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That was the reason he approached Dean.

He said that he was clean and available.

Well, I think it is that he has this financial discrepancy, which he has apparently gone to work through and other ways to try and establish the source of the nonsense.

I would vouch for that.

But he has called deep to say that he thinks he has everything straightened out.

and ask for an appointment with me.

And I've really been trying to make this my job, and I've had time to see it.

It's not just writing.

But you've got, what do you know, stuff around the country, even high visibility.

Really, you know, you're good.

You know, I've always wanted to talk to you, and I've always wanted to talk to you, and I've always wanted to talk to you, and I've always wanted to talk to you,

Hi, Mr. Rosen.

Well, we're on the Supreme Court wing again.

What's your present valuation?

Well, uh, there's a weekend.

There's a number of them.

First, I'm happy to be happy to report that we've got over our Chief Justice for this, uh, three-month sentence.

He's going to stay in bed until he recuperates from his current illness and then go about his business and see what does it not add to our problem.

I don't know whether he had thoughts after our conversation of last Thursday, even though it wasn't close to his mind.

I haven't talked to him for the second time, I should say.

We didn't have a...

extended conversation, but the result was your earlier kick completely on that motorway out there.

It's feeling a little better because it's dropped out of the system and you can program it to do whatever you would like to do.

With respect to our, we haven't gone any further on that subject since then.

in the Aquarium anyway, and other people in there for a while.

With respect to our cannibals, I have been talking to Ed Walsh today after they have had their task forces into the field a little while, and with respect to Judge Quilley, the essence of it is that

So her reaction on the court and ability to get along with other judges is that they're afraid of reversal and so forth.

It's Ed's assessment, bear in mind, that they have not had their committee meeting to try and assess what's going to come out.

They're going to start meeting tomorrow afternoon and go over and wind it up with the California people on Wednesday.

And his assessment is that

Judge Flores will not be found not qualified in any of the parts that are wrong.

I'm not surprised.

But the interesting part about it was when I pressed upon her, going down her qualifications and so forth, you know, as I said, there was no judge within a reasonable, or woman within a reasonable age.

They couldn't, but there was compromise.

There was compromise.

About Sylvia Davis.

No question that she might be a pro.

No question.

Is she a difficult judge?

No, she's on the Superior Court of Justice.

She holds the right to the Superior Court of Justice.

So that, while Ms. Coach Lilly gets some good marks, she doesn't want to stand in line and get hurt, help on the sure-started burgers.

Yeah, that would be a great judge.

And the three judges, or the three members of the panel, the A.J.A.

and the Mr. Lilley, just in terms of their personality, character, and all the rest of it, they've come up with this.

It's judgment.

He doesn't have the rest of them in, but he's reflecting upon what he's getting back out of the three individual panels in the study.

With respect to not only Judge Lilley, but also Brian,

I told him that we were going to need from him a statement as to what were the reasons for the findings, whatever they might be, in order to help you to make your evaluation whether you wanted to go to a murder or to a different one.

In connection with Judge Willey's checkouts today,

Who are the judges that say they're the greatest?

The dissenters, for Christ's sakes.

I mean, the phones of Brandeis dissented more than I ever witnessed, so they would have been reversed.

Bullshit.

It's a reversal of the goddamn thing.

Well, they apparently have...

Depends on which side they're on.

Well, it also depends on the nature of the court.

There are a few cases where it's not true.

The Supreme Court should have sustained it.

The negative side of it really is that she's being considered some more of a mediocrity.

The fact that her husband needs some further checking out is the election returns, which have been audited for what they think going out already.

I read some papers that the governor has gotten back the bill of money to unpaid bills and so forth.

That probably does not have to be from the records of the same days of all the meetings that have been checked out.

They expect to have all the answers on it, both with respect to his decision.

activities as a lawyer and businessman.

I'm also a second one in terms of, again, sort of whatever it is you would have.

And I would encourage you to find a bond with those who are here, because they're able to do the best work they are.

I've heard texts of y'all, with respect to Friday, where you get up

Again, according to Walsh's opinion as to what they're going to come up with, is that he would be in the middle bracket, in other words, not opposed.

Meaning that he's not, in their opinion, highly qualified enough to disapprove Geiger.

Now, it's a very interesting dialogue that I had with Mr. Walsh on this subject matter.

He might have said, well, how would you arrive at that?

And he said, we're talking to the members of the United States.

We would arrive at that, even though he might be the best lawyer in the whole state of Arkansas.

On the basis that he is not nationally known.

