Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 294-006
Date: Thursday, November 18, 1971 at 9:10 AM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")
Recording device: Old Executive Office Building
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/294-006

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[8:46] Did you want to be over now?
[8:53] There's that labor thing.
[9:00] I edited it.
[9:04] He's going to call and get it done on.
[9:07] Yeah.
[9:19] Well, that was the reason we're not going back .
[9:36] Basically, you have to see if you can work out .
[9:47] The question there is whether we want to go, and if we don't want to go, then I'm just going to say, if we do, we're better off to get it set and done than to leave me in the position of being able to say, you know, I hope we can avoid it.
[10:05] There's a story coming out that we suggested 12 o'clock today, and he said, no, I think we can.
[10:13] I don't know if that's how it is.
[10:18] Well, we'll leave tonight at the same time.
[10:21] We'll go late.
[10:22] I'm not going to go down there.
[10:34] I'll go at 8 o'clock rather than 9.
[10:40] Thank you.
[11:13] This text you don't want to put out until tomorrow morning, do you?
[11:27] Oh no, I wouldn't put it out at night.
[11:34] No, I just said, done.
[11:35] Right, right.
[11:35] And we'll just have it.
[11:36] We can leave that for tomorrow morning.
[11:38] And you can, I'm sure, you can hand it off tomorrow morning to the press for writing on the original tonight.
[11:44] Thank you very much.
[11:55] Connolly, Heather, George, he was extremely busy yesterday.
[11:58] So this is very interesting.
[12:00] I mean, just to look at him.
[12:02] Is he...
[12:05] This was very upbeat.
[12:07] He said, you know, he felt very good.
[12:10] He'd been concerned, as everybody had, and everybody had been following him, and he wasn't exactly sure what kind of thing he was going to do.
[12:15] He said, I can talk to him.
[12:17] He said, Connie...
[12:19] George went over his plan with Conley.
[12:21] Conley went over his thinking with George.
[12:25] They're not very far apart.
[12:26] They've got something.
[12:28] George feels they're on a good track.
[12:30] Three of them are going to meet tomorrow.
[12:32] Schultz, Kissinger, and Conley.
[12:34] They're going to meet tomorrow.
[12:36] They think that tomorrow or over the weekend, they will...
[12:41] The three of them come to a firm recommendation.
[12:44] They'll have what they want.
[12:45] Now, if you want to put some pressure on them, you could set it up to have them come down Saturday or Sunday and get into it.
[12:55] If you want to get into it down there.
[12:58] I don't know whether to do it or not.
[13:03] I don't know if it's really worth their while to take five hours out of their day to go down there and go back.
[13:15] And that's what I would mean with them.
[13:21] Oh, yeah.
[13:26] Then you have to come down the side of you to stay open, so that maybe you'll kind of grow a little bit, like my life, I don't know.
[13:37] Then go down.
[13:40] There.
[13:42] Today is Friday or they can't get together for tomorrow.
[13:51] That's apparently what it's about.
[14:01] Well, they can come down on Saturday morning.
[14:09] I'd rather meet in the morning with them than in any event.
[14:12] Keep the active ones free in case the weather is good.
[14:19] I don't want to be in a sudden heat.
[14:21] The weather is going to get better rather than worse.
[14:24] It's more likely to be bad.
[14:27] That's probably your Saturday.
[14:28] Then do it on Sunday.
[14:29] Or do it on Saturday.
[14:30] Just fly back tomorrow, Saturday morning.
[14:38] Could we say, uh, we're left at 8?
[14:43] 8, 9, 10, 30?
[14:44] Why the hell would they be around on a Sunday night?
[14:49] 30 minutes.
[14:51] Yeah.
[14:52] They'd be good on the plane.
[14:54] They'll go down with you tomorrow.
[14:56] Today.
[14:57] They won't.
[14:58] No, they don't.
[14:58] They have to work.
[14:59] That's a problem for them, I think.
[15:01] Send another plane down with them on Friday.
[15:02] Yeah.
[15:04] If they like, let them spend the night, Friday night, Thursday night.
[15:07] They can meet there.
[15:10] And I'll be ready to meet with them Sunday morning.
[15:15] See?
[15:16] Sunday morning, 10 o'clock.
[15:18] Fair enough.
[15:19] Asking them if they'd be ready then.
[15:21] If they'd like to come down now.
[15:22] The main thing about it is to have, and you do it up around.
[15:25] You do it at the highest level.
[15:28] You call Connery and say, now, his time is just as valuable as mine.
[15:31] It's not true.
[15:32] It's all the same.
[15:33] Connery's got an enormous problem there.
[15:35] The problem with Connery, he always says, when anything you want.
[15:43] Now, if they were wanting to meet Saturday morning,
[15:45] That would be all right with you also.
[15:47] Saturday morning's fine.
[15:48] If they came down Friday night, that would be Saturday morning.
[15:51] Sure, sure.
[15:55] They might want to do that, and then go back.
[16:20] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:22] It's out there.
[16:23] He said we'll get it worked out over the weekend.
[16:24] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:28] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:32] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:33] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:34] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:34] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:36] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:36] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:37] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:39] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:41] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:42] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:45] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:46] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:47] I don't know if you've seen it.
[16:51] We're doing this on Monday morning.
[16:53] That's scheduled for the weekend to get it done.
[16:56] And I'll be there Monday morning.
[16:58] If I do anything on the press, I'll just do it Monday afternoon.
[17:04] I'll be there Monday afternoon.
[17:07] I'll be there Monday afternoon.
[17:10] I'll be there Monday afternoon.
[17:14] I'll be there Monday afternoon.
[17:21] In any event, we get the briefing quote for Sunday, so you have it on the plane coming up Sunday night.
[17:25] You can get a start at it.
[17:26] Okay.
[17:26] In fact, they probably aren't going to give it any money.
[17:31] That's true.
[17:41] It's time coming.
[17:42] Time.
[17:42] So they present time to see Monday morning.
[17:45] That gives them time to meet, work it out, and get whatever work they need to do done and make the meeting on Sunday.
[17:50] 10 o'clock Monday morning here.
[17:52] That gives them the weekend to get ready.
[17:53] I think really it'll mean more of a... That's better than that.
[17:58] Well, if they're shooting five hours at a time, they're not going to have as much fun.
[18:08] I thought we'd talk about that.
[18:13] Anything else?
[18:15] We've talked about several different things.
[18:17] But I didn't feel that we'd just been on one last week, which was quite good.
[18:22] Just going out on a mission.
[18:25] It's always now.
[18:26] It's not the big day.
[18:35] It's bad times.
[18:38] Well, I was thinking about after Thanksgiving, we might have the announcements regarding the European Crips and all that.
[18:47] You know what I mean?
[18:48] So we can talk more.
[18:50] Then you can get it into foreign policy.
[18:51] And also, we see if I could get that ready, we could have a little bit more
[18:58] a little bit more watered down about Phase II.
[19:02] Phase II will still be in a very...
[19:05] I don't know that I can go on and do a hell of a lot of good about Phase II on this uncertain period.
[19:12] They say this, I don't think talking about race is basically a good thing for us.
[19:17] I mean, all the yakking, despite what everybody's saying.
[19:21] I'm sorry for Rob's going to talk, but for me to be dragging it, whether you think that the American order should have a 25% wage increase or a price increase, do you think that this and that, you see what I mean?
[19:32] Our boys don't understand that sort of thing.
[19:35] They're like, they want me to get into going down the subway and so forth.
[19:38] Those are not good issues for them.
[19:39] It's just a good thing to have me dragged into that sort of thing.
[19:43] Don't you agree or not?
[19:44] I go before a laborer and say, look, fella, you've got to sacrifice your weight increase for a sponsorized cost of living.
[19:51] That's another thing.
[19:53] That's a different matter.
[19:54] But when I get into the nuts and bolts of an individual...
[19:58] What would you think of keeping Tuesday the 30th open?
[20:08] We were set for the 4-H then in Chicago.
[20:12] It now appears that the aging conference that we're going to do on Wednesday night, the 1st, might be better to do on Tuesday the 2nd.
[20:21] If that were the case, you'd do the 4-H on Wednesday the 1st and do a press conference out of California on the 30th.
[20:34] You'd work off to the 4-H on the 30th on the way back because of the numbers on the 1st.
[20:48] It would possibly be to do a press conference on Tuesday the 30th in California.
[20:56] Do the 4-H on Wednesday the 1st.
[20:56] Chicago.
[20:57] Right.
[20:57] And do the White House conference on Thursday the 2nd.
[21:03] Press Jolene to the 4-H. Yeah.
[21:07] So we're basically, you know, we're going to do it on Friday.
[21:20] Well, the announcement is not what I meant to make.
[21:49] And I didn't mean to use the press conference for denouncing it.
[21:54] Nobody gives a shit about that.
[21:55] But in the backlog of our account, it means that people that we've talked about put some focus on a different... We've got a few questions about that.
[22:00] Right on.
[22:02] Yeah.
[22:02] The possibility is going to be to just do it.
