understand.
I understand.
She knows.
I'm not Mrs. Rogers.
Nobody else.
There's so many of them.
That's what I'm thinking of.
I don't want her, I don't believe that she kisses kids about going to school, but she has no idea that she ought to go.
This is bad.
uh, an animatic ship with Russian girls.
Oh, yeah, well, that's, well, that's, no, no, she went, she went, for sure.
But the only reason I'm trying to think of some way that we can get some color into this thing, color has become this really important, because the words of our committee are an animatic ship made, and they're not going to make any point for us at all.
You see my point?
Well, if I don't remember, it would be a fact that the reason that we've done something like this, you know, I don't understand what it means.
Yes, I know Henry, but that's only going to happen on the last day.
The worst thing was, they are still talking about Khrushchev.
Khrushchev broke his ticket in 59 when he came there and they somehow got the idea that he would be found.
Well, we're not going to do it.
And that is...
It was the same thing here.
It was a lie.
It depends on how you look at it.
I think you have to know that it's the police that's just as relevant to them.
They don't give a damn.
I think that the violators that you were well advised to point out, the receptions, the receptions that you just lost, they want to know what I mean.
Well, ways to get it out, and we'd like to see a little of this sightseeing over the Great Wall.
No one likes to do that.
People, people, yes.
To the extent that we can do people, yes.
But I don't want to go to the Great Wall.
I don't want to go to the Great Wall.
If they want me to, I will.
The Great Wall might be a way, if you drive, if you have to drive, you know, drive you through where people are.
Well, part is there, but people don't know that.
When we came into Moscow, to show you how tightly controlled it was in 1959, there was nobody on the streets.
Not a goddamn soul.
And the streets were cleared.
Because they didn't put it out.
We came into Leningrad, believe it or not, after the word just got out word about it.
There were a million people on the streets.
And I delivered the plan, the whole thing.
And it worked.
Khrushchev didn't mind it a bit, after it was done.
That's where I wonder if you're after the people things, if you should go to one other city.
You could do one on the way.
The only way to do another city would be to fly over to it.
And then fly back.
Or fly over to London.
And on the way out, it was almost as if they wanted you to come in and Shanghai so that you could get together and have a good time.
So instead of that, now that you can see, you can come out and fly down and get out and see.
Well, you've got to run for it.
But you see, my point, I think that the, I think that the, I say this, if you do another city, let that add one day, five days, I think your talks are going to take four days.
I mean, particularly with Mao.
But you need to know the translations.
I spend, and we cannot put the president through it.
It's too dangerous.
I mean, you can do it.
I spent two sessions of nine hours a year too long.
That cannot be the students.
I won't deal with that for traveling that far.
So for that reason, so what we're really talking about is if we want, we can have four days and if we have an extra city, one day only.
So you're at it, but the one day of the extra city would not be overnight.
Here's the way that I knock off.
I mean, I met my Secret Service and I'm going to attend that when I see it.
Right boss?
What can you get it down to then?
The problem is, we have to be, we have to be flexible.
Because to them, they may have to pay off their own political debts.
Each of these provinces has their own chief.
And they may insist on showing up.
Well, if they want that, I may, if it's something that they want, I understand.
Where?
Provided.
Provided it's with them.
But listen, if you do that, get my point.
You understand, your visits to provinces, you know, a visit to a province for a Jew would mean a recession.
That, let me tell you,
on American television by Bill Moore or any other surreptitiously out or any other American president being received by Hayden Cheney could have a hundred times the effect that he did.
Oh yeah.
That's what it's all about, see.
And you see, our people are so goddamn naughty.
They think that means something.
You and I know it doesn't mean a goddamn thing.
In fact, I take offense, Mr. President, that you get it.
Well, they said a warm reception.
They said a warm reception.
They may have done that personally.
But you see, I think we're all on the right.
I think you've got it good.
Now, they check out a lot of people personally.
They make sure it's...
They rehearsed demonstrators who do things with buttons or signs.
Bob, you've got to come down to this now.
If we come down to the most, let me put it in order, in order to compress, the most important.
So if no writing press goes, you've got to have television.
Is that clear?
So therefore, ground station number one, television number two, writing press three.
Now, we're going to give you a list of people, and I'm going to pick them off.
And at the bottom of the list of the writing press will be people that write for individual papers.
Next will be the people that write for magazines.
They come off.
Next will be the wire services.
the wire services probably have to go but we bought i just think you've got to i saw those lists where you have a three-man crew in case you may have to be able to get it down now with regard to the television you may have to end up if you get down to it i start for free you know because they're so terribly competitive but if you got to get the television about go to one a pool
It's all just got to do it.
We get it down to, you know, they say 40 people.
Now on the communications personnel, if you do that, they will put it in the ground station.
On the communications personnel, I can only say that we...
We just got to, let me put it this way.
Communications personnel and turf are important, and the Secret Service is important.
But in terms of our interests, that television and that AP funnel may be more important.
You see my point?
So if you talk about whatever we're going to have, 30 or 40 Secret Service, or five TV guys gone out and cut the Secret Service ban,
I know it's hard, and I know they hate it, but...
If you give me a list of what is involved, if they want me to stay overnight, see, I can help them.
They're afforded to keep this church a minimum, they're not planning an overnight trip.
But if they want to come...
If they, for their own reasons, would like you to stay overnight, that's right.
The penalty for that is X number of... No, we'll just go thin.
We'll just go thin.
I'll note it down.
For your information, I'm on my thin side.
I'm going to change the orders with regard to how to get used to do this.