And he went on and said, like a congressman or a senator or a head of the commission, I said, well, that's a little bit of a double standard, isn't it?

Well, he said, you know what I mean.

He said, we have to consult with this and that, you know.

Friday's financial transaction, thank you, Mr. President.

The adverse editorial has created a backfire against the people who were civil rights political .

All of the judges of the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals, including Chief Joe Long, all of the local judges of the Eastland, to the Bar, and so forth, back and forth, standing under the Bar.

John McFaul had told me that he was called Larry McBride, but if you Democrats take over after this one, they're going to do Gus and Selma, and they're working on Humphrey and Vaughn, etc., etc.

But the end result there, I think, is the question mark, which is whether or not we're all over black and brown minds.

If somebody is not opposed, instead of going to the club, I just report you to that.

And I have a feeling that from what I hear,

and that you will have some people like the judge and the dean of the Arkansas Law School, who's come out and supported you and so forth, and you probably have some credible people come forward to testify for you.

That's the size of where we stand at the Royal Show.

They'll give me a further briefing tomorrow night after the first session.

Oh, really?

Yeah, they said they checked.

They didn't think there was any woman qualified to do it.

But this was the dialogue that I forced him into.

He was in an age group, and he admitted that that was tough.

We weren't talking about Sarah Hughes, who had been on the bench all these years, and was 70 years old, and this other big guy up there in the line in the 60s.

Oh, yeah, well, that's ridiculous.

My God.

Old man's got nothing over the worst.

But, yeah, this is, this is their, their, or his story.

The preliminary conclusion has got to be things will come out of the task forces that have been in the field and what we've heard from them.

I think we've got the word.

They'll probably leave it before they give it to us.

No, I don't blame him, John.

Oh, Ed has explained it to me.

I don't blame him.

Well, that's the capsule expansion now.

Let me...

I've got an idea on Hoover.

And I think that's enough of an objective.

Let's talk again about it, Lester.

I'll save the time.

We'll just have to make a decision on where to go and some other things.

I want to...

I want to talk to Jonathan.

I'll tell you later what I talked about, but I don't want to be able to say that only John and I have known about it and I don't know anything about it.

You see the story I've covered today, you know the one I'm talking about.

There were two, there was a time that started that attack.

They're news magazines to each other, exactly.

And, uh, unless, I'm gonna say, uh, any time it is new to him, it's not.

It's just, uh, the deterioration of the bureau.

And then, uh, your views on it have not changed, has there, in the group?

We still have operational problems.

Are you, do you still feel it has to go that way?

Is there one additional increase of some, well, uh, quite soon, I would say, uh, because of Princeton, that means he, uh, yeah.

And the reason that I, the reason I don't want you to do that, when I talked to Hoover, I had told him that I've never talked, I've only talked to the attorney general, and I just want to be, I'll let you know what I did, but you can see the punch now.

I'll let you know what I did.

Come on.

Actually, I want to talk to you about the judges.

You can get it quite built up in your dispatcher.

Yeah.

They don't want to run.

Leave it.

They won't run.

I don't think they can run through with it.

Probably so.

They see this compensation.

Well, they see us running into their cars and all the mediocrity.

And I think, as well, we've discussed this privately with the disciplinary committee.

I think that, let me put it this way, I think that, with regard to the law, I had thought of an appointee for women.

I did not get the will to follow my law, and I think that that's been approved.

Let me put it this way.

I think we've got to look at this, John, to do that.

The first consideration must be what kind of person is going to be in that court.

But second, we've got to do it if we can in a way that is not going to risk the pregnancy.

Now this is the question we've got to address ourselves to.

The woman then can send her name.

And the idea of

in terms of, first, this woman is going to be harder on the scale.

Second, we want her presence.

We're not even going to take her off.

But if the bar comes up, we're going to not call on it.

Then the reason it moves to the residency is the migrant.

And the staff people don't object to it.

Most of them don't want to see that.

But the rig is negative.

You know, here is Nixon, this political president, appointed unpersonally, in order to get the woman's vote.

That I think would be bad.

This country has to recognize that.

I must say that to a certain extent, I think that's the lawyer's reaction, but I think it's good for the country and so forth.

If we do not go with her, I'm going to play a very hard game with the bombs.

If they don't put the wall, she will.

I just think we cannot.

We can't stick somebody out and get a good pillar before we get a chance to get it.

I think, John, we can't get a pillar.

We ought to go with Smith.

Now, uh...

It's goddamn hard to say he wasn't qualified.

I wouldn't believe so.

The Chancellor and the Chairman of the Board of Regents of the University of California hired him as the Senior Department of the second biggest law firm in the country.