[22:12] Would be to go to the press thing on the 24th.
[22:21] The heat of the holiday is not good.
[22:22] I don't think it makes a big difference.
[22:25] I don't think the week is good.
[22:27] I have more feeling after it.
[22:29] It's really true that people are not thinking.
[22:32] It's like doing something.
[22:34] It's like doing something on Christmas Eve.
[22:37] There's no good shit.
[22:39] There's no good shit.
[22:44] Here they wind up again.
[22:46] There's more industry in it.
[22:49] It's like a summer press conference.
[22:53] We really have found that to be very helpful.
[22:56] Especially for TV, because there's a very little audience.
[23:05] In any event, we'll make our plans for the press conference.
[23:10] I'm going to have the book ready for what I can have when the money comes back.
[23:15] I don't want any secrets.
[23:17] I don't have any papers.
[23:21] I'm going to try to do it on the 7 o'clock, the great 7 o'clock Sunday.
[23:27] I woke up in the morning at 9.30 a.m.
[23:28] I just called the police.
[23:31] They said they were going to arrest me.
[23:35] They were on the second floor.
[23:37] They said they were going to arrest me.
[23:44] They said they were going to arrest me.
[23:51] They said they were going to arrest me.
[23:58] I think it's easier to get an order in the kitchen if you don't have the, if you don't have the hardship of getting into a day and three.
[24:07] What I mean is getting back to our third realm, the goddamn government.
[24:11] And not, you know, spending time with the rest of the country.
[24:16] A Tuesday, I believe, or should be in the morning, and the academy later in the morning, not in a seating room.
[24:24] That's right.
[24:27] You don't have them every week, what you do is do the
[24:52] leaders meeting and then have either the Academy or the NSCD later in the morning.
[24:57] So we can do it.
[24:58] That's very good.
[24:59] We're not going to have one.
[25:00] We turn on one a week.
[25:01] Marching together.
[25:05] And then of course the leaders, we have to do it.
[25:10] We've got to alternate.
[25:11] We respond two times a month.
[25:14] But I think I would just do it that way, and then the leaders, the federal leaders, they have a lot of them, and we haven't come to a decision to give it to them.
[25:23] Or the NSA to give it to them in the morning, Tuesday morning.
[25:27] Well, there's Henry's NSC, and he's not able to schedule anything, and we just won't have him.
[25:38] We will have him on that time, on the 4th of April.
[25:44] Okay, that's good.
[25:57] Don't move.
[26:30] Okay.
[26:32] Good.
[26:33] Okay.
[26:38] Thank you.
[26:41] Yeah.
[26:58] Very upbeat.
[27:00] Good move, please.
[27:07] Stand on end of the protocol, you know, except that I know that with me, he does not understand the softness.
[27:12] The only person around here that understands it, your softness history.
[27:19] We made a mistake in judgment in our approach to him yesterday.
[27:25] In retrospect, I had both Colson and Shulzberg just shattered last night.
[27:29] And Meany said, no, we couldn't come in today.
[27:32] And I said, this surprised me a bit.
[27:34] And I had kept arguing that all along.
[27:36] Can we really call Meany and just say we'll come in on his day?
[27:39] And they said, oh, of course, Mr. President.
[27:43] Well, what Meany said.
[27:44] Chuck picked it up from Love Stone afterwards.
[27:46] He says, you know, I can understand those stupid White House guys, but George Shultz knows better than that.
[27:53] I can't rearrange the day that I've got set up.
[27:55] What you're really getting to is maybe he makes his speech today, but he's going to let you come in and top it.
[28:02] And I don't blame him.
[28:06] And especially when you call a 77-year-old man at 8 o'clock at night before he's about to launch himself on the national stage again and say, would we like to change his mind?
[28:16] You got it.
[28:17] The logical thing for him to say is, the hell with it.
[28:19] Everybody doing the best they can.
[28:22] Don't screw up.
[28:22] All right, now, you... We'll set for 745.
[28:26] You don't want to be down earlier, so you don't have to leave.
[28:28] The rival thing, I don't know, I'm not going to do it.
[28:31] Crush it down.
[28:34] Okay.
[28:36] I'm sorry.
[28:37] I'm sorry.
[29:15] If you were the fact that we have such a small group going, just myself and two Secret Service of 1A, four seats is not going to cause them any trouble, because if others are going anyway, there's no problem with seats.
[29:34] Well, I would think there would be.
[29:37] But unlike any of those big games, the problem is getting seats two weeks ahead on game day, and there's no problem at all.
[29:46] They're always, you know... What I'm getting at, though, is that everybody else that's going is going anyway.
[29:50] And so we're only asking for four seats, and so that's a hell of a time, you know.
[29:54] What about Mrs. Nixon?
[30:04] Five.
[30:04] That's the message tonight.
[30:08] I think she's got some things going on.
[30:19] Why don't you ask right now what she has going on?
[30:31] I don't want her to...
[30:35] She gets stirred up about changing anything.
[30:37] I'd rather never keep her schedule.
[30:42] She doesn't think she's going to town.
[30:50] I don't.
[30:55] This is going to be going to Florida now.
[30:57] What is Mrs. Nixon's plan for tomorrow?
[30:59] Does she have those corner dancers?
[31:06] Why don't you stay here this weekend?
[31:15] Okay.
[31:16] CBS.
[31:16] Oh, network.
[31:20] Network CBS.
[31:20] That's great.
[31:23] Wonderful.
[31:26] Okay, thanks.
[31:29] All right, then do we think that actually was just... Yeah, please join the conversation.
[31:35] His mother's one.
[31:37] Probably, yeah.
[31:39] Early news, CBS had a minute and a half of it.
[31:41] On the big news, NBC had four minutes of it.
[31:45] And, uh, he was just saying, you know, the center spread of the daily news is all it really is.
[31:51] It's just awful good.
[32:02] She is about light, and so is Pritchard in terms of the way they handle people.
[32:17] Light is the head of virtually any congressman, senator, or governor.
[32:23] Northwestern capitals, they're more skilled.
[33:48] Pick a stab, and I don't think we'll be in trouble with it.
[33:51] No, it's turkey presentation time again, and I told them to present it to Mrs. Nixon this time, because they're presenting a dressed turkey rather than a live turkey.
[33:59] He finally winds up on that.
[34:00] He asked not to bring that live turkey.
[34:04] But I think it's a good touch anyway.
[34:07] She's the housemate, the homemaker, and they should give her the turkey for the Thanksgiving.
[34:11] And she said it was going to be for a very old woman.
[34:16] Very good.
[34:18] I'd like to correct you out of that.
[34:20] No, it's not so bad in many ways.
[34:23] In the first place, it's an unsympathetic story.
[34:27] People don't like the idea of killing turkeys.
[34:30] They don't mind eating turkeys, but they put that beautiful bird there and say, I'm going to kill it and eat it this morning.
[34:36] It's bad.
[34:37] And it's always a stupid picture.
[34:43] Oh, God.
[34:45] All the pictures of animals except dogs.
[34:47] King is the only good picture I've ever seen of a dog.
[34:49] He isn't an underdog.
[34:51] Well, he's a good one.
[34:56] I'm glad you're good.
[35:02] That's a smart thing to do, Bob.
[35:08] Very smart.
[35:09] How's your, uh, how are you getting on, getting going on the bus?
[35:12] I guess I am getting on.
[35:16] Pretty good.
[35:16] I see that the press, of course, that you would expect, when we all were just putting up the negatives, and I wondered if any of our people were stepping up to bat for him.
[35:24] Yes, and they started working behind the scenes also, like Humphrey was taking a lead out against him, and they've got Dwayne Andres putting in on him, because he's a big man to buses, and he's got the screen on him, he's backing him on, which...
[35:44] Some of those guys, they're against everything we do, and it's so clear that they...
[35:50] Even Teddy's got into this.
[35:53] For Christ's sakes, he has never been there for a farm boat.
[35:55] He and Jack have never paid attention to the farmer.
[35:58] If you notice, these guys are cracking.
[36:05] They...
[36:07] There's a threat that they may try to filibuster on the floor and it's bleeding.
[36:12] It's open.
[36:15] And they didn't do that.
[36:16] It's the Democratic Senate candidates who were involved.
[36:22] It's the Senate Democratic candidates who were involved in the crime.
[36:27] They were involved.
[36:28] How about Supreme Court?
[36:29] God, you know.
[36:30] They, the lips were really...
[36:32] The goddamn Ruffles House thing, that Rehnquist thing, just got them off the wall.
[36:38] They're climbing on him, and they're trying to pull out when he spoke to this organization.
[36:41] They talk about guilt by association.
[36:43] Get that down.
[36:44] Somebody's got to take him on.
[36:46] They were screaming about the fact that we take on the Democrats, who should be on the left-wing organization.
[36:50] Now, he spoke to some organization, so he's guilty of it.
[36:54] He is, of course, a member.
[36:55] That's guilt by association.
[36:57] Turn it on.
[36:58] Fight him.
[37:00] I don't know.
