Conversation No. 292-11

Date: October 19, 1971
Time: 3:05 pm - 5:05 pm
Location: Executive Office Building

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman, Alexander M. Haig, Jr. Casper W. (“Cap”)
Weinberger, and George P. Shultz.

     John B. Connally's health

     Federal budget
          -School lunches
               -Criteria

     Pending legislation
          -Michael J. Mansfield amendment
               -Leslie C. Arends actions
               -Vote

     Federal budget Fiscal Year [FY] 1972
          -Deficit

     FY 1973 budget

     The President's previous meeting with Republican Congressmen
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          -Hugh Scott
              -Clark MacGregor
              -Mansfield
              -Revenue sharing
              -Welfare reform
              -Public relations
                    -Congress adjournments
                          -Timing
                          -White House position

     Congress's schedule
         -Adjournment
         -Revenue sharing and welfare reform
                -Wilbur D. Mills
                     -Letter to the President
                -Ways and Means Committee staff's efforts
                -Russell B. Long’s position
                     -Conversation with Ehrlichman
                -White House public relations efforts
                     -The President's possible speech
                     -Spiro T. Agnew's speech on revenue sharing

     Welfare reform
          -Ehrlichman's conversation with Long and Wallace F. Bennett
          -Possible experiment
          -Abraham A. Ribicoff's action
          -Long’s view

     FY 1973 budget
         -Defense spending
         -Revenue sharing
         -Alternatives
               -The President's economic program
               -Outlay management
                    -Shultz’s assessment
                          -Defense spending
                          -Revenue spending

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:05 pm.

     Refreshments
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Sanchez left at an unknown time before 5:05 pm.

     FY 1973 budget
         -Alternatives
               -Outlay management
         -Revenues
         -Economy
               -Arthur F. Burns's efforts
                     -Money supply
                     -Effect
         -General revenue sharing
         -Burns's role
               -Money supply
         -Economy and spending
               -Roles of private and public sectors
                     -2nd and 3rd quarter figures
         -Pending legislation
         -Government spending
               -Strategy
         -Full employment
         -Pending legislation
               -General revenue sharing
               -Welfare reform
               -Revenue sharing
               -White House public relations efforts
                     -Strategy

     The President's domestic programs
          -Political value
                -Environmental programs
                -Revenue sharing
                -White House strategy
                      -Congress
                      -Nelson A. Rockefeller
                           -Supporters
                -Welfare reform
                      -Daniel P. Moynihan
          -Alternatives
                -Property tax
                -Value Added Tax [VAT]
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           -Revenue sharing
     -Political value
           -Welfare reform
     -FY 1973 budget
           -Revenue sharing
                 -Timing
     -The President's possible message to Congress
     -Revenue sharing
           -FY 1973 budget
           -Political issue
           -Alternatives
                 -Property tax relief
     -Education
           -Property tax relief

FY 1973 budget
    -Full employment
    -Revenue sharing
          -Lobbying
          -Mills's possible action
          -Possible veto
          -Congressional action
          -Administration's efforts since 1969
          -Burns
          -Possible veto
    -Size
    -Revenue sharing
          -Ehrlichman’s view
                -Congress
          -The President's possible actions
          -Weinberger's possible actions
          -The President's possible actions
                -Congress
    -Welfare reform
          -Legislative prospects
                -Long
                      -President’s conversation
                -White House strategy
                -Long and Bennett's possible action
                      -Ribicoff
                      -Effect on federal employment
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                -House Resolution [HR] 1
                -Family Assistance Plan
                -Long's possible meeting with Connally

National economy
     -Cost of Living Council [COLC]
           -Louisiana sugar cane growers
                -Long
     -Unemployment Insurance Bill
           -Shultz's conversation with Long
                -Job corps center in St. Louis