Instead of having, so you can get the aircraft on, instead of having the aircraft steward, I want my steward.
Now Munson can double.
You see what I mean?
I don't need him anymore.
I mean, I've got to have somebody else.
Huh?
All right.
What you see?
OK. Munson is the man.
Nobody else.
See, the aircraft crews are brought there if they can land the plane and then fly out except for the county number one.
But I do need Munson to stay there.
Bob, I do need Munson and nobody else.
Now you see, Munson can do everything for me.
He can do absolutely everything.
and can double in cooking every night.
It's too bad he won't do it.
But, I said L.A., on the dock provisions, only one.
Not one for the press, one on hand.
And one other question, as far as the test capability goes, we have to have the travel.
That's easy.
We can come back to that.
I think we're going to have to focus on that.
My guess is they won't want us to go to another city.
Oh, yes.
That's without any question.
They want you to go to another city.
Well, you have freedom of action on that.
You understand.
Going to the other city will get us good television coverage in the United States.
Of course, but going to the other city is something to go there and see some more cities.
You have $2,000 in residence.
I think you ought to go to at least one city.
in order to have a precedent for doing it in Russia.
If you insist that in China, you go only to Beijing, while in Russia you go to Leningrad.
All right, we've had a day for that then.
So we're down to five days now.
I like the idea of no more than five days.
That gives you five days.
And then it's between the conversations.
And also, if you are in the city, if you go to another city, if you place that right,
It might turn out that I stay behind to communicate and you take Raj and whoever you want along to the city.
It would sure be desirable not to spend the night in the other city because we could avoid it.
We should go do it and come back then.
Well, it's negotiable.
From this, we have, it's negotiable.
This is negotiable.
He's the guy.
You're negotiable in another city.
It's better not to take it.
We don't have credit.
I don't think it's going to be all that much trouble.
If they prefer it, it means a hell of a lot.
Let's go.
Frankly, in terms of what I would like to do, I'd like to see another city, and I'd like to spend it to get the view of the goddamn place.
That's one thing about the communist system.
The capital is the least, it's like Washington, it's the least representative.
It's so tightly controlled.
You get another city, it's a hell of a different thing.
And it's better than China.
And I think exactly what Russia has found here.
Russia needs more in China because these proud chiefs, they still have a little bit of the world over this.
in the sense that the reasons are pretty... Let's come back to the women thing.
The Missing Fiction thing.
Do you see your reason?
Play that in a way that you feel uncomfortable.
Well, you're comfortable if I did this.
I don't know what the page was after.
We've established some rapport.
I hope you're in line with the Christmas that we discussed with them.
I would only him in an interview.
And then you say, now look, I want to say there's an enormous interest in America.
There's a great interest on the part of Mrs. Nixon.
On the other hand, we recognize the problems.
And you can also say, and also Mr. Prime Minister, Mrs. Nixon is going to Russia.
I've been invited.
She always goes with the president.
And she has another trip.
So she goes with the president, and now she is going with her.
Be very honest with us.
That's right.
And it is an opportunity to convey to the American people the human side of the trip, since the president will insist on working all the time.
Do you, on the other hand, know what your requirements are?
I'm raising it at this point, the President is, you know, I'll put it in this way.
That's right.
If he says no, I, uh, no, I, uh, he won't say no, but he'll say, I will then feel what you're saying.
That's exactly it.
Oh, sure.
That's the way I want to handle it.
It isn't, it isn't, it isn't something that should be pressed on me.
As a matter of fact, I have now determined to that I think probably due to the fact that we're going to need quality, we're probably going to have to take the women's section here.
I hate my hill to do it because that's no good for the pain in the ass.
So, there's one thing understood, Bob.
We already told them.
And this only applies to Rosa.
They are to attend nothing on the muster submissions there.
See what I mean?
No.
Everything's to be spent.
If she isn't there, I want everything spent.
You can't get that because they have so many women and those people.
Well, that's all right.
But I don't.
They'll have to have programs for all the people.
But if Mrs. Nixon isn't there, I might have chosen.
Oh, I don't care whether that's chosen or not.
They don't want it over there.
But you see what I mean?
I don't want our secretarial staff to think they've got to go to the parties because then they're working.
Do you understand what you're bringing to that point?
Yeah, we won't let that be up.
I don't.
Well, also, they've all got a devil in them, gross, and I have to work for them all that much, and that's got to be a big deal, too.
But she is so competent that she ought to be there.
If we had to get something out of, you know, somebody like a valiant, you know, like that, you know, I made my secret service, et cetera, et cetera.
And I was there, short of life, that's where I was.
I was just a good-looking man.
I said, you know, all of a sudden, I'm going to be a good-looking man.
And I thought to myself, I'm going to be a good-looking man.
I did.
well i mean everybody's equal as well let me let me say hello henry let me say again if it's that's the way they want it i understand all that but i just want you to know that we're just telling you now we're going to be hard as hell and everybody that part of the only people that have to attend anything are you rogers and me understand i know this dude got a mustache yeah i i have no interest in
Well, let me tell you the main reason.
You dropped in the main design.
You'll resign.
Well, let's do that.
He hasn't told me that.
That's why I'm going with it.
I don't... Well, you sure shouldn't take another assignment.
Well, basically, that's in case you have to resign.
I don't... We don't have any need for a chief protocol.
We don't have any diplomatic relations with them.
We don't have an ambassador.
I mean, also, Buzz is not smart enough to handle this sort of thing.
You know what I mean?
In terms of, it's a, I mean, I say smart enough.
He doesn't have your sophistication.