[37:01] I wish I had more time to directly charge you.
[37:07] I guess it's being directed now.
[37:10] You think it is, don't you?
[37:11] The negatives, the slashing of tax and so forth.
[37:14] Well, yeah.
[37:15] I don't know.
[37:16] Well, I think I have a great company of troops.
[37:18] Well, we've been hard.
[37:19] Troops, when they don't get the kind of play out of it, we've got to do it all the time.
[37:26] I like that.
[37:26] I had a note.
[37:26] I made my note.
[37:29] It's Stanley Stein.
[37:30] Did you call anybody who can't do anything?
[37:33] No.
[37:33] You might want to.
[37:33] He's lost three-fourths of his sight.
[37:35] One eye.
[37:35] He's over his operation, but he's going home tomorrow.
[37:38] Yeah.
[37:39] He'll be back to work Monday.
[37:40] Yeah.
[37:41] The show has great sense of humor.
[37:43] When he reported this, he said, it really doesn't matter.
[37:46] He just has the stuff I read.
[37:47] It's more than reading anymore.
[37:49] That's right.
[37:52] Quite a guy.
[37:53] You've got to make a decision on that.
[37:56] Counselor.
[37:57] Stein can't go to the bedroom.
[38:00] Okay, he is geographically disqualified.
[38:01] We're going to have to make him chairman of the government.
[38:08] We'll have a lot worse.
[38:11] Someone made the point, which I had thought about, but they almost didn't insist that he be made chairman, which is that they will not be through with the economic report at the end of the year, and someone who knows what he's doing has got to get that done.
[38:24] So you almost have to make this guy chairman of the council to prove that through to anyone.
[38:29] And he is a good spokesman.
[38:31] He does do what he's done.
[38:34] He's got a good sense of humor as well as being...
[38:37] He got the art, he's not a Jew.
[38:39] Yeah.
[38:40] He got the art, he's not a Jew.
[38:44] That's one thing that bothers me, worries me, bothers Connelly.
[38:48] You're right.
[38:50] Because that's something that they'll make some hay out of, or try to...
[38:56] We get no plus points.
[38:57] There'd be no good if you could have 30 Jewish advisors.
[38:59] You wouldn't get any Jewish president.
[39:01] What are you talking about?
[39:04] The chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors, my top economic advisor is my top fourth-hall advisor is a Jew.
[39:11] Now, what the crazy do you want?
[39:13] A Jew in a cab?
[39:13] A Jew in the cart with three ambassadors?
[39:16] You're not going to get them.
[39:19] I don't think we've got any choice.
[39:22] The anti-Semites hitting the bank of the Jews is not only going to control the foreign policy, but now domestic and financial problems.
[39:29] I know, but it's just one of those things that isn't that big, Bob.
[39:38] It's not that big.
[39:44] Yeah, but see, that's one of those things where the Senate figures to pass it because they know the House will knock it out.
[39:58] Now, we're trying to kill it.
[39:59] How would the House knock it out if the Senate votes almost in the House?
[40:07] The sentence passed it before because I understand the power in the house.
[40:10] It is an unbelievable goddamn thing.
[40:12] It's really unbelievable.
[40:15] Well, it's understood that we've got to get it killed.
[40:20] And their... Their hustle this morning is to...
[40:25] They're working the butts... We've got the congressional guys really lumped in today.
[40:28] They've got the butts thing and got another man still in there.
[40:30] And the house... What's the butts thing?
[40:37] Bust.
[40:37] Bust.
[40:38] I'm sorry.
[40:39] Busted.
[40:39] No, no busting today.
[40:40] You know, I was disappointed this morning.
[40:45] I knew it would happen this way.
[40:47] I called Coastal.
[40:49] I had called the Congressman and all four of them.
[40:54] I thought they were so elated because he's done a great thing for the country.
[41:00] He had a great day.
[41:01] So I called him and I said, now do you have a signal?
[41:06] I said, he hasn't paid them all money.
[41:09] He said, well, he's got a proper point.
[41:11] I said, well, not what they should have had, in my opinion.
[41:13] And they played, and I hadn't realized, and if I had known it, I wouldn't have done it.
[41:17] You know, the statement he put up on Alex Mansfield's name.
[41:20] They put that as the lead, you know.
[41:22] Well, basically, if I had known that a goddamn boat was coming that day, I wouldn't have overwritten it with that.
[41:27] It didn't amount to that much, you know what I mean?
[41:29] The boat was so late, see, they'd have missed the news.
[41:31] They didn't, you know, the boat was the last 540.
[41:34] But in the papers, it's funny.
[41:35] In the Times, you know, folks, they really thought, they really buried it.
[41:38] It's way down in the mouth of the, way down the line.
[41:41] But they've taken one?
[41:43] No, they haven't.
[41:43] Every time we went up.
[41:45] No, a couple of the ones.
[41:46] When we went up in the Senate, the House votes, we don't get any final time.
[41:48] It was quite a little turnaround in terms of, it wasn't different than any of the other ones.
[42:03] It was a substantial game for all the time.
[42:04] This whole game that they're playing up there now, you know, running a man's field or a church or something, every piece of legislation that's before it, what do we do about it?
[42:11] Do you have any credit?
[42:12] I have no credit.
[42:13] Someone's got to start making this point that Henry's been making.
[42:17] If you declare a statement of policy, you don't keep slapping it on everything that comes by.
[42:28] That's going to stop everybody.
[42:30] They're going to go on whacking it.
[42:40] That's the...
[42:42] And McGregor enjoyed it.
[42:43] In fact, I think Timmons, too, they enjoy battles like this.
[42:47] Yep.
[42:47] They're a good team, because Timmons loves getting back in underneath and knifing people, and McGregor loves to sort of lead the charge and get him all out.
[42:57] The two together kind of work pretty well.
[43:00] Worked damn well.
[43:00] Oh, that was a good one.
[43:01] Right on the door, on the roof, on the roof, on the roof, on the roof, on the roof.
[43:12] They were afraid.
[43:13] What Clark was afraid of was that they'd get a buzzing amendment on that.
[43:17] Oh, yeah.
[43:17] Yeah, I know.
[43:17] I know that.
[43:18] He knew if we got it up and down in Poland, we could beat it.
[43:22] But he was afraid we'd get out and lose it.
[43:28] And they defeated it.
[43:35] Good and strong.
[43:36] We'll keep everything else open.
[43:40] And the game will keep open for Monday.
[43:43] I think actually there's no problem there.
[43:46] And everybody about this time that you see, if you announce it, as we said last week, if you announce the Puna Voodoo game a week in advance, that people all in black have just announced it the last time.
[44:01] Yeah.
[44:02] All right.
[44:05] Let me keep our friends.
[44:06] I think on the monetary thing, don't tell Schultz alone.
[44:10] You've called Connelly, too, a long time.
[44:14] Oh, yeah.
[44:15] That's always...
[44:16] I'm going to settle with Connelly.
[44:17] Don't tell Schultz at all.
[44:19] You could say that I'm going to be ready Monday morning.
[44:22] I figured they'd like the weekend.
[44:25] And I'm ready Monday morning.
[44:27] I'm setting aside the time.
[44:28] Is that all right with him?
[44:32] It's not a good time to tell us.
[44:36] I know that the best and the most important is to do it right, and I know you will.
[44:52] No.
[44:53] No.
[45:00] Well, we've got to get him over sometime.
[45:03] We've got another meeting.
[45:04] Well, I've got a few things.
[45:12] I've got to talk to Andrea about my next page.
[45:16] And I may, I mean, if there's something important I'll do it.
[45:20] I'm not going to do anything in that damn head welding except just make him turn, basically.
[45:25] You know what I mean?
[45:27] Yeah.
[45:29] I looked over all this and got it.
[45:39] I assume the way we do that is just to hedge it off to each other at the end of the session.
[45:57] No, I agree we'll do it.
[45:59] I'll just tell them that they're welcome to go.
[46:02] I don't want them to go this weekend because I don't want them to just work on the plane.
[46:12] They wouldn't want to be going this weekend and have to come back.
[46:15] But I'm sure they will.
[46:18] And they get this interview.
[46:23] Right.
[46:29] Go to commercials.
[46:31] Yeah.
[46:32] Too many?
[46:33] No, you can do it.
[46:35] You can't do it with the lines.
[46:37] There's 63 baseball players and 57 football players.
[46:40] A total of 120.
[46:44] There also will be basketball players and basketball stars.
[46:51] Any of them work?
[46:53] Well, another thing you could do, which might be easier,
[46:57] And more meaningful for them is to have them and their wives for a reception rather than having for a dinner.
[47:01] Where you have them come through, you give some brief remarks, let them go through a receiving line and shake hands with them, which would be a big deal for the wives.
[47:11] You tell the wives what a great thing it is their husbands are doing.
[47:14] Let there be press coverage of it so we get some mileage out of that.
[47:19] Alright.
[47:20] And do that, and let the basketball players come through at that point.
[47:23] Yep.
[47:23] Could you be in the basketball season?
[47:30] Much better to many people, much better if they can come.
