{"conversationCode":"297-038","tapeNumber":297,"conversationNumber":38,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-297-038","startDateTime":"1971-11-12T19:20:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-12T19:25:00.000Z","startDate":"12-Nov-1971","startTime":"2:20 PM","endDate":"12-Nov-1971","endTime":"2:25 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On November 12, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 2:20 pm to 2:25 pm. 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Kissinger.\n\n       Vietnam\n            -The President's forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement\n                 -Possible press questions\n                       -Residual force\n                              -South Vietnamese military capability\n                              -Prisoners of war [POWs]\n                                    -Wives\n                                    -North Vietnamese\n            -Negotiations with North Vietnam\n                 -Ronald L. Ziegler\n                       -Briefing\n                 -Xuan Thuy\n                       -Paris\n                 -Le Duc Tho\n                 -Nguyen Van Thieu\n                       -Possible resignation\n                              -Election\n                                    -US offer\n                 -The President's conversation with Josip Broz Tito\n            -Bombing of North Vietnam\n\n                  -Weather\n                  -Robert C. Seamans, Jr.\n                  -Possible targets\n                        -Vinh\n                               -“Protective reaction”\n             -The President's forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement\n                  -Timing\n                  -Kissinger's note and conversation with William P. Rogers\n                  -Melvin R. Laird\n                        -Credibility\n                  -Gerald R. Ford and Leslie C. Arends\n                        -The President's handling\n                  -Credit\n                  -Possible press questions\n                  -Negotiations in Paris\n             -Handling\n                  -Compared with other wars\n                        -Abraham Lincoln, Franklin D. Roosevelt and [Thomas] Woodrow\n                               Wilson\n                        -Public reaction\n             -The President's forthcoming troop withdrawal announcement\n                  -Kissinger's forthcoming call to Ronald W. Reagan\n\n       The President's schedule\n            -National Security Council [NSC]\n                  -Agenda\n                         -Anti-ballistic missiles [ABMs]\n                         -Kissinger, Gerard C. Smith and Rogers\n\nKissinger left at 2:25 pm.","filename":["297-038-splice.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:00:58","tapeEnd":"02:09:20","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"297-037","nextCode":"297-039","tapeTranscriptFile":"297a.mp3,297b.mp3","transcript":[{"start":7276.98,"end":7277.88,"text":"Diolch yn fawr."},{"start":7277.9,"end":7283.93,"text":"Roeddwn i'n meddwl am hyn drwy'r adroddiad cyhoeddus, ond byddwn i'n cadw'r rhaglenni arall o'r gallu i'w ddefnyddio."},{"start":7283.95,"end":7284.83,"text":"Mae'n ddigon ddigon."},{"start":7284.89,"end":7289.33,"text":"Gallwch bob amser ddod allan wrth ddweud eu bod nhw'n gallu."},{"start":7289.41,"end":7297.36,"text":"Ond os ydych chi'n tynnu'ch hunain i'r prifysgol, byddwch chi'n mynd i'ch gwneud eich hun yn brifysgol."},{"start":7297.38,"end":7306.16,"text":"Ac yn ogystal â hynny, maen nhw'n mynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd."},{"start":7306.69,"end":7331.55,"text":"Mae hynny'n mynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd"},{"start":7403.55,"end":7410.2,"text":"Rwy'n meddwl am hyn drwy'r Gwasanaeth Cyhoeddus, ond byddwn i'n cadw'r gwybodaeth arall hwnnw o'r gallu i'w ddefnyddio."},{"start":7410.24,"end":7415.86,"text":"Mae'n ddigon fawr, gallwch bob amser ddod allan wrth ddweud eu bod nhw'n gallu."