This sort of thing is, it's the people that have to do it.
And my defense doesn't.
Now Russia, you can tell.
They have a chief of protocol.
But they have a chief of protocol that has to do it.
Is that right?
What's your feeling about life?
They have to keep protocol, let it go.
They have to.
He will not be.
Do you see him being this way?
Well, he's kept to his minors, and it's... Oh, of course.
They won't be surprised if you bring in the Chief of Clone Control, because then I'm the Chief of Clone Control.
I'm just thinking that I'd love some fine rain.
I don't care.
If I'm fine with me, they're going to have one.
Right.
I'm not very confident with myself, but... Do you think I have to have one?
I guess so, yeah.
That's a question.
Yeah.
Just one.
That's a son of a bitch work all day.
Somebody probably, yeah.
I'm not sure I want the trip to be in some of those things.
We'll put him on the list.
Yeah.
You understand what I mean?
I know you understand what I mean.
I don't trust interpreters.
When we talk to Sato, he's got them and I don't want some State Department asshole here.
I'm afraid of the interpreter.
We still need to put it out there.
Thank you for Roger's obedience, but with mine, let's trust them.
And then, of course, we'll have an English version of everything and they'll initiate it.
It's designated.
We've got our version, and they've got theirs.
We have what you said in English.
That's my point.
And that's the important thing.
You'll be there to take down everything I say.
I don't come, there are conversations.
You sent me for a trip.
You do have to go with Rogers.
But we ought to have them on the list so that they would know what kids do.
That's right.
Greg, if you think Mossbacher has to go, I don't think the resignation thing was the reason for it, but it should be a reason.
What the hell?
Why didn't he resign?
Has he told you he wouldn't?
Yeah, he's thinking he can't resign.
Well, maybe he really should.
I mean, he's been a wonderful guy.
He's got, as I say, great to have around.
But it's a lousy job.
It's a lousy job.
Why don't we give him another job?
He doesn't want another job.
We don't want another job.
What would he like?
What could we give him?
He's such a big guy.
I think if he could resign, we should make him resign.
You know, because he's a leader.
Oh, listen, I'm for it a thousand percent.
No, what I mean is, for example, what I meant is, why couldn't we give him, what do you like here?
We couldn't do NATO, could we?
I was interested in an idea, too.
I thought he didn't want to leave here anymore.
No, I think he wants to travel to this country.
You asked for the class, but you did much better than us.
Yeah.
Well, how about, uh, in this country?
Oh, I guess he just wants to live in the city, you know, where there's more ice.
Yeah.
Well, he's been a while, hasn't he?
I don't think we're going to have to do it.
We can.
You know, you've got lots of people.
I heard Bonnie is the only one who's ever handled the president of a communist country, so he thinks he should go.
We can have those.
We don't have to decide that.
I'm sure we can have five people.
You can tell the officials how they are going to do it.
Don't tell anybody.
Don't tell anybody.
Fine.
Not everybody wants to do it.
And I understand that they are doing it.
Huh?
That's exactly right.
You've got, you know, all of us.
Nelson had had an idea of a downer fluid, and there's nothing better to have on treasured as he's thinking of buying something else.
And he's back to the fact that he's got the other one.
I realize how to tell a number, but you've got the argument all set there.
You know what the key is.
And they mentioned they'd come up with boarding plans.
But remember, Bob, I'm just telling you, the people have to come off somewhere that people tell them not to come off.
I understand what you're saying.
I understand what you're saying.
I understand what you're saying.
I understand what you're saying.
I understand what you're saying.
I don't know why it is.
They must know what you've got in the country.
Were the ones to use Paris through Romania and Yugoslavia.
I see.
Indonesia and Paris.
Paris and Yugoslavia and Romania.
What do they run?
The...
I'm trying to find the total.
Oh.
Always throw up on the fact that Russia's going to be after it.
They agree with that.
You see, you say that they must know.
I lied.
No, I'm not going to do that.
You can take it.
Give it as far as you can.
You've got 17 in the official party, 15 in the unofficial party, 26.
What's unofficial with that?
That's the non-protocol type people, the backup staff.
Okay.
Secretary.
76, 32, okay.
26 military, plus 101 aircraft.
Okay.
76 walker.
That's good.
35 press staff.
429 preps.
That's interesting.
That's interesting.
They may track up the figures.
We landed five aircraft that stayed in the country, plus two that came in and went out, plus two aircraft with the preps.
Right.
That's good.
We used 100 cars, two station wagons, 16 trucks, and eight buses.
That's good.
That's good.
That's good.
That product might close down.
Yeah.
And Romania is basically the same.
Romania was more oppressed.
Romania was 471 oppressed.
By the way, we were coming around.
But the average of those tribes, Indonesia, France, Pakistan, Yugoslavia, and Romania, the average of five tribes was 16 in the official party, 15 in the unofficial party, 22 military, 45 Waka,
73 press.
4 aircraft, plus 2 that went in and out.
And we've got all the stuff on facilities and ground stations and personnel and... What's that you thought?
I think that that makes it even better.
That's kind of, you know, the whole shot and beat.
Oh, yeah.
That made my life easier to see where we were coming from.
Oh, yeah.
88 military 55 What are the military?
45 WAPA 76 WAPA to 45 35 Cresta to 10 429 Cresta to 85
Every day they send it in.
We're just banging on it.
We've got a case for each one of them.
I must say, without Bob, we never got this done, cooked together, because when I was dealing with these people, I didn't realize what Bob had to do with it.
When I was dealing with them, they wouldn't listen.