[47:34] I don't know, you know, a lot of them could possibly come and have practice.
[47:40] Well, except if we go in the early spring before we get them.
[47:43] Oh, then, oh, yes.
[47:45] Hold it off until after the football season's over.
[47:47] I particularly want the football players to get it after.
[47:49] You've got to get it after, before spring training.
[47:52] You have to get it.
[47:54] I don't care about basketball.
[47:55] That's right.
[47:56] We just get whatever basketball we can get.
[47:58] There'll be a few of them.
[47:59] You're right.
[48:00] Good.
[48:00] Good idea.
[48:04] I also have done some thinking about the...
[48:06] I think that I ought to cry about the... some sort of a recession.
[48:09] Go on.
[48:14] And not because it's not in a public relationship.
[48:19] It's just doing the nice thing.
[48:25] Get in that Wall Street class.
[48:28] Sometime, you know.
[48:31] Okay?
[48:31] My house.
[48:33] Which one?
[48:33] The way to go after the trips?
[48:35] Between them, I thought.
[48:39] Spring.
[48:40] No, after the trips might be a good idea.
[48:42] After the trips, right.
[48:43] The other one after the trips that I'd like to do, I do think I'll go on the, you know, on the military.
[48:48] We're all going to do it.
[48:55] The list is far too great.
[48:55] I mean, I've got to get done there next month.
[48:57] You know, I'm going to find everybody who ever served with me, and I can't do that.
[49:01] So I don't have time to do it.
[49:04] It's nice.
[49:11] One of those nice things to do.
[49:12] Next time, we're going to make a very nice one.
[49:14] It's going to be something that's going to be very good.
[49:17] It's like a literature.
[49:19] It's a law school class.
[49:20] We ought to split them.
[49:22] Maybe do one between the two trucks and one after.
[49:24] The law school class, you see, is going to stack them all on the 137.
[49:34] This will be the class of 37, 35, and 72.
[49:39] So you might make them June.
[49:40] You heard it last week.
[49:41] So you have that at that time in the law school class.
[49:44] And there, I'm going to spread it out just a little.
[49:45] I'm going to pick up the law professors that are still
[49:49] Yes, it was there.
[49:52] And pick up a little out of classes.
[50:01] A couple of classes.
[50:03] Invasive classes.
[50:12] who were at the school.
[50:13] Put somebody to, put somebody to, I put Charlie Bryant to work on it.
[50:16] Charlie, for example, did not graduate, you know.
[50:19] He stayed there.
[50:19] He was only there for the first year.
[50:27] But I went along the whole first year class.
[50:31] All of those were done.
[50:33] I made people know a couple of others.
[50:37] I had him and a couple of other people.
[50:41] I started working with Mac Hollis.
[50:47] Mac Hollis.
[50:48] I get Charlie in and said, Charlie, would you like to do this?
[50:51] And I picked a big, very good dealer, and he asked me if I'd bring him.
[50:55] He was really, really hard for the whole thing.
[50:58] And so we finished it and said, would you like to do it?
[51:02] I'd like to do it.
[51:02] Yes, sir.
[51:03] I'd like to do it.
[51:04] In the case of service, then I'd like to do it.
[51:07] That's what I was saying.
[51:10] Because you get more of it.
[51:11] And I didn't mean just reception.
[51:12] You didn't mean dinner, Jim.
[51:13] No, no, no.
[51:14] I do a reception for these animals.
[51:16] And a reception with plenty of, you know, hors d'oeuvres.
[51:18] Yeah.
[51:19] And like we do.
[51:21] And like we did at the baseball, they all come and they vest it up and they go out and do stuff in the town.
[51:27] But with the big of it, with a little serviceman thing, you know, I make that real smart difference when I get to that piece.
[51:40] Do a little tie-ins and entertain them.
[51:43] Have the name before us or something.
[51:44] Yeah.
[51:45] Have them.
[51:46] We might do that.
[51:47] We might have that.
[51:48] And, uh...
[51:49] I want to do a little pageantry.
[51:59] I want to have a review on the lawn or something like that.
[52:11] We can do the pageantry.
[52:13] We can do the, uh...
[52:17] and the colors and have some jazz when they come in.
[52:23] Come in the north drive and have the jazz on the drive.
[52:26] It's like that.
[52:27] It doesn't take any of your... You know, it's a really great thing for people to see.
[52:31] I've heard it.
[52:38] And then you're getting guys that were junior officers who, you know, rolling up to the White House and having the troops come to play and all that sort of stuff.
[52:46] And in fact, I'll invite you to some of those.
[52:48] I don't remember.
[52:49] Okay, that's good.
[52:54] Half of us are going to agree.
[53:00] Yeah.
[53:00] It's just a nice thing.
[53:02] It was like the State of Rivals kind of thing on the lawn.
[53:06] I mean, not immediately on the lawn, but like a Prime Minister arrival thing on the road before we have a true gal I need to drive and serve an honor guard.
[53:13] It was the 30th anniversary of my going to the concert.
[53:20] It was important to me when I finished.
[53:30] Years you have to go.
[53:32] The best man to do is scat.
[53:42] He slips.
[53:42] He jumps.
[53:43] And he says, I take a lot of time to do it.
[53:57] We don't want to, we can't have a whole
[54:04] We've got to have all the Navy guns we're going to have, but we cannot have all the fliers and so forth and so on.
[54:15] So we're going to have to sort of take a few of them and collect them.
[54:21] Somebody's going to come up.
[54:23] Somebody's going to come up.
[54:27] Somebody's going to come up.
[54:28] Somebody's going to come up.
[54:29] Somebody's going to come up.
[54:30] Somebody's going to come up.
[54:31] Somebody's going to come up.
[54:34] Boil, you need to boil it.
[54:36] Store it severely, because it's going to come in much more plastic than you're buying now.
[54:43] You know, it's a great thing to sell in New York.
[54:47] All the way in New York.
[54:49] That was in New York, that was in New York.
[54:54] I had a list down, so it was about $300 or so.
[54:56] I think I had a group of $300, not too large, but...
[55:02] Can you come around to the fact that you believe now in the fact that he's, uh... No.
[55:16] Cut it off.
[55:23] Okay, come on.
[55:25] Just have him come over to you, okay?
[55:27] All right, have you got back?
[55:29] Yeah, five.
[55:30] Have you had a good reception?
[55:32] Yeah.
[55:33] You, uh, when you're free, drop over, you'll be fine.
[55:36] Extraordinary, he said.
[55:40] Extraordinary.
[55:42] I like to see that.
[55:43] You've done something there.
[55:59] It's when you talk to John.
[56:03] It's not just me that I think it would be the best time.
[56:19] He thinks it should be sooner than we would do it Sunday morning.
[56:23] Or Saturday morning, see what I mean?
[56:28] The floor is often open.
[56:29] The floor is often open.
[56:30] I can do it Saturday morning, Sunday morning, or Monday morning.
[56:31] But if it were there, it would have to be the floor.
[56:34] I'm keeping the afternoons open because I may want to watch the football games.
[56:39] Okay.
[56:39] Now, if you have somebody to check and see whether there's a Redskins game, I'm sure it can be by radio, but I want to see that Redskins-Dallas game.
[56:53] I don't know.
[56:56] I don't see it.
[56:58] It wouldn't be there.
[56:58] I'm sure it would be up here.
[57:04] I might need to come back to see that.
[57:06] It would be in Baltimore.
[57:09] I'd say we might be able to get it.
[57:10] Get it here?
[57:10] We've got it in Camp David all the time.
[57:13] Channel 2.
[57:13] We always see the rest of it in Camp David.
[57:19] Where is it?
[57:19] Does it show?
[57:21] Well, it didn't.
[57:22] Isn't there a way that you could hide it in the N.R.?
[57:23] Is that just too expensive?
[57:25] I don't know if I have.
[57:27] Yeah.
[57:28] And maybe we'll just have a sample of some of the areas.
[57:30] I don't want to.
[57:31] Anybody that's running in California is running in Arizona.
[57:34] Redskins in Dallas.
[57:35] Running in Ohio.
[57:38] South Carolina.
[57:39] Texas.
[57:41] North Carolina.
[57:47] I don't want to.
[57:52] practically go to two beings in the same week, so I think that's overdosed, if you see my question.
[57:59] So I want to do it.
[57:59] I want to help.
[58:00] I want to do a program in the center.
[58:02] I could get a much bigger TV main course out of Oklahoma, but I want to do it.
[58:07] I've got to do the Redskins once.
[58:12] There's something I don't have.
[58:16] I don't want to do it.
[58:17] I don't want to do it, but I'll do it.
[58:31] That'll be interesting.
[58:35] You might check to see if there's any money or anything.
[58:44] Oh, Cincinnati inside.
[58:55] A lot of enthusiastic, I have to say.
[58:59] These people ought to present it as we ought to be more aggressive.
[59:12] Yes, because you're aggressive.
[59:14] I'm not as aggressive as you.
[59:19] They really moved it up.
[59:21] They really crushed the bottom.
