{"conversationCode":"293-021","tapeNumber":293,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-293-021","startDateTime":"1971-11-22T17:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-22T18:30:00.000Z","startDate":"22-Nov-1971","startTime":"12:45 PM","endDate":"22-Nov-1971","endTime":"1:30 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On November 22, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 12:45 pm and 1:30 pm. 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