And we learned, you know, this has been a valuable exercise, because I've found out stuff.
Hughes was saying the same thing.
And he was, incidentally, he's done a superb job on all this stuff.
But he was saying, you know, we really learned a lot of stuff we didn't know.
How many people really were involved in all these things?
You think there's too many?
Sure.
Well, thank God.
There are too many.
There are, Bob.
But the reason there are is a valid reason to be used to it that way.
Well, no.
Well, partly because they used to do it that way, and it's partly because they staff for whatever might happen, rather than, they staff for the maximum need rather than the minimum.
They're prepared for anything that might take place.
They're staffed so that when you pick up a phone, there's an operator on the other end of it.
Now, when we get over there, you pick up the phone, there won't be an operator.
You have to wait.
He may get there and he may not, because you have one guy running 35 phones.
Even with 35 walkers, it's only one guy.
It's only one operator.
One operator on the floor.
Yeah, they do all kinds of other stuff.
Fantastic job of figuring all this stuff out for the first time.
Well, it's good we've learned.
Just take a look at you and cut down as you are.
We decided that we're going to do some future trips with you in the future.
Well, that was what we were talking about.
And we cut the Secret Service down in some ways.
Oh, God.
Each of these things we're used to having cleaned up.
That's right, that's right.
Well, we all are.
I've got a monster.
I don't know.
But what that means is we need one room where everyone can just come and just talk.
That's right.
There'll be a controller.
As long as there's a controller in the room, you just can't be talking with a lot of people.
That's right.
You don't have the luxury of knowing that your space is secure.
I will be able to sweep cake, which you might have seen in a comedy of Spree and Camorra.
Your coal is much better than my coal.
Let me tell you, I'm not trying to rush into it at any time.
We're free.
And I have Secretary Cotton's office.
Secretary is home.
Yeah.
Plenty of brothers.
This is one of the worst.
The President's free now anytime it's convenient for the Secretary to come over.
Whenever he finishes, maybe he can put you on to the EOB office.
He wants to see you.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Hello.
Put your, put your, punch your button.
Oh, yeah, that's better.
Great.
No, that's really great.
Um, can we move to the final time appointment?
In fact, maybe we'll do it tomorrow morning.
I tried to get the change to the actress in the memorial service at 11 o'clock, but I did call Mrs. Atchison and I sent her a military aid.
And we lowered the flag, which has never been done before.
That incident was in the lead paragraph of the answer to the question.
President Nixon ordered that all government bodies be passed out before the end of the day.
Never been.
What was done in the Donaldson was the one.
But not for one.
The old man was quite off.
He was kind of damaged.
I wish we had him around now, don't you?
I guess so sorry that you never got a chance to talk to him, except that he was spying all day that day and he popped off the time.
Well, that's sure a great way to do it.
I talked to him two weeks before the election, and that's when he said to me that somebody asked him if he had any trouble supporting somebody for the presidency in 1970.
He said, I have no trouble at all.
I support the president.
I must say, Mr. President, I also, I asked a lot of these people at the reception, how the prospects were, and then there's Pope from Florida.
Yeah.
She said six months ago she wasn't asking for something.
She said now that she doesn't see how they can move on, they've cut it off.
I said to her, you know, I probably will.
If you're talking daily, by any chance, how do you get along with the old man?
Better than any other?
The Graham group strongly urged that all direct political comment be avoided, including comment on the Texas Electoral Council.
Do they have any idea that he hasn't?
But I wouldn't say that.
Nobody knows you.
You weren't really Graham's crowd.
I was.
What's the types in this organization?
No, no, these are our people.
Now this is what they picked up.
Approximately how long do they want me to talk to you every now and then?
They should, they're in that one... Oh Christ, you don't have to tell me clearly.
Damn, I should have just come.
I should have come that night.
That's just exactly what I didn't want to do because of this.
Okay, we'll cancel it.
Cancel it.
I think we should.
Okay.
I just think that it should, and just to say that I think it would be hard to do that.
Yep.
And they're making nine points.
Okay.
That's pretty good.
I think that has to be canceled.
Like I said, the Billy Graham people want to cancel the printing of the book other than the news now.
And that has to be done.
And just a lot of people are trying on the basis that we can't do it because of the nature of the event.
Billy Graham people want to be sure there are no political overtones.
It's their request.
Their request.
We're sorry they can't do it.
We're very sorry.
Okay.
I guess they didn't know how it was going.
We didn't.
Oh, that's coming back.
He's not going back.
He's not coming back. .
I'm glad that's the last of these things for a while.
I checked on the Republican women.
Their thing is Friday night, which is when this is going to start.
Sorry.
Mitchell is going to be there.
Who?
Mitchell.
Well, what the hell?
That's good.
And we've also got several other captains that we'll have in the evening.
I think what we've got to do is maybe add a couple other captain types.
Fair enough.
And I don't know.
That's...
Is he back?
No, he's obviously playing a game.
He's obviously scheduled himself to get back the day after.
He comes back on Saturday.
I'll be God damned.
After accepting him Dean, he was on the program.
I don't know if it's printed that it's on the program.
Well, it wouldn't be printed now.
It's a week away, I'm sure.
I don't know if it's on the print.
What does he do?
It's about how much work he does.
He'll probably play golf someplace.
He's going to Greece.
He's going to Athens on Saturday this week.
His official visit is Sunday and Monday.
It ends on Monday.
Then he's going to his birthplace on Tuesday and Wednesday.
Then he's going on a cruise on a boat on Thursday.
Then he's going back to Athens on Friday and then coming home on Saturday.
See what he's done?