[59:23] They combined leading up to commercial stuff and coming home stuff, and they had the biggest turn out in the world.
[59:31] Oh shit, I'm worried.
[59:31] You'll get that any place, I'm sure you will.
[59:33] I'd say that the draw that Henry is in, that Conway's in New York, the New York economic, they had a bigger draw than they'd ever had since the first shot.
[59:43] They turned down 500 tickets.
[59:45] But they built, you know, they had never had more than 100.
[59:49] Well, that's my point.
[59:53] That crowd of 200 is better than a crowd of, say, the Chicago Executives Club of 5,000.
[1:00:00] It's a question of getting the elitists together.
[1:00:03] That's why when you go to California, next time we're going to have you do the...
[1:00:17] I really think they followed up basically with the L.A. country club service and that's the one we wanted to do.
[1:00:27] The way you do it there is a big group by invitation.
[1:00:30] You've done him, you see.
[1:00:33] What we want to do is, you hit one group at a time.
[1:00:38] What you need is, you need to pick, frankly, somebody of the rise of an ace call.
[1:00:54] But they could put together one hell of a group.
[1:00:57] Who puts it together?
[1:00:58] Put it together, the California problem, because what Henry has to draw out of... What I will do there is to head his California club.
[1:01:05] That's right.
[1:01:07] And, of course, Schreiber will be invited, among others.
[1:01:09] I don't care.
[1:01:10] No, no, no, no.
[1:01:11] What I meant is he's part of the group.
[1:01:12] You see Henry, California is a... Southern California is a very fragmented community.
[1:01:17] Tash Carter is Beverly Hills in Hollywood.
[1:01:19] And then you've got the California club, club crowd, which is basically San Marino...
[1:01:26] and the downtown financial district crowd.
[1:01:30] And then you've got the Los Angeles country, Westwood and Bel Air, which is Westwood and Bel Air.
[1:01:35] And then, of course, you've got, sprinkled around there, you've got a hell of a group in Orange County.
[1:01:41] But you see, you might have to do them separately, you can't, but no, you know, you can, 100 people can cover Southern California, believe me, 100 people.
[1:01:51] If you're going to lose the U.S. in the list, you've got to close your accounts.
[1:01:53] And that's what we don't put against.
[1:01:55] We've got all the time.
[1:01:55] I really made a very tough speech.
[1:01:58] I began by saying, what if the president of January 29, 1969, I think, had an argument with the president and said, in less than three years, we're going to have to change the style of the text.
[1:02:11] All these newspapers would be full of credibility.
[1:02:16] Yet he's accomplished them all.
[1:02:17] And what do we hear?
[1:02:19] An answer to that?
[1:02:20] I mean, there'd be enough of them to get it out.
[1:02:22] And the press, sir?
[1:02:23] The publisher of the inquiry.
[1:02:25] No, but they didn't cover it with the television press.
[1:02:28] Much the best way to do it.
[1:02:30] Let me say it.
[1:02:32] On the press, the way I would always do that...
[1:02:39] The crowd that you had at the commercial club, or the crowd, and incidentally, Bob, I think you could go to 200 in Los Angeles.
[1:02:46] You could go to 200, but not one lower than Los Angeles.
[1:02:50] Philadelphia is another place you've got to have 200, you know.
[1:02:54] That's Union League Club.
[1:02:56] Union League, that's right.
[1:02:57] And San Francisco.
[1:02:58] Pittsburgh.
[1:02:59] San Francisco, Pittsburgh.
[1:03:00] Dallas, Houston.
[1:03:01] There are about 10 major cities where, what you are doing is, the way you complement them,
[1:03:09] I don't have any television and no reporters.
[1:03:11] Then I said, while you're in town, you might go over and do a television show with me.
[1:03:17] But the thing is that what is the worst of both worlds is to do one for all of our cabinet, other people.
[1:03:24] They go and speak to a crowd of 200.
[1:03:26] They have all the press there.
[1:03:28] They cover the press and the rest.
[1:03:30] And that doesn't compliment the 200.
[1:03:32] It isn't a good story for the press.
[1:03:34] Absolutely not.
[1:03:35] To my point, because it isn't good for the press to see a black-tie group being addressed by Dr. Kissinger.
[1:03:41] Plus the fact that you get much more press interest if they think... Bob Taft, they had two colors in the Cincinnati Enquirer.
[1:03:52] The Chinese can't do it on the 23rd because they have a delegation from Manoa and they said to do it if we absolutely insist.
[1:04:05] But they would be very grateful if we did it on the 29th.
[1:04:22] And I think we must just agree to it.
[1:04:25] Yeah, yeah.
[1:04:25] I don't think they're doing us wrong.
[1:04:26] Absolutely not.
[1:04:27] It's the most conciliatory message.
[1:04:29] Monday night is Monday, right?
[1:04:30] You're still in California, which is correct then.
[1:04:33] Well, we might go in the press conference on Monday.
[1:04:38] Why is that?
[1:04:38] Why not?
[1:04:39] How about waiting for the 30th?
[1:04:44] How about asking for the 30th?
[1:04:47] Right now.
[1:04:50] Yeah.
[1:04:51] 30th is a better day for an announcement.
[1:04:53] That's 4-H to the Wednesday.
[1:04:56] Yeah.
[1:04:56] 30th is a better day for an announcement than a Monday, in my opinion.
[1:04:59] What do you think?
[1:05:02] Well, it may have to do something with that.
[1:05:09] All right.
[1:05:09] 30th?
[1:05:10] I'd like to hit it 30th, California time, 7.30.
[1:05:14] Eastern time, 10.30 Eastern time.
[1:05:16] Is that bad?
[1:05:16] 9.30 AM.
[1:05:17] But Bob, it doesn't matter all that much what time it is.
[1:05:22] If you could help, we can still do it the way we agreed.
[1:05:26] That we just released one man an hour.
[1:05:30] And then at your press conference, you answer those questions.
[1:05:34] That's okay.
[1:05:35] That builds the interest.
[1:05:36] All the agreed announcements say that the visit starts on the 21st.
[1:05:39] Fine.
[1:05:40] Okay.
[1:05:40] And then we announce that you have a press conference.
[1:05:43] And then you say, oh, this is the press conference.
[1:05:46] And then you can still talk about it as it makes it more likely to visit.
[1:05:49] Yeah.
[1:05:50] Well, then why not have it?
[1:05:52] Since they have suggested the 29th, why not go ahead with the 29th and still have the press conference?
[1:05:58] But it'll work that way.
[1:06:02] You could wait enough press hours after this.
[1:06:07] I'm absolutely sure the 10 degrees and the 30 degrees too.
[1:06:10] We said though, let's not have it the last day of the month.
[1:06:15] You know what I mean?
[1:06:17] I think the 29th is better.
[1:06:19] I mean, from our local press standpoint, they'll think we dragged it out.
[1:06:21] 29th was the best thing.
[1:06:24] Now, how would you go about the interview?
[1:06:28] Their message was very, very cool.
[1:06:30] You know, we're in this boat ship in Hanoi now.
[1:06:33] Well, and I read it out.
[1:06:34] I read the morning message.
[1:06:36] We got it from the morning, Mr. President.
[1:06:37] We got through all this bad stuff.
[1:06:39] We're coming back here now.
[1:06:43] I think, Mr. President, the day I go back to the drawing board with you and I...
[1:06:50] You know, there's a delegation going to be in D.C. on the 23rd.
[1:06:52] And the purpose of all this, as I understand it, is to give the...
[1:06:55] I think there are two reasons.
[1:06:57] One is, let's say, the major reason is that your announcement goes to the back of the girl's door.
[1:07:05] You said there was a second point.
[1:07:08] The second point I want you to talk about is that you're telling him something that...
[1:07:20] something that's not going to be much to accomplish, but that the only other person who would change that, that we, that we, that we don't do, and that we don't have a person to do anything with.
[1:07:36] And that is that, and that is that, that Mrs. Nixon and the President want them invited to every dinner
[1:07:48] Now, if they're going to get an official invitation from the President, we're moderated to do it.
[1:07:53] I want to say that he knows that there may be times that there are important things to do, but they are not commanded performances.
[1:08:00] If it is commanded performances, we will be in touch with them.
[1:08:04] I know, President, we're not going to have you in for a long time.
[1:08:11] By energy, the President does feel that's important to President Brazil and to me.
[1:08:15] For example, if we have somebody like a Canadian here or something, we would say, we just want you to know that we have him on the list because, basically, they repeat that, as far as the forums are concerned, they want to see, at this point, they want to see how he's been seconded to state and seconded to trade with those actors who have done it.
[1:08:39] And they want to see, they know a lot more than they want to see Robert.
[1:08:43] Of course, Robert's just behind it anyway.
[1:08:46] So, just say that you can be very candid with him because the President has also, he's told us today, you think that's a good thing.
[1:08:59] I commonly just see Henry as
[1:09:06] is more sensitive to these little things than you think.
[1:09:10] He doesn't want anything, but it's nice for him to know that he has a special place.