},{"start":7415.96,"end":7432.71,"text":"Ond os ydych chi'n tynnu'ch hunain i'r prifysgol, byddwch chi'n mynd i'ch gwneud eich hun yn brifysgol, ac yn ogystal â hynny, maen nhw'n mynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd i fynd."},{"start":7433.22,"end":7441.6,"text":"Mae hynny'n gweithio'n dda."},{"start":7441.66,"end":7444.86,"text":"Mae'n gweithio'n dda."},{"start":7445.26,"end":7455.87,"text":"Mae hynny'n gweithio'n dda."},{"start":7455.93,"end":7458.73,"text":"Mae hynny'n gweithio'n dda."},{"start":7459.93,"end":7463.27,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni fod yn hollbwysig am hynny."},{"start":7463.31,"end":7466.63,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni fod yn hollbwysig am hynny."},{"start":7486.68,"end":7492.77,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni roi'r cwestiwn i chi mewn i'r cyfres."},{"start":7492.85,"end":7502.77,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni roi'r cwestiwn i chi mewn i'r cyfres."},{"start":7504.57,"end":7512.58,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni roi'r cwestiwn i chi mewn i'r cyfres."},{"start":7513.56,"end":7514.3,"text":"Maen nhw'n gwybod hynny."},{"start":7514.34,"end":7516.86,"text":"Maen nhw'n gwybod hynny, ond maen nhw'n gwybod nad ydych chi'n gwybod hynny."},{"start":7517.36,"end":7520.09,"text":"Maen nhw'n gwybod nad ydych chi'n gwybod hynny."},{"start":7520.13,"end":7522.37,"text":"Maen nhw'n gwybod nad ydych chi'n gwybod hynny."},{"start":7522.47,"end":7528.05,"text":"Maen nhw'n gwybod nad ydych chi'n gwybod hynny."},{"start":7528.11,"end":7533.22,"text":"Maen nhw'n gwybod nad ydych chi'n gwybod hynny."},{"start":7544.93,"end":7560.44,"text":"Rwy'n meddwl y byddwn ni'n gallu gwneud hynny, beth byddem yn ei wneud, wrth gwrs,"},{"start":7573.71,"end":7577.55,"text":"Rwy'n meddwl y byddwn i'n cael ychwanegol am ddwy diwrnod yn barod."},{"start":7577.59,"end":7579.05,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i mi alw'r reacsiwn ymlaen."},{"start":7579.07,"end":7580.13,"text":"Dyna'r hyn rydyn ni'n ei wneud."},{"start":7580.15,"end":7583.77,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni alw'r reacsiwn ymlaen."},{"start":7583.85,"end":7585.49,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni alw'r reacsiwn ymlaen."},{"start":7585.69,"end":7591.21,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni alw'r reacsiwn ymlaen."},{"start":7591.23,"end":7592.55,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni alw'r reacsiwn ymlaen."},{"start":7592.59,"end":7595.39,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni alw'r reacsiwn ymlaen."},{"start":7595.45,"end":7597.57,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni alw'r reacsiwn ymlaen."},{"start":7597.65,"end":7598.95,"text":"Mae'n rhaid i ni alw'r reacsiwn ymlaen."},{"start":7598.97,"end":7599.73,"text":"Mae'n rhaid"},{"start":7601.18,"end":7602.8,"text":"Dwi ddim yn gwneud hynny."},{"start":7602.9,"end":7604.42,"text":"Dwi'n gwneud hynny."},{"start":7604.6,"end":7606.77,"text":"Dwi'n gwneud hynny."},{"start":7631.81,"end":7638.68,"text":"Dwi wedi gwneud hynny am ddwy mis."},{"start":7640.12,"end":7641.64,"text":"Roedd hynny'n dweud hynny."},{"start":7641.86,"end":7643.82,"text":"Roedd hynny'n dweud hynny."},{"start":7645.28,"end":7652.11,"text":"Roedd hynny'n dweud hynny."},{"start":7657.43,"end":7660.47,"text":"A dywedodd, wel, mae'r cyfrifoldeb hyn yn effeithiol i bawb."},{"start":7660.55,"end":7661.63,"text":"Mae'r cyfrifoldeb yn bresennol."},{"start":7661.95,"end":7664.55,"text":"Mae'r cyfrifoldeb yn bresennol."},{"start":7664.79,"end":7666.23,"text":"Mae'r cyfrifoldeb yn bresennol."},{"start":7666.25,"end":7667.75,"text":"Mae'r cyfrifoldeb yn bresennol."},{"start":7667.95,"end":7668.97,"text":"Mae'r cyfrifoldeb yn bresennol."},{"start":7669.03,"end":7670.45,"text":"Mae'r cyfrifoldeb yn bresennol."},{"start":7670.47,"end":7671.85,"text":"Mae'r cyfrifoldeb yn bresennol."},{"start":7671.91,"end":7674.45,"text":"Mae'r cyfrifoldeb yn 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