I don't think he was qualified.

i'm not sure that what they probably can refrain

I'm just a half-assed needle here.

We've got the other eye.

Just, just, just a little bit.

Suppose you were to take a towel

He's 66, you know, I'm 64.

I'm a good man.

I'm a great man.

Now let me make one other thing.

Neighborhood youth.

Strength.

We can't do it there.

Do you get infirm?

But it was a pretty political thing.

How about dangerous?

Hard, very specific.

It's a prime individual.

It's been a good one.

I'm not sure his practice was limited.

I'm not sure .

But here's a guy.

Here's a fellow with a number of years.

The other thing is that

He's a very popular fellow.

Well, John, he ran for the Senate much.

He was just as close to the whiskers on that before one.

He's got a statewide reputation and really the balls have gone on and on.

And Howard, rather than push him to make it again, he's got a few problems.

I mean, I don't think the difference between the two is all that great.

I don't think we should take the woman.

She's not qualified.

Not for the reason that the bar says she's not qualified.

But for the reason that I don't think the appointment of the first woman should be of a woman the bar says is not qualified.

It just kind of bothered me to start with because I thought it was to some extent more.

The thing that I had to do was try and appropriate myself.

It just made me a little difficult.

Well, if we had Shirley Hospital or this one or that one, it would have been qualified.

This is going to have to be a PR problem.

I don't want to be mad at these people.

In some cases, this would be most followed by the one from McClellan's.

And her whole heart is in prison, doesn't matter.

And Bob, the minister, is trying to weaken it.

We can't let her go.

I'm sorry, but I'll go with it.

I'm sorry.

She's one-way pushing.

She's on a certain part of the deal that we all want her in.

She's left-wing.

Her husband will be leading her when it comes down to it.

Would she come up with a qualified name?

I said no.

It's not what the opposition is going to be saying.

They're going to be saying, well, if you can pick the right one, we'll give you that one.

No.

um

You mean they're giving her a bad rap in the bar?

The question is, do they know where she believes?

Yes, sir.

In addition to that, you know, Mr. President, most people

Oh shit, yes.

Oh, they run with that set.

They run with that set, John.

You know, and I got it even where our old partner, Earl Adams, you know, another great fellow at the show, I don't know if you've heard of him.

I don't think I've heard of him.

I love it.

He is right.

I don't know.

It's like words of an actor or something.

Like all the rest of them, you know, Titanic, you know.

That's his, that's her life, I think, is these two.

I'm going to have some cases up there, I guess, and just give them a wave of her name.

John Franklin, Adam Smith, would you be a hell of a good judge?

I would.

What's a hell of a corporate lawyer?

You ever met him?

No, I don't know.

Well, I've met him, but I've never had a chance to be with him.

Do you have any idea if he ever proved to be a good judge?

Oh, yes.

Has anything been checked?

I don't know.

Ronald Reagan.

He was out of California a week ago.

of course, Smith was in the court.

He came up with the help, no matter what he did.

He called VanCocker someplace through his office.

They came to a choice between Smith and Lilly.

You could really have Smith, but Lilly was fine with him.

And he had talked with him.

When I saw him out in California a couple of weeks ago, he made one of those reports.

And that was that

I really do.

It's a big state.

No reason why I'm showing.

Second, my first name is doing one for Reagan.

It's a damn good idea.

Smith just is a first class man.

I like him.

He's a good-looking man.

Not that that is terribly important, but he's an impressive, persuasive, inviting chairman of the Board of Regents.

He's got to be a pretty good politician.

I think he controls that board of regents.

I was just thinking that through.

We went that way.

I'm trying to put that through the bar.

Did you get his name up there?

He didn't have his name up there yet.

Would you draw it in there?

That won't tell the same before Wednesday.

There are many of us now working on the two of them.

They'll be traveling tomorrow, and that's going to be a great pain.

It's a hard time.

It's probably going to be a delay.

It's going to be a delay, but when you go home, you see the bargain finishes.

All right.

You know, put it on that basis.

This is one of the reasons those other judges up there give you cover, is you don't turn out to get other judges

nominees of the board of law, those judges present, which should sit on that one, you know, and put some other nominees in there.

And after the conversation that I had with you last Thursday, Chris, I've done the parking line on it, but there were at least 1,500 considerations.

Right.

And so you've got that.

Yeah, we're covered well.

We're covered very well.

I don't know.

I'm very awful.

It's a very, uh, I understand the person.

Not that I'm concerned.

It doesn't give you cancer or anything.