[1:09:16] That's right.
[1:09:16] Nice for him to know.
[1:09:19] And you can say now, and you say now, John, the only other cabinet officer who's invited everyone out is your first and second president.
[1:09:28] And the others we wrote to, and he wants you at every one.
[1:09:32] And
[1:09:33] But his thing, the Secretary of State is compulsory for all because that's his duty.
[1:09:39] The Secretary of Treasury's thing is the same relationship as you have with the Vice President, which is that he's given this mix, including the oil liners, on the invitation list.
[1:09:49] Yeah.
[1:09:49] But that's his option.
[1:09:50] That it's his option.
[1:09:51] His option.
[1:09:52] And you can tell him that this, that it's his option, and that whenever we feel that it is a command, like a military man's command, that either you or Henry will call his office and say, we would appreciate this great distinction.
[1:10:08] How's that sound to you?
[1:10:09] That's a very good point.
[1:10:11] What other people have done, they've had Mrs.
[1:10:13] Downing, if you like, with one of his wives, over there to visit his house.
[1:10:18] They told Kersant that they were reviewing the sentence to see if it would take some time off of the behavior.
[1:10:28] They've already told us that within two months of my visit, they were going to release him, so I think I could.
[1:10:33] Well, we've got to, if anything like that happens, we have got to get, got to get credit for him.
[1:10:40] Well, at this point, I can't let Rogers handle it.
[1:10:44] Well, Alan's already gone, you know.
[1:10:47] I put it down here.
[1:10:48] Oh, man.
[1:10:49] Well, I put, I put background with the Jesus on it, and said that it was arranged.
[1:10:54] Isn't there where we did it?
[1:10:59] We did it.
[1:10:59] We did it.
[1:11:00] We say anything because it is said.
[1:11:01] Well, I may, if I can get that, that ambassador, then he was most anxious to see me.
[1:11:06] Walter told me that he attended on that.
[1:11:11] Let's come back to this situation now on that day.
[1:11:13] Why did they, would they not have been made a simple announcement on the delegation?
[1:11:19] It is imperative for them to announce on the day that an Annoys delegation is going to Annoys all the refugees, and that looks like it was too nice for you, right?
[1:11:29] Well, they didn't have to give us any explanation.
[1:11:31] They could have just said the 23rd is going to be here.
[1:11:36] And so they came back and said the 29th.
[1:11:40] They said the 29th, surely, for sure.
[1:11:43] They said the 23rd.
[1:11:45] It was absolutely insistent.
[1:11:47] They said that was very bad for them.
[1:11:49] They appreciated it as a courtesy.
[1:11:50] They don't have to do that.
[1:11:52] They could have just said, we don't want to do it on the 23rd.
[1:11:54] Get the message back and make it the 29th.
[1:11:57] And get it said.
[1:11:58] That's done.
[1:11:59] And it's done.
[1:12:00] And their whole pattern is very conciliatory.
[1:12:03] They...
[1:12:04] The Bush thing came off well.
[1:12:06] I didn't know.
[1:12:07] That was handled for once with a little discretion.
[1:12:11] Bill Bush made just a statement that disappointed us all in the new summer.
[1:12:16] He didn't get much publicity, but he got the record straight.
[1:12:20] And that's all we needed to do.
[1:12:22] You think it was the right thing to do?
[1:12:25] Yes.
[1:12:25] The State Department was going to have you make a blast with the Chinese.
[1:12:30] I think Greenfield was deep down.
[1:12:33] I don't know if they want to kill it, but if it's the left, for some reason, they would certainly not be unhappy.
[1:12:43] I don't know.
[1:12:44] I guess that's not fair to say to kill it, because I think Marshall Green is at least a good-hearted bastard.
[1:12:54] You know what I'm saying?
[1:12:56] Yeah.
[1:13:00] Then they started screwing their own secretary.
[1:13:02] They're an unbelievable bunch.
[1:13:03] Well, they're screwing him now, aren't they?
[1:13:06] Yeah, after they called, after Rogers called me about five times to get this statement out, no sooner was this statement out that this anti-fiction and the lower-level league, that it was put out for a few political reasons.
[1:13:18] But they didn't agree with it.
[1:13:21] Well, I told you he didn't agree with it, sir, because they thought we shouldn't say anything.
[1:13:24] That's right.
[1:13:26] So, of course, they didn't think the speech was so tough.
[1:13:29] Yeah, I saw that.
[1:13:31] I saw that.
[1:13:31] What did he say?
[1:13:32] Did he get the party?
[1:13:35] No, he said he was out of range.
[1:13:36] You know, when they get there, he gets more and more.
[1:13:42] There'll be more of them.
[1:13:44] Why?
[1:13:45] Well, if he never gets there.
[1:13:46] If he ever gets up and says anything to the White House, there'll be more of them.
[1:13:51] Oh, God, if he, if he were your secretary of state, rather than theirs, they would have what they've got to everything he says.
[1:13:57] It isn't that we're going to do this.
[1:14:02] Well, that's what I asked, isn't it?
[1:14:03] Stay over here.
[1:14:04] Just draw a second time, sir.
[1:14:08] See, the girl over there is waiting to see if you know her.
[1:14:14] She's got a naive over there, but I sent her to call her.
[1:14:17] I know.
[1:14:17] Well, we have a problem.
[1:14:18] It's the best thing that's going to be due.
[1:14:29] because, now he doesn't want to do it, but he'll do it.
[1:14:34] I think Grohm is so anxious to see me that I suspect the British ones might be in condition too.
[1:14:40] He said, I don't think it's generally the case, but he told me, hey, but there are some who are anxious to see me.
[1:14:47] What we do have now about saying that he could come only if we agreed to a meeting on September 10th, starting on November 30th, so that... Are we, at the W, are we tying in the branch, or are we done with that?
[1:15:00] That's done.
[1:15:02] That wasn't doing harm to have that any of the other two or not at all.
[1:15:06] But the question we have to...
[1:15:07] I was thinking that we are not going to be by mail by this time.
[1:15:12] There's a lot to be... You know, we have two choices.
[1:15:15] We can either say
[1:15:16] Nor have you.
[1:15:18] And if you want to play that game, you won't see them.
[1:15:22] On the other hand, and I, I regret the date that, that Konkidu did it, but I think it's good to put him out there.
[1:15:28] On the other hand, the meeting of Ken was supposed to take place on the 22nd.
[1:15:32] Conley canceled it and didn't set a new date.
[1:15:35] We're not an angel.
[1:15:40] He's already met with Schultz many times.
[1:15:51] They've got shelter systems very positive, so they're working along.
[1:15:55] But my point is that they're being told, what about Conway with regard to the group of 10?
[1:15:59] You can tell them about them and what they're doing.
[1:16:03] And what is it?
[1:16:03] They say they want to know that there will have been a meeting with the group of 10 before this meeting.
[1:16:09] When we were saying he's got to be done, he's got to be done on December 4th.
[1:16:14] And if he has to be done without 7...
[1:16:17] guidance on the monetary situation and then he doesn't want to leave with you unless he knows exactly what will be ahead of him.
[1:16:34] I think we can get away with indicating guidelines.
[1:16:42] In fact, we should use the thing to tell him that anyone wants money.
[1:16:48] but I don't think we need to have a settlement.
[1:16:51] The right way might be to do the settlement.
[1:16:55] It's less dramatic, but the right way would be to do what Droma suggested.
[1:17:01] To let Droma and Conley work out what is achievable.
[1:17:06] You know, what we want.
[1:17:08] And let Droma run around and visit it as a European proposal.
[1:17:11] Then we'll bargain it out a little bit more.
[1:17:15] And we can show we've done more.
[1:17:17] If we make a proposal
[1:17:19] What I would like for you to do is talk to Cronin and see what he has to offer.
[1:17:22] And I go to Conrad today.
[1:17:23] I've got to go because of the state situation.
[1:17:28] I'd like for you to go to Conrad today and say, now here's the proposition.
[1:17:32] And I'm trying to pressure him to make a proposition so that we don't exactly open the door.
[1:17:38] Because he's going to be there.
[1:17:41] I'm going to have him.
[1:17:42] He's going to be there.
[1:17:46] This is not going to be a Rogers deal.
[1:17:49] They don't want to talk to Rogers.
[1:17:50] He's going to go off and tell them, talk to Rogers anyway.
[1:17:54] If our situation weren't what it is, actually Rogers wouldn't be there.
[1:17:58] I don't say this out of competitiveness, but Rogers would definitely be in Europe at the NATO meeting.
[1:18:04] But there's no way of doing that.
[1:18:05] I think the heads of government would probably prefer to talk to you alone.
[1:18:12] Plus,
[1:18:14] because he had set the business in good.
[1:18:16] Well, if you have Rodgers there, you'll actually hope that he's insulting on our trips and all that stuff.
[1:18:23] It's not good.
[1:18:23] It would make an issue of what we could consider.
[1:18:27] Well, I think that when you handled Rodgers, we were on the same track.
[1:18:31] We got told just straight out.