FY 1973 budget
    -Revenue sharing
    -Welfare reform
         -The President’s view
               -Congressional action
    -Education
         -Property tax reform
               -Administration's philosophy of government
               -Benefits
               -Post practices
               -1973 enactment of sales tax
    -Special revenue sharing
         -Model cities
         -Urban renewal
         -Ehrlichman’s view
         -Governors support
         -Legislative prospects
         -Samuel L. Devine
         -The President’s position
         -Congressional appropriations
         -Education
    -Education
         -Ehrlichman’s view
         -VAT
               -Benefits
         -State school support programs
               -Court decisions
               -California
                     -Taxes
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-National defense
     -Melvin R. Laird's statement
     -Henry A. Kissinger's views
           -Spending level
     -Spending levels
           -National Security Council [NSC] view
           -Navy
           -Interceptor Aircraft
           -Safeguard Missiles
           -Ground Forces
           -Aircraft Carriers
           -Air Wings
     -Ground forces level
           -Previous NSC meeting
     -Air craft carriers
     -Air wings
     -Haig’s view
     -Base closings
           -Possible political effect
     -Effect on national economy
           -California
           -Other program spending
     -Possible increase in defense spending
           -Model cities
           -Shultz’s view
           -Weinberger’s view
     -Laird
     -David Packard’s view
           -Previous meeting with Shultz
     -Laird's views
           -Navy
     -Expenditures in California
           -Employment
           -Peter M. Flanigan's analysis
     -Air sorties in Vietnam
     -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
           -Anti-ballistic missiles [ABM]
     -Effect on national economy
     -Effectiveness
           -People's Republic of China [PRC]
           -Soviet of Union
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         -Modernization of army
         -Effect on national economy
               -Shultz’s view
         -Effectiveness of spending
         -Politics
               -Laird's views
                     -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson
         -Effectiveness of spending
         -Defense Department's fiscal guidance
               -Office of Management and Budget [OMB] budget exercises
                     -Kissinger, Packard, Shultz
                     -Gardiner L. Tucker
                     -Kenneth W. Dam
                     -Shultz’s view
               -Kissinger's role with Laird
                     -NSC views
         -Obligatory authority
         -Jackson's possible views
         -Laird's role in Defense Department
         -Expenditures on human resources
         -Defense expenditures
               -Decreases
                     -Opposition
         -USSR
               -Military plans and activities
                     -Offensive capability
                     -US response
                           -Air force
                           -Haig’s view of readiness
         -SALT
               -Effect on budget
                     -Multiple Independently-targeted Reentry Vehicles [MIRV]

SALT
    -First strike capability
          -MIRV, Polaris, Minuteman
                 -Deterrence effect
                 -Haig’s view
    -Negotiations
          -Budget
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1973 budget
     -National defense
          -Laird's forthcoming meeting with Kissinger and Haig
          -Air power
     -New initiatives
     -Existing programs
     -Veto strategy
     -Outlay management
     -New initiatives
          -Research and development
     -Domestic issues
          -Political value
          -Lyndon B. Johnson, John F. Kennedy
          -Property tax
          -Aid to parochial schools
                 -Constitutionality
          -Tax reform
                 -VAT
                 -Revenue sharing
                 -Joseph A. Califano's article in New York Times
          -Research and development
          -Congress's possible role
     -Veto strategy
          -Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO] extension
          -1972 campaign
                 -Democratic candidates
          -Water quality bill
                 -Edmund S. Muskie
          -Political analysis
                 -The President's schedule
                      -Haig
                      -John N. Mitchell
                      -Robert J. Dole
                      -Charles W. Colson
                      -Connally
                      -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                      -Laird
                      -William P. Rogers

National growth policy
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FY 1973 budget
    -New initiatives
         -Effect
         -Education
         -Research and development
         -Tax increase
                -Mills
                -VAT
    -Balance
         -Full employment
    -Taxes
         -The President's schedule
                -Connally
                -Unknown people
    -Veto strategy
         -OEO extension
                -State of the Union message
                      -Strategy
                -House of Representatives
                -Child development program
                      -Strategy
                      -Richard H. Poff, Devine, John J. Rhodes
    -Taxes
         -The President's schedule
                Connally
         -Treasury's previous proposals
         -Parochial school aid
                -Constitutionality

Parochial school aid
     -Possible constitutional amendment
           -National Education Association [NEA]
           -William F. (“Billy”) Graham

1973 budget
     -Parochial school aid
          -Cost
          -VAT
          -Voucher program
                -Busing
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    School buses


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    The President's schedule

    International narcotics control
          -Defense Department's cooperation

    Pentagon Papers
         -Defense Department damage assessment
              -Daniel Ellsberg case
              -Adm. Noel Gayler's views
              -Ehrlichman's forthcoming call to Laird
                    -International narcotics
                    -NSC

    1973 budget
         -Full employment balance
         -Congress's schedule

    Congress
        -Forthcoming vote
        -The President's meeting with Congressmen, October 19, 1971
             -Vietnam

    Vietnam
         -Mansfield resolution
             -Soviet Union Summit
             -PRC Summit
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                 -Administration policy
                        -Congress
                              -The President’s view
                 -Mansfield resolution
                        -Prisoners of War [POWs]
                              -The President’s assessment
            -Negotiations
                 -Options
                        -Effect on POWs
            -Casualties
            -Motives of the President's opponents
            -Nguyen Van Thieu's election
                 -Effect
            -North Vietnamese casualties
            -Possible results of communist takeover
                 -The President's conversation with the bishop of Da Nang
            -POWS
                 -Possible raid
            -Mansfield amendment
            -Negotiations
                 -Possible bombing
                        -Cambodia, Laos
                        -Soviet Union, PRC
            -Actions of the President's opponents
                 -W. Averill Harriman
                 -William V. Shannon's October 19, 1971 editorial
                        -John F. Kennedy
                              -Dean Rusk
                              -Schedule
                              -Bay of Pigs

     Shannon

     Life

     New York Times
         -Ehrlichman's possible actions

Ehrlichman, et al. left at 5:05 pm.
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