Why is it?

Because you don't have anything on you.

You don't have anything on you.

I can't make it with all the time that I've smoked.

The smoke starts to get down my throat.

It doesn't show.

Who would you like to put in the mix with the... the smell?

Baker?

I don't know.

In view of this, how do you think they would deal with, take another name off, did we ever put in the game of pulling?

No, not that one.

How did he come up with it?

President not opposed.

What do you say to a president?

I don't know a president, but I'm happy to guess that he's not opposed.

You know, these son of a bitches are all looking for somebody that's nationally known.

Do you think they would say Smith's not opposed to others going home?

It's impossible.

They're going to start losing their credibility pretty soon.

They're going to want to get rid of it.

It's so bad Charlie Ryan didn't have to catch me on tighter, off of my side.

I watched him leave the court, pulled back.

I didn't actually do it.

Charlie, hey, I'm just going to show you what I've done.

I already made it.

You need to live a little bit.

I don't know.

He was in my law school class in 1958.

He may have been, I don't think he's more than a year older.

I think he's about, you know, he could be.

I was a little bit younger in my class, not much, but I think he's probably 59.

I don't have a question about it.

There would be no question about it if I were once a real man-trapped disease.

It's the right people when it makes the noise.

Maybe we ought to just take 10 people's power and tell them that there's somebody else out there who's going to do it.

And, well, the get-off will...

So, I mean, getting to the point that the President ought to go to the point, there's, in the final analysis, that we've got to consider, we've got to remember that we should curb the presence of these employees.

And we've got to remember that not through any fault of ours that the H-word cars will appeal.

So it rubs off on me and I don't pay it any money.

And it goes back and forth over that money.

But it did affect me.

Uh, the election crisis, so the police have such a good job paying charges across this country with that goddamn little credit.

They forget that we appointed Berger and Blackman.

Um, Jerry, that's all going on.

It's what, you know, what they can do to you if you're current.

I'm worried.

Sorry, Chas.

I'm sorry.

You know, there's a few of us that, you know, the head of TARGET, John dug up on Berger, on Black, and so forth.

But, you know, like I said, on Black, we're tempered and elevated 100%.

Through this, we've got our Governor-General to tell Walsh, so that we can put this month through, and we would prefer, we would put it in each name, we would put it in Powell's name,

Are you waiting to see this conference?

Oh, that's perfect.

I took it out on accident.

Well, I'd like to hear it.

Well, what I was thinking was giving three more names and saying we would prefer not to give us any until the committee has evaluated all of them.

So you can see my point.

I said I would make the acquaintance nominate them sometime next week.

I can still say they haven't.

We don't worry about that.

We can just say we have to have the bar.

I have a question.

How do you want to program this?

As good as you can.

Let me ask you.

Leaving out the Senate seat in Tennessee,

If we can get them under proper circumstances, yes.

But we need to do some of the possibilities.

If Friday comes up, not on COVID, we're going to have all the Friday people in the club on Thursday.

And I'm not afraid.

I'm not afraid.

I don't think he ever answered that.

I don't know.

What would Berger think of Puddle?

Puddle is, as a majority has told, Berger knows what we're saying about the issue of good and evil, and most of it is true.

Mr. Shrew writing a good long piece of work on a wiretap, and it's not true.

Wouldn't it be all right to send Baker's name up to see what the hell happened?

Oh, I guess it does.

I'll tell you two I agree with.

And I agree that you can never go to the world without a partner.

You've got that bar.

And others are just shocked, you know.

I don't know how about you as a person.

I'm just afraid of it.

Others hate to do it.

But other than that, they're just shocked with me.

I think that this does have one drawback, which is very minor.

Both of them know it and have a lot of criminal experience.

I would imagine, I don't know, probably on the appeals floor, and I would imagine it still happens.

That's probably been a good deal.

So there's been quite a bit of trial work going on with this.

We've checked in on that sometimes.

There's an objection where number one, I mean, you know, a lawyer in school

He had also been the president of the school board, as opposed to the regime.

And he had represented the last of the Americans back in the 70s.

And I said to him, listen, I don't want somebody to go down and they'll fight on the school issue.

Now that, they cannot attack with power.

I just thought, I don't know if they can either.

Enormously, he had such a standing.

And I've heard everybody said, why don't you appoint RuPaul or Frank Johnson?

Frank Johnson's a liberal.

Frank Johnson isn't that much of a liberal.

The fact of the matter is, he's never held a hearing.

Did we appoint Frank Johnson?

We appointed Frank Johnson.