[1:18:33] You didn't give him any idea.
[1:18:35] You thought it was a brawl.
[1:18:36] You just said, if he got totally sick, we can't contact him.
[1:18:40] That's the way it was.
[1:18:41] They all did the same.
[1:18:43] Uh, Mr. Swann, we...
[1:18:45] They're cranking up.
[1:18:46] You decided they would pay it away, but we don't think they could.
[1:18:51] So, this is the truth.
[1:18:54] Well, I think these guys, uh, this is not a sign of strength, Mr. President.
[1:18:59] They, uh... Well, they are apparently getting ready for, according to the, of course, the president and all the other things.
[1:19:04] They'll make their own proposal.
[1:19:05] They're going to make their own proposal and so forth.
[1:19:07] But they are, uh, they're running, they're running the Pete game.
[1:19:12] Right.
[1:19:13] See, my view is that I have a very strong feeling that you've got to get also the other one, you said, at least before it might be the 745.
[1:19:21] I have got to have that bombing thing ready.
[1:19:24] I mean, it is ready.
[1:19:26] I think we ought to do that.
[1:19:27] I would not do it now before the announcement.
[1:19:31] We always have an excuse for not doing it long enough.
[1:19:36] You mean you do it after the plane?
[1:19:38] I wouldn't do it within both because the Vietnamese education and teaching is just good enough.
[1:19:44] I would do it within days of the announcement.
[1:19:46] Then it's time.
[1:19:51] All right.
[1:19:52] All right.
[1:19:52] That's what we're doing today, Mr. President.
[1:19:54] We're opening today in Saturday.
[1:19:57] Before those instructions were to say, I have nothing more to add, I'm waiting for your construction.
[1:20:01] Because after that, I think you said, before those instructions were to say, I have nothing more to add, I'm waiting for your construction.
[1:20:09] And I propose that you don't leave next week to give your chance to the instructions.
[1:20:15] All right.
[1:20:16] Good.
[1:20:17] So, beyond what he did...
[1:20:19] I wanted to talk to Porter and expand, so he just sent me down.
[1:20:22] No, no, no, no, no.
[1:20:23] I talked to him personally.
[1:20:26] He said he also, in New York, I got sucked into that time.
[1:20:31] I know.
[1:20:32] It's all right.
[1:20:33] Well, they had a very... That's the time group that had just been in Asia.
[1:20:37] No, that's the leadership, the president, the management, the chairman, the board of directors, etc.
[1:20:43] You know what this is?
[1:20:44] America, exactly.
[1:20:46] I don't object to it, if we get anything out of it, but my point is that we did that for their advertising.
[1:20:58] Don't worry about it.
[1:21:11] I don't object to everything.
[1:21:12] I understand.
[1:21:13] I just want you to know that that's why I'm fine, doesn't it?
[1:21:17] Well, don't do that again.
[1:21:19] You've been a good man to hear.
[1:21:21] In time.
[1:21:23] Do you see how to develop that?
[1:21:28] It's a really delicious article by the Water Program.
[1:21:34] It's the best thing.
[1:21:36] But it's true.
[1:21:37] How everybody would have gone up the wall.
[1:21:40] It would have driven them.
[1:21:41] I couldn't care less.
[1:21:42] We've got on the timing thing.
[1:21:45] We've got a thing from Eddie Donovan who wants to do a live series on what they're going to do.
[1:22:04] a continued publication over a year, a series on the bicentennial anniversary.
[1:22:10] And he wants to interview with you to do the lead-off of the series.
[1:22:15] Well, are they all of us at Irishman?
[1:22:18] I'm not going to do it.
[1:22:22] I'm not going to do it.
[1:22:30] He wants me to write an article for it, I'll do that, but I'm not going to give him an interview.
[1:22:34] No interview.
[1:22:35] Is that what he wants?
[1:22:39] An interview about the bison hunting?
[1:22:41] An interview for a lead-off on a special bison series.
[1:22:44] He points out that if he calls it gratitude, your willingness to be there anchored in on a 60-series on a national purpose.
[1:22:53] He's sure as damn well with it.
[1:23:00] I would rather be, I would offer to write a piece and just say you're not doing the interviews, you can't make an exception.
[1:23:11] I would say it, I would put it this way, I would like, incidentally, that's what I did do in 1960, I wrote a piece.
[1:23:16] I did not do an interview with him.
[1:23:18] Matter of fact, Shepley wrote the piece and it was damn good, on a national purpose.
[1:23:22] and say that I'll be glad to, and that I'll give him a byline article that I would get, and because I'm not going to do that, I would like to cooperate with him and say that I'd like for him to raise the questions that their editors would like to have me address myself to, and I will address myself to those questions.
[1:23:42] But I think that an article, a thoughtful article, which I personally will,
[1:23:49] Right.
[1:23:49] I welcome that, but I've already crossed the bridge, but I've had a stack of interviews where I've had requests a mile high, and I just can't break hold of them.
[1:23:58] I think that's a good idea.
[1:24:03] Now what should we do about it?
[1:24:05] There was a London interview with the man of the year.
[1:24:07] Well, I don't know about that.
[1:24:14] You haven't had one?
[1:24:15] No.
[1:24:16] Well, what is the situation there?
[1:24:17] They told Grunewald that...
[1:24:20] I told Grunewald that I couldn't help him, that he threw down a letter to the president.
[1:24:25] Quite a lot.
[1:24:26] Did Donovan raise it?
[1:24:27] Yes.
[1:24:27] No, not Donovan raised it.
[1:24:28] He said he wanted strongly to support Grunewald's progress.
[1:24:34] He did what?
[1:24:36] Threw down an interview with you concurrently with the article that makes you mad at the ear.
[1:24:44] Well, those two say that it's locked because they, that's the decision is simply in their two hands.
[1:24:51] Well, if they, now I assume, let's assume they are, is that they should, they are going to do it.
[1:24:55] Should we give them an interview or not?
[1:24:56] That's the next question.
[1:25:04] Because these folks came in with a request to send us money.
[1:25:07] No, no, I told them to do it.
[1:25:08] They haven't done it yet.
[1:25:10] I don't think they're ever going to do it.
[1:25:12] I have met with him yesterday.
[1:25:15] I said, I cannot retransmit your request.
[1:25:17] I've informed the President about it in a general way, but it wouldn't be appropriate for you if I got into this business.
[1:25:26] So why don't you write a letter, and you'll get it out.
[1:25:31] And I thought that was better than it had to be.
[1:25:34] Much the best.
[1:25:34] You should not be in all that.
[1:25:36] Anyway, we have to stay in all that.
[1:25:39] We can use it as a trap and say, well, we're going to do it, but then we change our mind.
[1:25:46] Some girl's playing the English Channel.
[1:25:51] We decided we should do it then.
[1:25:52] But they say, well, it has to be.
[1:25:54] That's why it has to be a script and a letter.
[1:25:56] And in fact, I say I'm not going to screw around with the president of a thing like that in my life.
[1:26:00] But I'm not going to do it over the bus.
[1:26:01] We had a time cover week, you know, that they were working on.
[1:26:06] Oh, yeah, I remember that.
[1:26:07] I remember that, but it never got to cover.
[1:26:09] When was that?
[1:26:10] The time cover on Citroën, they never got to cover.
[1:26:12] When was that?
[1:26:14] When was the one that... 20 years ago.
[1:26:15] They said...
[1:26:17] But we gave them some cooperation, and nothing happened.
[1:26:21] I mean, they're a few-sided interview.
[1:26:24] Along this one, let me say, it's cold turkey.
[1:26:27] It isn't going to be a split pay or anything like that.
[1:26:31] It's just, it's cold legal.
[1:26:33] I think it's worth a lot to us, Snera and W. Lane, to get, for you to be getting that in here, this year.
[1:26:43] I agree.
[1:26:44] in January because I've never had it before.
[1:26:47] I've never had it before.
[1:26:48] Plus, as president, it's important that you get it in your first year as president.
[1:26:52] And because it's almost inevitable that you'll get it again next year.
[1:26:55] That's pretty good cycling there.
[1:27:01] But the problem is they've got a pretty good excuse to get out from this year on the basis that you and Everly are going to get it next year and that they don't want to stay up for two years in a row.
[1:27:13] But they said it.
[1:27:13] In fact, I said, buddy, get up and get the interview.
[1:27:18] It's about to finish on the other end of the road.
[1:27:26] You think it's worth something?
[1:27:35] Yeah.
[1:27:38] Why?
[1:27:39] Because it's kind of like winning the Nobel Prize.
[1:27:42] No.
[1:27:43] It's kind of like winning the number one team, Rose Bowl game, or the number one team.
[1:27:50] There's a lot of interest in it, but it was way beyond the time.
[1:27:53] They build it to a certain point, and they build it up.
[1:27:55] They do a good job of it.
[1:27:57] They print all those silly letters that don't mean a goddamn thing about it beforehand, so that people start Googling the man in the year of the year and all this kind of stuff.
[1:28:09] And a lot of these damn liberals and intellectuals, even though they'll continue to be opposed, you have to be a little more cautious.