He's put himself into a spoky decrease.
Henry, I'm going in the name of God.
Did you get to that apartment where Russia was born?
Yeah, yeah.
Thank God.
But you see what I mean?
Now, here's the answer, for Christ's sake.
Is there no sense of responsibility among any of our people except God?
That's the entire difference.
What do you think of that, Henry?
A whole week in Greece.
And he's booked into a Republican National Women's Dinner.
5,000 women that are counting on him.
And canceled out.
He cancels out.
He'll take a cruise and go up.
What do you say to that?
Jesus, you're right.
I think they're better than me.
They're better than me.
Ah, I'd actually be interested.
I don't know if you got back, but after all the pessimism we get from Colson, greater than the other, about our reactions here to our Soviet thing, tell them how it was in China.
I mean, in Chicago.
Oh, they're not just sad.
They're good.
You're in a different world.
I got a standing ovation from the credits.
We didn't get pessimism here.
Well, I mean, lack of enthusiasm.
That's right.
What do you think of that?
Bill did well.
What I meant is, Bill was expected to, but you know, you'd think that, well I forget.
Well, they're not here, by the way.
They think it's great that they aren't about to step outside.
But there was really a sense of excitement.
The questions were friendly.
Even the Chicago Tribune, they're not really surprised.
From the Trudyian viewpoint, including a Russian now, it's a good thing to do because you're going to check.
Well, it puts it all into context, Bob.
That's the way they're all looking at it.
Are they?
I don't know.
But this whole electric amp, I would say it was 600 receiving lines.
They took it to the Finance Committee at the reception.
And they were wild.
I was supposed to speak for half an hour.
They kept me for another half hour.
And they were all late to the reception.
So I didn't.
We got to the reception.
And Scott would then make them Marlowe Cooks, Doe, six.
The seven senators, everybody came heading for me, congratulating the president, telling me to do a great job.
I know that, you know, I'm proud to have all this.
They stay more of that away from you than they stay in front of you, too.
You're a... No, I don't want to stay in front of you.
This is a battle.
But you don't get as much of a feel of the enthusiasm that there is, because when they're around you, they're all...
It's like the staff with you.
The staff doesn't say, hey, you guys are great, but...
That's interesting.
I mean, I was thinking over.
Driffin was there.
He said, gee, you ought to come out from Michigan.
We only go to places where people vote against us.
That was against Driffin.
Not as much as Percy.
Percy only voted with us once.
No, I know Matthias.
Oh, no, no, it's done now.
When Henry gets back, I want him scheduled in to New York, Philadelphia, Cleveland or Columbus.
I don't know which one.
Well, San Francisco.
Let's pick the things.
We don't want to get him into the Mickey Mouse things.
And Houston, probably.
because if you touch up Texas, you can't make it land.
And Florida, we ought to do something in Florida once we get to Miami.
It's a damn big state.
It would be very good if you sent it to Florida.
It would be very good.
A lot of influential people.
The only place where Percy got anything out of it was in the four islands.
Look, I'm not complaining.
What's a good way to go to Chicago?
He didn't talk about Percy.
I made an armless, so at least I cut out of that.
There's a thing where they said, I want to express my appreciation for Chuck Percy Strong's work.
And I thought, how did I ever get that password to the radio?
I'm surprised at that.
The word's horrible, I used to turn it on.
I called him a man of conscience.
Dead and swollen, I've done it.
He is a great fellow, Henry.
He is so, by the way, so efficient.
That's right.
You know, at first, he just said, you always like to do free things, and I got this finance committee of mine together.
He didn't tell me about the dinner.
If you need a Chicago, why don't you do a briefing for that?
This is how I... As a matter of fact, the dinner today, the finance committee was damn good.
It'll help us father that.
But I'm thinking in New York of the kind of a group, and I think I'd have Nelson pull the group together.
In other words, Nelson has a group, and then you, and make Bill, Jim Buckley be there too.
Goddamn, you could have 150 powerhouses in New York and talk like this, and always on the record on this stuff.
But we'd then do some public stuff, like we're going to do some on the public thing on TV.
Don't waste your time on any goddamn newspaper people.
But I think the beauty of this is off-the-record stuff with power groups.
Henry could do the power group in Ohio.
He could do the power group in New York.
He could do the power group in Philadelphia.
See my point, Bob?
Yes, sir.
These are the states we can win.
And it plays our strong suit, which is the man of peace.
That's a good outset.
That's very elite.
The commercial club in Chicago is a little more elite, but that's good, too.
That's good.
And that's when we open our taps out in the ocean.
We're working on it.
We're working on it.
We're working on it.
No more of it can be done.
It's just done every day, and then you push it on.
This is what you're doing.
The other thing is Henry's got the textual thing.
He has, but he says the textual thing is coming along.
Right, Henry?
Look, it's not as complicated as it is practically thought.
I mean, if it blows up now, it would be an accurate fact.
I covered that very carefully as he will believe that I said I didn't say by the 15th I said at least unless we had our actions at 15 or unless we had
negotiations underway that we've been doing.
Right, Henry?
The only thing on Taiwan next week, Mr. President, is why I'm there.
It wasn't because we didn't do anything.
Me?
I've done everything publicly I'm going to do.
See, I receive these congressmen now for that reason.
I'm not going to see one other day.
And it's because we didn't allow pictures on there.
We got a private picture taken.
This would really handle low-key.
Well, it should be attractive.
We're in the right posture.
Most of the literals are writing that you fear fighting too hard.
Are they?
Yeah.
I get a lot of that.
Boy, they want to keep kicking Taiwan out.