He's pretty cool.

He's a little bit of a...

Actually, it was very fine.

It was a long order, and I would like to release him if I were to take him out.

What do you want to do with him, if they go to the cell?

It's an obvious condition.

Oh, yes, it's fine.

We're grateful still that Marshall is with us now.

Powell.

I'd also like to know, how about sending Powell

Smith looked without sending him to the bar.

I was thinking of some way to just to really pull the record.

I know goddamn well you don't have to send Powell's name to the bar.

How about just sending his name on this week?

Just interject you to send his name to the bar.

Well, I was wondering if we read the program.

But I mean, well, we could.

It would be great to watch.

You could say what you might.

Check your phone.

We'll tell what you know.

Well, like I said, Walsh wrote this meeting with the people and all that.

We're doing a preliminary review on that.

Both of them.

Yeah.

He will be talking to me tomorrow night.

All right.

And then they're going to meet again on Wednesday.

And if we feel that...

I'm going to go with Powell, and I don't think we'll bother with Baker.

Let's just go with Powell.

He's four years of age.

And he'll stay on until he's set in mind, like everybody else, and that's not bad.

He'll be safe.

If it smells less, let it be a very solid death.

As a matter of fact, if it fouls, it's the death of an individual who will, if you're a second term, you may fuck with him for the second time.

You won't fuck with him now.

Then he might ask you all the other questions.

So should Burger.

And so should Black.

Well, we've had those conversations.

That's the question.

No, Burger would love it with his power.

Yes.

He likes Friday, too, but Powell would really be better with his Burger.

He was right in his community of gay hair that he wanted to send.

What's his name?

Did he mention his name?

Oh, yes.

I don't think he mentioned his name.

My situation doesn't have been in the south-south-east area of the United States, but I stand qualified to include Lewis Powell.

He was 64, but he's had no judicial experience.

Judge Frank Johnson, who we just talked about, had just passed 50 on personal pride.

Any of these men have been strengthened in court at a time when they were desperate, when these were important.

But the Bridey one was just very violent.

I think they're going to rip Friday up, John.

I think.

But my point is that I just don't think I ought to take the, you see my point?

Let's talk about the Presidency.

I've got to take it.

I was in previous ways that I could get off of, so I don't think that's the only way to do it.

And I just think that I ought to appoint somebody that everybody says is an eminently qualified.

of Lewis Powell later, right?

Herschel Friday probably is too, and he's younger, and people don't know.

And also, let me say, with Powell, I think we're a little bit sure, this is not the nation you're in, but I'm just a little bit sure that he's old enough that he's going to change his mind.

I don't know what I'm saying.

I don't really mind, but this fellow might as well.

I don't know what I'm saying.

following his actions and his writings and so forth as a record that's almost as solid as it should have been.

He's written a lot of art.

And I think he participated in the House of Delegates' debates.

William Frank Smith, if you ask him, they won't tell him anything.

So no, such an old Californian delegate, of course, would know

Oh, what, Sutro, Pillsbury Massacre?

I don't know the minute they mentioned Smith's name, Sutro, they were all kind of better than well-qualified.

They're all in the same group, you know, it's like if they think that's wrong, John, they're about 15 or 20, and if they're in there, and if they're not, they think they're a bunch of dildos.

They're wrong at both jobs.

Well, what I'm saying is that they wouldn't be in that way if they didn't believe what they were doing.

to help people to know Smith more than to act on him without going through their focus.

Well, if we could get Powell so that I could make him this week, then we've got that one up there.

Then we could keep Smith's name in there.

Well, what they want to do is go through a check

Well, let me say, I don't need to change.

I don't have to have our office go out and do this.

All right.

Do you know who his clients may have been or what his background is?

That's up to you.

Is that what we're supposed to do?

No.

The clients are that firm.

Just picture whatever any New York firm has.

It's not even a question.

It's what it is.

There are two firms in Los Angeles.

Melody and Meyers, it gives them a question, and the rest are all third.

That's what it really is.

But those two are the equal of any New York firm.

There is the one area that you're talking about.

There's labor practice on the side.

I don't know how, in fact, that's great.

I'm for that.

How strongly have you been involved?

Well, that firm always represented business against labor, but I don't think he was in it.

Well, the business is a good part of it.

It's a practice against labor.

It's good how much you grew up with the worry about labor.

They're going to be against it anyway.

They'll be against it.

I don't know.

It depends on how active they get.

Whether they're against it or not.

I would do this for the Senate.

I have to just put it this way, because that's the only thing that I can do.

What do you want to do?