[1:28:16] When time visits a more or less dead-side world, when it's popular in that world, it helps in an area that I think is more important.
[1:28:24] It helps abroad.
[1:28:24] So when everybody reaches time abroad, it'll help with Iraq, it'll help with the Chinese, it'll help with the Europeans.
[1:28:32] A time cover doesn't make any difference one way or the other.
[1:28:34] The time then and the year thing is a totally different thing than the cover.
[1:28:44] When you come down to the world, you look at it this year, how they could come up with anybody else.
[1:28:51] Let's forget you saying I hate my guts, but for Christ's sake, it's the China issue.
[1:28:55] The Russian summit.
[1:28:57] the Berlin settlement in the field of foreign policy.
[1:29:01] And the economic policy at home.
[1:29:03] Now, they may disagree with all those things.
[1:29:06] But you sure as hell have.
[1:29:08] They have to.
[1:29:08] And then beyond that, going through the agony of Laos, facing down the demonstrators in May.
[1:29:14] Except, see, they've got this certain little fuchsious reasoning.
[1:29:18] They can get them, or they can get off them.
[1:29:19] If they had decided they wanted to, they could get off them.
[1:29:22] For instance, they could make the 18-year-old the man of the year, because this will be
[1:29:27] That's what I think they do.
[1:29:29] They can go to something like that and fix that up.
[1:29:34] Or they could, you know, some sort of woman.
[1:29:37] They could make the American woman the man of the year because women's hood came into its own this year.
[1:29:41] The women's freedom movement or something like that.
[1:29:47] Well, that's my point.
[1:29:48] Well, I don't mind doing an interview with it.
[1:30:11] Well, if that's the case, they have a few sidetracks in the enthusiasm.
[1:30:16] It might take a little bit longer.
[1:30:18] They don't have sidetracks.
[1:30:21] I don't know.
[1:30:21] I must say, I don't know what I'm supposed to say about it.
[1:30:26] Donovan, who served in the... How early?
[1:30:29] Yesterday.
[1:30:31] Right.
[1:30:31] How early?
[1:30:31] The businessman had sent me in, enthusiastic.
[1:30:34] It was supposed to end at 2.20.
[1:30:35] It ended at 2.30, and I had to break it up.
[1:30:39] That's what I just began to say.
[1:30:41] Oh, I see.
[1:30:41] That those people, that too turned into a... What did you get with that?
[1:30:47] The same thing you did with Vietnam and China.
[1:30:51] And China?
[1:30:53] How you planned it.
[1:30:55] But I did say I was to start with the 67 articles.
[1:30:59] Go through 69.
[1:30:59] That's right.
[1:31:00] Good luck with that.
[1:31:04] How you planned it.
[1:31:07] Yeah.
[1:31:08] Yeah.
[1:31:11] Then I said, can you really believe that the man who did all of this was careful in blowing one after another in Vietnam?
[1:31:18] Does it make any sense to you?
[1:31:20] I said, it goes on in our public media.
[1:31:23] I said, and I took off time to not mention it.
[1:31:25] I said, now, there's only one issue.
[1:31:28] All this nonsense about that line.
[1:31:29] There's one issue here, which is,
[1:31:31] do we ally ourselves with our enemies against the people who is reliant on us for gun arms and their defense.
[1:31:39] That's the only issue with Vietnam.
[1:31:43] And when I sent it in in 1992, I got a trip back just so late.
[1:31:46] I said, lie to yourself.
[1:31:48] And I said, there's only one issue.
[1:31:50] I said, that lie, that's all nonsense.
[1:31:54] The only issue is to re-ally ourselves with our enemies.
[1:31:58] to defeat the people who were reliant on us to run the city center.
[1:32:03] And I said, I don't believe there's one person in this room in Cincinnati, I said, who would that make us do this?
[1:32:10] And they all got up and started cheering.
[1:32:15] But Cincinnati was really emotional.
[1:32:17] That's quite a one-shot thing.
[1:32:19] You see, Ohio, Illinois are your central groups.
[1:32:22] In New York, I didn't put it that way.
[1:32:24] That's a different group.
[1:32:26] But it was also a lovely, the one area where they all say you have some trouble with international economics.
[1:32:31] And a little bit of international economics.
[1:32:33] Oh, you mean the domestic economy?
[1:32:37] Yes.
[1:32:38] Oh, sure.
[1:32:41] In Ohio, the people said you're a bonus probably to your great-grandson if you are in any trouble at all.
[1:33:09] But I can assure you that we have the overrides of the Libyan nationalists.
[1:33:13] In Cincinnati, I took the line on international economics and what I'll be doing for the U.S. And the justice, we are asking them to make a proposal.
[1:33:23] We are asking them to do their own responsibility.
[1:33:25] We have turned everything down.
[1:33:28] But there, they'd rather like a tough line towards Europe.
[1:33:31] So in New York, it's a natural thing to do.
[1:33:36] But on the whole, even his New York group, the Jastrow, they had a powerful group.
[1:33:41] Oh, I know the kind of people that the Blue Ribbon group had.
[1:33:46] The Blue Ribbon group, and they had Miss Patsy.
[1:33:50] Her and Tim.
[1:33:51] Who?
[1:33:51] Miss Patsy from the Band of Good News.
[1:33:55] Oh, her and Tim.
[1:33:57] Good.
[1:33:57] Dr. Alexander Her.
[1:33:59] But you know how he was crying around here?
[1:34:01] Yeah.
[1:34:01] He got up and asked the question, saying to the leadership of the president, congratulate us on our pathology.
[1:34:08] It was a long time since we met with those professors.
[1:34:13] And when Hedwig Donovan introduced me, he said, he'd been accused of having been in the news about the administration of the United States.
[1:34:25] It's an interesting thing that we get time to come around a little bit when we go to New York Times and other things.
[1:34:42] They, I think, are going to come around some day.
[1:34:47] What do you think?
[1:34:52] except that deep down, Henry's a liberal, he's dying, he's not a president, but we live in this.
[1:34:58] The liberals want to destroy him, don't question him.
[1:35:01] Or elect him.
[1:35:01] I didn't know I'd say this.
[1:35:04] Because that was a mere fact that you are doing all the things that they claimed Kennedy was doing.
[1:35:10] That if foreign policy was taken, it's tremendously difficult and falls in the domestic too bad, because that's what they could have done.
[1:35:22] I've seen the brilliance in that, Mr. President.
[1:35:27] But I thought I would give him a bit of...
[1:35:28] I thought I'd review what happened in the meeting and I'd let the people play it out.
[1:35:37] I say, look Mr.
[1:35:38] Ambassador, there's only one thing that can jeopardize our relations at this point.
[1:35:43] And that is Vietnam.
[1:35:46] The president is determined.
[1:35:48] He's got his mind set.
[1:35:49] He's fixed in concrete.
[1:35:51] And one way or another, he's going to end it.
[1:35:52] I put it that way, one way or the other.
[1:35:54] And he's given our best offer.
[1:35:55] And now they have done it.
[1:35:56] That's another thing.
[1:35:57] And I'm sure Tito's gotten back to them already.
[1:36:00] And they have heard that I said we have made our last offer.
[1:36:03] If they don't take it, then we are going to get it.
[1:36:05] It isn't going to be Cambodia.
[1:36:07] It isn't going to be Laos.
[1:36:07] It's going to be North Vietnam.
[1:36:09] And we're prepared.
[1:36:10] You can say the president has a plan, and he's going to carry it out.
[1:36:14] You can say, Mr.
[1:36:15] Ambassador, frankly, I'm not sure I would say I'm sure I would make it here in the evening.
[1:36:20] It's very rash.
[1:36:22] But you know, you've got to recognize that this is not a man to be trifled with.
[1:36:27] He's a reasonable man.
[1:36:28] He'll go the extra mile if it's reasonable.
[1:36:31] But you must not trifle with him.
[1:36:33] Absolutely.
[1:36:34] Why don't you put it that way?
[1:36:36] I thought I'd put it this exactly that way.
[1:36:40] I've got David Kennedy waiting about this night over there.
[1:36:43] Good.
[1:36:43] He's going hard.
[1:36:44] But I really was quite encouraged because we could get these people steamed up.
[1:36:47] And they are the powerhouses in Cincinnati.
[1:36:51] Great.
[1:36:52] That's great.
[1:36:52] Well, we're going to have to... ...gave a reception afterwards, and they wouldn't leave until 2 in the morning.
[1:36:56] They kept bringing... 2 in the morning?
[1:36:58] Well, they kept bringing a bunch of... a fellow called Gantt, who was a doctor again...
[1:37:03] Yes.
[1:37:03] ...brought over a bunch of clergymen and said, they've got to hear what you've said over here, and tell these clergymen what you've told us.
[1:37:11] Isn't that great?
[1:37:12] Well, this kind of meeting is more important...
[1:37:20] Yeah, that's good.
[1:37:21] I'll let you know when I get anything, sir.
[1:37:24] Yeah, I'll let me know.