Boy, it is impressive to me that they can get 350 meters.
Today, even today, to keep Taiwan in that Congress, that shows you the power of a people whose country wants Taiwan.
The point is, it may not be for Chiang Kai-shek, but they don't think somebody ought to be competitive in our nation.
And another thing, Henry, they don't like the goddamn United Nations.
That is every one thing that I wanted to raise with you.
How would it be all right with you if we
named Andrew Brecker, who Ralph Munch's job, Craig Hayes, Andrew Brecker, Ralph Munch's job.
If you know Rick, you know where Rick is.
He's a highly intelligent, decent man.
But he's a man who'd like to get off of the Federal Reserve.
I don't think he's all that intelligent, but I know what they're up about.
I mean, if you're listening, for God's sake, he's the only intelligent man I know in Brooklyn.
So basically, McClutton should be empty.
Well, anyway, if you mind, if you mind, we'll send Rick over there.
The U.N. people are going to start raising some hell.
Why?
Because Brimler is a financial expert.
Yes, but he's had experience with this people.
I think it was, I don't know what it was, well, Connell House.
He's approached Connell and said this was a way to keep Arthur Burns from the leash.
So he's supposed to put that job on?
Oh, yes.
He's talked to Connelly.
He wants the job.
But I don't care who that is.
He's a child.
Well, it's a tough thing to acquire.
Anyway, that's the kind of thing I like to do.
If he's reasonably responsive to us, he will be able to get through it.
But even then, even if he is not going to punish you,
Oh, of course, Mike was an awfully sweet guy.
You know that.
Got the Hillbill Peace Prize being that.
Oh, I hope so.
I hope so.
Yeah, I know that.
And Jerry Thurgood Marshall.
He has a great brain on the court, but I notice that I'm getting some part of it.
He goes straight into the booter as a judge.
Well, there's no way you can avoid that.
He is a jerk, but he really is.
He's just dumb as hell.
He just looks up there and grins.
Incidentally, it's really quite a job they have done here, though, this year's staff.
As I told you the other night, I hope you passed it on, because they must have burned the midnight oil.
This is about the fifth draft, because they do a draft tonight.
I know.
Well, we do fantastic work when the history of this dam thing that we ever lived through goes.
The work that's gone into this, I compare the stuff that Eisenhower got before he was president.
I compare it to it.
You see, Dulles and Henry carried everything they used to get.
And he was good.
They never took Dulles.
He made mistakes.
I think Suez was mistaken.
I think the Esquire, Aswan Donald, damaged me.
But goddamn, he was a man.
He didn't get taken in a negotiation.
He may have set out to do their own thing.
Like Aswan, he got mad.
And Suez was just one of those things.
Suez came at the wrong time.
God damn it.
Suez was stupid.
I'll never forgive the British and the French for not forgetting a dumb task, and second for doing it just before the election.
God damn it.
Well, we had to sit on it.
We had to wait there after the election.
I'm sure I was the only one who could get it done before the game time.
Right after Hungary, too.
In such an incompetent way, they couldn't have...
You see how much the world would have changed had it not for Nassau?
It was one of the great building blocks because it would have, more than the lucky Nassau, it would have shown every 100,000 countries that the first country that took that path suffered from it.
Yeah, I see.
As a result, that was the big issue that we've forgotten today.
At that time, the Russians were so afraid of putting their own arms in there that they didn't advise them with a lot of gear.
Oh, yeah.
This is how far we've come.
Now they've got six squadrons in the air, but... Generally, it's the Russian announcement.
Like I said, there's somebody who doesn't carry much arms.
Very positively, not...
It's very big as an announcement story and then dropped.
It's not a continuing story.
In the television area, it's dropped completely.
The one-day store columnists are driving in the day after day.
And they do it quite a lot because they're putting it together with China and all of it.
If the hackers were smart, they would see that in terms of immediate news, it's infinitely more important than China.
My God, it affects Europe, it affects the Mideast, it affects trade, and it affects the victory.
The columnists see that, and that's what they're writing.
They're just analyzing all this.
You know, this is tough.
This is tough to prepare, Henry.
The way we prepare for Moscow, boy, that's going to be tough hitting the line.
I know a little bit more about the subject there, but then it's also, they're more closely drawn.
You've invested in this.
Do you want to go with us?
You know his methods.
Yes, he wants to take it, and they're having a meeting tomorrow, and he's been invited to an interview, and he ran a security check on him and everything.
He got 54 interviews in the security check.
55 against 54 were positive, but one was negative.
Negative was B.U.
Reboza.
He said he wasn't trusted in confidential information.
So that's in his FBI record now.
So the FBI guys didn't tell Beattie what they were thinking about before.
They just said, we're doing a check.
What do you think?
So he's a great guy.
But I sure wouldn't trust him.
So I called Beattie, and I said, well, you know, I believe this.
But George just talked to him.
Well, Beattie laughed, and he said, hell, it's exactly the same thing I've said about the president.
He talks too much once in a while.
So I've given him about that over the years, and I give Sanders about it.
So I said to Vicky, you know what, do you want us to...
Normally, when there's only one negative, 54 positives, they wouldn't pay any attention, but because it was you, they'd like it, of course.
And also, Jerry spent some time...
So he now says the White House reported him to Madison.
I said, well, no.
He said, well, then that's a good thing.
What are you going to do with that?
Drop it.
No.
That they should use general procedure.
Oh, the main point is to say that the FBI agent is a jerk.
It was a joke.
It's his closest friend.
I don't think we want to get into arguing with the FBI.