The only trouble is that I don't trust the bar, not to leave, and I don't trust the White House staff, not to leave, very frankly.

Well, that's my point.

And how the hell can I get everybody out and check Smith?

Well, you don't have to get yourself out and check Smith.

You don't have to check Smith.

That's the last thing.

I know, and I just claim to know about it.

Without that, I just think we ought to put a name on it.

Without going to the bar, without having to ask after a shovel, just have the bar get out there and put it.

Do it.

Very good idea.

Just, I'll tell you what I'd like for you to do.

I'd like for you to ask Walsh.

I want to get it quickly with regard to the program.

I'd like to do a full frame this week if I could, but I'd like to know the program that we're in.

We still have to get off this one.

And I'm trying to let the bar play out in the spring.

I'm going to knock her down.

I'm going to have to take her to Petra.

So it can't start.

There's a second maneuver with Smith and Powell.

Do you have any openings on a certain part of the field?

Or anything out there?

Is there any place we could put military ability on another part?

There's one that we can't decorate.

There it is.

You see, I'm not going to have a, I have, what is influencing me, let me say, is not this, not the White House staff.

I know how they, they run it, ran it in Campo, they ran it in Laos, they ran it in every little thing, but that isn't the reason.

But I, I've done enough of the weekend meeting and the rest to know about what it might do at this time when we're going in the Russian thing, the Chinese thing, and a hell of a lot of other things.

And do the same thing in Civil War.

Sorry, go ahead.

I thought, if we ever deserve the South, we won't deserve the South.

And I think Powell was perfect for that reason.

And I'll just take the heat of the older man.

There's no heat there.

I mean, Calvary's only a year older than the President.

It'll be all accolades.

I don't know.

That's all right.

Yeah.

Figured I'd never point him.

Well, he's going to get the power set on him.

I'd like his name by Wednesday if we could get it.

Yeah.

See, now on Smith.

See if I can get the bar to go off at this point.

Yeah.

Could I just suggest you get a little Smith, too, at the same time?

Yes, I don't believe we will.

All right.

And throw his name in the email.

Now, this is on the basis that Lily comes out unqualified and tries to come out unqualified.

I think, frankly, after thinking the truth, I'd rather have Paolo than Friday.

I just didn't know.

McClellan left, and I checked with Paolo.

And McClellan, you know, was all over the place, you know, with Bob.

But my fight is that McClellan will see that Friday has been, you know, messed up by the goddamn pillars of the press,

what they were expecting artists to do.

You know, I was just thinking, you know, it's a goddamn lawyer.

How do you live with anyone that's a freedom courier?

But Dave was another one.

He was a fabulous writer, you know, which is unfortunate.

He'd be perfect if Dave was.

or the South Hill Plains in the way that they were grumbling that he'd be hired.

They've taken hard to get him out where he is now.

They have, and also because they know he'd be hired a long harder.

I can't tell you how many of your conservative friends are ready to come here and call me and ask me to switch.

You have to know this.

They've probably stayed here over the last 10 years.

They don't want to be in the first year.

One thing I want to do is surprise them.

I want to screw them.

That's another thing.

I think Powell is eminently qualified, and I think Smith is.

So if they want to pick him up and qualify as people who are conservative, you can say, why do we want him?

That just shows that it doesn't make any difference what you get up.

They want to find something to be against.

The bar doesn't do any percent of the wills.

Now, to me, it's like a blocking action, not an action that we have to refer to.

That's why I just wish we could do this without submitting it to the bar.

I just think we could just drop it and find out.

Not Smith, I agree with you.

Smith, Smith, Powell.

Well, let's say we can't get it through.

Then I'm going to turn it back.

So let's say we can't get it through and went through an airing session.

And then tell Walsh, by God, that in the name of death, they're not to lose the name, because the way that we live, we've got to be sure of how we think Paul will take this.

I don't know about you, but I think we've got to call him, because he's got to do it.

I think we've got to do it.

He's got to do it.

And I shared with this woman probably on the bar that it's possible that the bar says, the bar does not say that you might still take drugs.

Does that give burgers?

A burger would take price.

He said, well, I don't know.

I think the Powell thing, though, is going to give you a lot more.

I don't know.

He's gone all around long ways from where he was last 30 years.

You can get really out of pose, which you need to follow.

And then put power instead of pride.

That's a good part of it.

But if the woman comes up not qualified, I can't fight her.

they don't but they do let me point out

Testified before the committee actually began.

So it's just a question of when you get it.

That's the whole point of these barbers.

When you know about it in advance, if you can get it on the committee, it's there.

