{"conversationCode":"293-009","tapeNumber":293,"conversationNumber":9,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-293-009","startDateTime":"1971-11-17T19:53:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-17T21:00:00.000Z","startDate":"17-Nov-1971","startTime":"2:53 PM","endDate":"17-Nov-1971","endTime":"4:00 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); [Unknown person(s)]; Kehrli, Bruce J.; White House operator; Hughes, James D. (\"Don\");","description":"On November 17, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, unknown person(s), Bruce J. Kehrli, White House operator, and James D. (\"Don\") Hughes met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:53 pm to 4:00 pm. 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Rockefeller\n                      -Percy\n                      -Effect\n                           -House Resolution [HR] 1\n                      -The President's previous conversation with Ehrlichman\n               -The President's signature\n               -Possible veto\n\n                 -Wilbur D. Mills\n                 -Congressional responsibility\n                 -Balanced budget\n                 -Staff meeting\n                       -John B. Connally\n                 -Financing political campaigns\n                       -Effect\n                       -Tax check-off provision\n                             -Hubert H. Humphrey\n                             -Effect\n                                  -Parties\n                                  -Vietnam War\n                       -Status\n                       -Possible veto\n                             -Eighteen year old vote\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -The President's forthcoming speech to American Federation of Labor-Congress of\n               Industrial Organizations [AFL-CIO] convention\n               -Raymond K. Price, Jr.\n\nHaldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 2:53 pm and 3:10 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 293-9A]\n\n     The President's review of a speech\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -The President's forthcoming AFL-CIO speech\n               -Prepared text\n               -Ehrlichman\n\nBruce J. Kehrli entered at 3:10 pm.\n\n                 -Instructions\n                       -Ronald L. Ziegler\n\nKehrli left at 3:11 pm.\n\n          -National Association of Manufacturers [NAM] Dinner\n               -Republicans\n\n     NAM Dinner\n        -Edmund S. Muskie\n        -Edward M. Kennedy\n        -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -Florida\n                -Manolo Sanchez\n                      -Conversation with Military Aides office\n                -Haldeman's conversation with Maj. Gen. James D. Hughes\n                      -Helicopters\n                      -Sanchez\n                      -Ziegler\n                      -Schedule Office\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 47s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nHaldeman talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 3:11 pm and 4:00\npm.\n\n[Conversation No. 293-9B]\n\n[See Conversation No. 14-156]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n     The President's schedule\n\nAn unknown man entered at an unknown time after 3:11 pm.\n\n     The President's speech\n\nThe unknown man left at an unknown time before 4:00 pm.\n\n     The President's forthcoming speech to AFL-CIO convention\n          -Content\n               -The President's previous radio broadcast on dignity of work\n               -Ehrlichman's views\n                      -Previous speech\n\nHaldeman talked with Hughes at an unknown time between 3:11 pm and 4:00 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 293-9C]\n\n[See Conversation No. 14-157]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -Trip to Florida\n                -Haldeman's previous conversation with Hughes\n                      -Helicopters\n                      -Sanchez\n\n     Congress\n\n     Pending legislation\n          -Tax Bill\n               -Percy's amendment\n                      -Richard B. Ogilvie\n          -John B. Anderson\n          -Donald H. Rumsfeld\n          -Ogilvie\n\n     Polls\n             -An initiative\n             -Robert Teeter\n             -John N. Mitchell\n\n             -Teeter\n             -Opinion Research Center [ORC]\n\nHaldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 3:11 pm and 4:00 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 293-9D]\n\n     Polls\n             -Figures\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n     Polls\n             -Results\n             -United Nations [UN] vote on the People's Republic of China [PRC]\n             -Troop withdrawal announcement\n             -Timing\n                   -Gallup\n             -The President's forthcoming speech to AFL-CIO convention\n             -Timing\n                   -Gallup\n             -Size of sample\n             -Accuracy\n                   -White House\n                   -Gallup\n                   -Harris\n             -Timing\n                   -Troop withdrawal announcement\n                   -Soviet summit announcement\n                   -Press conference\n                   -Announcement of the President's Supreme Court nominees\n                   -William F. (“Billy”) Graham\n                   -Compared with Laos invasion period\n                   -PRC\n                   -Phase II\n             -Results\n                   -National economy\n                   -The West\n                         -Recognition of the PRC\n                              -Compared to other areas\n                         -Ronald W. Reagan\n\nHaldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 3:11 pm and 4:00 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 293-9E]\n\n     Polls\n             -Gallup\n                  -Results\n                       -The West\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n     Polls\n             -Results\n                  -The West\n                       -The South\n\nHaldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 3:11 pm and 4:00 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 293-9F]\n\n     Polls\n             -Results\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n     Polls\n             -Results\n                  -Timing\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 2m 2s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n    Polls\n            -Results\n                 -National economy\n                 -The West\n                 -National economy\n                 -The Presidency\n                 -The President's forthcoming foreign trips\n                       -Mao Tse-tung\n                 -State visits\n                 -Vietnam\n            -Questions\n                 -National economy\n\n    National economy\n         -The President's forthcoming speech to AFL-CIO convention\n         -The President's program\n         -Cambodia\n         -Vietnam\n         -Wage increases\n         -Vietnam casualties\n\n    Kissinger\n         -Schedule\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 3m 58s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n     The President's schedule\n          -Speech\n\nHaldeman left at 4:00 pm.","filename":["293-009-splice.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:18:10","tapeEnd":"01:14:23","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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all."},{"start":1133.09,"end":1136.65,"text":"Not just problems that are going to come up, I'm sure."},{"start":1136.67,"end":1138.95,"text":"The allies aren't going to be ready to respond."},{"start":1138.99,"end":1143.2,"text":"We're talking about the Percy Scrooge Amendment that Hacksville is providing."},{"start":1143.28,"end":1149.46,"text":"I don't know if I'm picking up on that, but they're going to have to do something about it."},{"start":1149.5,"end":1151.96,"text":"They're going to have to do something about it."},{"start":1152,"end":1154.48,"text":"They're going to have to do something about it."},{"start":1154.52,"end":1157.38,"text":"They're going to have to do something about it."},{"start":1157.42,"end":1159.76,"text":"They're going to have to do something about it."},{"start":1166.18,"end":1167.34,"text":"They take care of it all."},{"start":1167.36,"end":1169.26,"text":"They let the rock color on fire."},{"start":1169.92,"end":1173.94,"text":"I just talked to Eric and 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advantage."},{"start":1327.11,"end":1329.51,"text":"Most people won't understand that."},{"start":1329.65,"end":1332.37,"text":"A company has an enormous challenge."},{"start":1332.69,"end":1333.36,"text":"We've got other ways."},{"start":1333.41,"end":1335.88,"text":"They've got to pay for their staff and everything else."},{"start":1336,"end":1337.52,"text":"We don't have to do that."},{"start":1337.8,"end":1342.2,"text":"Revenue is fine, but the thing to worry about is this checkbox."},{"start":1344.03,"end":1354.33,"text":"So the individual can check off on his tax return and be like a dollar of his taxes allocated to the party of his choice."},{"start":1354.49,"end":1356.99,"text":"No, allocated to party funds."},{"start":1357.09,"end":1360.53,"text":"It can't go to the party of his choice."},{"start":1362.49,"end":1381.79,"text":"They would prorate the things between the two major parties evenly and some stuff to the minor parties that would end up, they think, with something 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