I just say that there's no... No.
Finchecked out, there's absolutely no problem.
Well, I personally voted for it.
How's that?
I agree with you.
Different kinds of...
They can't, they can't hang him on the wall.
They can't hang him on the wall.
Negative.
I'll just tell them that they should use their normal procedures.
It doesn't matter.
He doesn't want to have a strong man on there.
You know, he is so mad that he's not going to do it.
But it is a prayer.
It is a prayer.
He said, oh, he said, he said, he said, you listed all the achievements.
Hello?
Hello, Jerry.
I didn't have a chance to get back to you earlier about this matter, and I've had a chance to check with our people.
Our people feel you have applied your normal criteria, which as I understand it is that
when fifty-four are favorable and one is not, that you would then fear that you shouldn't wait, that one negative.
Okay.
Thank you.
What did he say?
That two-thirds of an iron field?
He didn't have anything to do with it, except the seabed.
We did biological work there, right?
We did biological work there.
I did accidentally go in the hotline with Dr. Freeman.
The only thing he had to ask was, what is his problem?
But his problem is, we're going to do something in Moscow.
Yeah, he said, Frank, you're not going to do it.
You're going to talk to all the credit in Moscow.
Well, what the hell?
I said, you know, he's the president, you know.
Did he say the President was going to talk about it?
Well, he said it now sounds as if the President didn't used to talk about it, but now he made it sound as if he was going to do it.
How in Moscow am I going to sit and twiddle myself?
Yeah, I said, no, you do your work.
I wonder who shouldn't give up.
It's too dangerous.
Yeah, all right.
But the attitude is absolutely true.
And, uh...
This man is a mason, Bob Comfort, for God's sake.
Now, if he knows that well, because we did talk over here, if he knows that well, that the accidental bulletin could have just happened one day, then we ought to have folks in here with the... Tell him to come in.
I guess he didn't understand.
Uh...
All right, John, how are you?
Come in.
How are you?
We didn't need to, no, no.
Well, I've got a lot of work to do here.
Ricky, how are you?
Let's go over a couple of things that involve Henry, so he can...
I've just been working, as you can see.
Goddamn bookies.
Don't go to China.
That's one of them.
Let me tell you on the first thing on the pick-up, the thing you mentioned last night, Bremer's fine.
He liked the job.
That's my understanding.
Yes, he did.
He just needed to be second-hand.
Well, he didn't.
As Henry says, he probably doesn't know a hell of a lot about it.
Maybe it was Ralph Bunche.
No, I don't think he knows that one.
But I didn't cite his mind.
The U.N. has known that there's an economic gap.
Why?
Because they want a Negro.
Well, they want a Negro, but they don't... Well, doesn't he know something other than the economic support?
Oh, sure, yes.
But they...
The types they proposed to me, none of which I would recommend, none of whom I recommend to you, because they're all Charlie Yost.
Yeah, I got it.
Charlie Yost is one of them.
But what they are...
They recommend Yost for me?
Never.
That's right.
Never.
He makes you a decision to replace him, but that's not Yost's problem.
But...
That's the fight they're looking at.
You know, they're mentioning him, and they're mentioning Gustavus Gardner.
No, I'm going to mention Gustavus Gardner, Richard Gardner, who is a protégé of Goldberg.
Never.
And none of whom I have even brought in.
Do we control this?
Well, we control it.
We don't control it.
It's a UN position, but our recommendation.
Well, let's put it this way.
Let me put it this way.
Let me put it this way.
Let me put it this way.
Let me put it this way.
Let me put it this way.
Let me put it this way.
Let me put it this way.
Let me put it this way.
Let me put it this way.
that make it a little black from federal money.
Well, I'd like to have you come with.
It'd be a useful first job to have this done.
I don't want to...
I'm not trying to send you to November 1st.
I know, but it'd be useful for us to have the unfortunate work.
All right.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't think it's going to go to federal court.
It'll be a lot more important.
Yeah, right.
Oh, yeah.
Well, it's...
He's a lawyer.
I see.
So that helps.
He'll do a better job, I think, than in the last eight years.
He looks back and thinks, oh, no.
And I don't know.
He's got quite a reputation.
He's the best Negro economist in the country.
Which means that...
I said it was better before than it is now.
It's a bad thing, I have to say.
Well, the category represents, yes, but I thought, I thought what you said was objectively, it's the will of the crime.
It's getting so ridiculous.
Take that poem.
That poem, Marshall, of course, the dumbest man in the court.
And that speech, he pretty dumb.
Now, here's the, here's what I think.
Now, let's come, John, to the, the, the trip thing that I like.
Here's what would be very helpful if you could do it.
It would be very helpful if you could go to Vietnam.
And there I would just simply pop in and put in your present and spend maybe a couple days looking at the
Well, basically, we're moving from war to peace.
The economy's a big thing.
Looking at the, sort of getting the feel of the economic side, and not obsessively to the military side.
The next country would be Indonesia.
I think if you could go over to Jakarta and see Sahara, that would be very important.
And the third would be Japan.
She could go to Japan, figuring that if we get this textile thing, you know, if that deal goes through, then you've got a good reason to butter up Salo a little bit, and I'll build him up in Iowa.
The advantages of this trip are, the disadvantages, of course, are naturally the same.
There's a lot of people who think we should never pay attention
Well, I cross that bridge.
If I pay attention, I think others should be warned, too, even though some of our cabinet people are not willing to step up for it.
But the advantages to us are enormous in terms of other things.
First, it will have a very good effect on the dark field meetings.
