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Dixon's letter\n         -The President's forthcoming trips to the People's Republic of China [PRC] and the\n               Soviet Union\n               -Advance teams\n\n    Adele (Langston) Rogers St. John's letter\n         -Filmways\n              -Honorary Commission\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 12s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n    Letter from Duke University\n          -Anniversary of organization\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 12s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n    White House Christmas party\n         -Pearl M. Bailey\n\n          -Charles E. (“Pat”) Boone\n          -Harry L. (“Bing”) Crosby\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 1m 48s ]\n\nManolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 2:41 pm\n\nSanchez left at an unknown time before 3:10 pm\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n     White House Christmas party\n          -Woods's conversation with Paul Garvey\n              -The President and Hungarian refugees\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 38s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6\n\n*****************************************************************\n\n     Forthcoming White House dinner\n          -Thirteen year old entertainer\n                -Parents\n\nWoods's conversation with Charles S. Rhyne\n    -The President's Law School application to Duke University\n\nLetter to Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n      -Cancer event\n            -Appreciation\n\nLetter from Tom Kropp [Krock?]\n      -The President's portrait\n           -John B. Connally\n      -The President's schedule\n           -Connally\n\nPicture for an unknown person\n      -Thelma C. (“Pat’) Nixon\n      -Inscription\n\nJames Rowe [?]\n     -Dwight D. Eisenhower Foundation\n          -Possible donation of materials\n     -Artworks\n\nSpiro T. Agnew\n     -Performance in office\n           -Eisenhower\n     -Statements in Chicago\n           -Paul N. 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That's a good point, I think."},{"start":8317.07,"end":8319.45,"text":"And did you adjust to him?"},{"start":8319.47,"end":8319.99,"text":"I think I did."},{"start":8320.03,"end":8328.57,"text":"Asa Rogers thanked John for it, and she's like, Richard, you know, remembered I want to be honorary commissioned or something."},{"start":8328.61,"end":8329.83,"text":"He's coaching a film lady."},{"start":8330.37,"end":8336.2,"text":"Of course, you did tell her he's a great, you know, top of the thread negotiator."},{"start":8336.28,"end":8340.56,"text":"He wants to get away with it."},{"start":8340.64,"end":8341.14,"text":"Oh, sure."},{"start":8341.32,"end":8343.48,"text":"We could do that for a while."},{"start":8343.74,"end":8343.94,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":8343.96,"end":8344.24,"text":"All right."},{"start":8344.72,"end":8347.46,"text":"Sure you did, sure you did."},{"start":8347.5,"end":8351.4,"text":"Then, with a letter from Duke,"},{"start":8372.67,"end":8375.09,"text":"They're celebrating the 25th anniversary."},{"start":8375.11,"end":8382.05,"text":"They're hoping to get a goal of a million and a half million people to double what they did before."},{"start":8395.58,"end":8397.6,"text":"This doesn't seem to make any sense."},{"start":8397.64,"end":8401.58,"text":"You're not going to have a party, as I understand it now,"},{"start":8402.27,"end":8405.63,"text":"They were asking, they had Pearl Bailey and Pat Boone family."},{"start":8405.69,"end":8411.09,"text":"They were asking what your favorite Christmas song was."},{"start":8412.23,"end":8417.56,"text":"Well, they're going to have parties, but we're not the ones that will be present."},{"start":8417.64,"end":8421.72,"text":"They could still say they were singing a song in favor of yours and Boone's."},{"start":8421.74,"end":8421.98,"text":"Sure."},{"start":8422,"end":8423.1,"text":"Do you have a special favorite?"},{"start":8423.12,"end":8427.77,"text":"Pat Boone's famous song, Pearl Bailey and Christmas."},{"start":8429.91,"end":8433.23,"text":"They were, first they were trying to get Christy to do that."},{"start":8433.29,"end":8439.95,"text":"That could only be if he were here to get, because you can't do a program on that."},{"start":8439.99,"end":8441.17,"text":"That's really Christy's dog."},{"start":8441.51,"end":8443.11,"text":"Oh, it is Christy."},{"start":8553.3,"end":8562.21,"text":"Let's see, do you have one that you used to like as an old phone?"},{"start":8562.27,"end":8571.1,"text":"I think I've heard Paul Darby telling me about how beautiful it was when he played Silent Night for those little Hungarian refugees."},{"start":8614.24,"end":8623.5,"text":"Now, even that little 13-year-old or whatever it is, looking at this kind of stone, it's like one number, the night of your dinner at the 7th."},{"start":8623.62,"end":8626.82,"text":"Now, I did not put the stones on the dinner."},{"start":8626.84,"end":8632.59,"text":"I don't think they have to be here."},{"start":8632.61,"end":8635.17,"text":"I don't think so."},{"start":8635.19,"end":8643.11,"text":"Well, they've been here, and I don't really think you need to, because you've heard the girl, and you're doing her a better favor."},{"start":8644.16,"end":8645.5,"text":"Where did the mother come in for the entertainment?"},{"start":8645.56,"end":8648.18,"text":"Because the girl's too young to be a big fan."},{"start":8648.24,"end":8651.22,"text":"She accepted all the entertainment, right?"},{"start":8651.3,"end":8651.72,"text":"No, no, yeah."},{"start":8651.74,"end":8652.88,"text":"A father or something."},{"start":8652.9,"end":8656.17,"text":"So, yeah, no entertainer later."},{"start":8656.43,"end":8656.79,"text":"I don't..."},{"start":8656.87,"end":8661.49,"text":"This was played once on... Why don't you go and play it?"},{"start":8661.59,"end":8662.67,"text":"You can get to the end."},{"start":8662.71,"end":8665.09,"text":"That's what I'm going to do."},{"start":8666.23,"end":8666.53,"text":"All right."},{"start":8666.55,"end":8671.32,"text":"I just want to cover it."},{"start":8671.44,"end":8672.98,"text":"That's all I'm going to do."},{"start":8673.8,"end":8678.15,"text":"Charlie Ryan said... You've got to be careful not to make any more promises."},{"start":8678.41,"end":8680.07,"text":"I know, it's so hard."},{"start":8680.09,"end":8687.27,"text":"Charlie Ryan said that at a law school, he and a student, Leon Rice, distributed copies to each of the fellows of their law school application."},{"start":8687.43,"end":8692.75,"text":"And he thought, he probably brought yours, he thought he might like to see your answers."},{"start":8692.79,"end":8703.32,"text":"What's the answer?"},{"start":8710.26,"end":8716.39,"text":"And there's another nice letter of it, with on two leaves."},{"start":8716.49,"end":8718.61,"text":"That's from that cancer dinner, too."},{"start":8724.71,"end":8725.91,"text":"I'll see if I have a job."},{"start":8727.92,"end":8733.72,"text":"Let's see if I have a job."},{"start":8736,"end":8737.6,"text":"Well, I don't know what to do about it."},{"start":8737.62,"end":8738.26,"text":"I don't know either."},{"start":8738.3,"end":8739.5,"text":"We can't do 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