{"conversationCode":"298-022","tapeNumber":298,"conversationNumber":22,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-298-022","startDateTime":"1971-11-11T20:32:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-11-11T20:33:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Nov-1971","startTime":"3:32 PM","endDate":"11-Nov-1971","endTime":"3:33 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan);","description":"On November 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building from 3:32 pm to 3:33 pm. The Old Executive Office Building taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 298-022 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"EOB","recordingDevice":"Old Executive Office Building","latitudeEstimated":38.897567,"longitudeEstimated":-77.039147,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 298-22\n\nDate: November 11, 1971\nTime: 3:32 pm - 3:33 pm\nLocation: Executive Office Building\n\nThe President talked with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon.\n\n[See Conversation No. 14-44]","filename":["298-022.mp3"],"tapeStart":"02:24:11","tapeEnd":"02:25:20","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)"],"prevCode":"298-021","nextCode":"298-023","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":2.91,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":3.48,"end":4.68,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":4.7,"end":14.61,"text":"I want to know who the memorandum is from that you've gotten, is it saying?"},{"start":14.63,"end":15.01,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":15.03,"end":22.8,"text":"Yeah, I know who, the ones that are going to say that you've appointed them or the names, who's it written from, I'm only going to know."},{"start":22.82,"end":23.48,"text":"I'm just trying to write it down."},{"start":23.5,"end":24,"text":"I'd love to recommend it."},{"start":24.58,"end":39.73,"text":"Well, we might be able to send him, but we can't send money."},{"start":39.75,"end":41.88,"text":"We can't send, we can't send money with his wife and with his two kids."},{"start":41.9,"end":44,"text":"Well, maybe that, maybe that's all right."},{"start":44.02,"end":45.46,"text":"I mean, he's not gonna be at the union."},{"start":45.48,"end":46.36,"text":"I mean, I think he could, yeah."},{"start":46.38,"end":47.41,"text":"I mean, he's never gotten anything yet."},{"start":47.43,"end":48.31,"text":"It's not a bad idea."},{"start":48.33,"end":48.67,"text":"We'll see."},{"start":49.36,"end":51.7,"text":"Might be a good way to pay him off."},{"start":51.78,"end":54.11,"text":"But I just want to, I'll just get at the thing right away."},{"start":54.81,"end":62.9,"text":"If you, if you would, send that to Holland, if you would, please."},{"start":62.92,"end":63.7,"text":"Then Holland can get on it right away."},{"start":63.72,"end":66.49,"text":"Because he's the one that's in charge of the finances."},{"start":66.51,"end":68.29,"text":"All right, Bob, thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and First Lady Pat Nixon briefly discussed the logistics of a political appointment or personnel recommendation involving an unidentified individual and their family. The President specifically addressed the prohibition of direct financial support in this context, suggesting alternative arrangements to provide assistance. He ultimately directed that the matter be forwarded to Harry Hurd (identified as Holland) to handle the necessary administrative and financial considerations.","topics":["Pat Nixon","Personnel appointments","Administrative logistics","Political patronage"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T13:59:05.496Z"},"topicSlugs":["pat-nixon","personnel-appointments","administrative-logistics","political-patronage"],"audioDurationSec":68,"audioFiles":[{"file":"298-022.mp3","bytes":2735350,"durationSec":68.24,"bitrate":320652,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:38.956Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/298-022.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/298-022","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/298/conversation-298-022","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}