They always testify on different barberships and other barberships.

It's very critical.

You know, about every one of these up there is a better option.

Mr. Lewis Powell, P-O-W-E-L-L, in Richmond, Virginia.

It's for the Attorney General.

Attorney General Mitchell will talk to you later.

The State of the City.

It's decided.

It's kind of nice to it in there.

That is the bad thing.

Virginia means a little more to us than I could have thought.

I don't know about that, Mr. President.

I don't think you carry Virginia well.

I know, but I meant to say I think we can carry on.

I don't think we can.

That's great.

Hey, Hewitt.

Cal Walsh.

Put Smith's name in right away.

Tonight, you know.

Right tonight.

Tell him to get sued early.

I can't do that.

We ought to get that woman out there and bring her down.

Oh, I see.

That's a big deal.

Powell's name up this week.

We've got to have Powell in tomorrow.

I mean, by Wednesday, I'm assuming.

How does that sound?

It gets hot out and we can get the bars moving.

I don't know if there's another show.

There's probably one marked by Randy.

We can turn the lemon down.

Or maybe give it an improvement.

I mean get it in an L position.

Well, we will have a pretty good reading on that.

It's a little bit more united in certain programs.

I had to wait another day to get the bar back on Powell, and it didn't go worthwhile.

Oh, yeah.

Tell him that in absolute secrecy, he got it to the Powell, and that it is not fair that a single lawyer is going to have to look here, and you and I are the only ones that know what's coming that way in this case.

and we're not going to have this decent man Hillary, and we're not going to lose him to the generalists.

And that we can't do this.

And if I could answer it with, to be honest with you, it's just so true to me.

Yeah, he certainly knows how old he is.

One of the recommendations that I had him tell me about all the

great qualifications that people should have.

Who are the two people, who are the people who send it out?

Who is Paul and Ross Malone?

You know, Ross Malone is a council for General Motors.

So that's the way it is.

The second one.

This is where I'm going to review.

Paul, you get Ed to ramrod it on Wednesday.

Say, look, we can't put it on that basis, but you're not going to have any pillars.

Or I don't know.

Because we lose them like we lost some of the others.

I know.

Well, I think it's the kind of a guy who would probably run from me when he's high-fiving me.

This is what they've done to me.

You have it.

I'll keep you in the recovery room.

They'll run.

Oh, God.

Unfortunately.

That's the last of them.

That goddamn samurai.

I'm not doing this to that.

I don't want to do this to that fellow.

The marriage, you know, they raised all the money.

John has this goddamn center.

That's who I'm doing it for.

I've never even been in the damn place before, and I wouldn't be going tonight if it weren't for you.

You've never been there?

I don't know.

It's a pain in the ass.

Now with Hoover.

How are we going to do the damn thing?

Well, John's going to go to his father.

Oh, that's good.

That's very good.

We talked about it the other day, just during the meeting.

But after, you know, the reference, and there was no point in fighting back that it was going to be... You just think I should call an end to it, right?

Yeah.

Without you being... Well, I think it would go a lot easier because then it's on that level, you know, rather than having somebody...

and know that he is going to do this voluntarily.

You know, it's just you and Ed, and this is his voluntarily, voluntary action.

You can retire under these circumstances, but there's somebody else there, and he knows, and somebody else knows about it, and it's, we are in a condition that it would be exposed to another person, and that's the way his mind works.

You know, yeah.

My old buddy, they called Joe to the wall.

That's the only place I've ever been.

The wall?

He was going up the wall.

How could he be there until Wednesday?

And I wouldn't be surprised what he was hearing at these meetings.

That's a pleasure, Patricia.

Of course, of course he is.

Well, I will get him on his arrival.

And, uh, but it's sort of just the way he is.

This is just hoping that his reaction will be affirmative.

I think if it's put on that basis, well...

He's the type of individual who would respond.

Well, I think we should.

And I want you to do it just very bluntly and correctly and quickly and say that we just wanted to do it.

We wanted to do it firmly.

It's for the good of the country.

It's for the good of the court.

And we're not going to have this crap about unqualified people.

And if you're going to get to your bottom, that's that.

And we're going to not subversion.

And we're going to fight down the line.

We all should never let trouble make fouls of their presence.

The people know that there's not a question about his qualification.

The watch thinks that Lilly will come up not qualified.

I don't think it probably will depend on his opinion at all.

I agree.

Yeah.

Yeah, very good.

Very good.

Yeah, Ivan, he's been a very good supporter of foreign policy.

Foreign policy, particularly.

