Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 293-006
Date: Wednesday, November 17, 1971 at 1:27 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; Ehrlichman, John D.
Recording device: Old Executive Office Building
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/293-006

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[9:21] I'm working on the speech.
[9:22] I've got some things ready.
[9:24] Yeah.
[9:25] Go.
[9:50] You're not going to be able to find it.
[9:52] You've got to give it that much.
[10:16] Is that the one that provides for a takeover of everything above or under 25%?
[10:20] Yeah.
[10:20] That's good for a reference sheet.
[10:31] This is the house .
[10:36] I don't know about males in history.
[10:45] I'm not going to be able to do that, so I'm going to have to go around.
[10:57] That's the problem.
[10:58] You can't go over that task first.
[11:01] I'm not being concerned about that.
[11:03] On the ground, frankly, I don't think HR1 is going to make one.
[11:07] No.
[11:08] Why don't we play that game?
[11:09] I mean, I think looking at it very realistically, I don't think you're going to be able to...
[11:17] If this amendment passes, I mean, I cannot be in a position, John, of vetoing the tax bill because of everything else in it.
[11:23] Is that what the recommendation would be, to veto the amendment?
[11:26] I guess I have to say, in fact, what you and I know is that
[11:38] It may be one of those things where we have to grin and bear it, you know, with the idea that maybe it's just one space.
[11:46] It may be the way we get rid of the stimulus that we're going to go through reverent sharing, right?
[11:55] So you come down to this.
[11:56] But what does it gain as we commit this person?
[11:59] Does he give up on his amendment?
[12:05] Then what happens if he gives up on his amendment?
[12:09] All that we do by getting up, by going to Percy, is to move up to the effective day-to-day trial.
[12:13] We don't change any principles.
[12:17] I agree.
[12:19] Okay, then let's try it.
[12:22] Don't you think so?
[12:25] See, I think that's where we are.
[12:27] Let's be quite realistic.
[12:28] We cannot be COVID taxpayers.
[12:31] I mean, I just can't do that, because other than that, the auto-excise is going to be
[12:38] I think we ought to get out of this terrible situation.
[12:42] I mean, this has been terrible.
[12:45] I wasn't here to wait for Reagan.
[12:49] I'm pretty sure he didn't.
[12:53] I don't know.
[12:54] I don't understand much of what he's doing.
[13:07] I see.
[13:08] But he's not four persons in that.
[13:26] Well, of course not.
[13:32] So why this doesn't happen is the wrong way to do it.
[13:38] On the other hand, so therefore we ought to try to meet the amendment and pay what price we have to pay, don't you think?
[13:50] The evil in Percy changed.
[13:56] I mean, in Percy, that's what I mean by meeting and pay what price we need to not to have an amendment because the alternative is to have the amendment.
[14:07] Let's see what happens to HR1.
[14:11] Something may happen to it.
[14:13] Or do we feel something may, right?
[14:16] Is this network just gonna make something that's already bad a little worse?
[14:32] But isn't it worse, I mean, in front of this thing?
[14:35] of having what you call this one-time re-administration business, which is bad business.
[14:39] It isn't helpful, but they didn't do it.
[14:41] It's intolerable in terms of the revolutionary thing.
[14:44] They just want to bail out the governor and so forth.
[14:48] Don't you think so?
[14:49] That's my opinion.
[14:50] All right.
[14:52] Reagan's against it, too.
[14:53] Yeah, he said he was against it.
[14:58] Mainly because it's open-ended, as he puts it.
[15:00] That's his argument.
[15:02] He's against it on principle.
[15:04] Okay.