It will show that we're sending a strong man, a big man out there to stand beside Mr. Chu.
So, Indonesia, of all those countries, is the most important to us in Southeast Asia because it's the biggest and the richest.
And Sahara just needs to see a strong man.
And third, of course, to Japan, it's critical, because Japan is extremely worried about our relations with China.
They're worried about their relations with China and the rest.
They're playing sort of a schizophrenic line, that they have to be with us.
So going to Japan, I think, would be a very fine signal.
Now, Henry, add anything you want to see to this, or maybe a cover that would be...
I think the thing to be is...
We just don't have the ambassadors to say which was the president's last name and to carry it away to you.
I don't know if he knows this or not, but obviously he's an impressive guy.
I think if you met him, you could put some impressive philosophy to it.
what the limits of our relations, of our ties with China would be in those issues, primarily in terms of our relations with them.
Another thing, it would be very helpful if they think
If they concentrate on the military aid request from us, it is worth $25 million.
And here are generals who are in charge of the government.
They're not going to do it without us if we don't get them to go back to their land.
Because they believe they'll have earth moving equipment rather than a machine gun.
So we keep putting it into separate channels, but you know, it's hard.
So, if you can bring back what they really want, I think we can manage it through these committees on which you and I have presented.
That's right.
And give them some assurance that the president has it.
If you then were the Japanese, I would let you back from China.
In fact, the 25th, I could give you a briefing on what went on.
You could then give Sato a private briefing.
And that would be tremendously reassuring, because having good relations with the Japanese is essential also for the Chinese game.
That's right.
We've got to balance, and to read this book, one thing that's very, very clear, is that we've got to keep the Chinese edgy.
And one way to keep them edgy is one way to Russia and the other Japan.
So that's what we had in mind, that you could do it.
Mr. President, I trust Henry, and I know he did, and told you, and held you, and told us what I was going to do.
I felt it better for the five men.
Of course I did.
I said to Henry that I didn't think I was going to go to another place.
But frankly, and I didn't say this to Henry, but
But that is just .
I mean, you know, I just, if I'm going as far as 18,000 miles, I hate just to go to Saigon.
Well, let me say that I think, I don't think it's a good thing for you to just go to Saigon anyway.
Because they're putting too much emphasis on that alone.
And I think particularly in Asia, I want you to go to Japan.
In other words, they're being held alive at just the right time.
Particularly John, particularly if they make the text with him.
They don't make the text, or if they don't, they've got to go anyway.
Now, let me say, I think this should be
I think we should build a mission.
You take the special forces plane.
You'll be back with the plane.
You'll see you'll have a plan.
You should take Nellie with you.
And I think you should take a little delegation home.
A couple of people.
People that you need.
I'll tell you what he really needs.
He needs one of your good men.
Like, you know what?
I'm a really tough guy.
I must take this meeting here at that time.
Well, we'll be doing that speech at the end of the evening.
Well, that'll be good.
I think it's a good idea to send somebody.
But I don't want State to send a man that will not come.
Well, I'll send a man with you and you can proceed.
And then go to, you know, and be done with stuff.
The way I would do it if I did too, I'd like to have you go
I like when you go in there and pop in another awful, awful women's.
You go to some picture of a ride, you just pop a little wide, and go out to St. Pat's and get a little, get the brief in there from the, you know, the, the, the last one, the nice one, Jackie King, okay.
And then you spend the night at, at a co-op.
You then fly on the next day into the, into the, now there's only one thing that raises, is whether or not he hunts his elephants.
curve but it isn't that essential well after the second case all right let me ask you let me ask you about the problem of time uh now that we've got phase two underway i don't think you have to be here right now you've got to make your level i think some reassurance to some of our allies
Well, we may have to figure a two-week trip.
You figure at least a couple days, not a couple days, back, ten days visiting these places.
Aren't we aware of it?
Do you have any questions?
I think the leisure and the essential abilities is bizarre.
Yeah.
He wouldn't have to do that.
I wouldn't go, wouldn't even consider Australia.
He's going to be here anyway.
It would be, Singapore would be good, but then you've got Malaysia.
The only other one I'm worried, I wonder about is Bangkok.
The ties in the British and Arab world.
Bangkok would be terrific.
Yes, sir.
I've never been that far in the world.
I'm surprised.
You've never been to Bangkok?
I've never been that far in the world.
Well, I'll tell you another reason to go to Bangkok is, you know, and this is a bad idea, too.
Well, also, these are all the countries that are going to be a little jittery about China.
Well, and also, there'd be jittery, John, about our withdrawal from Vietnam.
They think we're getting out of Asia.
Bangkok also is an enormously successful economic country.
I think you ought to look at other, and that's only speaking in a personal sense, your wife alone.
You just love going down that, those canals.
This time of year, best time of year to go there.
The only time of year it's worth a dance, though, is October 8th in Anatolia.
The dry season has just begun.
The reason this might have some effect
I was amazed.
I get these stuff.
I tried doing the economic one every day.
Today, I've been very rich.
With European economics, you see, it's heading to the far east, staying to the Thais and the Indonesians and the Malaysians.
But the United States is pulling out of the far east.
The European Economic Committee wants to make an agreement with them.
They're willing to enter into preferential trade agreements with all the countries in Southeast Asia if they will get together and if they will move and move with this fashion.
We need preferential loans, preferential trade agreements.
Henry, so that's what you're thinking.
Just to make another good reason, let me ask you this.
How do we put this through the Rogers?
I think if you would love to be a person notified by the Secretary, then you would want the Secretary to be notified.
How do you do that?
How do you do that?