Yes, by all means, go.

Oh, sure.

Just stay out.

I appreciate this friendship and the memory of traveling with you and also the great time we went through.

Absolutely, absolutely.

I'm going to leave now.

I'm real sure by all means you should go.

Yes, sir.

And if you want to, they can prepare a little something for you here.

Yeah.

That's right.

Okay.

I'm back.

Hoover.

I think we should wait until...

I just, now there's that.

There's that scenario.

We should have done a nice puppet show.

A puppet show for you.

I don't know.

It's just so simple.

I mean, I don't take my notes, but I would want to get, you know, to come and sit in and know all that matters about life.

Not everyone who would come and think that way.

I don't know.

But Deloach's idea is that if you were a Jew or a Persian, he would recognize you.

Plus the fact that he is completely dependent upon you.

He would recognize you, not like you.

He would not like you to be a Christian.

but wouldn't necessarily, wouldn't execute it that way, wouldn't do it.

Now, if you stayed on, you'd consult with the other guy.

Now, the big subject was that his whole support, as the secretary over there buys his groceries, the guy coached him, all the guys, you know, and then there was income tax returns, and they have a bank account,

You're just telling me you keep your whole staff, your whole personal staff.

Is that offering you too much?

Well, I don't think so.

Well, by his personal, I mean his secretary, his driver.

That's what I meant.

He'd be too concerned to use all of them.

On the woman, let me say, she comes up.

Since we're going to Powell, we'll go that way first.

And if they come up with a woman, neutral.

I'll appoint her.

Is that all right with you?

Should we make a deal with Walsh by Canada?

Yes.

Yes, sir.

Don't you think that would be better?

Then we can say, look, we'll give her, we'll give you Lewis Powell.

I'll give you another living.

Just say, we just don't want the bar to say that a woman is not qualified.

That's right.

Let them know that that's where we're going to put it.

We're going to put it right on.

The American Bar, there's no way that the American Bar has any women.

Are there any on this board?

That's my point.

Tell them that that will be noted and that you can just bring the world in.

That's an idea I hadn't thought of when I put that together.

I think you'll just love it.

I mean, that comes first.

Let us take that and let them get a few kudos for that and some treachery and approval of that.

Why don't you tell them that the president feels very strongly about this?

to the boss, the American boss, and say, this woman is not qualified.

It would have been a very bad, bad repercussion.

It's very bad.

It's like, well, that's my class.

They're going to put it on the basis that they're certain that they want your people to have to turn down their rent.

They're going to wrap their rent around the bank.

But they're going to go with the power of the nomination and take care of it.

It's all a letter, not a vote, which is the same thing.

So if there's a lawyer and a judge, it's just that.

That's what they're telling me.

But I'm very afraid to tell them.

They're basically going to follow a mission all the way.

And that is that you're powerless to be sick or something.

That's right.

To hell with it.

I don't care what it's called.

It takes a job.

I understand.

It'd be good.

It's a man.

It takes a job.

It's very fine.

You can walk up there.

Now, I've got an idea right now.

Why don't you call Bridget right now?

I said it was.

I don't know why I did it.

Bridget called me up to the bar and I met a few of his friends.

I don't want to give him our leg up on what we might want to do.

And it was so surprising to Paul that we decided that we, even though he was propriety, he would realize that Paul would be infinitely better received and thought.

Well, yes, he came up with more propriety than we were talking about.

The young impactor kind of made it happen.

All the reasons I get is that it's true.

Well, I think he's still got that reactionary.

I mean, he's basically a regular public.

When someone's at the right of me, then that's what I want.

Yeah, basically, all right.

All right.

He's all right.

Well, I just, you know, I know his wife extremely well.

I know she's on the right.

She's a really hard worker.

And that's not good.

That helps.

helps not have all those goddamn socialized wives, you know, where you have these fashionable stuff.

I cried at the end of the ride.

His wife is, she'll move to society, but she's on the run.

She's on a hard line with her mom, you know, that kind of thing.

Eggerson, Terry, that kind of thing.

I forgot her name.

Okay, shall we leave it at that?

Yes, sir, we'll try and see if we can play out this scenario.

That's a lot of merit to it, particularly if we get that woman.

You can work that one out.

I can work it out at Walsh?

Yeah.

Now, the governor's thinking of a sure place to throw my woman.

Good.

All right, John.

See you tonight.

Yes, sir.

Is that Black Friday?

Yes, sir.

That's an important plane.

That's nice.

Not my favorite, but it's higher.

It's a little better on the white side than you have over around here.

Thank God.